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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're wondering

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Speaker 1: if Simone Augustus is still holding out her hands for

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Speaker 1: our show notes. It's Tuesday, February fourth. Then on today's

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Speaker 1: show will be chatting with Boys and Sports Steph Strack

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Speaker 1: the bill they're reintroducing in Congress this week, what it

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Speaker 1: Softball goes national, the start of a new franchise player era,

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Speaker 1: up right after this Welcome back slices. Here's what you

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Speaker 1: need to know today to the WNBA, the ownership group

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Speaker 1: of the Philadelphia seventy six ers of the MNBA has

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Speaker 1: We've heard a lot of rumblings of a potential Philly

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Speaker 1: that's not all folks. The Athletic also reported that the

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Speaker 1: owner of the Houston Rockets has submitted a bid. It's

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Speaker 1: shaping up to be a competitive contest for the league's

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Speaker 1: sixteenth team, with Nashville, Detroit, Charlotte, Austin, and Denver also

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Speaker 1: Area this year and Toronto and Portland in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: To soccer and the continued fallout following Spain's twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: Cup winner Jenny Hermoso testified, saying that she did not

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Speaker 1: tainted one of the happiest days of my life end quote.

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Speaker 1: The judges also indicated that former Spain women's coach and

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Speaker 1: current Morocco coach Jorge Wilda, along with other Federation officials,

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Speaker 1: to last through February nineteenth. Will keep you updated as

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Speaker 1: it progresses to softball. USA Softball announced on Monday that

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Speaker 1: Patty Gasso has been named head coach of the national

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Speaker 1: quadrennal that, of course, includes the twenty twenty eight Los

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Speaker 1: become the first female head coach of the US Olympic team.

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Speaker 1: Gaso has been head coach of the University of Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: team for thirty seasons, winning eight national titles. She'll continue

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Speaker 1: Also worth remembering, Oklahoma's Devin Park, which is the host

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Speaker 1: the site of the twenty twenty eight Olympic Tournament. In

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Speaker 1: athletes in limited news, AU Pro Hoops Season four starts

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Speaker 1: tomorrow after season three in Dallas, Texas. This year's four

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Speaker 1: new way to tune in on opening night, five bars

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Speaker 1: across the country are hosting Watchpark for fans. Participating bars

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Speaker 1: timeline for this one. We were curious, with so many

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Speaker 1: It's Steph Strack and joining her. She's a track and

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Speaker 1: Maggie Munson. Hey, Maggie, Hi, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: having me. Maggie, what's the six hundred meters We didn't

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Speaker 2: Oh well, that's an indoor only event for the big ten.

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Speaker 1: to Wisconsin. Maggie. University of Wisconsin recently celebrated fifty years

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Speaker 1: There's a proposal for a two hundred and eighty five

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. So we used to practice in an indoor track.

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Speaker 2: We lose out on a lot of those hometown supporters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your facility was already demolished. So where are you

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Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, So we do. We were practicing at University

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Speaker 1: Not at all. And I'm looking at the planned new

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Speaker 1: above a football field. It's what you'd get at a

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Speaker 1: they're stacking things on top of each other. That's not

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Speaker 1: good stuff. This is like so infuriating. So Steph, beyond this,

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Speaker 1: what data you have to back up your argument that

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin might be in violation in other ways of Title nine?

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, this is not just a local issue at the

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Speaker 2: You know, that's one thing that a lot of alumni

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm your head coach. Ed Nuttycombe, which is a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to demand better. My collegiate team, it felt like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one thing that I've learned a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that. You talked about how hard

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Speaker 1: All right, anybody can join if you're nearby or closer

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