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Speaker 2: This is Roman Harper, and this is the NFL Player

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Speaker 2: Second Acts Podcast, And what's up man?

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Speaker 2: I'm just not used to you just using my normal

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Speaker 2: your tell yeah, yeah, I'm waiting on some kind of joke,

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Speaker 2: do it, I'm like, oh, okay, it was just gonna

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Speaker 3: This is what we do.

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Speaker 2: We bring in some of the best and they're all

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Speaker 2: about the second acts and what they're doing, former players

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Speaker 2: doing amazing things in their lives, pouring into others and

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Speaker 2: tell us you our guesses today.

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Speaker 3: An oldie, but a goodie.

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Speaker 4: This guy was in my draft class, drafted in two

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Speaker 4: thousand and three.

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Speaker 2: In the six round. Played seven years in the league

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Speaker 2: as a receiver and a special teamer. Two thousand and

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Speaker 2: five was first team All Pro and he made the

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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl on special team, So that shows how good

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Speaker 2: he was. Won Super Bowl with the Giant super Bowl

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Speaker 2: forty two and this he had probably one of the

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Speaker 2: arguably the biggest plays in that game, and it was

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Speaker 2: one of the NFL's best plays in NFL history.

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Speaker 3: I think playing for New York had a lot to

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Speaker 3: do that too. I'm not just throwing that out there.

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Speaker 1: It might have.

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Speaker 2: He's a husband, he's got seven kids, successful businessman, author,

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Speaker 2: motivational speaker.

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Speaker 1: You can go on and on.

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Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome David Tyree.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Make me feel like somebody today.

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Speaker 4: Jersey in the buildings. Jersey is represent represent.

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Speaker 1: Man good gentlemen. Oh man.

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Speaker 4: He got the Jersey accent. It's all that man, all

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Speaker 4: that energy.

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Speaker 3: He reminds me of my cousin from the East Coast Dog.

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Speaker 3: It's just like they just have a different talk.

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Speaker 4: They got a good vibe with him. I like, I

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Speaker 4: like the vibe that you guy.

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Speaker 3: It's all good.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, it's gonna be sitting down with y'all. Man,

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Speaker 1: get to chop it up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So we're just gonna get right into this thing.

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Speaker 4: It's been a while.

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Speaker 2: Two let's let's get right into it. Let's talk about

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Speaker 2: that catch man, Like what was running through your mind?

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Speaker 2: You know, Eli, He comes out, rolls out the pocket,

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Speaker 2: looking the voice, the sack comes up and just chunks

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Speaker 4: And who does he see?

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Speaker 1: He sees you?

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Speaker 3: He didn't really see him though he saw he saw you?

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Speaker 1: You really see it was me? Nah? No, you know

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Speaker 1: it's it's bad, right, Yeah, it's it's really bad. It

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Speaker 1: takes you back to like the you know, little little

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Speaker 1: little park whatever when you just playing kill a man

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Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, however, your little childhood ball. That's

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Speaker 1: what it comes down to, is just making so for me,

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Speaker 1: those opportunities come far and few, you know, Like I

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Speaker 1: was one of these receivers where I knew I had

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Speaker 1: more to offer than just special teams, but also knew

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Speaker 1: my role and I relished my role. So having the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to be in position to make the play that

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Speaker 1: was definitely like a defining moment of validation for somebody

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Speaker 1: like me. Yeah. I was never been like It's like,

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Speaker 1: for me, it was just it was it was a

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Speaker 4: I'm assuming you won a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: You had this amazing game, great catch over, you could say,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, obviously, you know I had the two years.

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Speaker 1: It was like I never really even told the full stories,

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, I'm sitting down, I you know, go

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Speaker 1: pick up moltion. I'm already back in the gym. I'm

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Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't an on field injury. It was

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Speaker 1: of the wear and tear and decline, and that kind

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Speaker 1: could have even imagined I was. I wasn't on the

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Speaker 1: radar going into the draft. I didn't go to a

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Speaker 1: I didn't go to an All Star game. I was

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Speaker 1: not on the radar. So to be drafted or just

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Speaker 1: to have the opportunity with something where all I wanted

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Speaker 1: was an opportunity. But to have five years in Giants

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Speaker 1: All Pro, I couldn't have a real complaint. So you know, there,

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Speaker 1: it's nothing that you look forward to when you talk

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Speaker 1: about the decline and all these things that out your control.

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Speaker 1: But in relation to what was accomplished in that body

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Speaker 1: of work five to seven years, I was super proud.

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Speaker 3: Now I was listening to you podcast with your wife,

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Speaker 3: say your name again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't written down and I still yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: very nervous to like try to thank you, thank you, Lila,

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Speaker 2: check it up. Okay, I'm glad you understand so and

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Speaker 2: so I appreciate that shout out to Leila and so

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Speaker 2: you were talking about one time the helmet catcher was

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Speaker 2: you termed it as a promise from God, and you

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Speaker 2: talked about it that moment.

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Speaker 3: Your faith was probably more valuable than.

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Speaker 2: Your your ability at that time on the field, at

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Speaker 2: least in other people's term. But you continue to stick

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Speaker 2: through it and now come in full circle with that

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Speaker 2: moment and then writing the book more than just to

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Speaker 2: catch and asking Rodney Harrison, the guy that was connected

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Speaker 2: the play and you made the play no matter what

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Speaker 2: his opinion is on it, to ask him to write

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Speaker 2: the forward for you in that book. How did that

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Speaker 2: come about? How did that conversation kind of go? Because

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Speaker 2: it was shortly afterwards. I mean I heard Rodney Harrison

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Speaker 3: Very much hurt.

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Speaker 2: I heard really mad and emotional about this whole thing,

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Speaker 2: and he was like, not, Bro, that was really luck.

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Speaker 3: It was like there was no skill involved. You were

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Speaker 3: just a couple of inches from not even making the play.

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Speaker 3: We wouldn't know who you are.

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Speaker 1: Sha was serious.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think I'm trying to trying to let the

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Speaker 4: people know the shame was real.

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Speaker 1: He was not in a real place, yes, And so

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Speaker 1: it wasn't from me. I didn't have a relationship with Rodney.

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Speaker 1: It was actually, you know, the woman who helped me

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Speaker 1: co write the book had a relationship with I believe

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Speaker 1: one of his spiritual connections. Oh nice Rodney Christian and like,

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Speaker 1: listen this it gets like even in the and when

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Speaker 1: you go into the faith realm and sports and people's

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Speaker 1: idea around it gets all money. And I never said

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Speaker 1: that God, you know, had ordained the giants to win.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that God involves himself in the affairs

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Speaker 1: of men. I believe he has his way and his

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Speaker 1: will in the world, you know, but not in this perfect.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 1: And I think it could be misconstrued. It's after the

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Speaker 1: fact now, so I think we can say after the fact,

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Speaker 1: we can say that, but before the fact, and I

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Speaker 1: think maybe there was some misconstrued. But he's a competitor.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the most serioust competitor at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, I like, stepping away from it, I

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Speaker 1: can understand where he was at but Luck. You know

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Speaker 1: what it's all about, how you perceive Luck. You know

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Speaker 1: for me that there was words the night before, there

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Speaker 1: was words at the beginning of season. You know. Prophetic

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Speaker 1: however you want to call him that, where God God

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Speaker 1: sees your desire as a special teams player. The platform

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Speaker 1: you have right now isn't big enough. He's gonna make

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Speaker 1: your name greatest wide receiver. Somebody shares that with me

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Speaker 1: in in September. Yeah, I'm I'm actually injured. I got

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Speaker 1: a fractures, Kate fod. I don't know how that's gonna

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Speaker 1: you think about those moments, Luck, it's like, dang, you're

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get You're gonna get a yellow jacket. Get

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Speaker 1: But that was all good?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So would you go ahead?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I totally completely understand the competitive side of any

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Speaker 1: side of it, Junior say all on that team. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: So I totally get it. And like I said, I'm

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Speaker 2: Would also say too to add on to and not

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Speaker 2: just piggyback. But you know, Roddy was coming. I believe

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Speaker 2: when I listened to what he said, that he was

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Speaker 2: coming from this place where you know, what did doesn't

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Speaker 2: for you guys with the times more than I am

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Speaker 2: for the guys of faith than the patriots are today.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, well, actually, I don't know if that's true.

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Speaker 2: And so that's where I think the words and everything

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Speaker 2: got misru YouTube. Man is this but how long after

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Speaker 2: is this the podcast? This interview was this like right

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Speaker 2: after it was just like just like the book came out.

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Speaker 1: The next year, ye know, like she reached out.

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Speaker 4: So it's still pretty it's still pretty frust raw. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he was still hurt.

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Speaker 3: He just wasn't he was.

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Speaker 1: He was.

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Speaker 2: He said that he actually said that his wife sent

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Speaker 2: him to a dungeon which she called the dungeons, for

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Speaker 2: like two months because he just was not a good person.

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Speaker 2: So as a matter of fact, you go back over

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Speaker 2: there until you're ready to come out with a better attitude.

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Speaker 2: The question I'd like to ask Ridney now though, is

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Speaker 2: how do you feel now about that play, Like if if,

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Speaker 2: if his mind would change, in my honest opinion, just

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Speaker 2: being a competitor, he probably still gonna say it was love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he probably know, And I get you know what,

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Speaker 1: I don't even disagree anymore. I used to kind of

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Speaker 1: like I know that it's shade in some way because

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Speaker 1: you could say it in a way where there's respect,

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Speaker 1: because like there's tons of plays that you might not

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Speaker 1: If you understand your need for forgiveness, then you understand

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00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 1: the need to extend it. So first, that's the first thing.

440
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: And I think from there it's just we're really really

441
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 1: transparent and the open lines of communication, whether it's feelings

442
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 1: or needs or desires. And I think it's just creating

443
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 1: a space where that can exist, right, and that that

444
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 1: exists at different levels. But you wanted to exist in

445
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 1: a healthy marriage. So but we always don't want a

446
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,719
Speaker 1: core ex you know. Like I said, we've just been

447
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: we've been down since day one. Yeah, and that's that's

448
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 1: that's the truth.

449
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: Because you said the guidelines early, yeah, where you going

450
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 2: right here? And then in between those lines, it's communicating.

451
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 2: That's it, all right, this make it happen, all right?

452
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 4: So no way out? Y'all got y'all got seven kids?

453
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 1: Right? I got four?

454
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: That is alsome. That's also another way out.

455
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, tied out here in the streets. Is that on purpose?

456
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: You have seven?

457
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 4: On purpose?

458
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: You know what it was? Yeah? I guess, so I

459
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 1: guess not getting to the doctor fast.

460
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 3: I was like, it's ways around.

461
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 4: I got I got four and Imber used to look

462
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 4: at me like like man, you got four kids.

463
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 3: I thought you were created.

464
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 4: I was crazy. I got four kids.

465
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 3: Okay, we got your boy dog, Yeah, we got your boy.

466
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: Your time when.

467
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 3: Baby with out of diapers. You know what I'm saying.

468
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 3: Cats is lit in the streets, absolutely out here.

469
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Speaker 1: To get completely understand.

470
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 3: I stopped at four listen.

471
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: It was you know what, it was messing around. You know.

472
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: The funny thing is it was messing around with Sean Sewan.

473
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: Alexander was one of the players that I love, Sean

474
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: probably click with like you know, it's I tell you,

475
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: it's weird now that as you mature, it's weird being

476
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: the holy dude in the locker room, right when I say, like,

477
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: and I think I was always sincere, but it's there's

478
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: a weird phase of being a devoted, devoted believer, right,

479
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: there's like, well, I'm not at the strip club with

480
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: the homies. I want to I want to kick it.

481
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 1: I want to change change. That is a real it's

482
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: a very normal thing. But it's also like when you

483
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 1: because there's Christians and then there's like really really really

484
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: devoted Christians. Right, It's like and even without the judgment clause,

485
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: you just trying to find your lane and in that environment,

486
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: it's a weird transition. So yeah, just kind of getting

487
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: back on task. It's really like, man, though, showing Alexander

488
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: was one of the people that I really connected with

489
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: where we were just easily speaking the same language. And

490
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,239
Speaker 1: I think it was and I kind of blame him

491
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: for having seven kids. Man, it was a lot too.

492
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: You got he kept going. I'm like, I think his

493
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: wife says something that inspired my wife. I was like,

494
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: so we were just going back in, let's go then,

495
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: you know, so, and then I got the six and

496
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: we got tired. I was like, well, maybe we should

497
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: reconsider you know, there's just open you know, open season situation.

498
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: But God got one more and it's been beautiful. Four fours,

499
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: three girls, twenty one down to ten, and we still

500
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: grinding in these parental streets.

501
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, we all are. Your youngest is what three three

502
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 4: soul three three.

503
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: He's funny.

504
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 2: He's a funny kid, bro. I mean, he's COVID kids, man,

505
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: COVID baby. He's a pack baby. And then look, when

506
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: you're the youngest of four, you just grow up different.

507
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: We don't have time to really raise you. Listen, you

508
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: gotta just come on all facts.

509
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: You just got to come.

510
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 2: Youngest is a tough one. Yeah, tough listen, the toughest one.

511
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: You know, everything they figured out every listen everything. Yeah,

512
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: used to being around different conversations.

513
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,719
Speaker 1: Listen, man, And that's exactly. But I got My youngest

514
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: is ten, she's the boss baby. It's like she got

515
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Speaker 1: it the easiest. But like, our parenting is pretty swift,

516
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, like we it's not really they can't really

517
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: wiggle in and out. There ain't much leeway. But we

518
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: definitely tired on these discipline streets, you know, like we've

519
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: been We've been disciplined it for a long time.

520
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: You let stuff go.

521
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm good, Like.

522
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 4: So do your older ones be like, yeah, you never did.

523
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 4: You never would have let me do that.

524
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Speaker 1: My boys like it.

525
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: Why you're slipping Yeah yeah.

526
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Speaker 1: My old is twenty one and eighteen, so I got some.

527
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: I got men in the house now. Actually, my oldest

528
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: is in the Air Force, so it's it's bugged out

529
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 1: when they're looking at us like, man, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all,

530
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: y'all slipping up that. But I can say all the time, yeah,

531
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Speaker 1: I think I think you know, they get there there's

532
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: there's some non negotiables when it comes to discipline, if

533
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: you want to call it that, but you know, and

534
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: it's really just care right. I use the word this

535
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: because discipline isn't always thanking and things of that nature.

536
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: Is just giving them the right correction. But it's a

537
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: lot of love too. I think we've we've grown as

538
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: parents to understand the ebbs and flow necessary.

539
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 3: You don't have to be all up on that, you know.

540
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: I think that's really cool.

541
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: And then another thing I think is really cool is

542
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: that you and your wife also are in some business

543
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: ventures together, so handling that part of it as well.

544
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: You have the clean catch or healthy catch.

545
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 2: There's a juice juice part that you guys are invested

546
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: in that you do and also catch the Moment podcast.

547
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: And one that I was listening to you earlier about

548
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 3: and kind of reference. So maybe how do you guys

549
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 3: navigate that as well? The marriage, Like the businesses.

550
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: I think I love the fact that you're both all in,

551
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: like we ain't going nowhere, Like we we really ain't

552
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: going nowhere.

553
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: We all we got we tired, We've we've done life together.

554
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: I think my my truest passion I invested a lot

555
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: of time into my spiritual growth throughout my player. So

556
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: my my transition was it was solid because I was

557
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: firm in my identity. We talked about these second act experience.

558
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: Everybody has this this bridge of what am I, Who

559
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: am I, and what am I good at? I think

560
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: that what am I good at part was challenging, but

561
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: I was firm and who I was, So you know,

562
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: I found my way back into player, player development, player engagement,

563
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: and I was there up until twenty twenty. Now it's

564
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: just I guess it's just it was just time to

565
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: kind of stand on my own once that once that

566
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: that phase and that season of service was done, and

567
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: I felt like the helmet catche our life, our experience,

568
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: my my my aptitude for you know, just for the transition,

569
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 1: leadership development space was enough to stand on its own

570
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: at this place. So yeah, it started, you know, with

571
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: the with the with the juice concept because you know,

572
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: I think we want to eat healthy one provide opportunities

573
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: for our family as well as our community. And so

574
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: we're still in it with that. But you talk brick

575
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: and mortars out here, it takes you. So retail will

576
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: take your soul Okay, I was in there, cool present,

577
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: juice is down boy in the middle of the code,

578
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm like this, this ain't right. I was just in

579
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: the front office, right, this ain't right. Nah. I mean like,

580
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: but you do that, it returns you to your roots. Yeah,

581
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 1: you do what you have to do so you can

582
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: do what you want to do. You know, freedom is earned.

583
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's not give great like that. You know,

584
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: it's and I think that's where we're at. You know,

585
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: nothing's been given. I've had I've had some great successes

586
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 1: and wins and victories, but the perception, right is far

587
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: our way to what reality presents. And I think we've

588
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: done things the hard way. We've made hard decisions. Fifteen

589
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: years of homeschooling. You know, there's a lot easier ways

590
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: to do some of the things, but we did what

591
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: we felt was much better.

592
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: So we've always asked this question to a lot of

593
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: our our guests on the show. You know name so

594
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore named four individuals that have played a pivotal

595
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: role in your life.

596
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: Now, just individuals just in my own life.

597
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, in your your own life.

598
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: I mean my Mount mush Mount Rushmore. I'm gonna go

599
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: you know, My mother was the foundation in relation to

600
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, just even sports. We shared. We shared the

601
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: love of sports. My father actually ended up becoming my hero.

602
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: Was your mom into sports?

603
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah she was. She She wasn't an ass I didn't

604
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: know her, but she was a sports mom.

605
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

606
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: So it was really cool. Like we would watch play

607
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, you know MLB playoffs, We watched Wimbledon. We

608
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: we like, we're watching sports together. You know. My father

609
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: ended up really like he was all. I grew up

610
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: in a divorce home, so he was he was always present,

611
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: but he just wasn't in the home and he became

612
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: my hero. And even more so this was a year

613
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: excuse me, actually when we kind of came into the business.

614
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: My dad still works for our business. He still loves

615
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: to be active and working and uh and just growing

616
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: to know my father as a man. He really became

617
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: my hero. Like I started to see more of the similarity.

618
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: So mom and dad up there. Will Hicks was my

619
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: stript coach and he was you know, I was There's

620
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: nothing sexy about my wide receiver profile. I was just

621
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: a competitor at the end of the day, Like what

622
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: positioned me for opportunities was my ability to to to

623
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, my intellect for the game, and that allowed

624
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: me to play faster and process, you know, process the

625
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: game well. But he was the first person that really

626
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: was an advocate for me at the college level. So

627
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: I have to put him on there. And I can't

628
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: leave my wife out. You know, she's she's she's just

629
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: like that. I mean like it's a it's a one.

630
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: We are literally one. So I know most people, hopefully

631
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: most people, in their healthy marriages, you start getting the

632
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: compliments like y'all lookingike, y'all taught, y'all saying the same

633
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: things at the same time, and it's that's when marriage

634
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: really becomes beautiful, when people start to see the rewards

635
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: of what it can be. And I feel like I've

636
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: continued to experience that with her. So just off the

637
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: top crazy thought, those those are the people in my

638
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: life that have really secured.

639
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's beautiful. Yeah, I appreciate you coming out

640
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: with that's all I give.

641
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: I give a I give My boy on the bench

642
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: is Brian. That's your very He's discipled me for twelve years,

643
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: so I had I had to pull him up into

644
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: the rotation. Just by virtue.

645
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 4: We got put that's the first one we got there,

646
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 4: I pull them off the bench.

647
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: I like that.

648
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: But hey, man, that's that's that's that's a wrap. I

649
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: appreciate you coming out, coming on the show. Appreciate it man,

650
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: giving your story, getting it out there.

651
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: We're here for it.

652
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: Man, you're you're one of the legends. Man, you'll always

653
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: be remembered for. I guess the top play in super

654
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: Bowl history. No, not super Bowl history, just it's one

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Speaker 2: of the greatest plays in the history of the NFL,

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Speaker 2: like the history of the game one hundred plus years.

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Speaker 4: Like, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just starting to get used to talking about

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Speaker 1: talk with say talk your ish, You've earned it. It's

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Speaker 1: fun and I've always it's great to be in the

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Speaker 1: conversation period, right, but it is fun to listen to

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Speaker 1: some of the arguments from the side. I'm like, no, man,

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Speaker 1: I got too many I got too many factors in

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Speaker 1: this moment for it not to be the best super

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Speaker 1: Bowl history, hands down. But I do believe it's it's

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Speaker 1: so many factors, undefeated, undefeated Patriots, who the characters are involved,

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Speaker 1: what was it was just so many amazing factors to

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Speaker 1: play itself. Eli makes a play. I make a play.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, man, like you know, we we got to

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Speaker 1: close up the arguments. No, no, it's all good. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you all having American sports.

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Speaker 3: We love an underdog.

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Speaker 4: I love it, love it.

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Speaker 3: I'm Peanut, that's Roman, that's David, and that was my phone.

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Speaker 4: That's the NFL Play second XT podcast, and we out