WEBVTT - Play Chess Not Checkers “White Lives Matter Trademark” 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.240 What's up. Family, it's your girl to mek A D. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.959 Mallory and it's your boy my son in general. And 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:15.640 we are your hosts of street politicians, the place where politics. 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.759 You got your your your your Boycott Black Murder gear. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.280 I see that you went and got you some nice 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:29.080 things embroidery kings which is in the Brosper anybody wants. Yeah, 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:33.159 if anybody you know where we get um. 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And you 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.080 have many and I love many of them, but this 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:18.399 is really powerful, the Boycott Black Murder m video and song. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:23.280 And in the video, your nephew Chris, my little homie, 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:28.720 he plays um a character of an individual who is 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.919 you know, he's out in the street, he shoots many people. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.400 Um and at the end of the video we find 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.160 out that uh, he was shooting himself, or at least 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.320 the depiction is every time he shoots someone, he was 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.840 shooting himself. The video is powerful. By now everybody should 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.280 have downloaded it, uh and had the opportunity to check 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.640 it out to support Until Freedom because it is an 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.480 Until Freedom campaign. We're super proud of what you have 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.800 accomplished with this material, but what it is doing this 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.520 opening up a conversation, and so immediately following the screening 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.200 that we did of the video, we had a conversation 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:11.800 that included the moderator, Landell McMillan, who is the owner 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:13.720 of the Source magazine, but he was the lawyer for 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:18.360 Prince Um. He's been in the culture, you know, Landell 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.600 has been a culture creator for years and years and years. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.720 I mean, I don't know, I'm not gonna age him, 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.560 but I know he's older than us. And Laondel is 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.640 well known as an entertainment attorney and one who again 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.520 has been like at the cutting edge of many cultural 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.400 things for you know, as long as I can remember. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.480 And then on the panel also was a T. Mitchell 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.680 a man up in Brooklyn. Our brother who is the 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:54.639 New York City Czar for Violence UM Intervention. Yeah, Violence 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:59.679 Intervention and Prevention UM. He is the mayor has a 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.080 point into him with that role, and he's been doing 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:06.040 an incredible job of bringing people together around this issue 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:10.799 of violence, intervention and prevention. Then also on the panel 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.679 was Congressman Jamal Bowman, who's from the Bronx UH. He's 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.079 an a former educator. He's a congress person who is 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.840 a squad member. So he's one of those that's in 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:26.680 Congress fighting for us, fighting for our issues, and you know, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.800 and speaking truth to power. Congressman bowing is strong. I 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.959 see the trajectory of where he's going. The only thing 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:38.280 that's gonna getting in Bowman's way is the scary negroes 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.360 in Congress who would try to block him because he's 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.680 too too powerful, too strong, he's too black, and he 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.040 knows the issues too well. And he calls out white 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.040 supremacy all the time, and you know, black people are 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:53.600 scared to save white supremacy. Some about people um or 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:57.040 you know, to talk about to talk about white supremacy. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.440 Then on the panel also was the Great kep Rick 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:05.640 Kers who is the Chief Wellness Officer at Life Camp UM, 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.880 which is life Camp is one of the premiers UH 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.920 violence intervention and prevention organizations in the nation. She was 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:17.160 joined on the panel also um UM. She was joined 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.080 on the panel also with Bud Erica Ford or with 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.039 Erika Ford, who is the head of Life Camp, the 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.120 founder UH And so you guys had a real powerful 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:33.160 conversation about the It was a very solution based conversation UM. 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.240 And I just you know, I think that what and 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.279 now we have people calling saying can we do it 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.120 in other cities? So that's what this video, the powerful 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:46.600 video as well as the conversation has created. Yeah, it was. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.560 It was a beautiful turn off. I want to think 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.560 everybody who came. We we did it like really last minute, 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.880 and we had limited space, so we invited, you know, 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.960 a close knit group or people who are doing this work. 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.120 I loved ones of people who we know we'll be 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.039 able to take the message and utilize it in their 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.800 own areas and places to be able to make sure 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.520 that the video gets a little traction. But it was. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.240 It was an excellent conversation that you know. I was 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:17.039 blessed by the response from the video. Shoutout to Mark 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:21.440 Garcia on point blank who shot the video? Mark? You 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:26.480 you always beating up on Mark, like job when he's 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.479 when he's serious, he's focused, man, he's when he's a 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.159 dope director and you know, and he loves what he does. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.599 So I want to shout out him for the video. 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.719 And also, like you said, my nephew Chris. But the 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.600 conversation that followed the video was compelling to me, just 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.039 hearing everybody talk um, just knowing that we all have 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.200 something special that we bring, you know, and understanding that 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.839 violence is a culture, right, It's become a culture inside 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.360 our society, and we have the ability to shift the culture, right, 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.960 And that conversation was co you're shifting, like, shout out 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.560 to Keepra man. Everybody kept coming to be like, yo, 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:10.080 who's kemper? Like Kebyra has she has an ability two. 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:12.920 You know. It's just certain people that when you listen 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.839 to them, they shift. They just shift the way that 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.200 you think, Yeah, she's skilled in a way that she 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:24.200 talks and it resonates and and and it disarms you, right, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.320 I can't. Like I was listening to her and I'm like, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.920 we need a keeper in every community. Right, because if 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.680 Kepra is outside, I can't see people want to be 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.280 with each other and she's having a conversation, you know. 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.640 So when she's a healer, she's like she and that 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:46.600 is not that is not it's not a tern right, 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:48.800 that's not like, oh, she's a healer. You know, I 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.000 could be a healer. You could be healing. No, that's 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.080 a god given anointing to be a healer where your 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.560 voice can actually number one. I won't show you. Yeah, 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:00.120 we have had it on our show, and you know, 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.760 she also did several weeks of um Fridays on my 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:09.240 um uh Instagram as well, So yeah we have, but 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.880 it's it's been a while. But she's so great in 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:18.160 terms of her understanding of not just the mental um 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.680 uh like what Like she said, mental health is one thing, 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.080 but that makes you narrow in on schizophrenia, anxiety or 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.120 this or that one issue. But when you think about 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.400 spiritual warfare and that that is actually what our communities 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.760 are experiencing. It's a spiritual warfare and it is being 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:42.800 fed by the culture, by entertainment. Infotainment is so much 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.480 coming at us that we're literally at war with ourselves. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.040 And of course with this world and the way in 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.680 which she breaks it down. She has to be a 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:56.440 part of every conversation because and she and others like her, 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.800 Queen of Foul and others, they have to be a 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.960 part of these conversation sations because you can't talk about 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.080 solutions and what we have to do as a people 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:11.440 if you don't deal with the root of our concern 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.320 our issues that most people never even talking. Most people 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:19.120 if you walked up to a person just in you know, 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.840 that rouge Louisiana that's waiting to get them some food 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.520 from the local chicken spot, and you start talking about 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:30.120 spiritual warfare and things we're up against, they might be like, yeah, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.240 I kind of get it, but like rink gotta be paid, 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.440 you know, uh, food needs to be on the table. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.280 Matter of fact, get out the way because I'm trying 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.559 to get this because I gotta run and go pick 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.080 up my kid from school and these things. So you 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.319 have to in these conversations. We have to be able 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:51.520 to slow down enough to hear the content that she's 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.520 putting forward. So I just, you know, I thought the 0:08:54.559 --> 0:09:01.640 whole thing. Erica's um her her masterful way of explaining 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.080 that at the end of the day, we could talk 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.800 about what black folks need to do and what's happening 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.080 in our communities. We have to keep our eye on 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:13.760 the fact that there are there's intentional oppression happening, you know, 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:18.200 and and and Congressman Bowman said, policies are created every 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.320 day to inflict harm on our community. So when people 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.920 walking around, which brings me to the whole midterm elections conversation, 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.559 when people are walking around talking about they don't need 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.439 to vote and just get money, get money, we need 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.320 to be real clear about the danger in that because 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.560 while we are not paying attention to the mid term 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.319 elections and other elections federal, all levels where there are 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:46.439 people being voted into office, what happens is that they 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.840 are making policies that the majority of our people will 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.480 be impacted by. See. My thing is that the whole 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.320 idea of getting to the bag is important. And certainly 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.520 in these conversations that we're having about violence community, you 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:07.719 have to have all the components, the healers, the grassroots organizers, 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:13.760 the elected officials, the the economic development folks, like there's 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.240 so many different the practitioners, if you will, so many 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.000 different areas that have to be covered. But what we 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.839 have to understand is that those these things, it's a 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.160 heart and every all of these things become arteries, they've 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.560 become connections. It is not one. If you cut off 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.920 another supply, the heart will stop. The heart can't live 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.880 just with one particular thing pumping into it. It requires 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.440 all the we've seen it. We know, right, we should 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.040 put it on the screen so people can see there 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:48.920 are there are multiple uh functioning organs in our body 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:52.280 that makes us live, and when one of those organs 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:56.960 goes bad, the body starts to break down. And so 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:02.920 with that being said, we cannot allow other people to 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:07.079 make policy decisions on our behalf and we take our 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:12.160 eye off the ball. We have to ensure that we're 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.520 in the process so that we can at least if 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.640 for nothing else. Yeah, it's true we're not getting enough. 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.880 We're not getting enough, we're not gaining enough. But we 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.200 damn sure need to be blocking folks who want to 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.400 put things in place and policies in place that will 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.880 harm most of our people. When as we work on 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.880 the economic strategies that are important, and we're gonna we're 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:42.360 leading towards that place. Right, We're working on the economic strategies, strategies. 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.760 It's gonna take years and to catch all of our 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.319 people in this nation and get them in the pipeline 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.600 and get them educated and give them the things they need, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:57.080 get them on the farms, get them fed. That takes time. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.320 It takes unity too, and it takes us being able, uh, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.360 you know, to work in a way that we are 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.360 not all the way prepared. But we're getting there. We're 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.199 getting there because people are waking up. But what what 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.319 is happening every day is that Ray Ray, Jojo, Keisha 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:17.440 and Letitia them they live in communities where policy is 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.440 impacting everything they do from moment to moment. And for 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.080 some of us to be so elite in our thinking 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.480 that because we're not living in those spaces that we 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.560 can just turn off the system. That is not a 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.280 good idea. We must make sure that our people go 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:39.320 to the polls because there's propositions, there are questions being asked, 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.440 decisions being made, and we have to be a part 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:47.320 of making those decisions. You're right, man, when we when 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.600 we look at you know, what's going on with our 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:56.200 society and how it's impacting us, you know, which brings 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.920 me to the conversation of Curry. You know, money doesn't 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.360 really have that much of an impact in certain and 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.360 certain arenas. Right, people can take money from you. They 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.959 can they like when we look at Kanye situation when 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.520 woman and being you know, saying you're the richest black 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:18.240 man in America too. Next day realizing that people have 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:22.480 the ability to take those finances from you, right, because 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.360 there's no structure built, you know, that in place that 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.520 makes sure that you're able to thrive, that you're able 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.680 that protects you from that. Right. So there's so many 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.880 multifacets of the way that we have to be intentional 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.720 about what we're doing, you know. And and that conversation 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.680 really fed to that, you know, and we talk about 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.400 our government, like Jamore Woman was saying a lot of 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.800 things about policy, you know, and how it affects our 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.840 communities and and and policy that you know can change 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.080 the dynamics of our community. Erica was talking about specific 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.960 bills that they're trying to pass that can release amounts 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.840 of funds into our community that can impact completely change 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:12.160 and shift, you know, the reality of the community. Because 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.040 I tell people all the time, you can't change the 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.480 conditions of the community until you change the conditions of 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.960 the community. You know, poverty is violence, Poverty is everything 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:26.200 that you know, the structural um damage that's going on 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.520 in our communities. It stems from poverty, but it also 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.160 and and poverty stems from you know, the laws. You know, 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.640 the reason why our community support because there are laws 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.720 that create that have been created to make sure that 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.680 those communities support because, like I said all the time, 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:47.400 capitalism cannot function without high and low. You know, capitalism 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.920 wouldn't be a thing if there wasn't a poor class. 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:54.440 You know, Unfortunately, it's cyclical. I saw Angelo Roi talking 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.320 about it the other day. It's cyclical. We're not voting 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.440 because we're frustrated because we're not getting what we want 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.960 from the system. But in order to get what you 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:05.920 want from the system, you have to vote so that 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.040 you can get inside the system. And you can't get 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.840 inside the system if you stay outside the system and 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.960 it goes around and around, and even to your point 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:19.200 from an economic perspective, you can't. You will experience a 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.560 change in policy that will stop you from being able 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.560 to make money in certain ways if you're not paying 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.440 attention everything you want to do. And I think It's 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.000 actually very naive of some folks to think that other 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.560 communities don't pay attention to policy because the policy represents 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.520 how they live. I see people saying that the Asian 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.200 community they don't care about that, you know, they don't 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.080 vote up. Let me tell you what is it called Chinatown. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:51.080 They are absolutely engaged in policy in their area and 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.160 in that community so that they can make sure that 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:58.040 they have their businesses, their banks, and everything that they 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.960 control in those areas. And it goes all the way 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.520 up the system. So then, in other words, you have 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.480 local folks, but then there're state folks, and then there's 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.160 federal legislation. Ship we always talk about. I get hit 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.560 every day with the Asian Hate Crime Bill. UM. That 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.560 passed because Mitch McConnell's wife is an Asian woman, and 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.000 they were able to push it through through uh Congress 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:28.400 and the Senate quickly with her supporting advocacy and Mitch McConnell, 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.360 who happens to be one of the most powerful white 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.800 men in this country. So of course they got it 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.920 done right, um and and and so if if Asians 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.560 didn't care and they weren't engaged, and how in the 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.000 world did we come up with the Asian Hate Crime 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:45.000 Bill or Asian So I forget the name of it, 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.840 but it's not out of disrespect. I just can't remember 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.640 exactly what it is that happened because the Asian community 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.200 UM had had advocates and there are people lobbying on 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.040 their behalf. So it is what it is, you know. 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.440 And I think at all of this consistently brings us 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:07.840 back to the conversation around Kyrie, the moment that we're in. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.080 I know there are some people who have said, well, Tamika, 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.600 you know you need to say more and do this 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.439 that in the third and be out there fighting this. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.680 And first of all, people have no idea what we've 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.120 been doing, so please don't assume that just because it's 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.640 not on social media that there's not things happening UM. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:31.159 But also we're very strategic and understanding how all of 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:36.800 these things operate. And I know from my perspective experiencing UM, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:42.360 you know, a very traumatic UM moment with the label 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:46.000 of anti Semitism being placed on me and knowing what 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:50.720 it caused, knowing what's happening in the background with those 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:56.000 individuals who are not trying to have reasonable dialogue right 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.520 there are individuals from the Jewish community that are not 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.760 trying to have reasonable dialogue. Their individuals even in our community, 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.560 that do not want to have reasonable dialogue. That is 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:10.800 a challenge that we face, and I experienced the firsthand. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.560 So I know more about this issue than most people think. 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.600 Do I support Kyrie one thousand percent? Do I think 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:23.000 the Kyrie hates any community? No? I do not do 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.679 I think that do. I also understand And that's the 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.159 other thing we are. We lack the ability to have 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.600 nuanced in a nuanced conversation because I see as you've 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.480 been writing, I've been reading some of your comments, and 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.480 I see people saying, oh, he didn't do anything wrong, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.360 he didn't say anything, so he was forced to make 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.920 an apology, And I get that. I get that feeling 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.920 because certainly there were people who were trying to force 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:50.120 me to say certain words. But I know that Kyrie 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.440 did not apologize. Uh. He says in it, there's a 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.760 there's a line in it that lets me know that 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.600 he had consciousness. I don't lead, first of all, that 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:06.280 a man of Kyrie's stature, because on one hand, people 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.800 are saying he's strong and he's powerful, and he won't 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.120 be broken. But then on the other hand, they're saying 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:13.840 that he was forced to put out a statement. You 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.680 gotta do have to choose one or the other. Yeah, 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:18.800 they'll say, well, you can do both. And I don't 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.160 believe that Kyrie is the type of person that if 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.080 he meant something that he stood a hundred percent with it, 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.560 that he was just gonna be forced to make a statement. 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.000 I believe what he said in the statement is true, 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:33.240 that he and I'm paraphrasing, but that he responded out 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.720 of a place of being defensive. And I could tell 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.600 people all about that right when when I saw that line, 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:40.840 because I was breathing it, trying to see what is 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.399 this statement. Is this the statement that they typed up 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:45.919 for you and you had to approve it, or is 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.160 it a statement that actually represents your feeling? And when 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.760 it said I responded out of place of being defensive, 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.680 it occurred to me in that moment that these were 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.720 his words, and the reason why it's not so much 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:03.240 that he did any thing, um that he said anything wrong, 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.720 or that he was intentionally being one thing. And I 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:09.720 get it. People are like when he wasn't trying to 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.080 he was just trying to show a film that talks 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:17.600 about or educates us on the roots of our history, right, 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:22.160 and we get that. However, what I believe he apologized 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:26.440 for and understood after being able to assess it from 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:31.600 a non um defensive position, is that there are things 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.760 in the film that denies the Holocaust and talks about 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.719 Jewish people being evil that I watch it. No, do 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.880 I trust the individuals that have told me exactly what lines. 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.760 I've had people give me specific statements. Did he did 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.439 were those things in the film? Yes? Did he? Was? 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.439 He probably paying attention or was it that deep to 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.560 him at the moment. No, he probably was just like, Okay, 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:56.119 it's it's a bunch of stuff in here that I 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.359 may or may not agree with, but the basis, the 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.000 premise of it is in more and and therefore he's 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.000 shared it. But the problem is, and where I can 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.240 see him saying, hey, I apologize for this is the 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.679 idea that when you have a major platform, When you 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:18.119 have a major platform, unfortunately we are not giving the 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:22.040 ability to just make flippant mistakes or put things out 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.560 there without context and understanding for those people who are 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:29.720 viewing it, and people pick apart every single thing we 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:34.720 do so we have more of a responsibility with our platform. 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.040 And when people come and say, well, Tamika, this thing 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.320 you said, it hurt me or it upset me, I 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.600 can double down and say I don't give a ship 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:47.600 because sometimes I don't. Or I can actually hear what 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.920 it is that you're saying, reflect upon it, and not 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:56.080 have any ego in saying, listen, I apologize. I can 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.960 say that the problem becomes and I know, I'm I'm 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.240 I'm talking a lot, but I haven't really been talking 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.800 about this. The problem becomes when you have people around you. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.280 And let's let's be real clear. Let's be real clear. 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:16.480 In my situation when words, specific words were being enforced 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:20.760 on me to say, it was not just Jewish people 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:23.760 who were doing that, because in fact, as you know, 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.760 we met a number of black Jews, which by the way, 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.520 I didn't even know existed, and many of our conversations 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:36.240 and relationship began to to be built around black Jews 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:40.040 helping me to understand the nuances within the Jewish community 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.840 and them being black and Jewish at the same time, 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.439 and being able to understand our position and things that 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.840 we were feeling. Right, it was not just white Jews, 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:53.520 who some of them also became very good friends of mine. 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:57.479 I have friends that are my Jewish. Rabbi bar Elman 0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.480 is a very good friend of ours. And Sophie, a daughter, 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.159 very good friend of ours. These are people who we 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.679 and we we have deep relationship with at this point. 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:10.280 And it took time and it came through controversy. But 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.600 it was not just Jewish people who were telling me 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:17.040 which words to use. It was not. There were all 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.720 types of people may and and yes, mainly white people, 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:24.960 some black, but mainly white, people of all different backgrounds 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:28.480 were trying to force on me words to say. So 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:32.280 when Kyrie says I apologize and somebody tells you you 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:35.720 have to say I'm sorry, that begins to strip a 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.200 man of his humanity. I'm saying, and you and someone 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:43.160 said to me, Kyrie says, I apologize, you say I'm sorry, 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.520 I say my bad. My brother Marvin being said, I 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:48.880 say my bad. When I want to apologize, I say 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:52.199 my bad. Right, all of us have different ways of 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:55.480 being able to express ourselves, and it is not right. 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:58.439 I don't give a damn what anybody says to force 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:02.159 people to say word words exactly as you wanted to 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:05.080 be because we are not going to let you beat 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:08.240 us into a level of submission. We do want to 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:12.800 acknowledge wrong. He did acknowledge wrong, he apologized for and 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:16.680 he admitted that I was defensive. Therefore I could not see. 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.520 But after deeper reflection, I recognized at that point if 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:26.080