1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to Talk in Politics, the brand new pod within 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: a pod here at Off the Cut, where every week 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: I'll give you my piping hot political takes on the 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: news of the week, the latest scandal, election predicts, or 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: just making sense of the madness. And we won't always 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: do this, but I will bring in some political heavyweights 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: from time to time to give you that little extra, 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: some insights, some interesting perspective, maybe a thirty thousand foot 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: view of things from the inside. So today, for our 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: launch episode, I'm very excited to bring on a seasoned 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: pro most recently, he was our ambassador to Japan. Before that, 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: he was the mayor of Chicago. Before that, he was 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: Barack Obama's chief of staff, and before that he was 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: a congressman. So he's basically done all the things you 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: can do in government, and there are rumors swirling he 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: may run for president in twenty twenty eight, so he's 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: a great guest for our inaugural Talking Politics. Welcome Rom Emmanuel. 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Thank you. 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: Really excited, And I have to say, David Axelrod is 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: the best friend a girl could have. I I love 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: him so much. But here's here's what happened. Rom so, 22 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: just so you know, I text acts, Hey, can you 23 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: connect me with someone in Ram's office. That's it. That's it. 24 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: And then you call and you're like, hey, Axe told 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: me to call you, and like say yes to whatever 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: whatever you're about to ask me to do. I'm like, 27 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed. I wanted him to connect me with 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: like a handler, and you go, don't worry, I'm about 29 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: to pass you off to a hand. 30 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: Don't flatter yourself. 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, don't don't worry I'm handing you off. But incredible. 32 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: I love him so much. He's such a great connector. 33 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: And I'm so glad that you said yes to this because. 34 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: I the inaugural. 35 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: Show, inaugural show, this is your our launch guest, and 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to embarrass you, but I'm a big 37 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: fan this Republican, former Republican, still conservative, basically independent, never Trumper. 38 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm a fan, and I think we need someone like you. 39 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: I I think we need your expertise, your experience. I'm 40 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: not anti establishment, like I like establishment. I like knowledge, experience, expertise, 41 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: you know how government works in all of the ways. 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: I think we need that, and especially now someone's gonna 43 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: have to come in and put our government back together 44 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: again because Trump is dismantling it. And the way you're 45 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: talking about politics right now as a Democrat, I think 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: is so so important and refreshing. So I'm a big fan. 47 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: But you know what I need, rom I need Democrats 48 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: to get their shit together. I need I need Democrats 49 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: to figure it out so that they can be in 50 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: a good position to beat off trump Ism now but 51 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: also beat Republicans in the midterms and then in twenty 52 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: twenty eight. Tell me they're they're in a better position 53 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: than I think they are. 54 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: Some are. 55 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'll give you and I'll just the 56 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 4: conclusion of that. But I didn't want to interrupt you. You 57 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 4: were on a roll, and I'm taking it to make 58 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 4: sure that members of my family get to hear that good. 59 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: I mean it. I mean it. I don't say. 60 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 4: Here's what I would say is anecdotal of why I 61 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 4: believe that Democratic voters are where you would like them 62 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: to land. 63 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: What rule one I have about politics. 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: I used to say this to President Obama, try to 65 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 4: follow it when I was mayor, or said it to 66 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: President Clinton. 67 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: When I was a senior advisor. Sound is not always fearing. 68 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's just sound, and don't in a good pow 69 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: knows how to navigate between sound and fury, and sometimes 70 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 4: it is fury that sometimes just sound. So you have 71 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 4: five six people running in New Jersey governor primary. You 72 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 4: had the mayor of Newer, president of the Teachers Union, 73 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: the mayor of Jersey City, two members of Congress. I 74 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 4: forgot the six to one and over forty nine point 75 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 4: six percent of the vote goes to the two most 76 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 4: moderate conservative members, of which the nominee overwhelming the Mikey 77 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 4: Cheryl wins the primary. And it's an eight hundred plus 78 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 4: thousand turnout. So you had I wouldn't call it thirty 79 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 4: one flavors, but you had thirty one flavors. Yeah, and 80 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 4: you could pick and fifty percent of the vote goes 81 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 4: to the two moderates in Mikey. I mean, people maybe 82 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 4: on this show probably know the listening is she's a 83 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 4: blue dog, the most conservative. 84 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: You can get. 85 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 4: So that's a as a kind of a matrix of winning. 86 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 4: And they obviously the mayor of Newer, if you thought 87 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 4: the base was really progressive and loud progressive should have won. 88 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: Right. 89 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll fast forward over. 90 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 4: To the other side of the the primary. In the 91 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 4: Democratic primary for Jerry Connley's congressional seat and replacement eleven candidates, 92 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 4: the most moderate gets fifty nine percent of the vote 93 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 4: in an eleven person field. Now he happens to be 94 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 4: not a House of Delgate but the supervisor in the 95 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 4: largest county. But that's you know, that's how the ball bounces, 96 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 4: I would say to you. And that's two anecdotes post Trump. 97 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you can use Swazi, you can use Spamberger absolutely, Okay. 98 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 4: Now the other thing is, if you go through the 99 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 4: history of the party, when we lose, not when we 100 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 4: do in, but when we lose very big difference, we 101 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 4: become incredibly pragmatic. 102 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: Now I want to pause on that, come. 103 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 4: Back to that, because the demographics of the party are 104 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 4: not the same as they were when I drew that example. 105 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 4: I mean John Kerry versus Howard Dean all of a sudden, 106 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 4: and iowa of the voters go, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa 107 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 4: pragmatic Joe Biden versus Bernie Sanders South Carolina. 108 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: Whoa pragmatic? 109 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 4: You could argue also of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama 110 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: in their primaries. Now, the demographic makeup the Democratic primary 111 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 4: voter in all those cases is not the same today. 112 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 4: Now you've got this really great group called highly white, 113 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 4: college educated and highly confident in their own judgment, opposed 114 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: to black voters and other pragmatic voters who understand that 115 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 4: we don't have time for kind of esoteric efforts. 116 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: We got to win and we got to be pragmatic. 117 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: So yeah, we're going to test my theory out. 118 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 4: About these very sophisticated college quote unquote liberal progressives and 119 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 4: their pragmatism where they think everybody wants to be like 120 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 4: them and nobody wants to be like them, but they 121 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 4: but they project, so that will be so. 122 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: But my judgment and in the end of the. 123 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: Day is when you look at Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, 124 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 4: Michael Decoccus, Bill Clinton becomes our nominee in nineteen ninety 125 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 4: two seen in the primary, then there's a gap and 126 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 4: then as the most capable, skilled and so ideology, the 127 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 4: ideological metric is pragmatism. 128 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: I understand that that like the reaction to the last guy, 129 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: and the pendulum always swings, and I get that what 130 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: would then the reaction to Harris if we're if not Biden. 131 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: If we're just taking Harris, what would the reaction to 132 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: Harris be in twenty twenty eight? 133 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: My in again, these are you're asking me to rejecked. 134 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 4: My instincts is that the Democratic primary voter wants to 135 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 4: seal the book on twenty twenty four and never put 136 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: it up in the attic and never go there again. 137 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my instincts. One of the things that I 138 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: think is very, very important in where we are today, 139 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: and if we didn't have a choice in twenty twenty four, 140 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight, you're gonna have the basket of Robbins. 141 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: I'm chocolate. Meant if I decided to do this perfect So. 142 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 4: I think, and this is a bet, is it that 143 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 4: there's a whole part of resistance whatever Trump is, we're against. Yeah, 144 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 4: but that in twenty twenty six, if we win the House, 145 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 4: I think the zeitgeist will shift to not fighting Trump, 146 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 4: but to fighting for America. And that's a bet I'm making. 147 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 4: And I think one of the things that Democrats have 148 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 4: to realize in twenty twenty eight that I think they 149 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 4: will in twenty twenty seven, and he is twenty twenty 150 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: eight is a choice election not a referendum election. And 151 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 4: I get all the energy around because what Donald Trump 152 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 4: and my own who is doing here is really dangerous. 153 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 4: That said, and I've articulated, you know that the American 154 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 4: dream is unaffordable, it's inaccessible, It can't be the American dream. 155 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 4: And only my kids, your kids can get access to 156 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: the American people. They want a shot, and what they 157 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 4: got is the shaft here. They can't buy a home, 158 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 4: they can't say for their retirement and their health care 159 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 4: and their kids' education, and it's become you know, basically 160 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 4: the system is raped against your own success, and that 161 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 4: to me is the core. 162 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: Now. 163 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 4: I've also laid out stuff because about education that I 164 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 4: think is very very important, and I think we got 165 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 4: to talk to people. We always say, all you got 166 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 4: to talk to people their lives, I mean, and we 167 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 4: don't we talk to people. We talk to ourselves. We 168 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: don't talk to people where they live their lives. And 169 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 4: I kind of and I can say this first hand 170 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: knowing and stuff as I've talked about. Again, I'm in Japan, 171 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 4: but watching this is we're talking about and getting ourselves 172 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 4: wrapped around and axle about a single pronoun when thirty 173 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: five kids in the class can't tell you what a 174 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 4: pronoun is. We are debating taking Abraham Lincoln's name off 175 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 4: of school, and we don't worry about whether kids know 176 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 4: why Abraham Lincoln's an American giant. We literally are dealing 177 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 4: with bathroom access, and I dealt with that one in 178 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 4: twenty sixteen is a mayor. 179 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 2: But we lost the classroom excellence. 180 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 4: And I think that I do think the public knows 181 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 4: that and knows in the first Democrat that articulates getting 182 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 4: ourselves both middle class economics, middle class values is and 183 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 4: when's the primary navigates that is poised to win in 184 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 4: twenty twenty eight because I think the country's going to 185 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 4: want to put this moment in time. 186 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: Also in a book. 187 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 4: Close it shut, yeah, put it in the attic under 188 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 4: a weight that you can never open up again. 189 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: This is what I need Democrats to sound like the 190 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: things you're saying. Listen, Democrats would have won if they 191 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: talked like this in twenty twenty four instead of telling 192 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: voters they were wrong about how they felt about crime, 193 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: the economy, and immigration. You're wrong, those things are fine. 194 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: Look at our charts and figures and graphs. 195 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: Well, the one thing is like if people having been 196 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 4: through two presidentials, but there's an element of the party 197 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 4: and we're going to you know, I can spend as 198 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 4: much time, if not more energy on the where the 199 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 4: Republican Party and specifically the congressional wing has lost their 200 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 4: I mean they put their manhood in their integrity in. 201 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: A lock box here totally. 202 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: We'll come back to that in a segment. Here look 203 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: at success. 204 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 4: Bill Clinton is now as shorthand as this is sister 205 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 4: soldiers speak because Rockstar is talking about the killing of 206 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 4: a officer in the legitimacy. 207 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: And you know, people forget this. 208 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 4: When Bill Clinton ran for president, the number one issue 209 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 4: in is advertising by plus and welfare as. 210 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: We know it. 211 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 4: Workfare second is a restoring work as a principle and 212 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 4: a value that we identify, which I. 213 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: Find weird for Democrats. 214 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 4: Social Security and Medicare is built on the premise that 215 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 4: you work, we should as Roosevelt builds the party around 216 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: work and now we're like, you get a free this, 217 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 4: you get it free that you don't have to do 218 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 4: anything to get that. Actually, the party's history is honoring 219 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 4: work as a value, not only and a principal. Second, 220 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 4: when Barack Obama runs for president. He deals not only 221 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 4: with pastor right his own pastor's very ugly comments. He 222 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 4: also deems to challenge something that Patrick Mornehan got screamed about, 223 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 4: but parenting in fatherhood. John Kennedy, if you want to 224 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 4: go back that far, goes to Texas to give his 225 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 4: speech that he will be a president who's Catholic, but 226 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 4: not a Catholic president takes direction from the poet. So 227 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 4: everybody had a clear a cultural matrix that underscored their 228 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 4: economic message. 229 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: And I don't understand how in. 230 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 4: Twenty twenty four where did it go? Yeah that well, 231 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 4: I know where to go on the value system. And 232 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 4: there's some people even talking about running now who had 233 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 4: pronouns on their handle and stuff like that. But look, 234 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 4: as a mayor twenty sixteen, dealt with bathroom acxis. 235 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 236 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 4: I never lost focused on graduation rates, reading scores, mass scores, 237 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: which is why Stanford said Chicago public school systems were 238 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 4: the best by ninety eight percent of all public school systems. 239 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: I was ambassador. We had people trans people to work there. Great, 240 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: you're paid by the taxpayers. Do your job. This was 241 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: not a game of identity politics. 242 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 4: It was a game of actually fulfilling our mission as 243 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 4: the embassy for the United States of America, which is 244 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 4: I want to say this with two kids in the 245 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 4: Armed forces, if you're an American, you. 246 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 2: Have won the lottery life. And we need to start saying. 247 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: That and start there is a lot to fix with America, 248 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 4: but this is the lottery of life, and we have 249 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 4: won the winning ticket. And it's an honor to be 250 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 4: an American, and it's honor to serve and improve the country. 251 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 4: And to me, the Party got in a cultural cul 252 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: de sac and never got outside of it, and they 253 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 4: talked to themselves and they didn't realize. You know, part 254 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 4: of campaigns is the other side was saying X, Well 255 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 4: they get a voice, you have to respond to it. 256 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 4: We don't want we think this whole cultural thing is 257 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 4: a loser. 258 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: No, I'm ready to talk about it. I'm ready to. 259 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: Talk about putting more police on the beat and getting kids, 260 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 4: guns and gangs off the street. And I'm going to 261 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 4: tell you this, having visited children at hospitals at home, 262 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: I don't. 263 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: Want to do this. Don't. 264 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 4: Yes, data is coming down, but nobody walks around going 265 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: you know what, I feel twenty two safer this year 266 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 4: than I think. Right, Okay, you don't let your kid, 267 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 4: you don't sit up on the front porch, you're not safe. 268 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: You don't let your kids. 269 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 4: Go after dark to go to a local ice cream 270 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 4: place in the summer, you are not safe. And it's 271 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 4: right logical, and we should embrace taking on that issue 272 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 4: and embrace taking on the fact that we are comfortable 273 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 4: talking about public safety, immigration, all the issues that make 274 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 4: up people's lives and homelessness. 275 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: And it's not that hard. 276 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: It feels hard, and I just watching it field. Well, yeah, 277 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering, like, where's the democrat the democratic agenda, 278 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: Like do Democrats need a new new deal contract with America? 279 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: Like where's the thing that's going to bind progressives and 280 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: moderates all over the country around some common ground so 281 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: that they can run together as a party and not 282 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: against each other. 283 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 4: Well, well, the primary will be I actually think it's 284 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 4: going to be healthy. 285 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: Now, let me do one piece of history and I'll 286 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: come right to that. 287 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 4: My answer to that question, let me interrupt myself, is 288 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 4: it's about the fact that the American dream is unaffordable, 289 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,479 Speaker 4: it's inaccessible. 290 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: As a Democrat, that's unacceptable to me, and it. 291 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 4: Comes to restoring our education as a goal because you 292 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 4: are living a period of time where you earn what 293 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 4: you learn. Now, we did something in Chicago that I'm 294 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 4: very proud of. For a couple of things, and at 295 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 4: least on high school one you get a B average. 296 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 4: Community college is free, but you earn it. 297 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: It was called the Chicago Stars Scholarship. 298 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: Number five. 299 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: Number two. 300 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 4: This is something I think we should talk about nationally 301 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 4: and in Poe and not in Posed, but do kind 302 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 4: of a race to the top. 303 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: To get your high school diploma, you must show a 304 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: letter of acceptance from a college, community college, branch of 305 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: the Armed forces, or vocational school. Every children, not the 306 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: emmanual children alone, will have a post high school plan. 307 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: So when you walk on graduation day, you know where 308 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: you're walking to. 309 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, And we don't have a person to waste 310 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: In the twenty first century, we're about to face off 311 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 4: with China and they're three times our size. We can't 312 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 4: afford somebody to not be as productive and successful as 313 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 4: they need to be in this battle. Number two, I 314 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 4: get to the American nam now here is my analysis. 315 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 4: We lose Carter Bondale to Caucus. We're spending a lot 316 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: of time progressive groups in Alibhat. But Bill clint Win's 317 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 4: nomination in Dale see the Democratic leaves is core to 318 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 4: his intellectual framework, so core. He picks an echo chamber 319 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 4: with al Gore, which had not been done usually you 320 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 4: balanced it was echo chamber about being new Democrats. Now 321 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 4: I'm a fan of Admyer, etc. And I'm as guilty 322 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 4: as everybody else of this President Obama wins the nomination 323 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 4: and wins the election post eight years of Bush. You 324 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 4: look at the coalition that makes it up. And around 325 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 4: that time is the zeitgeist that demographics are destiny and 326 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 4: Democrats just have to stand there and this sucker is 327 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 4: coming right towards us. 328 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: We don't have to do any and we become intellectually flabby. 329 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: We don't think through not. 330 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 4: Just healthcare, which is a great thing, but what's next 331 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 4: and that period, and I do think there's four in 332 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 4: the last first twenty five years of the twenty first century. 333 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 4: There are four peak moments that have defined not only 334 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 4: our economics but our politics. We fall down on the 335 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 4: number one job of politics, which is, as Bill Clinton 336 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 4: used to always say, is the most undervalued thing in 337 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 4: politics is ideas and we become intellectually, we don't have 338 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 4: to do anything to look at the demographics. 339 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: Look at Hispanic voters. 340 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 4: Look at African America voters, look at women, look at 341 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 4: college educate, just got them. Just stand here and their 342 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 4: wave is coming to us. And and I and I 343 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 4: said in the beginning guiltiest charge. I repeated this so stupidity, 344 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 4: and it is. It's stupidity, and we are paying a price. 345 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 4: Now the benefit is I think we've acknowledged that, and 346 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 4: we are now thinking. Now there's a policy. 347 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 2: Group every five minutes opening up. But you know, what 348 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: do you do? We were talking about this earlier. 349 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 4: Why is rama manual getting a mortgage deduction for a 350 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 4: second home when other families can't get. 351 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 2: A first home? The system is screwed. 352 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 4: And I have other words I'd like to use, but 353 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: I don't want you to get knocked off on the 354 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 4: podcast world. 355 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: FCC can come after you. 356 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 4: The whole system, the idea that literally a college education, 357 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 4: The reason people can't buy home they come out of 358 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 4: college is because they're down payment and their mortgage and 359 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 4: their mortgage payment are going to student loans. 360 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: Right, this is insane. 361 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 2: Yet, and that's just college education. 362 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 4: There's a whole host We are literally making that ten 363 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 4: percent of the children of America get access to the 364 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 4: American dream and the other ninety percent look at a 365 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 4: frosted window and try to look in not the American dream. 366 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 2: It's turned into American nightmare. 367 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: And they. 368 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 2: They have every right to be. 369 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 370 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 4: We And as I said in Iowa when I was 371 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 4: there about a month ago, I spent my full adult 372 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 4: life trying to undrig a system that I thought was rigged. 373 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: Well, let me guess you, I'm not doing it anymore. 374 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: I'm for a rig system. 375 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 4: I'm for rigging it for you and against those guys, 376 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 4: which is my whole life. 377 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: You know, whether it was taking on the NRA. 378 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: On the assault weapon ban, first city to sue the 379 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 4: pharmaceutical industry over opiates, taking on the educational biocracy, taking 380 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 4: on the insurance companies that were on the ten million 381 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 4: kids who had no health care, taking out of the 382 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 4: tobacco industry to give free eye in dental care to 383 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 4: the kids of the sneach. 384 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: I'm for a rig system. Just want to know who's 385 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: going to be rigged? 386 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 4: Four And I know it could because the system is 387 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 4: you know that great line paranoid people even have enemies. 388 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: The system is rigged getting You're right, it's not a 389 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. 390 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: This is not You're not gonna wake up. You're getting screwed. 391 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Coming up after the break, stay tuned for my 392 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: exit poll with Ram Emmanuel and after that my hot 393 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: take for the week. So we end every talking politics 394 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: with three questions of varying degrees of seriousness. I'm calling 395 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: this the exit poll. The first question is what's your 396 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: favorite political movie? 397 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: What is my favorite political movie? 398 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 4: Well, my favorite movie is Godfather too, Okay, I can 399 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 4: also claim that could be also my favorite political movie. 400 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: Sure, okay, yep, I'll stick with that. 401 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: I like it. Who's someone on the other side of 402 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: the aisle one you know. 403 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 4: I would say, is the documentary uh made? I think 404 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 4: it's called The Fogle War? 405 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: Oh great? 406 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and that is if you say pure politics. 407 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: Oh it's so good. 408 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Fog of War would be my favorite. 409 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: Okay, that's fantastic. Who's someone on the other side of 410 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: the aisle that you admire? 411 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 2: Mike Gallagher? 412 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: Yep? 413 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 4: And the reason, well, we're friend, we meet, we don't 414 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 4: know each other, we deserve together. We meet and at 415 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 4: a dinner that when I'm ambassador, I'm in town and 416 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 4: I have the head of the Armed services were just 417 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 4: like five of us, six of us. And Mike, as 418 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 4: he told I, getting you know him, and I asked, 419 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 4: he says something about his kids, et cetera. And I said, 420 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 4: let me tell you what we did when I was 421 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 4: a congressman, chief staff and mayor, and how to make 422 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 4: sure kids grow up healthy and that our jobs don't approach. 423 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: And while I never wanted to. 424 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 4: See what happened to Mike and his family, a lot 425 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 4: of these people say, Oh, I'm gonna quit so I 426 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 4: can spend more time with the family listen. But he 427 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 4: actually didn't have to, and he did. And I think 428 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 4: it revealed character that his children, his wife, his family 429 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 4: was more important than a guy who was on the 430 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 4: hockey stick up. 431 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: In his career. 432 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 4: And I say that I admire him because I think 433 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 4: it showed an earnestness of character and judgment that is 434 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 4: outside if you get out of foreign policy. We don't 435 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 4: agree a lot, but I agree with the character of 436 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 4: the human being. And I don't think he gets enough 437 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 4: recognition for you know, a lot of people, Oh, I'm 438 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 4: gonna go. 439 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: Spend more time in a family. Like your family doesn't 440 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: want to spend more time with you, so forget. But 441 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 2: they don't like you that you don't. 442 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 4: Even like yourself, so give me a break in this case. 443 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 4: In this case is the truth. 444 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: And I think and I admire the strength attempt to 445 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: do it as well as a character. 446 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: Finally, last question, how do we save our democracy? 447 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 4: Well, it gets to the first point. If my analysis 448 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 4: is right about the American dream, it's. 449 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: Not a coincidence. 450 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 4: The moment the American dream really starts to become unaffordable 451 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 4: is exactly when our democracy becomes unstable. 452 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: And while I'm for voting rights to act on for 453 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: same day voting and etc. 454 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 4: If people believe in the system, they will believe in 455 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 4: the efficacy as well as the effectiveness. 456 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: Now there is a lot. This is if I get 457 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 2: ever invited back. 458 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 4: I think there are four peak moments that have destroyed, 459 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 4: are not destroyed, have really set back our country, our democracy, 460 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: and our economy. A war built down on set of lies, 461 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 4: where we lost thousands of men of women, promise of 462 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 4: America and spend a trillion dollars on the deserts of Fallujah, 463 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 4: and nobody is held accountable. They're in universities and on boards. 464 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: Three years later, the financial meltdown built on lyyer loans, 465 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 4: People lose their home, the American dream, and those ungrateful 466 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 4: sobs get bailed out. And now we get bailed out. 467 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 4: They think they deserve a bonus. 468 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: Four years after. They're a little longer after that, China goes. 469 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 4: From being a strategic competitor to strategic adversary at their choice, 470 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 4: and we hold on to the mythology that they still 471 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 4: want to be competitors. 472 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: Not adversaries. 473 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 4: And we let Battle Creek battle Beijing on its own, 474 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 4: and we don't invest in America or Americans. And then 475 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 4: fourth and finally, and we continue to do that where 476 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 4: the elite get off and everybody else gets the downdraft. 477 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 4: And then COVID also about eight six years later, and 478 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 4: so maybe a little longer, and all of us kind 479 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 4: of self righteous people have the essential workers expose themselves 480 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 4: while we get to work from home or do whatever. 481 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 2: I think those four peaks, and I could be missing some. 482 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,239 Speaker 4: That's my analysis, but I think if you look at 483 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 4: the last twenty five years, it is twenty twenty five 484 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 4: from the beginning of the twenty first century. That is 485 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 4: the breakdown in both an agreement about the economic system 486 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 4: and its rewards and opportunities, and also the consensus that 487 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 4: we are all held accountable by. 488 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 2: One rule book. And it's not true. Now you have 489 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: a bunch of people that lie to America knowingly. 490 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 4: Lose thousands of men and women built on a lie 491 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 4: on yellow cake from Niger, and not one of them 492 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 4: have ever had the character of decency turn around and say. 493 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, I messed up. 494 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's the trillion dollars that you know, you 495 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 4: might jump. My view on the Iraq War is that 496 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 4: the only one that won between US and the Iraqi 497 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 4: regime was China. They won, and so that to me 498 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 4: are the when you say restore our democracy, yeah, restore 499 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 4: the accessibility of the American dream. 500 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 2: You'll be amazed how confident people are in this country. 501 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: Listen, I could talk to you all day. I really 502 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: appreciate you being here for our first talk about question. 503 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 4: Since I make each of my kids read a book 504 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 4: with me, yeah, I just finished one with Zachariah. We 505 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 4: read eighteen sixty one, Jay Winnick's new book, and I 506 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 4: made Alana read, not made she read nineteen. 507 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: Forty four by Jaywin. What's your favorite political book? 508 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, you got movies kind of like down to 509 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 4: about thirty. 510 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: So what's your favorite book? Which is down to three thousand? 511 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: Mmmm. I don't want to sound like a total loser here. 512 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 2: That's okay. It's just the two of us will edit this. 513 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: Out to pro deserf them Hyak, which one Hiak Road 514 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: deserved them? Huh, I'm a nerd, I'm a loser. 515 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Gary Wills Gettysburg nice. I think that. I think 516 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: that is a great. 517 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: Great I think I need to come into this century 518 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: or even the last one. 519 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: You got to get there, man, And it sounded. 520 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: Like Detokville and Yak, and I need to come into 521 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: the modern era. 522 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: Oh, do it slowly, but you put it's like wind 523 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: share put it on. 524 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 4: Okay, easy, Yeah, go in slowly, don't don't die, don't 525 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 4: dive into the deep end without your water wings. 526 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: Okay. 527 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: From Emmanuel, thank you so much. This was great. I 528 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: appreciate you, Luck, I'm honored. I appreciate you, and I 529 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: appreciate David axel Rod for connecting us. Oh what a 530 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: great conversation. I really really love a lot of what 531 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: rom had to say, and I think if more Democrats 532 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: talked like him, they'd be in a much better position. 533 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: But great, first guest, so thrilled. We're not always going 534 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: to have guests on talking politics. This is going to 535 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: be your destination for my piping hot political takes, but 536 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: we will have guests, and I've got some. I've got 537 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: some coming up that are going to be great. But 538 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: let's get to today's hot take and my mini mono, 539 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: mini monologue. 540 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: Here. 541 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: For this first mini mono, I want to talk about 542 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: a guy named Todd Aiken. If you don't remember Todd, congratulations, 543 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: But he was a congressman from Missouri from twenty one 544 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: to twenty thirteen. He was a Republican, and in twenty 545 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: twelve he ran to unseat Democratic Senator Claire mccaskell. It was, 546 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: as you know, twenty twelve an election year, and Mitt 547 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: Romney was running against Obama, so every other down ballot 548 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: race was really being scrutinized heavily. To Daiken did a 549 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: local interview with k tv I Saint Louis. He'd probably 550 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: done one hundred interviews with local news over the course 551 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: of his campaign, and he probably thought this one was 552 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: going to be like any other It wasn't. He was 553 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: asked about exceptions to abortion in the case of rape, 554 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: and heres how that went. 555 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 3: If an abortion could be considered in a case of say, 556 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: tubal pregnancy or something like that, what about in the 557 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 3: case of. 558 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: Rape, should it be legal or not? 559 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: Well, you know, people always want to try and make 560 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: that as one of those things. So how do you 561 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: slice this particularly tough sort of ethical question. It seems 562 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: to me, first of all, from what I understand from doctors, 563 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 3: that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female 564 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 3: body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. 565 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. 566 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 3: You know, I think there should be some punishment, but 567 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 3: the punishment ought to be in the rapist and not 568 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 3: attacking the child. 569 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I've heard that clip probably one 570 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: hundred times because I covered that election. I just heard 571 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: it again, and like, my stomach is churning, as you 572 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: can imagine, a few things bothered people about that answer. 573 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: For one, the words legitimate rape. What does that mean 574 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: as opposed to an illegitimate rape? Then the female body 575 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: don't say that, but the female body has ways to 576 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: try to shut that whole thing down. What excuse me, 577 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: I beg your finest pardon, sir. If we're legitimately raped, 578 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: our body shuts it down so we can't get pregnant. 579 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: That is news to the female body. That is news 580 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: to us. And finally there should be some punishment. Yeah, 581 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: that didn't sound great to people either. The reaction to 582 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 1: this congressman, most people hadn't previously heard of, it was swift. 583 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: The condemnation was resounding, and importantly it came from his 584 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: fellow Republicans. Mitt Romney, the nominee, urged him to drop out. 585 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: Paul Ryan, his running mate, also called for him to 586 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: step down. Mitch McConnell said his apology was insufficient. Roy 587 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: Blunt and other Missouri Republicans like John Ashcroft, Kit Bond, 588 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: John Danforth, Jim Tallant, they all urged him to drop 589 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: out of this race. The National Republican Senatorial Committee then 590 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: sc withdrew millions of dollars from his race. Conservative groups 591 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,959 Speaker 1: like American Crossroads pulled their advertising from his race. And 592 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: get this, Sean Hammity begged Aiken to drop out, saying, 593 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: sometimes an election is bigger than one person. Now, this 594 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: is all hard to imagine today, Republicans uniting against a 595 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: fellow Republican who'd behave badly and urging him to do 596 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: the right thing, to put country before party and party 597 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: before personal gain. To his credit, either because you wanted 598 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: to or he had to, Todd Aikeen issued a total 599 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: apology and cut an ad asking for forgiveness. Ultimately, it 600 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: wasn't enough. He lost badly, and he became an asterisk 601 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: in history books known for this moment, And some people 602 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: even suggest this moment tanked Romney's presidential bid because it 603 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: was like right before the RNC, like a week before 604 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: the RNC. It was all anyone was talking about. Now, 605 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: we can't imagine all this happening today because it isn't 606 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: happening today. Leaked texts from a young Republican group chap 607 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: in which horrendous comments were made racist, sexist, anti submit a, homophobic, xenophobic, 608 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: you name it. They checked every bigot box there is. 609 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: There was even one just saying I love him. They've 610 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: exposed an unseemly and gross comfort inside the party with 611 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: saying this stuff out loud among friends, where they obviously 612 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: thought what could go wrong? I'm a good company here 613 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: dropping the N word, the homophobic f slur saying I 614 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: love Hitler. This would all be well received. That is 615 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: such a tell that enough people on this chat thought 616 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: they were in good enough company saying things most people 617 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: wouldn't even think that. Most bigots wouldn't even whisper, let 618 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: alone share in a group text. But this isn't a 619 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: toaddagn situation. Very little backlash from inside the tent. Where 620 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: are the party elders to tell these guys, grown men 621 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: and women, by the way, not kids, that they acted 622 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: like fools and assholes, and to assure the nation that 623 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: they don't represent the GOP future or present look some have. 624 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: To their credit, Republican Governor of Vermont Phil Scott said 625 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: the head of his states why our chapter should resign. 626 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: New York Republican congress people Mike Waller and Elis Staphonick 627 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: also condemned the rhetoric. Again to their credit, Well, what 628 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: about GOP leadership speaker Mike Johnson was asked if he 629 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: was worried about extremist pro Hitler sentiment among the party's 630 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: young Republicans. He said no, He said yeah, he condemned 631 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: the rhetoric, but also dismissed it, saying he didn't know 632 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: who any of these people are. Does that matter? There's 633 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: been nothing from the president, a guy who keeps posting 634 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: videos of House Minority Leader Hakim Jeffries in a sombrero. 635 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: Spokespeople have insisted Trump doesn't know these guys, even though 636 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: there's a picture of him with two of them from 637 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: a rally last year. It's not surprising. Trump spent weeks 638 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: refusing to disavow KKK leader David Duke. In twenty sixteen, 639 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: he called neo Nazis some very fine people. He welcomes 640 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: white nationalists and insurrectionists into the party. He has lunch 641 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: with neo Nazi Nick Fuentes and anti semi Kanye West. 642 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: Trump hasn't weigh in, no surprise, but Vice President Jade 643 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: Vance has and it's disgusting. He says. The reality is 644 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: that kids do stupid things, especially young boys. Again, these 645 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: are thirty year olds, they're not young. They're not boys. 646 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: He said. They tell edgy, offensive jokes like that's what 647 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: kids do. And I don't really want to grow up 648 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: in a country where a kid telling a stupid joke 649 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: is caused to ruin their lives and at some point, 650 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: we're all going to have to say enough of this BS. 651 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: We're not going to allow the worst moment in a 652 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: twenty one year old group chat to ruin a kid's 653 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: life for the rest of time. That's just not okay. 654 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: So having these men, not kids, face consequences for their actions, 655 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: that's not okay. For the vice president, instead of saying 656 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: the e the easy obvious thing, which is that they 657 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: are assholes and they said inexcusable things that make Rehoblicans 658 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: look horrible and of course should lose their jobs in 659 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: the party, Vance goes out of his way to defend them. 660 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: That's how corrupted the party is. That's how diseased MAGA 661 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: is that the vice president feels comfortable defending this garbage, 662 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: which is easily rebuked. These aren't pople running for office. 663 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: You're not in danger of losing seats. Just say the thing. 664 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: They're losers, they're bigots, they shouldn't have positions in the party. 665 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: But no, Vance's knee jerk reaction is I need to 666 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: somehow defend this. Todd Akin is probably in a deer 667 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: blind somewhere in Missouri, shaking his head, wishing he lived 668 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: in this Republican timeline. I did all that groveling only 669 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,439 Speaker 1: to lose my election, lose my job, get totally excommunicated 670 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: from the party, and become a punchline and cautionary tale. 671 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: If he'd said what you said today, would anyone have 672 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: even batted? And I I doubt it. 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