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Speaker 2: back on the program. John, How you doing.
Speaker 3: And how you doing? I'm doing great?
Speaker 2: What's the Is that a portrait or a jersey behind
Speaker 2: you there in your office?
Speaker 3: It's all you have?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 3: Well, I was trying.
Speaker 4: I did it adds color, so yeah, I didn't think
Speaker 4: you would have Montana behind you.
Speaker 2: But no, that's it's very nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah they did.
Speaker 2: You did you collect jerseys from those guys? I did not.
Speaker 4: I did not that that that that bad came after me. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we never never really did that, even though I do
Speaker 4: have a I have a marina in a Montana. I
Speaker 4: do have some, but it wasn't something we did all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 2: Do you care where you're ranked all time? When rankings
Speaker 2: come out that greatest quarterbacks?
Speaker 5: How?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't. You can't do anything about it now.
Speaker 2: But how competitive are you?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: I think that you know everybody, you know, everybody has
Speaker 4: different opinions on different players.
Speaker 3: Obviously we're all in different situations.
Speaker 4: I think you just like to be in the common conversation, right,
Speaker 4: That's the key thing is if you're in the conversation,
Speaker 4: then you did all right during your career. And I
Speaker 4: think that you know, you look at all the great
Speaker 4: quarterbacks that I played against that you know during our
Speaker 4: time that you know, I have so much respect for.
Speaker 4: And sure we were competitive when we were playing, and
Speaker 4: UH want to be the best, but you know, ultimately
Speaker 4: to win football games and try to win world championships
Speaker 4: and so yeah, we.
Speaker 3: Were all competitive.
Speaker 4: But what's funny is I think you know, once we
Speaker 4: get away from the game, where you know, we were
Speaker 4: good friends during while we were playing, but probably better
Speaker 4: after we got done.
Speaker 2: But do you think you're better than Joe Montana or
Speaker 2: Tom like? Do you have to have that mindset to
Speaker 2: play the position that you're you're the best at doing this?
Speaker 4: I think yeah, I think so. I think that you know,
Speaker 4: it's when you're going through it. Obviously, certain guys do
Speaker 4: some things better than you do. They say, well, you know,
Speaker 4: I wish I could do that a little bit better,
Speaker 4: do it as good as Danny. Danny obviously had a
Speaker 4: tremend this release and got rid of the football quicker
Speaker 4: than anybody. But you know, I think ultimately you have
Speaker 4: to believe that you're the best and that nobody can.
Speaker 4: You know, nobody can do it better than you can.
Speaker 4: I think that that is a mindset you have to
Speaker 4: have to even have a chance to get into the conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Marino was so ahead of his time with that
Speaker 2: five wide Noro running back. I mean they were running
Speaker 2: what you're running now. Did you ever think, hey, let
Speaker 2: me talk to coach and see if we can run
Speaker 2: the same thing in Denver?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think yeah, I think that we were all kind
Speaker 4: of jealous what Danny was doing down there, because, like
Speaker 4: you said, I mean nineteen eighty four, I think you
Speaker 4: threw for five thousand yards, right, and that was in
Speaker 4: a sixteen game schedule, and that had you know, back then,
Speaker 4: you just wanted to hopefully get to you know, it
Speaker 4: was really three thousand was a good number, and then
Speaker 4: if if you got to four thousand, that was like
Speaker 4: over the top. And so and then Danny in his
Speaker 4: second year, you know, he got well, you have forty
Speaker 4: eight touchdowns and over five thousand yards, and so he
Speaker 4: got there in a hurry. And yeah, from that point
Speaker 4: and point on, I think, you know, statistically, we're all
Speaker 4: chasing Dandy because he was, you know, setting the world
Speaker 4: on fire.
Speaker 2: Trying to assess these rookie quarterbacks, I mean, even drafting,
Speaker 2: how difficult is it. You played the position at the
Speaker 2: highest of levels, but you're trying to find a quarterback
Speaker 2: when you're with the Broncos. What is it that you're
Speaker 2: looking for? And maybe what is it that you missed
Speaker 2: with these quarterbacks?
Speaker 4: You know, Dan, I think it is. I think it
Speaker 4: is such a combination you have to have. Not only
Speaker 4: do you have to have the quarterback. But I really
Speaker 4: believe even more important because all these kids coming out
Speaker 4: of the coming out of college or high draft picks,
Speaker 4: they are all great athletes. Can throw it, can make
Speaker 4: all the throws, can move around, and you know, I
Speaker 4: think the key thing is to get them in the
Speaker 4: right situation with the right coach offensive coordinator, quarterback coach.
Speaker 3: Or head coach.
Speaker 4: I think is so important because how these kids are
Speaker 4: brought into the league and how they are brought along
Speaker 4: because as you know, there is no patience anywhere in
Speaker 4: the NFL when it comes down to waiting on a
Speaker 4: young guy, especially at the quarterback position, to get used
Speaker 4: to playing in the NFL, because it's a huge, huge jump,
Speaker 4: and so not only is it tough to find, it's
Speaker 4: hard to see what's inside. You can see it on tape,
Speaker 4: but it's hard to see what's inside. But I think
Speaker 4: the most important thing is is that combination of a
Speaker 4: head coach or as I said, an offensive coordinator that
Speaker 4: brings that quarterback along slowly, doesn't get them put them
Speaker 4: in situations where they're over their head. And because as
Speaker 4: you know, the criticism in the NFL can be a
Speaker 4: lot and I think and I always say this too,
Speaker 4: especially those high picks. They they've been great in high school. Oh,
Speaker 4: they were great in college. They've always been great athletes,
Speaker 4: and they've never experienced a lot of negative press, and
Speaker 4: I think that a lot of times the world can
Speaker 4: start caving in on them when they don't have success early,
Speaker 4: especially if they're putting situations that they can't handle, because
Speaker 4: not only is the complication of the offenses in the NFL,
Speaker 4: but also what they're doing defensively, and that takes a
Speaker 4: lot of time, and obviously you got to be patient
Speaker 4: be able to do that, which I think. You know,
Speaker 4: Sean Payton's doing a great job with bo Nix and
Speaker 4: Denver while you're seeing him have the success that he's
Speaker 4: having because of the way that he's bringing them along. Obviously,
Speaker 4: Vans Joseph's got the defense going. They're playing great defense
Speaker 4: to where they're not loading everything up onto that quarterback
Speaker 4: and expecting him to win football games week in a
Speaker 4: week out. And so I think that's the progression, and
Speaker 4: I think that's why, you know, we you know, the
Speaker 4: success rate is not as good as it should be
Speaker 4: because of the fact of the combination of the player
Speaker 4: but also the combination of the situation is getting put in.
Speaker 2: Talking to John Elway, the Hall of Famer, Tom Brady
Speaker 2: once said, if he was drafted in the first round,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have survived. You started, Peyton. You guys were
Speaker 2: probably in over your heads those rookie years. And here's Brady,
Speaker 2: maybe the greatest quarterback or certainly the most decorated. He said,
Speaker 2: I needed to sit and watch. You didn't get that luxury.
Speaker 2: How over your head were you that first year, first
Speaker 2: couple of years.
Speaker 3: You know, Dan, I was, you know I was.
Speaker 4: It was fortunate and not looking back on it at
Speaker 4: the time because my rookie year, I started the first
Speaker 4: four games. The first two games I played, I got
Speaker 4: benched at halftime Steve de Berg with her backup and
Speaker 4: actually I got benched at halftime in Pittsburgh, and then
Speaker 4: we went to Baltimore, I got benched. Fortunately Steve came in.
Speaker 4: We won both those football games. I started the next
Speaker 4: two games, and then Dan said, hey, listen, we're gonna
Speaker 4: we're gonna make a chance. So Steve de Berg ended
Speaker 4: up I ended up getting benched after my fourth game,
Speaker 4: and which actually was the best thing that could ever
Speaker 4: ever happened to me because Steve de Berg came in
Speaker 4: played the next four games, and I had a chance.
Speaker 3: To stand on the sideline.
Speaker 4: And so this is where I agree with Tom and
Speaker 4: the fact that the perspective of not being in the
Speaker 4: middle of the heat and having a chance to be
Speaker 4: the backup watch from the sideline was a big, big
Speaker 4: plus for me. And then Steve ended up getting hurt
Speaker 4: and in the fifth game, and then I was back
Speaker 4: in and he separated his shoulder. So I played the
Speaker 4: rest of the year, but that four week period that
Speaker 4: I saw on the bench helped me tremendously for the
Speaker 4: next time when I ended up starting the last half
Speaker 4: of the season. So I think it's always good too,
Speaker 4: you know, not to be in that fire right away,
Speaker 4: to get a real good feel of exactly what's going on,
Speaker 4: because nobody knows what a big jumping is coming from
Speaker 4: college football at the NFL, especially at the quarterback position,
Speaker 4: and and so, like I said, that four week time
Speaker 4: that I got banch was probably helped me the most
Speaker 4: of any any time in my career.
Speaker 2: Steve Young has said on numerous occasions on this show
Speaker 2: he wishes he was playing now because they protect the quarterback.
Speaker 2: They're begging you to run. They protect you when you run,
Speaker 2: and he said that it's too easy. Now, what do
Speaker 2: you think about you in today's game, given your skills?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Obviously the rules have changed and you know, they're making
Speaker 4: the game a safer game, which is a good thing,
Speaker 4: taking some of those unnecessary big hits out of the game.
Speaker 4: You know, obviously the quarterbacks have get protected a lot more.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 4: You know, My biggest fear was, you know, defensive lineman
Speaker 4: falling off guys and hit me in the legs when
Speaker 4: I'm you know, throwing a twenty five yard to come back,
Speaker 4: all my weights on that front leg and you know,
Speaker 4: they can't hit there. And the other thing I always
Speaker 4: say too was, you know, I get asked many times
Speaker 4: as well, who hit you the hardest? And it was
Speaker 4: usually the ground when they were on top of you
Speaker 4: and they landed on top of you. The ground is
Speaker 4: what hurt the most, right, So they can't they can't
Speaker 4: land on you anymore either, So but I you know,
Speaker 4: you know, that's the transition of the game. I still
Speaker 4: you know, obviously what they do with the game and
Speaker 4: the past game, how important it is now that you
Speaker 4: know it would be you don't get hit as much,
Speaker 4: but it's still a physical game. And I still say
Speaker 4: I wouldn't trade when I played, you know, back in
Speaker 4: the eighties and nineties to now, just because the game's changed,
Speaker 4: the camaraderies changed. The locker room to me was a
Speaker 4: place that was almost home for me and so and
Speaker 4: I think all that stuff's changed with the amount of
Speaker 4: money that's out there, that's that's all changed. But you know,
Speaker 4: you know, even though I wouldn't change it, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to say it wouldn't be fun to play today's game.
Speaker 2: When Fritzie said that we could get you on and
Speaker 2: he said that you've been suffering dupatrin and people who
Speaker 2: don't understand I have it. I have it in both hands, okay,
Speaker 2: And so when Fritzie said that you have this, and
Speaker 2: you know, you're working with a pharmaceutical company, and I
Speaker 2: had surgery on my right hand and I haven't and
Speaker 2: it didn't really clear it up. So give me, help
Speaker 2: me understand what I can do explain the condition to
Speaker 2: the audience, because there are a lot of people who
Speaker 2: have it and may not realize what they have.
Speaker 4: You know, you're right, it's amazing you know, I think
Speaker 4: five percent of the population has du Patron's contraction. It's
Speaker 4: really kind of a constriction of your hand, you know,
Speaker 4: your fingers and your hands and the cords in your hands.
Speaker 4: It's a college and build up in your hands to
Speaker 4: where you know, your hand starts restricting. You can't put
Speaker 4: your hand flat on a table.
Speaker 5: You know that.
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of pain with but it
Speaker 3: was more of annoying.
Speaker 4: The fact that it's and it's a condition that doesn't
Speaker 4: get it doesn't go away, and it doesn't you can
Speaker 4: make it better, but it doesn't go away. So it's
Speaker 4: a progressive condition. And so I just went to break
Speaker 4: our trainer and say, you know, what's going on with
Speaker 4: my hand, and and so I didn't. To me, it
Speaker 4: was the annoyance, and so I ended up with the
Speaker 4: non surgical side of it, and so it was it
Speaker 4: was much better that way. I know, surgically, it's it's
Speaker 4: six to eight weeks recovery, whereas the one the thing
Speaker 4: that I did was the non surgical was you know,
Speaker 4: probably about a week to two weeks, and it's it's
Speaker 4: actually it worked in both my hands, and so I
Speaker 4: was able to I'm now able to, you know, put
Speaker 4: my hands back on a table flat and I don't
Speaker 4: have that constriction.
Speaker 2: Oh, so how do how do you help me? John?
Speaker 3: Well, you know what you're supposed to.
Speaker 4: Go find your hand specialists and ask them about the
Speaker 4: non surgical way to go about this and be able
Speaker 4: to release the collagen and the cords in your hands
Speaker 4: so you can stop the constriction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to have surgery again. It's go
Speaker 2: to facts on hand dot com for more information before
Speaker 2: I let you go. If I gave you two weeks
Speaker 2: to get ready, how far could you throw the football?
Speaker 4: Ooh, that is a good question. If he gave me
Speaker 4: two weeks, I think I could probably eventually get it
Speaker 4: to fifty yards I think, but not pausitive.
Speaker 3: But then the recovery time might be longer than the.
Speaker 2: Have you talked to bo Nix?
Speaker 4: I have not had a chance to talk to him.
Speaker 4: I went out to OTA's and obviously it just got
Speaker 4: to town and so there was a lot of different
Speaker 4: things going on in his world and a lot of
Speaker 4: people pulling at him. But you had a chance to
Speaker 4: watch him, and I think DEM's in great shape. They're
Speaker 4: excited about what he's doing and I think Sean and
Speaker 4: Davis Webb are doing a tremendous job and hand and
Speaker 4: breaking them.
Speaker 3: In the right way.
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, John, Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3: My pleasure, Dan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: John Elway Hall of Famer. And yeah, I have that
Speaker 2: same condition both of my hands. I had surgery. I
Speaker 2: don't know how many years ago. But you can't put
Speaker 2: your hands flat on a table because your your fingers
Speaker 2: are they call them trigger fingers. So if you have that,
Speaker 2: you can go to facts on hand dot com. All right,
Speaker 2: we'll take a break. We'll talk to the raining, the
Speaker 2: freshly minted rookie of the Year, Paul Schemes from the Pirates.
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Speaker 2: Since we just had John Elway on, I have the
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Speaker 2: He is the National League Rookie of the Year. He's
Speaker 2: Paul Skins, the Pirates pitcher back on the program. Last
Speaker 2: time I saw you when you got the honor, you
Speaker 2: had a fireplace scene behind you look really nice and cozy.
Speaker 2: Did you make the fire.
Speaker 6: I did not, and I think it looked all right,
Speaker 6: but not quite as good as the fireplace scene You've
Speaker 6: got behind you.
Speaker 2: So similar, but I'm not winning any awards. How did
Speaker 2: you celebrate when you got the honor?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we had a number of my teammates
Speaker 6: and coaches and you know, some people that have just
Speaker 6: kind of affected my career in the past couple of years.
Speaker 6: So they were all there. Got to celebrate with them,
Speaker 6: and you know, just it was nice to be able
Speaker 6: to to experience it with them, because it takes a
Speaker 6: village to have any sort of success.
Speaker 2: What was it like in April when you're in the
Speaker 2: minor leagues wanting to be called up but not getting
Speaker 2: that call?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that was the thing that that you know,
Speaker 6: people have been telling me, my parents, my coaches that
Speaker 6: kind of thing since this time last year was just
Speaker 6: be patient because we don't know what the plan is. Necessarily,
Speaker 6: we don't know, like I mean, truthfully, we didn't know how, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, how how I was going to be because
Speaker 6: I you know, had a feeling that I was going
Speaker 6: to do, you know, have success and I believe to
Speaker 6: myself and that kind of thing. But you don't really
Speaker 6: know how you're going to do until you're in it.
Speaker 6: So just be patient and put in the work and
Speaker 6: and uh go compete and then it'll all take care
Speaker 6: of itself.
Speaker 2: How does your personality help you benefit you because you
Speaker 2: seem pretty even keel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, I mean, it's just how I am,
Speaker 6: and I've I've I think I've realized it a lot
Speaker 6: more over this year, this past year, this past season.
Speaker 6: It definitely doesn't hurt. I think just being able to
Speaker 6: stay consistent in this game because it is because you
Speaker 6: can really ride the roller coaster, the ups and the
Speaker 6: downs through through one hundred and sixty two. So just
Speaker 6: being able to stay consistent, and I think it helps
Speaker 6: me do that.
Speaker 2: Okay, but when you give up a home run, you
Speaker 2: get mad internally, you don't show it, but when somebody
Speaker 2: hits a bomb off of you. What's going on?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Sometimes I get mad sometimes, I mean there's I
Speaker 6: think there's pictures of me this year, like smiling after
Speaker 6: I give it a home run. Sometimes frankly, sometimes I
Speaker 6: think it's funny.
Speaker 2: So why why is it funny?
Speaker 6: I mean it's just you know, kind of kind of
Speaker 6: their approach, whether they executed it or not. Like there
Speaker 6: were there were a couple of times where, you know,
Speaker 6: guys just jumped me this year and I was just like, well, whatever,
Speaker 6: you can't. You can't. You can't really avoid that to
Speaker 6: some extent, so who cares?
Speaker 2: What was it like? Facing Otani?
Speaker 6: It was cool. It was cool obviously the you know,
Speaker 6: the first a B and then the second AB he
Speaker 6: got me. But that that is cool because we you know,
Speaker 6: we went back to his uh you know, back to
Speaker 6: their place, and just having the opportunity to face him
Speaker 6: I don't know what, five or six times this year
Speaker 6: and knowing that it's going to be five or six
Speaker 6: times next year and in the year after that like that,
Speaker 6: that that's pretty cool to to look forward to where
Speaker 6: it's not just you know, reading a scouting report and
Speaker 6: throwing to a certain uh certain location, like you got
Speaker 6: to play baseball and and actually get the guy out.
Speaker 6: It's it's a cool, cool experience.
Speaker 2: He's the rookie of the year. Pirates pitcher Paul Schemes.
Speaker 2: What's a pitcher do in the off season?
Speaker 6: So what I Yeah, what I did was took three
Speaker 6: weeks completely off and really just on my body and
Speaker 6: my mind, settle, relax for a little bit, and then
Speaker 6: got right back into it throwing and lifting. This is
Speaker 6: the kind of the point in the off season where
Speaker 6: you're really just getting your butt kicked probably five times
Speaker 6: a week by the workouts, just because that's you know,
Speaker 6: that's where we're at in the off season, and got
Speaker 6: to build strength, build work workload, work capacity, all that
Speaker 6: and and ramping up. So it's not it's not fun necessarily,
Speaker 6: but you know, hopefully get to enjoy it a little
Speaker 6: bit too, take some trips and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Now you're not a surprise, so the rest, you know,
Speaker 2: everybody gets a book on whether it's a hit or
Speaker 2: a pitcher. Uh, do you work on anything? You add
Speaker 2: anything in your second season? Are you working on anything?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I think I will. I don't know exactly what
Speaker 6: it is going to be yet because where I'm at
Speaker 6: right now, like I just can't work on any any
Speaker 6: other pitches right now, I'm only throwing fastball. So that's
Speaker 6: something that I'm a little bit more present with it
Speaker 6: this off season rather than thinking about because last off
Speaker 6: season I was kind of like, oh, want me to
Speaker 6: do this and this and this, and I was thinking
Speaker 6: about all that in September, But you can't really start
Speaker 6: doing that until December January. So I'm now I'm kind
Speaker 6: of at the point where I'm like, all right, I'll
Speaker 6: I'll figure it out a little bit in uh, you know,
Speaker 6: November December. So I don't know exactly what the you know,
Speaker 6: what the character that's going to look like, but I
Speaker 6: think there's going to be something that I'll figure out
Speaker 6: because there are ways for me to get better.
Speaker 2: Do you have a baseball nearby?
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2: Oh is that possible? Should you have a baseball nearby?
Speaker 2: Driving in your car holding the bit? I mean, what
Speaker 2: are you doing? It's a cowboy without a hat on.
Speaker 6: I know if I were in the car, I would
Speaker 6: have it, because I do drive with one in the car,
Speaker 6: but I don't have one right here. I got Christmas decorations,
Speaker 6: but nothing else.
Speaker 2: Okay, we we have to work on the background here, Paul, Like,
Speaker 2: if you're going to be this good for a long
Speaker 2: period of time, we have to have a better backdrop
Speaker 2: when we when we have you on TV.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm figuring that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the fireplace was great, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: but I mean that looks like a college dorm that
Speaker 2: you got going on there. You get your girlfriend to
Speaker 2: spice it up a little bit, you know, let's let's
Speaker 2: do some decorating in there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll do, we'll do.
Speaker 2: Well. Congratulations and well deserved and thanks for joining us
Speaker 2: as always.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 2: That's Paul Schemes, Irons Venture nationally Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 7: Does he realize how unintentionally funny he is.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you can't, you know. It's just like, hey,
Speaker 2: he won Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 7: I'm liking him more and more each time.
Speaker 2: The delivery is great because it's deadpan and then you're
Speaker 2: thinking you gave up a home run and you're smiling. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's not your normal reaction when you're giving up a
Speaker 2: home run, but great appreciation for what he did. I mean,
Speaker 2: there was stuff that you're what now, he was tuned
Speaker 2: in factor. He was There's a few pitchers who have
Speaker 2: been tuned in factor and he certainly was, and heirt's
Speaker 2: got something there. But you know, they kept him in
Speaker 2: the minor leagues, and you know, I think that was
Speaker 2: there was some headlines that were written about why are
Speaker 2: the pirates keeping him there? And it has to do
Speaker 2: with service time and how many years? And you know,
Speaker 2: I think there was there were some people who were
Speaker 2: pushing back on why why is our best pitcher maybe
Speaker 2: our best player in the minor leagues in the month
Speaker 2: of April. But certainly got his chance and proved that,
Speaker 2: and he was with he was at Air Force, and
Speaker 2: then he goes to LSU and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you're on display at the College World Series and things
Speaker 2: changed quickly. I had a couple of phone calls here,
Speaker 2: let me see Curtis in Illinois. Curtis, thanks for holding
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8: One DP Brian Babel might be some harder than we
Speaker 8: think he is. I think last Monday he thought he
Speaker 8: could be fired. So he went into John Mayer's office
Speaker 8: and just said, you know, I know we're not good,
Speaker 8: but what if I could possibly save you twenty three
Speaker 8: million by benching Daniel Jones And mar agrees to it
Speaker 8: and wants to see what Drew Locke can do, and
Speaker 8: then Dave All replies with, actually, he could earn up
Speaker 8: to about three million incentives, So how about we just
Speaker 8: go with fan favorite Tommy DeVito.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to give Brian Dabel the credit on this.
Speaker 2: This feels like this was upper management and a financial
Speaker 2: decision because they didn't want to pay Drew Locke with
Speaker 2: the incentives he has in his contract. You don't want
Speaker 2: to pay Danny dimes Danny millions, and you got Tommy DeVito.
Speaker 2: So it just made sense that you put Tommy DeVito
Speaker 2: in there and then you ride this out. Yes, Seaton, Yeah, I.
Speaker 9: Kind of agree with that. For some reason, I feel
Speaker 9: like if the Giants were to fire Brian Dable, they'd
Speaker 9: be making a big mistake. Okay, I know, I feel
Speaker 9: like he might be a better coach than what the
Speaker 9: Giants are showing.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you start with the quarterbacking situation, so
Speaker 2: you get that, you inherit that, and then you have
Speaker 2: to make good on that. I mean, it's not his
Speaker 2: fault that they let Saquon go. It's not his fault
Speaker 2: that they kept Danny Dimes. But you know, you could
Speaker 2: be right with that with his role there. But I
Speaker 2: don't know. It's weird when you have these seasons, somebody
Speaker 2: has to pay the price, and maybe it's coordinated. Whatever
Speaker 2: it is, fans are like, Okay, finally we're doing something.
Speaker 2: If you stand pat with this, it feels like the
Speaker 2: fan base is going to be like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: You know, at least the Jets are cleaning house here,
Speaker 2: but the Giants aren't, then they're probably you know, equally bad.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Pauline, I'm leaning with Seaton on this one, and
Speaker 7: it's not gonna be popular because, like you said, fans
Speaker 7: want action, not sticking. But this guy was with the Bill,
Speaker 7: he was with Alabama, he was with the Patriots. He's
Speaker 7: been with a lot of winning franchises. His management team
Speaker 7: kept his quarterback. I'm sure he had input, but the
Speaker 7: management team kept the quarterback. I would let it play
Speaker 7: out a little bit because this guy has a history
Speaker 7: of being a very good coach with very good franchises,
Speaker 7: and that's why you brought him in and trying again,
Speaker 7: You've already got a good coach there.
Speaker 2: Let it play out a little well, okay, and I
Speaker 2: agree I wouldn't let him go, But I'd like to
Speaker 2: know what the philosophy is in the building. What if
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick says, hey, they reach out to him and
Speaker 2: he wants to coach the Giants. He wants to go
Speaker 2: full circle back where he was an assistant coach. Now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Brian Dable is not as attractive.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're only as attractive as the other candidates who
Speaker 2: are or could replace you. And I think that's you
Speaker 2: have to have the Belichick factor with all of this
Speaker 2: with Jacksonville, can you get him as he an upgrade
Speaker 2: over Doug Peterson? Obviously the Jets are not possibility. I
Speaker 2: don't think the Cowboys are a possibility. How many places
Speaker 2: will be open to Belichick? And would the Giants be
Speaker 2: one of those teams? Will the Bears be one of
Speaker 2: those teams? And I think that's where you have to
Speaker 2: factor in the Bears have a quarterback. The Giants don't
Speaker 2: have a quarterback. The Jets don't have a quarterback. Cowboys
Speaker 2: do have a quarterback. Jacksonville, you're paying your quarterback to
Speaker 2: be a franchise quarterback. Yes, Paul Bill Belichick will be
Speaker 2: seventy three when next season starts. That would make him
Speaker 2: seven years older than the oldest head coach in Andy Reid.
Speaker 2: Do you think that will hurt his chances because they
Speaker 2: you know, it's not a seven year higher, it's a
Speaker 2: four year higher.
Speaker 7: If all goes well, five year higher. And it's not age,
Speaker 7: it's reality.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, like you said, what his age is.
Speaker 2: I actually thought he was older. It hasn't come up yet.
Speaker 2: But I think if he does come back in, they're
Speaker 2: going to say, hey, you know, when the season starts,
Speaker 2: he's going to be seventy four years of age. That
Speaker 2: might factor in, But I think fan base is certainly
Speaker 2: in the NFL, the older, more experienced, knowledgeable, you're all
Speaker 2: in on that instead of hey, this guy did wonders
Speaker 2: in college. Let's bring in Lincoln Riley. That makes me
Speaker 2: more apprehensive, more nervous. Belichick, Now, can he be set
Speaker 2: in his ways? That's an issue. Does he want to
Speaker 2: be GM? That could be an issue. Is the old
Speaker 2: school that could be an issue as well, But somebody's
Speaker 2: going to hire him, and probably Jacksonville at least it
Speaker 2: certainly feels that way. Dan in South Bend, Hey Dan, Hey.
Speaker 5: Dann, thanks for taking my call. I think we need
Speaker 5: to look at the.
Speaker 6: Draft a little bit and let it play out.
Speaker 5: You always say let it play out two or three years.
Speaker 5: They got Neighbors, he's good. They got Charny ct Junior,
Speaker 5: that running back, he's good. They got a quarterback that's
Speaker 5: probably top four five in the draft this year. And
Speaker 5: they knew we saw on the show. They knew that
Speaker 5: they hadn't out with Danny Dimes after this year. That
Speaker 5: was no secret. So I mean, I think we need
Speaker 5: to let it play out at least another year before
Speaker 5: we start calling for anybody's heads or anything like that.
Speaker 5: I mean, let's let it play out. A Giants feel
Speaker 5: to me anyways, way more positive than the Jets.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean Brian Dable, as Pauli and Seton pointed out,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got a proven track record here, but
Speaker 2: you have a bad roster and it starts with your quarterback.
Speaker 2: Neighbors is good, really good. The question is, now, are
Speaker 2: you going to draft a quarterback, You're going to try
Speaker 2: to trade, You're going to try to bring somebody in
Speaker 2: free agency? What is going to happen and is it
Speaker 2: a band aid or can you find your franchise quarterback?
Speaker 2: Those are the tricky things with all of this. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you look at the Jets, they did really well
Speaker 2: drafting and then they drafted Zach will Well, everything they
Speaker 2: did with their draft was negated because they had a
Speaker 2: quarterback who wasn't ready to play. So then they trade
Speaker 2: a first round pick and they bring in Aaron Rodgers. Well,
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers gets hurt. Who knows what he could have
Speaker 2: been that year, and then you have this season and
Speaker 2: it feels like they're getting rid of everybody that he wants.
Speaker 2: You know, Joe Douglas has now gone the GM. Aaron
Speaker 2: has said he'll come back, but he wants the interim
Speaker 2: coach back as well. He got everything that he wanted
Speaker 2: and it went south quickly. I just think this is
Speaker 2: a team that's going to have to move on take
Speaker 2: a cap hit with Aaron Rodgers. Does DeVante Adams want
Speaker 2: to stay if Rodgers isn't there, Like, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of decisions that are made there, but it's not an
Speaker 2: attractive job to me because of the owner. It's not
Speaker 2: an attractive job because if Aaron Rodgers wants to come back.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can have an owner say let's
Speaker 2: bench Aaron four games in that Aaron would want to
Speaker 2: come back, or you would want him back. Yeah, poem.
Speaker 7: Going back to the Giants quarterback situation, they'll probably have
Speaker 7: a top five draft pick. But if they were going
Speaker 7: to go with the free agent route, you know how
Speaker 7: the most interesting free agent quarterback is for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7: I want to play that game after the Burt Joe
Speaker 7: Flacco one more. Guess this guy is fascinating to me
Speaker 7: right now. He's having a very good season. He's back
Speaker 7: in the NFL radar, and he's about to lose his
Speaker 7: job to a rookie Sam Donald of the Vikings. They're
Speaker 7: gonna go with JJ McCarthy next year. Sam Donald is
Speaker 7: at the end of the year, is not under contract.
Speaker 7: He is twenty seven years old and has a top
Speaker 7: ten quarterback rating and it's probably gonna get a mid
Speaker 7: level contract. Not that he'll get the Baker Mayfield, not
Speaker 7: the big That's a fascinating offseason quarterback play for a
Speaker 7: team that's good and doesn't want to rebuild a quarterback.
Speaker 2: But do you think you could do that to Sam
Speaker 2: having come back to this into the crime where he
Speaker 2: was there with the Jets, and now all of a sudden.
Speaker 7: I think he may want to sign with the Giants.
Speaker 2: Well, JJ McCarthy's probably going to be the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2: You're right, but yeah, all right, came back. Donald.
Speaker 7: If I told you two years ago we'd be doing
Speaker 7: a show where there's a bidding war for Sam Donald.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if there's a bidding war yet.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm saying in the off season.
Speaker 2: Not yet.
Speaker 7: I think we have to have another team that would
Speaker 7: be interesting. I'm in on the Sam Darnald. I'm calling it.
Speaker 7: He's going to be a hot property. What in April?
Speaker 7: Scalding hot?
Speaker 2: All right, when we come back. When we come back,
Speaker 2: it's time to play in or Out. We're back after this.
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Speaker 2: Time to play in or Out? Paulie, would you give
Speaker 2: the audience and us a refresher on the guidelines the
Speaker 2: rules are playing in or out?
Speaker 7: Glad to DP. A lot of people are still struggling
Speaker 7: with the rules. It's if I'm going to present a
Speaker 7: topic or a thesis, or a theory or a statement,
Speaker 7: and you say I'm in, which means you're in, get correct,
Speaker 7: and out, which means you're out. You got this down,
Speaker 7: But the rest of America we'll pick up.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 7: The Jets situation currently is the worst situation in the NFL.
Speaker 7: In or out, And if you're out, tell me who
Speaker 7: is the.
Speaker 2: Worst tod I'll start with you.
Speaker 10: I'm going to say in. They are in the worst spot.
Speaker 9: Con um See, I'm sort of of the thought that
Speaker 9: not having a coach, at GM, a quarterback, any of
Speaker 9: those things puts you in a better spot than other people.
Speaker 9: Oh so I'm I'm out on that. That being said,
Speaker 9: I'm not sure who's in worst shape right now, but
Speaker 9: I'm maybe the Browns. They seem to perpetually be in
Speaker 9: terrible shape. That might just be my own bias to
Speaker 9: I don't think that the Jets are in terrible shape.
Speaker 2: Marvin in or out on the Jets being the worst
Speaker 2: in the worst position of all NFL teams, I'm out, you.
Speaker 10: Know, I think they can start fresh, start a new
Speaker 10: The worst situation probably the Titans.
Speaker 2: They're bad in irrelevant, you're over too well, Cleveland Panthers, Titans.
Speaker 2: There's there's a couple of teams in there. What I'm about. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm out on the Jets being the worst in the
Speaker 2: worst shape. Here we go.
Speaker 7: The Denver Broncos are set at quarterback.
Speaker 10: In I don't know if I was supposed to go
Speaker 10: first Todd.
Speaker 11: I really like what I see, and just in his
Speaker 11: rookie year, he's already breaking all kinds of team records.
Speaker 2: He looks very no doubts, right, no doubts, no doubts.
Speaker 10: I feel very good that he could be a long
Speaker 10: term answer for the Broncos a quarter.
Speaker 2: Does anybody out on bow Nicks being the guy the
Speaker 2: man in Denver? No? Wow, Yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 7: That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Sure, Here we go.
Speaker 7: College football needs Dion Sanders more than the NFL does.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go first, hard in. They need characters at coaches,
Speaker 7: and we've lost college football lostfile doesn't need anything, right exactly, they.
Speaker 2: Don't need anything. College football's lost college football, college basketball,
Speaker 2: they've lost big time coaches. NFL does not need anything. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I still I'm uh. I'm in on that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm in on that.
Speaker 9: I think that it's probably more likely still that Dion's
Speaker 9: next destination would still be Florida State over the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: But they did bypass him the last time they did.
Speaker 2: But now he can back up the truck this time though,
Speaker 2: if he wants.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 7: Everybody's in on this right in in in, Okay, a
Speaker 7: couple more. Indiana is going to beat Ohio State on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Todd, I want them to, but I'm saying out Seaton,
Speaker 2: I so want that to happen. I'm all in one, Okay, Marvin,
Speaker 2: I'm in.
Speaker 10: Let's go, Antoine, Randa Lel, Let's go.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm out. If it was at Indiana, I would
Speaker 2: be in. I would be in Indiana. Oh, but I'm
Speaker 2: out because it's out of Indiana.
Speaker 7: I'm Indiana on this one. Can you imagine a world
Speaker 7: where Indiana beats Michigan and Ohio State in the same year,
Speaker 7: much less the same day in football? In football, wild man, Okay,
Speaker 7: Army Football can play with any college football playoff team.
Speaker 7: This was based on a few different people in sports
Speaker 7: media saying Army doesn't belong in no matter what their
Speaker 7: record is because they can't beat heavyweights.
Speaker 2: Okay, in a a you're either one or done. They can. Yes,
Speaker 2: I do believe that that style is very tricky. Now,
Speaker 2: do I think it's sustainable If they're going against great teams?
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 2: If they were in the SEC or the Big ten, no,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they're not. And
Speaker 2: it's just like Boise State. You got a chance, you
Speaker 2: take advantage of it, and maybe you knock somebody off.
Speaker 2: So I would say I'm in in a one and
Speaker 2: done situation. There you got all right?
Speaker 7: Two more Lakers guard Dalton connect will win Rookie of
Speaker 7: the Year. Recency bias.
Speaker 2: Little recency bias has recent as last night. That's right,
Speaker 2: I do it. I'm gonna do it out on it. No, No,
Speaker 2: just because I don't know what kind of numbers he
Speaker 2: can put up on a consistent basis. Will he get
Speaker 2: that opportunity? A lot of times with rookies of the year,
Speaker 2: you get to take more shots, you get to be
Speaker 2: more prominently displayed, featured. I don't know if that will happen.
Speaker 2: I think he'll have these moments where he'll get twenty
Speaker 2: five and then go back to getting seven. But you know,
Speaker 2: thirty seven last night, hitting the threes. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: that's impressive. I just don't know if he'll get those opportunities.
Speaker 2: Anybody in on Dalton connect as the rookie, Oh, Paully
Speaker 2: is all, Todd is all.
Speaker 10: I'm all about recency bias.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a bunch of randos above him, like Jared McCain.
Speaker 7: He's doing okay for Philly, Zachary Reschasse from Atlanta, but
Speaker 7: they're not lighting things up and they're on non not
Speaker 7: very relevant teams.
Speaker 2: Well, they're not going to be you know, displayed. The
Speaker 2: Lakers are always on so you get to see him.
Speaker 2: So if he's good, he will turn out to be
Speaker 2: really good in a lot of people's eyes, they'll get
Speaker 2: to see him.
Speaker 7: Okay, last one, this just hit the in or out page.
Speaker 7: But based off last segment, the Sam Darnald free agent
Speaker 7: market is going to be scalding.
Speaker 2: Hot, scalding. I'm gonna be out on all. I'm out
Speaker 2: regret it. Anybody, and besides Paulie on the Sam Darnold
Speaker 2: Fan Club, anybody.
Speaker 9: Believe the word frenzy is being frenzy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sweet Steaks, I think he oversold it a little.
Speaker 10: Bites Scalding made me feel like I got you out
Speaker 10: on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm going out.
Speaker 7: I strongly disagree with your disagreements because Sam is twenty eight,
Speaker 7: stumbled into a really good season and by default will
Speaker 7: be the only high end free agent quarterback in the
Speaker 7: off season. It's a timing play.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're all in duly noted in March duly No,
Speaker 2: how do we come up with duly noted? Checking that
Speaker 2: expression duly noted? Yes, Marv, what about the expression further
Speaker 2: ado that sounds French that without a yeah? Is that
Speaker 2: your dog? That is nothing my dog? This is your
Speaker 2: dog bite, That is not my dog.
Speaker 7: Duly noted is an academic term used over one hundred
Speaker 7: years ago for it was put down in notes for
Speaker 7: your official file, so duly noted.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 7: It was put on some type of file or report.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was the duly Report, and it was duly noted, and.
Speaker 11: People listening to previous adeo were like, can we speed
Speaker 11: this up? Let's tell how about we have no further ado.
Speaker 11: We got things to do so.
Speaker 2: Well without further ado. We'll take a break coming up
Speaker 2: the mess that is the Jets, and we'll look at
Speaker 2: the college football rank. King says, well, final hour in
Speaker 2: this Wednesday straight Ahead