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Speaker 2: Brian brought us manning the mic one more time? How
Speaker 2: about that? Can't get rid of me. I'm like, gum
Speaker 2: on your shoe.
Speaker 3: It brought you back, It brought me back.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like the the movie The Godfather.
Speaker 3: Right, I haven't seen him, seen The Godfather, The Godfather.
Speaker 4: It's Godfather three everything.
Speaker 2: Every time I'm trying and get out, they pull me back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly. That's the that's the nineteen nine and one.
Speaker 5: That's the one that's not very good.
Speaker 2: You need to see the guys.
Speaker 6: I've been on like a big mob movie kick recently. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and I've had like three conversations about The Godfather in
Speaker 6: the last week.
Speaker 3: So I do need to watch.
Speaker 2: I need to watch.
Speaker 3: So the Three's not worth it, though, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, it's just it's stupid. It came around like sixteen
Speaker 5: years later. Yeah, I don't know, Like Mario Puzzo needed
Speaker 5: a buck or something, and so they made a third
Speaker 5: movie and it was a waste of time and it
Speaker 5: had Sophia Copela in it and she couldn't act.
Speaker 2: No, here's here's here's not a waste of time for you.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk some draft today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna.
Speaker 2: Talk some draft. We're inside a week well it's actually
Speaker 2: draft week, So I'll introduce my scouts here. Nick Harris,
Speaker 2: Bobby belt, i Issham Morrison, Chris Biemer in the back.
Speaker 2: I want to go around the room, and here we
Speaker 2: are really days away. We're starting to count down the hours.
Speaker 2: I want to go around the room and just give
Speaker 2: me one thought about It didn't have to be about
Speaker 2: a player, doesn't have to Maybe it's something you're hearing,
Speaker 2: Maybe it's something that you know you're feeling about this draft.
Speaker 2: Give me one thought, Nick Harris, that you're kind of
Speaker 2: right now feeling about as we get this started this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm wondering when the trades will start firing off.
Speaker 6: You know, away from the Cowboys pick, there's a certain
Speaker 6: level of expectation that I think we could all have
Speaker 6: for the Cowboys trading back in the first round. I
Speaker 6: think if a certain crop of guys are not on
Speaker 6: the board at twenty four, then they start getting on
Speaker 6: the phones. But aside from that, when do the trades
Speaker 6: start firing off for whoever's going to hop into the
Speaker 6: top five to get J. J.
Speaker 3: McCarthy, Who's going to be that.
Speaker 6: Team that kind of slides back to be able to
Speaker 6: get a better position with a defensive player, but also
Speaker 6: pick up draft capital in that top ten. So it's Monday,
Speaker 6: you would have to think those those things start firing
Speaker 6: off here in the next forty eight hours, but it
Speaker 6: also could be on draft nights. That's kind of the
Speaker 6: thought that I have coming into today. But as far
Speaker 6: as the Cowboys pick goes specific offensive line, obviously, I
Speaker 6: think for me, this is kind of where I'm leaning
Speaker 6: right now. If there are three guys that are not
Speaker 6: available at twenty four, then I think they paarachute back.
Speaker 6: And I think those three guys are Troy Faltanu, J. C.
Speaker 6: Latham and Graham Barton. I think if those three guys
Speaker 6: are not on the board, then they push back. That's
Speaker 6: kind of my thought right now.
Speaker 2: Aisha got a thought for me? Your second draft. You've
Speaker 2: been a part of, done a hell of a job
Speaker 2: to get it to this point right now. Probably a
Speaker 2: little tired, We're all a little tired, probably a little irritable.
Speaker 2: You get a thought for son, where you feel like
Speaker 2: where you are right now.
Speaker 7: I think we talked about it on the draft one
Speaker 7: on one thing.
Speaker 2: I think everyone, by the way, hell of a job
Speaker 2: by all you guys too, And yeah, thanks to Brian,
Speaker 2: thanks to the fans out there.
Speaker 7: Cam Lord.
Speaker 2: I just I just think I've learned to deal with
Speaker 2: that boy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Bobby, Bobby's Bobby's good.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 9: So I think that I they feel like a lot
Speaker 9: of us are kind of dead set on it being
Speaker 9: offensive line this first round.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I don't know if it's just me because I like chaos,
Speaker 9: but I just feel like maybe they might surprise us
Speaker 9: in how they handle that first round.
Speaker 7: Like you know, we.
Speaker 9: Talked about obviously offensive line is in need. They've had
Speaker 9: success in getting offensive line in the first round and
Speaker 9: all those things. But I just I'm looking forward to
Speaker 9: seeing if they surprise us and maybe do some things
Speaker 9: that we don't expect.
Speaker 7: This is this is important, man.
Speaker 9: Like they haven't touched free agency, really, they haven't done
Speaker 9: really anything in the off season too, in my opinion,
Speaker 9: get better this draft. They have to have some urgency
Speaker 9: that maybe we haven't seen from them in a while.
Speaker 9: And so I'm wondering if Nick brings up trade backs
Speaker 9: and things like that. I'm wondering if they do have
Speaker 9: a little show, a little bit more urgency and do
Speaker 9: some things that we don't expect on day one.
Speaker 5: Robert Belt, Yeah, I'm gonna be sweating all the way
Speaker 5: up to twenty four trying to see if Graham Barton's
Speaker 5: gonna come down or not.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's like I honestly, that's all I
Speaker 5: consider it because I've just I know there's a good
Speaker 5: possibility he's not there, and yet I'm sitting here just
Speaker 5: trying to conceptualize reality where he's not there, and it's
Speaker 5: really tough to then figure out where they go from
Speaker 5: there at Center.
Speaker 4: And so for me, it's even.
Speaker 5: Though I know there are other guys there that that
Speaker 5: makes some sense, like you just mentioned Troy Fatano, Jac
Speaker 5: Latham if he gets down there. You know, we've talked
Speaker 5: about Kingsley, Sua manta Ea, Like like you got these
Speaker 5: different guys here that you can talk about. To me,
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, and even if you like those guys
Speaker 5: and those are good players and you haven't good to wear,
Speaker 5: it's still just as when that pick happens, if it's
Speaker 5: somebody having the Barton, I'm gonna be sitting there on
Speaker 5: like in my head, I'm thinking, what the hell are
Speaker 5: they doing at Center next year? Like that's kind of
Speaker 5: gonna be where my head's at. So I think that,
Speaker 5: you know, it can even make sense that a guy
Speaker 5: like Patanuo, I'd probably take him over Graham Barton sitting there,
Speaker 5: But even taking him, I'd be sitting there thinking, I
Speaker 5: don't know what's gonna happen at Center next year. I
Speaker 5: don't know how that's gonna look. And that that, to
Speaker 5: me is just the biggest question heading into this draft
Speaker 5: is what's going to happen at Center? And so for me,
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be just watching the board
Speaker 5: fall and see if he's even there.
Speaker 2: For you at twenty four, if you guys were sitting
Speaker 2: in that war room and all of your thoughts are percolating,
Speaker 2: do you feel like that they have a handle on
Speaker 2: your issues right now? The things that you guys are
Speaker 2: thinking about, do you think they have a handle on
Speaker 2: how the board's gonna fall, or are we or is
Speaker 2: this for the first time in a long time, there's
Speaker 2: that chaos that we don't know is there? Do you
Speaker 2: feel like that they? I mean, I feel like they're
Speaker 2: going of course they're going to get a handle, but
Speaker 2: right now, I wonder if they do have that.
Speaker 4: Outlet light, Like how predictable they think the first twenty
Speaker 4: three shars go.
Speaker 2: Sure, I think I think.
Speaker 5: Teams usually have a better beat on how things are
Speaker 5: going to fall ahead of them than than we realize.
Speaker 5: But I mean it certainly happened for the Cowboys openly
Speaker 5: acknowledged when they picked Seed Lamb, Like we had every
Speaker 5: mock Drafs scenario we ran.
Speaker 4: He didn't get down there and so and so.
Speaker 5: Like I mean, thinks things can happen in front of
Speaker 5: them and can be unpredictable, But I think they probably
Speaker 5: know where their land mines are, where where they know, like, Hey,
Speaker 5: if we like this guy, we got to watch out
Speaker 5: here here.
Speaker 4: If we like this guy, we got to watch out here.
Speaker 5: And I think they know what's probable and what they're
Speaker 5: looking at. Yeah, I think that they've got to handle
Speaker 5: on that.
Speaker 6: I agree with all those points, but with that being said,
Speaker 6: kind of hearing all the smoke from the insiders and
Speaker 6: people that know a lot more sure, like the Daniel Jeremiah's.
Speaker 2: Of the world. I don't know if they know more
Speaker 2: than us, but.
Speaker 3: I would I would.
Speaker 6: I would say that just kind of hearing from what
Speaker 6: they they have been communicating over the last week, scouts
Speaker 6: are fearing how wild.
Speaker 3: This is going to get on Thursday night.
Speaker 6: Yes, you know that there's there's an element of unknown
Speaker 6: that has been kind of more prevalent this year than
Speaker 6: in any other draft, and that the trades kind of
Speaker 6: play into that. That's that was kind of part of
Speaker 6: the my first answer as well, you know, when does
Speaker 6: that start firing off and when does the board kind
Speaker 6: of shaking up with different teams in different slots. I think,
Speaker 6: you know, you really won't know what the board will
Speaker 6: exactly look like until probably pick twelve is off the board,
Speaker 6: and then you can kind of have a level of
Speaker 6: expectation until twenty four. But up until twelve, I mean,
Speaker 6: there's a lot of things that can happen.
Speaker 2: Why do you embrace the chaos?
Speaker 9: I don't know if I embrace it, because y'all know
Speaker 9: I got anxiety, But at the same time, I just
Speaker 9: think Nick brings up a good point of just how
Speaker 9: top heavy this draft is in some positions, and then
Speaker 9: obviously a lot of the teams that need quarterback and
Speaker 9: just how that's gonna fall. I mean, I was surprised
Speaker 9: that you answered the way that you answered, though, Bobby.
Speaker 9: As far as like Brian asking is do you think
Speaker 9: that they have a good beat on things? I interpreted
Speaker 9: that as do you think that they feel the same
Speaker 9: way about center as you do? That's how I interpreted it.
Speaker 9: So you're talking about Graham Barton early. I thought that
Speaker 9: was how I thought that was where because I think
Speaker 9: I don't know all the info, but I do think
Speaker 9: that there is some.
Speaker 7: Confidence in brock Hoffman.
Speaker 9: So I wonder I don't think it's enough personally, like
Speaker 9: we don't think it's enough to be like, oh no,
Speaker 9: we can grab a center later. But what if they
Speaker 9: really do feel like that from the inside.
Speaker 5: No, I mean, I think I think that they absolutely
Speaker 5: would operate with brock Coffin at center because they need
Speaker 5: contingencies in place. I don't think that's anywhere near their
Speaker 5: their optimal plan. If you gave them a number of
Speaker 5: different options as to here's how the the off season
Speaker 5: can play out, here's how the draft can play out,
Speaker 5: Here's how your your lineup can look. I don't think
Speaker 5: their preference would be that that's your starting center next year. Again,
Speaker 5: I think they have got contingencies in place. Chumanydoga last
Speaker 5: year was a contingency. It's something in place that that
Speaker 5: can start if you need them to. But that was
Speaker 5: not what they desired necessarily, That wasn't their primary option.
Speaker 5: It was just one that like, hey, if we need
Speaker 5: to do this, we can. And so I think that
Speaker 5: the question for me is going to be if it's
Speaker 5: not Barton, if it's not Jackson powers Johnson, then do
Speaker 5: they like Hoffman as an option more than they like
Speaker 5: Fraser as an option?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 4: Do they like Kaufman more than the like Man Pran
Speaker 4: as an option?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 5: Are they looking at it that way or do they
Speaker 5: get all the way down to like, if Hunter Norzad
Speaker 5: goes in the you know whatever it is sometimes day
Speaker 5: three or whatever else, however really goes depending on how
Speaker 5: teams like him, Like, would they be willing to have
Speaker 5: a center they take on day three that they think, No,
Speaker 5: this is still a better option to us. That's what
Speaker 5: I don't have a lot of clarity about. I think
Speaker 5: they would absolutely take Graham Barton and start him at
Speaker 5: center next year if if he was there at twenty four.
Speaker 5: It's just a matter of, you know, what are their
Speaker 5: contingencies behind it. How does brock Kauffman fit into that?
Speaker 9: And for me, it falls back into kind of the
Speaker 9: tune I've been singing since we started this is we with.
Speaker 7: How season long these seasons are getting.
Speaker 9: There is so much value in having backup offensive linemen
Speaker 9: that you really think can go get it. Aren't going
Speaker 9: to drastically change what you do offensively if you need
Speaker 9: to do it. Because we saw like it came down
Speaker 9: to the wire as far as the division goes, and
Speaker 9: one or two games that you dropped because your offensive
Speaker 9: line play wasn't great or the coach got a little
Speaker 9: because the offensive.
Speaker 7: Line wasn't in place. I think that matters.
Speaker 9: So brock Hoffman falls into that category to me, with
Speaker 9: the TJ Basses and things like that, of like, these
Speaker 9: are adequate backups that we've kind of seen be able
Speaker 9: to do some good things. I don't know if that
Speaker 9: means that they're just ready to go out there and
Speaker 9: start when you can get you know, a guy that
Speaker 9: can come in there and make a difference right away.
Speaker 5: I do think that they believe TJ. Bass could start,
Speaker 5: actually wink. I think there's a lot more confidence in
Speaker 5: Bass right now at guard than now.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Is there a lot more confidence in the idea of
Speaker 5: Bass starting at center over you know, Hoffman at center.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but in terms of just talking about
Speaker 5: Bass playing guard Hoffain playing center, I think this organization
Speaker 5: has a lot more confidence today, right now, on April
Speaker 5: twenty second, and the idea of starting at left guard
Speaker 5: than they would in Hoffman.
Speaker 7: How do you feel about that? How would you guys? Do?
Speaker 7: Do you guys think that TJ. TJ. Bass is capable
Speaker 7: of playing center?
Speaker 6: We just got to see it. We haven't really seen it.
Speaker 6: The only times we've seen it as in practice reps.
Speaker 6: We saw it a little bit in training camp reps.
Speaker 6: But you've got to see it that that's that's it.
Speaker 2: I kind of felt that way about Barton playing center
Speaker 2: right coming out of watching dude. I'm like, I've seen
Speaker 2: him play tackle, but.
Speaker 3: You know, I seen what he did freshman year though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go back and context, absolutely, But.
Speaker 3: I think with TJ. Bass, I mean, he's the guard
Speaker 3: of the future.
Speaker 2: I think he's the guard.
Speaker 6: I think he's the guard of the future, and he's
Speaker 6: probably gonna be Zach Martin's eventual replacement if he doesn't
Speaker 6: slide into left guard this next season or or if
Speaker 6: so still, but I think you just kind of need
Speaker 6: to see what he's going to do at center for
Speaker 6: me to be able to buy in completely. But I
Speaker 6: think as it sits today, there's a training camp competition
Speaker 6: lined up at center between brock Hoffman, TJ. Bass and
Speaker 6: then whatever draft pick comes in.
Speaker 7: I'm so excited for a center competition, aren't you. Guys
Speaker 7: haven't had one on this team in a minute. And
Speaker 7: that was weird too, the lack of competition there.
Speaker 9: I mean, it was just it was time to be honest,
Speaker 9: his job just because he was existing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nick, I got a question for you. Quarterback, offensive line, wide, receiver,
Speaker 2: corner back, which run is going to go first?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: Are we going like outside the top five here? I
Speaker 3: would assume.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay, so like outside those top three quarterbacks and
Speaker 6: a couple of those receivers going, let's see, let's just
Speaker 6: take a look at my mock.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stick to this.
Speaker 6: I would probably lean more towards I've just been feeling
Speaker 6: that these corners are going to come off.
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 6: I got conon Mitchell coming off at twelve, Cherry and
Speaker 6: Arnold at thirteen, Nate Wiggins at fifteen.
Speaker 2: Did you have Mitchell above or did you just do
Speaker 2: it because of the mock?
Speaker 3: I have Mitchell above as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, as well.
Speaker 6: I have Mitchell as my number one corner. I love
Speaker 6: what he brings to the table from an aggressive, aggressive
Speaker 6: standpoint press, off the line, being able to hear routes.
Speaker 6: I love what he does and what he did at
Speaker 6: Toledo those four interceptions in a game. I'm going to
Speaker 6: bring that up a million times before the end of
Speaker 6: But uh, I think I think I'm leaning towards the
Speaker 6: corners now.
Speaker 3: Could the receivers happen? Absolutely? Could the offensive line happen?
Speaker 3: I think so absolutely as well.
Speaker 6: You got Joe Alton tell the essay, Fuaga and my
Speaker 6: mock that are going before Mitchell. But I think I
Speaker 6: think teams start looking up at pick twelve, and Denver's
Speaker 6: gonna be looking to parachute back.
Speaker 11: Probably.
Speaker 6: I think if they don't go up and get McCarthy
Speaker 6: and someone's gonna hop up to twelve, I think, and
Speaker 6: get a corner. That's that's kind of what I'm thinking,
Speaker 6: and it starts to run.
Speaker 2: Bobby listening to go ahead, I show try to ask.
Speaker 7: Why do you know your host?
Speaker 2: No go ahead?
Speaker 9: I was gonna ask, why do you think there's gonna
Speaker 9: be a run on corner with corner?
Speaker 7: Again? With how deep corner.
Speaker 9: Is, because yeah, these guys are the top guys, but
Speaker 9: when you get into the second round you find good
Speaker 9: things and a lot of even the second round guys,
Speaker 9: So why do you think that they will go get corner.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you look at those names at the top and
Speaker 6: you and you see them slip into twelve, and I
Speaker 6: think that's that's probably where they go and be aggressive.
Speaker 6: This is just a guess here. Complete guests this board
Speaker 6: and fall a million different ways. But I think when
Speaker 6: they look at twelve and Quannon, Mitchell and Terry and
Speaker 6: Arnold are still on the board, people start getting on
Speaker 6: the phon because those are two good of talents to
Speaker 6: not go in the top ten.
Speaker 2: Bobby Nick thinks the draft is going to start at twelve.
Speaker 4: You there with him, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, look the way the uh right about that, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's probably I've heard it twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard it twice.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Look, I mean the the way, the way all these
Speaker 5: stories are starting to come out about Jayden Daniels is
Speaker 5: not sure of his uh wants to know what options
Speaker 5: he might have other than the Commanders at number two, Like,
Speaker 5: I mean that that could kind of throw a monkey
Speaker 5: wrench into things. Obviously, who comes up and gets either
Speaker 5: the Arizona pick or the Chargers pick, which is what
Speaker 5: we assume. It may not happen, but if you know
Speaker 5: who the Vikings are assumed to want to come up
Speaker 5: and get a quarterback or something like that. So I
Speaker 5: mean there's there's some fluidity, uh in the in the
Speaker 5: top ten, but I mean, yeah, right around eleven somewhere
Speaker 5: in there, especially since that's the Vikings pick. Like whoever
Speaker 5: trades down there, how things shift. I mean, I think
Speaker 5: you'll start seeing some wild stuff happen there. But I
Speaker 5: mean in terms of the run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask you where you think the using.
Speaker 5: Offensive line like to me, because it's just it's so
Speaker 5: that there's so many good offensive linemen at the top
Speaker 5: but it's just it's like once you get past like
Speaker 5: a collection of eight to ten guys, it just it
Speaker 5: drops in the.
Speaker 4: Quality pretty quickly.
Speaker 5: So I think like teams are going to just be like,
Speaker 5: got to get one of these eight to ten if
Speaker 5: we want an offensive lineman, let's do this now, like
Speaker 5: we need to get So I think alt Fashion, New Latham,
Speaker 5: Fuaga suamata Ea, MEM's got Like you start going down
Speaker 5: the list, I think that by the time we get
Speaker 5: out of the top fifty picks, most of those are going.
Speaker 4: To be gone.
Speaker 2: Aisha though offensive line run bad for cowboys.
Speaker 9: Right, I mean, yeah, But the way that we've talked
Speaker 9: about it is like even if they if there is
Speaker 9: a run, there's a possibility that you mean you mentioned,
Speaker 9: I think that there somebody's going to be there, that.
Speaker 7: They're interested, that you have some interest.
Speaker 9: In if it falls correctly, especially if it doesn't start
Speaker 9: to twelve, right, and especially if they don't start boogeing
Speaker 9: to twelve.
Speaker 7: So I mean, I think I think it could be harmful.
Speaker 9: But then also too, you brought up, and you brought
Speaker 9: up multiple times that the best player on the board might.
Speaker 7: Be a defensive play.
Speaker 9: Yeah, at that point If that happens and people just
Speaker 9: like I want all the offensive linemen.
Speaker 2: Nick, will everybody go nuts if they pick an off
Speaker 2: they pick a defensive player at twenty four.
Speaker 6: I don't think everybody would go super nuts, but there'd
Speaker 6: be some questions, especially if it's like Biron Murphy that
Speaker 6: plays at three tech, or if they parachute back to
Speaker 6: like thirty and take Edrian Cooper or Peyton Wilson. In
Speaker 6: that sense, then I think there would definitely be some
Speaker 6: questions that would have to be answered that night one
Speaker 6: press conference.
Speaker 2: If you back up to thirty, Bobby linebacker or maybe
Speaker 2: Fraser at center. I mean, that's how I would look
Speaker 2: at it. If you backed up to thirty and we
Speaker 2: went through all the and you guys did a great
Speaker 2: job the other day when we went to the trade
Speaker 2: back scenarios of kind of we've all determined that we
Speaker 2: want Kansas City to call right now is who we
Speaker 2: would like. But Bobby, if you were to trade back,
Speaker 2: is it still one of those offensive tackles. Is it
Speaker 2: the center now now? Or could the best player on
Speaker 2: the board be a defensive player? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean, man, if you pick up the extra draft capital,
Speaker 5: then I don't have a problem if you go back
Speaker 5: and say we're going to take Cooper here at Texas
Speaker 5: A and M.
Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 5: So you depending on how much capital you pick up,
Speaker 5: say what can I get because I mean, I think
Speaker 5: this is a relatively deep draft at other spots that
Speaker 5: they need. And so if they pick up extra capitol
Speaker 5: and say, hey, we can get you know, Cooper here,
Speaker 5: because I think that that's a bigger ask to expect
Speaker 5: that he's going to make it to you in the
Speaker 5: second round or to be there later, then some of
Speaker 5: these centers that you might like that could get to
Speaker 5: you in the second or third round. I don't know
Speaker 5: if Fraser gets there in the second round, maybe I
Speaker 5: don't know, but I mean like that you are going
Speaker 5: to have other options there, like Norzad and Van Prant
Speaker 5: and guys like that that I think with the extra pick, yeah,
Speaker 5: with the extra pick, but then like you're still addressing
Speaker 5: some of the other things that you need to do. So
Speaker 5: I don't have a problem that they if they take
Speaker 5: Cooper back there, I would I would feel like going
Speaker 5: back to thirty two making Fraser at least just for me,
Speaker 5: would be a little bit of a reach compared to
Speaker 5: where I have other centers like he would be the
Speaker 5: third one, but there's enough clustered around it, whereas with Cooper,
Speaker 5: like right behind him, you're talking about like Peyton Wilson,
Speaker 5: who's a really good player, but there's obviously a ton
Speaker 5: of questions medically, and then after that there's a significant drop.
Speaker 5: I don't love the linebacker class. So if you can
Speaker 5: get Cooper, I think you can get away with center
Speaker 5: third round something like that.
Speaker 2: I issue you want to follow up with anything on that?
Speaker 7: All right, I'm sorry, no, no, I was just listening.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, one thing about my mark about going back
Speaker 6: to the runs, I just kind of counted before pick
Speaker 6: twenty four, six offensive lineman coming off the board and
Speaker 6: three corners. But I just have those three corners coming
Speaker 6: off a little bit quicker. But I still expect there
Speaker 6: to be a run on offensive lineman. I still do
Speaker 6: before twenty four. And that's man, We're gonna be sitting
Speaker 6: around pick eighteen, pick nineteen on Thursday night just praying
Speaker 6: that there's not another tackle that comes off the board
Speaker 6: or another center that comes off the board.
Speaker 2: All right, With that being said, though, on the potential run,
Speaker 2: how willing are you all before we go to break,
Speaker 2: How willing are you you guys to just sit there
Speaker 2: and let it happen and not trade up and not
Speaker 2: trade up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's where it gets interesting. Because you don't
Speaker 6: have a ton of draft capital this year. You probably
Speaker 6: don't want to sacrifice some next year, even though you
Speaker 6: are expecting comp picks next year. It just depends what
Speaker 6: kind of assets you're willing to give up.
Speaker 4: I don't think you can do it.
Speaker 3: I don't think you can.
Speaker 4: Like I mean, they're just there.
Speaker 5: They've made a conscious decision to Barton address the depth
Speaker 5: through the even Barton at nineteen. It sucks. It's a
Speaker 5: reality of the draft that sucks. But I mean to me,
Speaker 5: it's like you, you've made a conscious decision to replence
Speaker 5: your depth through this draft, and that's the how to
Speaker 5: fourth round pick.
Speaker 4: You can't give up anymore.
Speaker 7: H Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 9: I mean, I just think they don't have Like I
Speaker 9: said before, they haven't done anything. This is their money
Speaker 9: maker right now, so they need to go in and
Speaker 9: go in there with the mindset that they have to
Speaker 9: get better. So however they decide to do that, you're
Speaker 9: saying you don't think that they should ransom ani picks
Speaker 9: for next year or anything like that.
Speaker 5: No, Like I mean, I think like the the the
Speaker 5: extra capital that they have being in the like fifth round,
Speaker 5: I don't think that that's gonna be enough that somebody
Speaker 5: will be like, yeah, I'll take a fifth round or
Speaker 5: next year, I'll let you move up five spots in
Speaker 5: the first round. So you don't have the cap and
Speaker 5: the capitol it would take to move up using next
Speaker 5: to your stuff, like you you're gonna start depleting again
Speaker 5: the top. It's a little bit of your chasing your
Speaker 5: tail after that. To me, it's I'd much rather either
Speaker 5: stand in and pick or move back and try to
Speaker 5: pick up something else. To me, like it really doesn't
Speaker 5: matter who it is, Trading up is not something I
Speaker 5: would want to do.
Speaker 2: So we're a team now of like we're interested if
Speaker 2: we don't have our guy below the hatches and go
Speaker 2: and die for the bottom, right yep? Okay man, Yeah
Speaker 2: that's tough. Yeah, that's tough. You know, that's tough because
Speaker 2: to me, I just think there's so much I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of unknown there, you know, and then
Speaker 2: if you're not willing, like you say, you seem like
Speaker 2: we're I don't know, kind of willing. Oh we won't
Speaker 2: take Frasier might be a reach. I don't look at
Speaker 2: it really that way myself.
Speaker 4: Oh that's just like, yeah, this is on my they
Speaker 4: may not view it that way.
Speaker 5: And if they look if they evaluated Zach Frasier's being
Speaker 5: somebody that they felt comfortable with taking at thirty, yeah,
Speaker 5: like I'm gonna assume they've got him more right than
Speaker 5: I do, because they've got a track record of having
Speaker 5: guys all right now.
Speaker 2: And you're right, No, you're right. And I just like
Speaker 2: I said, I know he doesn't get to you at
Speaker 2: fifty six. I know that for a fact. So anyway,
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna take a first break and we
Speaker 2: come back. We're gonna get to your Twitter questions. And
Speaker 2: then after that though, I got some more questions for
Speaker 2: my scout buddies here. We'll do that all next.
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Speaker 2: on Twitter is from Let's Talk Ball. Let's Talk Ball
Speaker 2: says say, your team is definitely picking one of either
Speaker 2: Peyton Wilson or Jonathan Brooks in the second round. Which
Speaker 2: one do you want and why?
Speaker 4: Nick?
Speaker 2: I'll go to you first on that one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So on my board, I'm going to stick to it.
Speaker 6: I would take Peyton Wilson just based on what he
Speaker 6: brings to the table like this. I think he the
Speaker 6: medical concerns are there, yes, and from what we've heard,
Speaker 6: it's not you know, there's not anything that makes you
Speaker 6: feel great about where he is medically. But you can
Speaker 6: look at the past two seasons, him staying healthy these
Speaker 6: last two seasons for the wolf Pack, what he was
Speaker 6: able to do on the field, what he was able
Speaker 6: to test at the combine. You see all that athleticism,
Speaker 6: what he can do. I want him in that second level,
Speaker 6: flying around the field. I think you could still get
Speaker 6: a really good running back in the third round that
Speaker 6: you can throw in into the RB one conversation next year.
Speaker 6: Whereas if you're looking at the linebacker position after Drian Cooper,
Speaker 6: Peyton Wilson, there's a little bit of a drop off there,
Speaker 6: in my opinion, after Junior Colson as well, there's a
Speaker 6: little bit of a drop off there, and you'd have
Speaker 6: to be comfortable taking a guy there in the third
Speaker 6: round or on Day three that you feel like a compete.
Speaker 6: I feel like Peyton Wilson would be more of an
Speaker 6: immediate contributor in that sense, but I think you can
Speaker 6: get a running back there in the third round as well.
Speaker 6: It'd be tough for me to pass on Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 6: So I love Jay Brooks.
Speaker 2: Aisha Oh, I was like, I was looking for Bobby.
Speaker 7: I want to bounce off Bobby. Bobby, what'd you got?
Speaker 13: Uh?
Speaker 4: You know it, Brooks.
Speaker 5: And it's nothing to do with Texas. It's got everything
Speaker 5: to do with it. It's no, no, no, it has
Speaker 5: nothing to it has nothing to do with the Texas stuff.
Speaker 5: It has everything to do with Uh. You know, we
Speaker 5: we have Dame Brugler on here, Dame Brugler from straight
Speaker 5: from his draft guy talking about you're talking about double
Speaker 5: digit surgery since senior year of high school. And it's
Speaker 5: not just well, it's this one knig and probably no,
Speaker 5: it's both knees, it's a shoulder, it's this, it's that,
Speaker 5: it's he's already twenty four years old.
Speaker 4: He's a really good player.
Speaker 5: To me, again, we're talking about the the margins are
Speaker 5: so thin in terms of making sure your depth is
Speaker 5: set for this next year and what you have moving forward.
Speaker 5: We saw just what an unexpected injury and to Marvin
Speaker 5: Overshown did last year at linebacker for the Cowboys, and
Speaker 5: there's a little bit.
Speaker 4: Of an expectation.
Speaker 5: I would think with Peyton Wilson, like he's going to
Speaker 5: get hurt at some point, and even if he stayed
Speaker 5: healthy for two years, something will happen at some point,
Speaker 5: and I just I don't know that they can have
Speaker 5: their depth challenged on that. With Brooks, there's nothing long
Speaker 5: term about Brooks's health. Everything you hear is that he
Speaker 5: is salt of the earth, high character, high football character
Speaker 5: kind of guy. And to me, he's the best running
Speaker 5: back in the draft. So to me, it's not very
Speaker 5: difficult because I think as you're trying to minimize risk
Speaker 5: and you know, build the best possible team. Again, to me,
Speaker 5: Brooks is higher on my stack to begin with, and
Speaker 5: then the risk is so much less with Brooks compared
Speaker 5: to Wilson.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean for me, as far as Brooks goes, Yeah,
Speaker 9: he's the safer pig. Yeah, sure, he's a safer pick
Speaker 9: as far as you know. You talk about the injury
Speaker 9: history and all that stuff.
Speaker 7: But I struggle.
Speaker 9: But I'm telling I'm I I can't wait to be
Speaker 9: able to hear some of these conversations in these war
Speaker 9: rooms after saw said and done with the conversations of
Speaker 9: Peyton Wilson. And I think for this team in particular,
Speaker 9: you need a mic like you need a mic, even
Speaker 9: if it's of the future. And this is to me
Speaker 9: the best mic in this draft, maybe one of the
Speaker 9: best mics we've seen in a minute. And how he communicates,
Speaker 9: how he processes, and I think Nick brings up a
Speaker 9: good point of what he showed at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 9: What he's been this last couple of years, I can't imagine.
Speaker 9: I wonder has anybody asked him what he puts into
Speaker 9: his body, how much work he's put into his body
Speaker 9: to even be able to stay healthy last couple of years.
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, Peyton Wilson is a star, I think,
Speaker 9: and so it is hard in that regard. But I
Speaker 9: think Jonathan Brooks is a safe pick as we as
Speaker 9: we sit here right now in chefty.
Speaker 7: Post that Brooks is connected to the team. You know,
Speaker 7: we know that right now.
Speaker 2: Watch the draft show, right, I'm standing at that table
Speaker 2: with those dice in my hand, Nick, I'm standing there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 3: Peyton Wilson.
Speaker 7: Yes, it's a serious to me. It's hard.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm standing there and I'm looking at you guys,
Speaker 2: putting your chips where they need to be because we're
Speaker 2: about that, We're about to flip these dice.
Speaker 3: I wut a tier.
Speaker 6: I will be shutting a tier while those dice are
Speaker 6: flying because I love Jay Brooks.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 7: Who do you have ahead of fame Wilson.
Speaker 4: No, I'm said Brooks. I have Brooks as as.
Speaker 2: Great asby Bobby's betting on me, snake.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing I think, I think again, when you
Speaker 5: watch that, they've made certain Now, look, they've got a
Speaker 5: long history of taking red flag players, medically red flagged
Speaker 5: players in the second round. They've got a long history
Speaker 5: of taking medical flagged linebackers Bruce Carter, Shanlee, Jaylen Smith,
Speaker 5: DeMont Clark, most recently Layton vander sh like they've they've
Speaker 5: done it consistently, so they're not afraid to do it.
Speaker 4: But I do think that, like we got to put
Speaker 4: into the context.
Speaker 5: Here as well, that they said we need more reliability,
Speaker 5: So we are willing to walk away from Hall of
Speaker 5: Fame left tackle and put ourselves in a position to
Speaker 5: where we're kind of in need walking into the draft.
Speaker 5: So if they were that concerned about reliability on that
Speaker 5: front and affordability, I don't know why they would want
Speaker 5: to put themselves in that position at linebacker again after
Speaker 5: they've clearly made some stuff like hey, we need we
Speaker 5: need more availability. We need to know who's going to
Speaker 5: be consistently available, and that's just never been Peyton Wilson
Speaker 5: in his entire college career. But he's really good. He's
Speaker 5: a fun player. If you told me he'll be healthy
Speaker 5: for ten years, Brian, I'll sure go.
Speaker 4: Run it up there.
Speaker 2: I'm channeling my I'm channeling it. Yes, And there's some
Speaker 2: fate here with his son in the draft. There's some
Speaker 2: there's some Yeah, I'm feeling it.
Speaker 9: Do you think some of that confidence though, comes from
Speaker 9: like I wouldn't, I don't want to, I don't want to.
Speaker 7: Say the wrong thing, but to your welcome to the draft.
Speaker 9: But Bobby brings up the fact that they might be
Speaker 9: more hesitant because of the recent history. And then also too,
Speaker 9: you know, they've they've they've done, they've seen what it's
Speaker 9: like to get a second round player, have do their surgery,
Speaker 9: do all their medical and all this stuff, and then
Speaker 9: and then they're not on this team or they're injured often.
Speaker 9: So I wonder though, if there is some I mean
Speaker 9: some arrogance there about what they're capable of doing in
Speaker 9: this building from them, especially from a medical standpoint, and
Speaker 9: their team doctors being as good as they are and
Speaker 9: all that stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's I don't think it's arrogance.
Speaker 14: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know, no, no, no, I know, I know.
Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's uh where they're comfortable
Speaker 5: taking calculated risk, and they typically have said like will
Speaker 5: bank on talent versus the risk, like if we're there
Speaker 5: in the second round. A lot of times in the
Speaker 5: first round they're banking on projections raw talent, whatever else.
Speaker 5: But I mean, there haven't been like a whole lot
Speaker 5: of you know, medical concern or you know, character flag
Speaker 5: players that they've taken in the first round. They generally
Speaker 5: are are more just making evaluation, picking the player and
Speaker 5: going with it. They're vander Esh was obviously a first
Speaker 5: round pick, and they requires there. But I think that
Speaker 5: what they've shown is they believe that the second round
Speaker 5: in is area where they're willing to roll the dice
Speaker 5: and take some risks on the opportunity to potentially have
Speaker 5: two players that they think are first round worthy, like okay, cool,
Speaker 5: we'll do that in the second round.
Speaker 4: We'll take that risk.
Speaker 8: There.
Speaker 5: They're less willing to make the risk when there's probably
Speaker 5: a lot of other first round players around their pick
Speaker 5: and so let's go something a little safer, Whereas in
Speaker 5: the second round it may be, well, that's the last
Speaker 5: guy who's a first round type of talent, and nobody
Speaker 5: wants touching because the medicals, we'll chance it, we're gonna
Speaker 5: roll the dice on. I don't think it's necessarily that
Speaker 5: they think they're more equipped than everybody else to handle it.
Speaker 2: Good conversations, all right, Josh Weaver wants to know, and Nick,
Speaker 2: I'll start with you on this one. It's good we're
Speaker 2: speaking of linebackers. Can you give them some Can you
Speaker 2: give them some Day three linebackers Day three Day three
Speaker 2: significant playing time this year that are drafted by the.
Speaker 3: Cowboys significant playing time.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna start with that part of the question first,
Speaker 6: just because you would have to, you would have to
Speaker 6: figure out how they get around to Marvey and over
Speaker 6: shown Damon Clark and Bark Kendricks. Yeah, but let's let's
Speaker 6: let's let's bite for a second some Day three guys
Speaker 6: that they have been interested in throughout the process. You
Speaker 6: can look at Jordan McGee out of Temple. You can
Speaker 6: look at John Trey Hunter out of Georgia State. You
Speaker 6: could look at Curtis Jacobs out of Penn State, and
Speaker 6: Nathaniel Watson out Mississippi State. I know there's are four names,
Speaker 6: really quick. Let me dive into those each individually really quick.
Speaker 6: Jordan McGee more of a narrow guy that you could
Speaker 6: you would like to see play in space. He's good
Speaker 6: in coverage, but might need to bulk up a bit.
Speaker 6: Even though he is about two twenty five to twenty seven.
Speaker 6: He could add probably ten fifteen pounds to be able
Speaker 6: to be a run stopper if he wanted to, or
Speaker 6: you could stay at that weight in kind of Roaman
Speaker 6: coverage there on on third down. John Trey Hunter actually
Speaker 6: very much of the same kind of skill set. I
Speaker 6: like McGhee a little bit better than Hunter. Nathaniel Watson.
Speaker 6: That's the guy who's gonna, you know, come downhill and
Speaker 6: then be able to make those tackles in the run game.
Speaker 6: He almost did that exclusively for the Bulldogs last year.
Speaker 6: He was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year last year.
Speaker 3: Curtis Jacobs.
Speaker 6: I think this is one of the more fun Day
Speaker 6: three backer options just because he's versatile. He can do
Speaker 6: both of these things. I think he's still got a
Speaker 6: ton of upside that you can add to his game.
Speaker 6: This is a guy that I think a couple of
Speaker 6: years from now, if you have to move on from
Speaker 6: Kendricks after this season, I think this is a guy
Speaker 6: who could be ready to step in on Day two.
Speaker 6: A couple of other names I want to throw out there,
Speaker 6: ty Reese Knight out of UTEP.
Speaker 3: I really love his athletics.
Speaker 2: That's what I was hoping you would mention.
Speaker 6: Man his athleticism is awesome and to be able to
Speaker 6: bring a minor over from lpass so that'd be super
Speaker 6: cool to have once again in the building. And then
Speaker 6: a last name, I'll throw out that he was really
Speaker 6: productive for Washington last year and was huge in their
Speaker 6: playoff run at Afuano Lafochio. I think he's he's a
Speaker 6: guy that can be more well rounded as well. Ceiling
Speaker 6: probably not as high as Curtis Jacobs is, but I
Speaker 6: still like his upside.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I wanted to comment on Curtis Jacobs. We
Speaker 9: got to we had the pleasure of meeting him at
Speaker 9: the Shrine Bowl. But I want to say, though you're
Speaker 9: talking about like he hasn't really had a lot of
Speaker 9: injury issues or whatever, but this this, this is this
Speaker 9: is old man a little bit like he's he's he's
Speaker 9: played a lot of football, which is a good thing.
Speaker 9: It's it's a good thing. But I also understand that
Speaker 9: there's tread on those tires. As far as how much
Speaker 9: he's played in his gleat career was like fifth year,
Speaker 9: six year. I think he played five six years if
Speaker 9: I'm not mistaken from what he told us. But I
Speaker 9: think I agree with Nick that I do think that
Speaker 9: he would be a cool Day one guy to be
Speaker 9: able to Day three guy to pick up and bring
Speaker 9: in here that can really develop into someone that can
Speaker 9: really be the quarterback right up there on a second level.
Speaker 9: But then also too, he does come with some experience
Speaker 9: because he's played so much football.
Speaker 3: Right right, hey, forty five games for a four year guy.
Speaker 2: Forty five games good insight right there.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean I do like the name John Trey Hunter.
Speaker 5: I think that that's a good one. I think that
Speaker 5: that's somebody who can you know, he can play inside
Speaker 5: or outside. He's more well built, I think than a
Speaker 5: lot of the linebackers that we've seen this one. He's
Speaker 5: a break I think that when you watch the tape
Speaker 5: against LSU, like you see him against big competition, you
Speaker 5: see him making a difference, and those are the kind
Speaker 5: of games that you really need to zero in on
Speaker 5: and feel like you're you're getting NFL level competition or
Speaker 5: high level competition prepared for the NFL. But the other
Speaker 5: elementared here is Steel Chambers at Ohio State, who's a
Speaker 5: converted running back, and I think he's somebody who consistently
Speaker 5: feels like we've talked about you know, with linebackers here
Speaker 5: over the last couple of years that you know, okay,
Speaker 5: what are their abilities to you know, read and react?
Speaker 5: How good are their instincts things like that. That that
Speaker 5: is the one area where he's really good. And I
Speaker 5: don't know if that comes from being a converted running back,
Speaker 5: but I mean he really does seem to see it
Speaker 5: quickly and attack it and plays discipely.
Speaker 4: The biggest problem with him is he's light. He's like
Speaker 4: two twenty five.
Speaker 2: I deal with a lot of these guys in Day
Speaker 2: three like that, aren't we. Yeah, some lighter type players.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's light. He's he's gonna and it shows up.
Speaker 5: There are times he has struggle getting off of blocks.
Speaker 5: He doesn't play with a lot of power. But I think,
Speaker 5: you know, if you get him here and you feel like, hey,
Speaker 5: we can fill out that frame a little bit, I
Speaker 5: think the instincts are fantastic. It's gonna be really hard,
Speaker 5: I think, to find anybody who can come in and
Speaker 5: start for you at linebacker this year on Day three.
Speaker 5: But I do think that Stell Chambers is somebody that
Speaker 5: interests me as a project.
Speaker 9: It's crazy that you bring him up because I've talked
Speaker 9: about him on Girls Talk, Boys Talk a couple.
Speaker 2: Times, and.
Speaker 9: I think to your point, with the instincts and being
Speaker 9: able to I if still doesn't it's still Chambers doesn't
Speaker 9: do anything. He to me, because he is a little lighter,
Speaker 9: he can be your special team's ace. I think he's
Speaker 9: a guy that can come onto your team, your special teams,
Speaker 9: and make a difference immediately as well because of the instincts,
Speaker 9: because of the way he's been able to He's able
Speaker 9: to read and react, and I do think he can
Speaker 9: develop and maybe put on a little bit more sized,
Speaker 9: a little bit more weight because he is a little
Speaker 9: lighting as sometimes. But I do think he does show
Speaker 9: some of that decisiveness that you are looking for from
Speaker 9: a linebacker.
Speaker 7: But I personally think if a team gets a hold
Speaker 7: of him, he.
Speaker 9: Can really really really make your special teams better immediately
Speaker 9: with how he plays.
Speaker 2: If I can mention, I don't know if you guys
Speaker 2: have seen this guy. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: linebackers that look at real quick and but JD. Bertrand
Speaker 2: from Notre Dame. Okay, I'm just going to say a
Speaker 2: couple of things about him. He's six tenties two thirty five.
Speaker 2: He is one of the quickest readers of scheme that
Speaker 2: I've seen. Of these linebackers, There's been some good ones,
Speaker 2: but I think this guy his ability to process information
Speaker 2: quickly and react to the play. He's got a quick
Speaker 2: trigger to way he plays. He's downhill, he's a good tackler,
Speaker 2: he can fill, he plays in space. The instincts. This
Speaker 2: might be a Day three guy that I don't know
Speaker 2: if the Cowboys particularly like him, but I know watching
Speaker 2: him play pre snap, letting his teammates know what's about
Speaker 2: to happen the fundamentals. Maybe he doesn't have the greatest
Speaker 2: athletic ability and the lack of length might hurt him
Speaker 2: some in the NFL, but man, he made it work
Speaker 2: for this Irish defense and the way he played. So
Speaker 2: keep an eye on a guy J D. Bertrand from
Speaker 2: a Notre Dame.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen him yet, but looking at his combin
Speaker 5: photo here, he's got a first round grade of jaw line.
Speaker 4: He looks like a superhero.
Speaker 2: He's a square built guy for sure. Okay, our final
Speaker 2: question for you guys on Twitter on the twenty would
Speaker 2: any of you guys be surprised if Johnny Newton, the
Speaker 2: defensive tackle from Illinois, would be the pick at twenty
Speaker 2: four that's coming from Raoul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would surprise me. It would be fun.
Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong, but yeah, it would surprise me
Speaker 6: a It's kind of the same reason we talked about
Speaker 6: why Byron Murphy would be a little bit of a surprise.
Speaker 6: I feel like Johnny Newton would be even more of
Speaker 6: a surprise, only because you know, he was a guy
Speaker 6: that they really haven't done a ton of homework on
Speaker 6: over the course of the draft process, didn't have a
Speaker 6: formal with him at the combine, didn't bring him in
Speaker 6: for a thirty. So I think to pull the trigger
Speaker 6: on him at twenty four would be would be definitely
Speaker 6: it would definitely be interesting. I kind of I think
Speaker 6: I have him going twenty seven in my mad twenty
Speaker 6: six to the Buccaneers, so he could be right in
Speaker 6: that range. But man, he is fun. He'd be violent
Speaker 6: pass rusher. He's a guy that I think he can
Speaker 6: line up inside outside. He moves like he's two, but
Speaker 6: he's not. He's He's fun.
Speaker 9: Be funny because I literally, as soon as you said
Speaker 9: the Bucks, I pictured him in a Bucks Jersey and
Speaker 9: it looks right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, him going back home to Florida, that'd be fun.
Speaker 7: No, it looks right in my mind. Uh yeah, I agree.
Speaker 9: I guess I would be surprised, But correct me if
Speaker 9: I'm wrong. Did we have him from any type of
Speaker 9: Did the Cowboys have a thirty visit with what was
Speaker 9: the offensive lineman that they were going back and forth
Speaker 9: with Mazia about run?
Speaker 7: Did they have a thirty visit with him?
Speaker 2: I'd have to look that up real quick here.
Speaker 9: I don't believe that. I don't believe if I'm remembering correctly.
Speaker 9: We didn't start. I think we didn't think about him
Speaker 9: until the week of right like we had talked about it.
Speaker 7: We had talked about him as a player, but they
Speaker 7: hadn't really.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden he's showing up.
Speaker 9: He wouldn't publicly like did he have a thirty visit?
Speaker 4: I know that I don't remember. I know they met
Speaker 4: with him at the combine and stuff, But.
Speaker 7: That's just what came to my mind.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The bigger thing with that is just.
Speaker 5: The on bergeron like that that filled something that they needed.
Speaker 5: And this year it feels like you've got even more
Speaker 5: challenging depth issues, and that's one area where it's like, well,
Speaker 5: your starter's in place, like you've got a three technique.
Speaker 5: So I would be surprised if it was any three
Speaker 5: technique with that first. But if it was Byron Murphy,
Speaker 5: if it was Johnny Newton, I would be really surprised
Speaker 5: if they picked a three technique defensive tackle in the
Speaker 5: first two days.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, appreciate all the questions there on Twitter
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Speaker 2: segment of the day, Bobby, I want to ask you
Speaker 2: this question. Your second round graded player who you wouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprised ends up getting taken in the first or
Speaker 2: maybe higher. If you look at your board, who's the
Speaker 2: one second round player?
Speaker 4: I just know somebody I have great in the third
Speaker 4: round will go second overall. So there's that. So I'm
Speaker 4: gonna adjust a little bit.
Speaker 2: Do you hate does is it there? Does he hate
Speaker 2: the LSU quarterback that much?
Speaker 3: Shrike May?
Speaker 4: I think?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, Daniels, Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, poor Man's Lamar Jackson. I'll pass.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know the guy that you know studied, We talked,
Speaker 3: we talked about it.
Speaker 4: Calm down, l s U.
Speaker 2: Okay, Brooks over the really good linebacker.
Speaker 4: All right, all right, well look I look at it.
Speaker 2: Second round guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Eddrian Cooper. I think Edrin Cooper is a guy
Speaker 5: who very easily could end up back into the first round.
Speaker 5: And obviously I mean like we've.
Speaker 2: Maybe even higher than the back of the second round or.
Speaker 4: Or sorry, back into the first round.
Speaker 5: Like he's he's the guy that I have in the
Speaker 5: second that I think could because I think there's teams
Speaker 5: that probably have him as the top linebacker and are
Speaker 5: willing to say, hey, if we have a need here,
Speaker 5: we're need to say if you look at like the
Speaker 5: when we get to the conference championship games. One of
Speaker 5: the things that's funny because we're sitting here talking about
Speaker 5: potentially these could be the Cowboys first two picks. If
Speaker 5: you look at the center position and you look at
Speaker 5: the linebackers on the four teams that finished in the
Speaker 5: conference finals this year, it's they they all were really,
Speaker 5: really good.
Speaker 4: And they've all invested there.
Speaker 5: San Francisco, Kansas City, Baltimore, Detroit, they've all invested in
Speaker 5: those positions. They've all had quality players there. And I
Speaker 5: think that Cooper is a guy who it became a
Speaker 5: little bit like linebacker was it felt like was the
Speaker 5: running back of defense for a little bit in terms
Speaker 5: of how people were valuing it. It feels like people
Speaker 5: are kind of coming back around and saying, no, there's
Speaker 5: some value here. You can't just throw anybody out there.
Speaker 5: And so I think Cooper because of need, you know,
Speaker 5: lack of talent at the position at the top end,
Speaker 5: I think Cooper could get you know, somebody could grab
Speaker 5: him back into the first.
Speaker 9: For me, you know, Nick talks about the run on
Speaker 9: cornerback happening. I look at all these cornerbacks out side
Speaker 9: of outside of Keon Mitchell, and I look at Terry
Speaker 9: and Arnold and I like the player, but there are
Speaker 9: some things I didn't like Wiggins. You talk about the side,
Speaker 9: I think that Cooper Degene from Iowa could.
Speaker 7: Definitely be someone that someone takes in the first round.
Speaker 9: This guy, when I watched him, and again I think
Speaker 9: key On Mitchell was fantastic. I really don't think he's
Speaker 9: that far away from being that complete corner that can
Speaker 9: do it all.
Speaker 7: He can play in zone, he can play in man.
Speaker 9: He's disciplined, he has good size, he's a strong tackler,
Speaker 9: multi sport athlete. The guy's done it all, very productive
Speaker 9: in his time in Iowa. We know how the rest
Speaker 9: of the league view some of these Iowa players, but
Speaker 9: this guy is just a dog and he's he's just
Speaker 9: he's consistent, and we talk about we talk about Jackson,
Speaker 9: Parish Bowers, Johnson and just the consistency. I feel like
Speaker 9: Cooper Degene has kind of suffered a little bit from
Speaker 9: that is that he's so consistent that you almost forget
Speaker 9: about him. And I'm not gonna let people forget about him.
Speaker 9: I think the rest of the I think there are
Speaker 9: people that might be okay with taking him in the
Speaker 9: first round even over like a Wiggins, just because of
Speaker 9: the size and some of those things. So that's just me,
Speaker 9: that's how I feel. Because if there's a run, it's
Speaker 9: gonna have to be more than two guys. You can't
Speaker 9: have like three guys. It can't just be two guys
Speaker 9: in that first round.
Speaker 6: So I'm very interested to see if whoever takes Cooper
Speaker 6: Degini throws him in special team situations because he was so.
Speaker 7: Funny and then sprinkling that too.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean this is this is an exciting, multifaceted player,
Speaker 9: and I think teams value that. But you also get
Speaker 9: a corner that you know is gonna come in right away,
Speaker 9: and you talk about the confidence, you talk about how
Speaker 9: intelligent he is. I think he could come in and
Speaker 9: hold it down.
Speaker 3: So that's my guy, Yeah, my safety one.
Speaker 9: That's that's my safety you So, Patty, I think I think,
Speaker 9: I think I think people might look at Tirian Arnold
Speaker 9: as a safety.
Speaker 2: I want to get into that.
Speaker 9: No, I'm not gonna get into it like that because
Speaker 9: we've talked about it before. I just think the length
Speaker 9: and some of the stuff he does, I think that
Speaker 9: some people might look at him as a safety guy.
Speaker 2: Detroit went from being what a kind of a corner
Speaker 2: or some branch branch boy. He played well for them,
Speaker 2: played in the slot too, and stuff like that. Who
Speaker 2: do you got, man?
Speaker 5: What you got?
Speaker 6: You got the second So I only have nineteen first
Speaker 6: round grades. So there's a lot, honestly that I that
Speaker 6: will be picked in the second round obviously. So I'm
Speaker 6: gonna kind of the outside of the box here a
Speaker 6: little bit, and not even too far outside the box.
Speaker 6: Ladd McConkey out of Georgia, Yeah, I know, that's it's
Speaker 6: a it's a name that's been very hot.
Speaker 2: I guess I'll get to my next question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for late in the first round.
Speaker 6: Teams like him. Teams really like when he shuts to
Speaker 6: the table. As far as lining up inside, lining up outside.
Speaker 6: You see his athleticism. All of the concerns that I
Speaker 6: think he had coming into the draft process from an
Speaker 6: athletic perspective, he has answered so for teams at least,
Speaker 6: and I think he's a guy that'll probably end up
Speaker 6: late first round potentially. And then Darius Robinson out of
Speaker 6: Missouri Edge, he's just picking up so much steam to
Speaker 6: be a late first round pick. And I had heard
Speaker 6: that in Mobile. That was the first time I had
Speaker 6: heard that. Hey, Derys Trump is it's going to be
Speaker 6: a first round pick. And I'm still standing on that.
Speaker 6: I think I'm going to stick to who told me that,
Speaker 6: So give me those two guys.
Speaker 7: I believe that.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 7: What about the test? What happened with him?
Speaker 8: Was it?
Speaker 3: Was it the Darius Robinson?
Speaker 9: But yeah, I felt like I felt like people stopped
Speaker 9: talking up the media folks.
Speaker 7: Yeah, us folks. I think we stopped talking.
Speaker 9: About him after the combine because it wasn't super special,
Speaker 9: you know what I'm saying, Like he didn't stand out
Speaker 9: like that, But when you watch the tape, he's just
Speaker 9: this freaking book.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when you're a two hundred and eighty pound edge,
Speaker 6: I don't think a combine is necessarily your your your
Speaker 6: best friend necessarily from like a testing perspective. But as
Speaker 6: far as him being able to line up anywhere from
Speaker 6: three tech outside to seven, I think I think there's
Speaker 6: a lot of things he can bring to a defensive line.
Speaker 3: He's versatile.
Speaker 6: That's that's where that's where you get the value in
Speaker 6: Darius Robinson's versatility.
Speaker 2: Bobby is Hicks got a shot from Washington state.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't think so, but I mean it's definitely possible,
Speaker 5: I guess. I mean, Hicks I think is going to
Speaker 5: be the first safety for a lot of teams. So
Speaker 5: I mean, if somebody wants to, you know, address that
Speaker 5: position back into the first I don't don't think it's
Speaker 5: like a terrible reach either. Like I really like Jadan Hicks.
Speaker 5: I just I don't know that the demand is going
Speaker 5: to be there. I don't know how many people are
Speaker 5: going to have Nuban over him. And I actually think
Speaker 5: the trendy thing that's that's one of the areas where
Speaker 5: I think we, you know, in the media talking about it,
Speaker 5: we've been behind the NFL.
Speaker 4: I think most of the NFL has Hicks above Nuban.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so that's one where, like I think the draft,
Speaker 5: Twitter social media sphere has not been in lockstep with
Speaker 5: them on that. So I think there's a good chance
Speaker 5: Hicks goes before Nuban. I just don't know if it's
Speaker 5: back into the first Yeah.
Speaker 9: I mean I think a lot of that has to
Speaker 9: do with affected and I think Nuben's fantastic and he
Speaker 9: can play some free safety, some strong safety, but it's
Speaker 9: also too with Jayden Hicks, And again it's not that
Speaker 9: Nuban doesn't do it.
Speaker 7: But it's just how he feels in the run game too, and.
Speaker 9: With just how many how many teams are doing things
Speaker 9: trying to get guys out in space and stuff, having
Speaker 9: a safety that can.
Speaker 7: Cover ground like that. But I also like how you
Speaker 7: operated in dime.
Speaker 9: I was surprised by just how comfortable he is, uh
Speaker 9: covering all that ground and and and in carrying defenders.
Speaker 7: So yeah, with Jayden Hicks's I agree with you.
Speaker 9: It's it's kind of like how we look at Adrian
Speaker 9: Cooper and Peyton Wilson is like one A, one B
Speaker 9: in that situation.
Speaker 2: To me as well, any chance that Coraley gets picked
Speaker 2: in the first round, I.
Speaker 3: Don't I don't think so. I would love that, but
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 7: I just thought a fire.
Speaker 6: I haven't heard a lot of smoke around around that.
Speaker 6: I think when you're talking about those receivers who could
Speaker 6: go first round, it's kind of limited to Xavier Worthy,
Speaker 6: Lad McConkey out of Night Mitchell. Yeah, probably those three guys,
Speaker 6: And I think if you go beyond that, then you're
Speaker 6: still talking Keyon Coleman and then maybe you start talking
Speaker 6: about Coraley and Legett, But I think those are comfortably
Speaker 6: second round guys.
Speaker 9: I don't think nobody's gonna get googly at and take
Speaker 9: Exavier Worthy just because he's super Definitely.
Speaker 6: Could oh yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like they would
Speaker 6: be jumping on a guy before a guy.
Speaker 2: Like me all right in the h in the last
Speaker 2: five minutes we have here. This is kind of been
Speaker 2: a touchy subject for a lot of folks, But I'll
Speaker 2: ask this question.
Speaker 3: Let's put some people off.
Speaker 8: Brian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you guys stand on all these potential
Speaker 2: medicals that we're dealing with. We got all these medical
Speaker 2: things that have come up about these players since the combine.
Speaker 2: We've you know, whether it's the center, the linebacker, the
Speaker 2: running back. Where where are you guys? Are you numb
Speaker 2: by it? Are you do?
Speaker 10: You?
Speaker 2: Are you saying? Listen? I trust my team is going
Speaker 2: to do the right thing, you know if they take
Speaker 2: my guy obviously cleared. I mean, I just feel like
Speaker 2: there's a lot of good players. I think there's probably more.
Speaker 2: There's players on our board that we haven't even talked
Speaker 2: about that have medical things that that probably that all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, we're gonna be like, Okay, Nick, who's
Speaker 2: your who's your best player? And then all of sid
Speaker 2: it's three guys that you're like, I don't understand why
Speaker 2: they're falling. Yeah, how how are you guys taking all
Speaker 2: this medical information in now? And how is it affecting
Speaker 2: how you think about your board in your players.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to keep it very circumstantial and put each
Speaker 6: guy in kind of a vacuum of what they're dealing with,
Speaker 6: But you do have to kind of factor in a
Speaker 6: guy like Graham Barton, who's deal. He's been dealing with
Speaker 6: the torn laborum throughout the draft process, and that's something
Speaker 6: you just we just haven't talked about because we've been
Speaker 6: talking about Jackson powers, Johnson and his medicals. We've been
Speaker 6: talking about Peyton Wilson or Jonathan Brooks, et cetera, et
Speaker 6: cetera exactly. So there's a lot of guys I think,
Speaker 6: is is there a little bit of numbness? I think
Speaker 6: there is maybe four for media scouts, But you can
Speaker 6: you can best believe that if there's a pick made
Speaker 6: by any of these thirty two teams, they're doing a
Speaker 6: lot of research as to what they are getting medically
Speaker 6: from the from that player, I think, uh, I think
Speaker 6: there definitely will be two or three guys we look
Speaker 6: at around like pick thirty, We're like, why are these
Speaker 6: guys falling? So yeah, which could help the Cowboys very well.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 2: So well, sure, Bobby, how do you feeling about all
Speaker 2: the medical information you're starting to get?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the stuff that I can that that's
Speaker 5: just out there publicly on display for everybody to see.
Speaker 5: You know, a lot too was medically retired for his neck.
Speaker 5: You know, Peyton Wilson has had a bunch of surgeries
Speaker 5: since high school. Like those sorts of things there that
Speaker 5: I can see and I can discern, It's like that's
Speaker 5: right there on the table for me. I don't know
Speaker 5: how comfortable I feel going after that. So so those
Speaker 5: are those ones. The other ones that are murkier, you know,
Speaker 5: Jackson Powers Johnson, where you hear rumblings of stuff and
Speaker 5: hear things like that. I don't know how to feel
Speaker 5: about it. If the team says we're willing to take them,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna trust that it is because I have no clue.
Speaker 5: But like, there's nothing that I can know about those
Speaker 5: medicals and know if they're okay or not. I didn't know,
Speaker 5: Like you hear rumblings about, oh, there may be something
Speaker 5: Layton vander Ash's neck when he's coming out of school,
Speaker 5: but like you didn't know how it was going to
Speaker 5: play out because there wasn't anything really on the record
Speaker 5: about it or anything that was out in public about it.
Speaker 5: And ultimately that one didn't go the way they wanted.
Speaker 5: You talked about the Jeremiah Trotter one where he ended
Speaker 5: up playing ten years, and so to me, I'm I'm
Speaker 5: kind of neutral when I hear something about Jackson Powers
Speaker 5: Johnson or Jonathan Brooks or one of these guys where Okay,
Speaker 5: I can't know specifics about it. If the team says
Speaker 5: they're comfortable that, I'm going to be comfortable with it.
Speaker 5: But the ones where it's like it's publicly out there,
Speaker 5: I already know a medical staff, retired law too. I
Speaker 5: already know there's been a million surgeris to Wilson all
Speaker 5: over his body, not in just one particular part. Those
Speaker 5: are the ones where I go, I don't think I'm
Speaker 5: very comfortable taking those guys.
Speaker 14: Wow.
Speaker 9: I mean, and when you talk about Center, I know
Speaker 9: how Center crazy you are. Yeah, Brian, your top three
Speaker 9: centers all have all dealt with injuries at this point,
Speaker 9: because Fraser dealt with the knee as well, right, So.
Speaker 7: It's it's it's I think it also it.
Speaker 9: Depends, Like like Nick said, he doesn't he tries to
Speaker 9: put them in a vacuum and kind of sort out, Okay,
Speaker 9: what is their position, what do they do, how much
Speaker 9: depth do you need there, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 9: I think that for me is what plays into it.
Speaker 9: Because even when we were talking about Brooks earlier, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 9: like I don't like the fact that he's had an
Speaker 9: ACL but he can recover from that.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 9: If this was like five six years ago, maybe I
Speaker 9: would be more concerned because the committee aspect was not
Speaker 9: what people were doing. Like that you had like a
Speaker 9: guy that ran the ball a whole bunch and couple
Speaker 9: maybe a couple of gentlemen just fill in here and
Speaker 9: there with short yardst situations.
Speaker 7: That's not what football is right now.
Speaker 9: These running backs are being asked to do more wide
Speaker 9: receiver things as well, and they're lining up outside and stuff.
Speaker 9: It's not This game isn't as punishing to me from
Speaker 9: the running back position.
Speaker 7: So I might be a little bit more open.
Speaker 9: So I think it also just depends on the position
Speaker 9: what you and also to the specific depth on this
Speaker 9: team and what you need from that player right away.
Speaker 9: But these are the top three centers are all coming
Speaker 9: off injuries or they have issues.
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