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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to a brand new podcast on the

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Speaker 1: Fish Stripes Network. We have a very special podcast for

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Speaker 1: all you stat heads out there for the very first

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Speaker 1: episode of fish Ology with myself, Adam and Lewis. So

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Speaker 1: for this podcast, we'll be breaking down look for It

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Speaker 1: almost every week players from twenty twenty two Marlins and

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Speaker 1: breaking down their season, not looking at traditional stats, but

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Speaker 1: we will be going on a deep dive advanced stat

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Speaker 1: for everyone out there who loves those deep dives. That's

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Speaker 1: why I brought in Adam, That's why we have Lewis

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Speaker 1: for this podcast. Will be us three every week for

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Speaker 1: this audio only podcast. Adam, Lewis you guys ready for this?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, let's do it and pumps uh.

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Speaker 1: So for the first episode. Where else to start but

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Speaker 1: with aforementioned going to be the twenty twenty two cy

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Speaker 1: Young Award winner Sandy alcan Data with one of the

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Speaker 1: best seasons in Marlon's history. And if you like one

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Speaker 1: of those people who like to look at traditional stats,

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Speaker 1: Sandy obviously some of the best traditional stats out there today.

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Speaker 1: Two hundred and twenty two innings, pitch two, seven strikeouts

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Speaker 1: to tow a era point nine to eight whip. But

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Speaker 1: for this podcast, we are looking at the advanced stats,

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Speaker 1: the stats that you don't see on ESPN or any

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Speaker 1: other ass to score or whatnot. We're gonna go deep

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Speaker 1: dive into that, and we're gonna start off with PHIP

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Speaker 1: and with PIP Lewis. I want you to give us

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Speaker 1: just a little definition of maybe what PHIP is, what

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Speaker 1: goes into it, and maybe how Sandy's numbers look for

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Speaker 1: in the FIP category for twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: All right, so you guys familiar with this actual page

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Speaker 3: story where I believe he was playing in a Near

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Speaker 3: League All Star game er it made them in a

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Speaker 3: World series back in the early forties, and I believe

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Speaker 3: he loaded the bases and he called all of his

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Speaker 3: fielders in and he said that he was going to

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Speaker 3: strike out the side. Think of that as like the

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Speaker 3: first thought that comes to your mind when you think

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Speaker 3: of FIP. Really, what it does is it accounts for

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Speaker 3: all of the factors that a pitcher can control on

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Speaker 3: their own, so hit by pitches, strikeouts, walks. If you

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Speaker 3: want to use an example of how FIP may indicate luck,

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Speaker 3: by example, look at a guy like top twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: but his FIP was near four and a half because

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Speaker 3: of his propensity to give up home runs, and I

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Speaker 3: believe his walk rate was slightly above the league average

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Speaker 3: that year. So when you're giving up runs, let's just

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Speaker 3: take more immediate offense, or at least you're facilitating offense

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Speaker 3: more putting guys on, whether it's by hit by pitches

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Speaker 3: or you're allowing home runs. Uh, PIP will indicate that.

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Speaker 3: And I guess Sandy's FIPP, you know, for the most

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Speaker 3: on in the low twos, where he kind of sat

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Speaker 3: for or I guess he's finished the season at its

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Speaker 3: you know, he finished, like Daniel noted at two twenty eight,

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Speaker 3: given he doesn't have the propensity to put guys away,

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Speaker 3: or at least he doesn't prioritize strikeouts. Even if you

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Speaker 3: look at his numbers, he's kind of been an average

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Speaker 3: to slightly below average strikeout picture for the duration of

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Speaker 3: strikeouts per nine innings. Again, if you're it's still very productive,

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Speaker 3: you could still be a very productive pitcher. Well putting

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Speaker 3: most of the great Dead Bull era pictures didn't prioritize strikeouts,

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Speaker 3: and that could be one reason that Sandy has kind

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Speaker 4: I might go to say that al Contra might be

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Speaker 4: the best pitcher in baseball right now. Well, brother, I

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Speaker 4: think you might be right. And it's ground ball to first.

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Speaker 3: So this year he had a two ninety nine fit. Again,

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Speaker 3: They're not the most imperative thing to pitch your success,

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Speaker 1: And with his FIP, what do you guys see in

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Speaker 2: Lewis kind of just a kind of kind of add

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Speaker 2: expected idea and outcome. The rhetoric around Marlins media and

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Speaker 2: and to me, I just thought that was somewhat absurd

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Speaker 2: it takes into account what should have happened more than

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Speaker 2: that's fine. So and in the end, Sandy is still

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Speaker 2: you value strikeouts much more than a ground ball pitcher,

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Speaker 2: which is what Sandy is. Sandy's more of a finesse

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Speaker 3: What Adam's kind of illustrating is that Sandi al Katara

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Speaker 3: He has the ability to throw ninety eight and one

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Speaker 3: He growing one hundred and hundred and one in the

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Speaker 4: Sandy's one to two blows them away one hundred miles

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Speaker 3: Watch the Sandy a contrast start. You know, if say

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Speaker 2: al Contra, even though he has about one win higher

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Speaker 2: or sorry, half a win higher in terms of fran

433
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Speaker 2: grafts war. Then Sandy al Contra let's you know, he

434
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: could be he could start wearing down and you never

435
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: know what happened. And granted the guy missed two starts

436
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 2: or missed and start compared to Sandy, but I think

437
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: it really doesn't detract from his season at all, Lewis

438
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: just because with Sandy put like being cast in the

439
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: role that he's in it all, it only makes it

440
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: more difficult in my opinion, that you have to throw

441
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: this many innings. And that's kind of the credence that

442
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: I've given to everyone since August when I made that statement.

443
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just also we got a roasted quite a

444
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: bit for it, but in general, I think that you

445
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: kind of do need to see, hey, even though this

446
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: is what should have happened, you need to play the game.

447
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: Eventually you need to take into account what actually did

448
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: because at some point where do you to have the

449
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: line between theoretical and practically, between practice and theory. So

450
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 2: you want to actually put in to account what's actually

451
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: happening at some point, and I think that is that

452
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: you can. You can kind of take into account both,

453
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: and that's why I think averaging B war and four

454
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: is the best way to do it. And I think anyway,

455
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: like by sheer volume of innings, it's Sandy, And I

456
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: really don't think that, like you said, detract, it doesn't

457
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: detract from the fact that he's had to throw and

458
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: he's been thrown into that gauntlet because like other guys

459
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: have done it, Like other guys have pitched two hundred endings,

460
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: but they're not as effective as Sandy.

461
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 3: So here's another stat for you on a sheer run

462
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: prevention perspective, because I guess he just you know, he

463
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: is an ERA champion, given that he doesn't put guys away,

464
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 3: so FIP will always kind of play against him. Al

465
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 3: Contra never posted a month this season where his ERA

466
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 3: was over three. Every month this season he posted a

467
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: sub three ERA. He went twenty two times he pitched

468
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 3: into the seventh inning.

469
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Speaker 2: Do we know what his highest ERA was and maybe.

470
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: Ninety three? Wow? Do you know what his whip was

471
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 3: that month? It was point ninety seven in that span

472
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: of games, and yet he had the third highest case

473
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 3: for nine. He had this best strikeout to walk ratio

474
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 3: that month, so a little bit more contact. But that

475
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: being said, like it's just an attestament to him, you know,

476
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you even if you there's a million different

477
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: look at it. If you look at win probability added

478
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: a side of the picture. Because of what we just

479
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: talked about and that he has to pitch so many

480
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 3: high leverage innings, we talk about situational win probability added

481
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: four point four. Al Contra is the best. He's the

482
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 3: best pitcher in the National League when it comes to

483
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 3: a rising rising to the occasion. And again it's just

484
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a consistency to his performance. You look

485
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 3: at hitters leading off the inning, they hit one sixty seven,

486
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: the first batter of the of the game, one sixty

487
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: seven leading off an inning, one sixty four collective ops

488
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 3: four twenty two. For those guys, he just, you know,

489
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: regardless of where you are in the batting order and

490
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: regardless of when it is in a game, he kind

491
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Speaker 3: of just maintained this very even keeled degree of I guess,

492
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: just performance, right, So what there are metrics that do

493
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: say otherwise? That being said, though, you know, the biggest

494
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 3: maybe if the biggest thing is you want to look

495
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: at how he performs later in games. He hasn't he

496
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: hasn't allowed an earned run, and then I think he

497
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 3: didn't allowed and earn run in six nine inning appearances

498
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: this season is the e RA in the eighth inning.

499
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: He picked into the eightning sixteen times this year two

500
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 3: thirty five. So again his R in the sixth inning

501
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: is four. But the later he gets into those games,

502
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 3: his R just gets better and better because he feels

503
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 3: the momentum his arm is like it feels like he's

504
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: just getting loose. Opponent's batting average goes down in those

505
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 3: innings like he just again, there's just something about you know,

506
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: like you could pitch a lot of innings allah like

507
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: a Jack Morris in the eighties and and finished with

508
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 3: the RA around four and they're valuable innings, but they're

509
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: not label in the sense that you're going to be

510
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: up for a rewards voting on a yearly basis. But

511
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: when you can pitch a high number of innings and

512
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: prevents at the rate that he is, again, it's just

513
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: for the lat to say, I'm you know, repeating myself

514
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: one thing, but I think that's just one of the

515
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: things that makes them special.

516
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: Then me ask you, guys, I'm looking at more stats

517
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: from Sandy and obviously I want to just you know,

518
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: go ahead and defind some more status for me for

519
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: people that don't know, I'm looking at win probability. He

520
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: had a point six and twenty twenty two point four

521
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one five point five in twenty twenty two.

522
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: Can you guys maybe help define because I know you

523
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: just mentioned.

524
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: Win probability added Lewis, can you really define what that

525
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: means in terms for a pitcher and maybe the number

526
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: that Sandy posted this year and how maybe that effects

527
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: also is maybe cy young case and maybe how great

528
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: of a year Sandy's having just with the win probability.

529
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, it's situational. We just talked about

530
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 3: his ability to kind of show up when he's chasing

531
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: complete games. And generally you will see that WPA leaders

532
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: for pitchers tend to be relievers because they're in a

533
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 3: lot of the times win probability average does take into

534
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: account leverage index. That's why there is a static called

535
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 3: situational win probability added. And because the Marlins play so

536
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: many low scoring games, al Contra is the leader in

537
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: both respective categories. Are just general win probability added, i e.

538
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: When he's on the field, he has helped his team

539
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: more than any other pitcher in the National League and situationally,

540
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: when the team needs him the most to win, he

541
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: has been the most effective pitcher the win probability added

542
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: is you know an adam you can add on to this.

543
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: It's more of an assessment of how you kind of,

544
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: like I said, rise to the occasion and are able

545
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: to maybe put out fires that either could start or

546
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: ones that did start, and you kind of just want

547
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: to limit the damage. He in this case has been

548
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: best at doing there.

549
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there is kind of one gripe I have

550
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: with the whole idea of when's probably added Lewis, and

551
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: it's it kind of seems like it's the term clutches

552
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: way of trying to get in the analytics world, and

553
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: we're just not gonna let it happen because you can't

554
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: really account for a mental aspect of a player in

555
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: a situation and see alasy more clutch than another player

556
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: because it's a random event, right, And in statistics, we

557
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: want we want to account for an event's randomness as

558
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: much as possible, and we wanted we want trials to

559
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: be randomly conducted, and because we don't want any systematic bias,

560
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: and even though it has nothing really to do with

561
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: the situation, we just don't want to have any sort

562
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: of clutch factor working in its way here. For me,

563
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: it's not really something that you want to look into

564
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: because I think at the time, when Juan Soto hit

565
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: his triple which turned into like, you know, a big

566
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: catastrophe like Trent Grisham in a twenty nineteen wild card,

567
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: I think at the time that was like the highest

568
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: WPA play and that's really should have been in Major

569
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: League Baseball playoff history and or might have been Major

570
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: League Baseball history of mant Hoverson, sure, but regardless, it

571
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: was a single that Trent Grisham Boston right field that

572
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: he bobbled and Soto made his way around the bags

573
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: and the bases were loaded and just so happened to

574
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: score three runs and it tied the game, and it

575
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: was in the eighth inning. And you know, that's there's

576
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: so many like variables that are in so many unnecessary

577
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: independent variables that are messing with the whole equation. Right,

578
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: So you have the eighth inning, we have the seventh

579
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: inning or the sixth inning. Whether you're pitching in any

580
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: inning is irrelevant, right, because an inning is an inning

581
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: in an a normative sense, right, So that's why we

582
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: see wins project that. That's that's my gripe in my

583
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: issue with WPA and lewis kind of what you were saying.

584
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: It's more of a it's more correlative with the statistics

585
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: that you do use to pick the award winners or

586
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: the ones, so you kind of use to compare and

587
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 2: contrast more than it is the predictor itself. They'll BEPA.

588
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if you really want to look at

589
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: like it like, regardless of whether you take stock in it,

590
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: look at the turn of the century and pictures who

591
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: have post starting pitchers because again, relievers tend to accrue

592
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: it a lot more because they're in higher leverge spots

593
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: at least as when probability added uses as a barometer

594
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: for I guess garnering value. If you look at the

595
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: pitchers who posted win probability added seasons of five or higher,

596
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: a contract posted more WPA this year than twenty fourteen

597
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: Clayton Kershaw did. And I don't know if you guys

598
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: remember that season that was one hundred and ninety eight

599
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: innings of a one to seventy seventy RA and one

600
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: of the best pitching seasons in recent memory, even if

601
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: you know you're playing in Dodger Stadium and all that

602
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: win probability added still accounts for situations like you noted.

603
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: But the seasons that al contras kind of sandwich between

604
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: in this sense are some of the better pitching seasons

605
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: we've seen in the first part of the twenty first century.

606
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you got two thousand and nine Sex Granky,

607
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: two thousand, Randy Johnson, Cy Young, Cliff Lee, like these

608
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: are you know, most It's definitely, like you said, a

609
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: good indicator for awards voting, because almost every name on

610
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: this list, in each respective season took home the highest

611
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: honor that we generally give to pictures.

612
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and looking at the other stats that we saw

613
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: with WPA one that I was looking at, I know,

614
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: if you guys can explain this to me and maybe

615
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: for some other people. The r E twenty four I

616
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: was looking at. That's a set I've never really heard of,

617
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: and it showed that Sandy had a percentage of almost

618
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: I believe, thirty percentage points from twenty twenty one to

619
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. And I don't know that's something to

620
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: look at that's subject to even mention but to you, guys,

621
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: is r E twenty four even a stat that's even used.

622
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: Right, So, Daniel, to kind of answer your question, the

623
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: are twenty four metro that you're looking at. I actually

624
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: did kind of a project on it my sophomore year

625
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 2: of college where we were looking at the change. It's

626
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: basically what it is. It measures the difference or the

627
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: change and run and run expectancy from the beginning of

628
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: the plate appearance or the at bat to the very

629
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: end of it. For the for the twenty four different

630
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: based out scenarios there are in baseball. And really what

631
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: that means just a bunch of jargon to say, Okay,

632
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: you've got guys on different bases and you know, different

633
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: outs in the inning, and a guy at the at

634
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: the plate, and there's the different combinations. There's twenty four

635
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: of them. So what this really means is we're seeing

636
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: the amount, like the difference in uh, the sorry, the

637
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: change and run expectancy from the beginning of an average

638
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: Sandie al Contra plate appearance when he's on the mound

639
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: to the very end of it. Saying and so in

640
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: this regard, if you're seeing that Sandy is much lower higher,

641
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: I didn't actually look where the where he is on

642
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: the leaderboard. Obviously, when we have that number, it kind

643
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: of gives it. It's very similar to I think this

644
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: is this is one where I kind of do like

645
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: to see more. It's very similar to w It's similar

646
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: in a way to WPA, but I like it more

647
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: because it kind of just gives you. It's it's a

648
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Speaker 2: little bit more. It's easier to use in a simulation

649
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Speaker 2: where you can kind of see different ways that a

650
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: player like you can calculate many different ways and see

651
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: it in a different kind of situation, in many different scenarios,

652
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: what can happen and how he's how he's performed in

653
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 2: those situations. So Sandy in this regard, I'm guessing he's

654
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Speaker 2: done pretty well. But that's really what it is with

655
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Speaker 2: RI twenty four kind of answer your question. The higher

656
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Speaker 2: the number, the more runs, the higher run expectancy that

657
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Speaker 2: he has prevented as a result of him being on

658
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Speaker 2: the mountain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just looking at the other shaft, I think

660
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Speaker 1: another one we got to look at is war probably,

661
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, we really can signify how player's done that season.

662
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Speaker 1: And I was looking at the War for Sandy from

663
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Speaker 1: different sites. And you look at Baseball Reference having him

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Speaker 1: in an eight point one, and then you also have

665
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Speaker 1: I believe fangraps at the five point seven Lewis, we

666
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Speaker 1: went to the game. You showed me a whole bunch

667
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Speaker 1: of different wars from different players fan Baseball Reference. Why

668
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Speaker 1: are there such a bit of viout between graphs in

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Speaker 1: Reference in terms of their war for Sandy? If that's

670
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Speaker 1: something to look at, well, it's maybe not like eight

671
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Speaker 1: point one. Another one site has seven point eight. It's

672
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Speaker 1: eight point one. Another site has five point seven. It's

673
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Speaker 1: almost three full points. If that just something that fangraphs does.

674
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Speaker 1: Are they more meticulate to their maybe how they get

675
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Speaker 1: war compared to the Baseball Reference And how do you

676
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Speaker 1: see that those sides for Sandy in terms.

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Speaker 3: Of war the way that war works. I guess with Fangraps,

678
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: Fangraphs does tend to value certain things over others. I mean,

679
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: you know, Baseball Reference, I guess you could say is

680
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: maybe the more traditional baseball statistical reference site as opposed

681
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: to fangraps, because fangraphs is rooted in more analytics and

682
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: a lot of guys who write for them, you know,

683
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: do tend to kind of move on and get jobs

684
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: with organizations. Is if it like a Devin thinker, you

685
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: know a couple of other people that I'm maybe not

686
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: naming well. I guess the Fangrafts does tend to give

687
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 3: more credence to pitchers who do a better job at

688
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: limiting walks, and they do value strikeouts in the way

689
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: that Adam was talking about it. So they're very fit dependent.

690
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: They're very strikeout dependent. A little good a guy like

691
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: Dylan c. Dylan Ces by Baseball Reference War I believe

692
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: as six point four war, but Fangrafts has him at

693
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Speaker 3: like four point four because he led the American League

694
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Speaker 3: in walks this year, but he was also very effective

695
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: when it came to striking guys out, so it didn't

696
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: totally warp his value. But there's a variance there because

697
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: they have two different things that they value. I guess

698
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Speaker 3: Baseball Reference maybe when you look at them you can

699
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: kind of assess, all right, they're more maybe on the

700
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Speaker 3: run prevention side. They don't really care as much about

701
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Speaker 3: how it's done. They just kind of care that you're

702
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Speaker 3: actually doing it. And that's maybe why Sandy is he

703
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: is on Baseball Reference and where he is on fangraphs,

704
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: they see that he doesn't put guys away with the

705
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: propensity that say a Freed would, or a Sureser when

706
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 3: he's LB, or even the Graham if he's giving you

707
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Speaker 3: thirty starts that being said again, So a five and

708
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: a half win season is still incredibly valuable. But baseball

709
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: perspectives too, has a different version of war. I'm not

710
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Speaker 3: sure off the top of my head what they have

711
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: for Sandy, but they just take different factors into account,

712
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Speaker 3: or at least they ascribe more value to different facets

713
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 3: and what a player does respective to his positional peers

714
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: that gives them their total value.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, go ahead, go ahead. Oh sorry, no. So

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Speaker 2: the reason why Baseball Reference war is different from fangraphs

717
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: war is because fang graphs war takes into account fit

718
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Speaker 2: into their war calculation and the pitching more calculation that is,

719
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: whereas Baseball Reference takes into account runs allowed per nigh.

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Speaker 2: And that's where I kind of was having an issue

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Speaker 2: with early on this might that's always been kind of

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Speaker 2: my gripe with or sorry, Baseball Reference pitching war, just

723
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: simply because it's not really taken into account somewhat of

724
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Speaker 2: a luck factor in what some of the things that

725
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: a pitcher can't really control for on his own. And

726
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Speaker 2: I think in my world I value the independence of

727
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: a guy and what he can do on his own

728
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Speaker 2: a lot more. Just in general, I admire that. So

729
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Speaker 2: I think with a guy like like a a godless

730
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Speaker 2: who has had more individual success than any other pitcher

731
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Speaker 2: in Major League baseball according to fang Rafts four, he

732
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: was kind of like the guy I was looking at earlier.

733
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Speaker 2: So that's like, that's kind of the difference between FIP

734
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Speaker 2: and Baseball Reference War. And the reason why you're seeing

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Speaker 2: Sandy having as much higher pitching refer sorry Baseball Reference

736
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Speaker 2: War is because a the stit number of volume, and

737
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Speaker 2: they take into account that in their calculation. And be's

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Speaker 2: because he's allowed very few runs and especially a very

739
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Speaker 2: very very low home run eight. If you look at

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Speaker 2: Fanggrafts War, they're going to take into account the independent

741
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: pitching metrics. Right, we talked about strikeouts, We talked about walks,

742
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: we talked about home runs, the three the three true

743
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: outcomes in baseball. Because Sandy is not super super proficient

744
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: in the strikeout metrics, the walks and the home runs

745
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: he's very very good, which is booing him booing his

746
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: pitching war if anything. In fangrafts, however, he's only striking

747
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: out eight guys per nine innings, and Michael Benchmin he's

748
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: just he's a finesse guy who's gonna low, he's gonna

749
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: ride on that lower spin to really make guys, to

750
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: really confuse guys with his fastball, because it's just going

751
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: to be absolutely filthy because it's just he's thrown at

752
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour. But regardless, you've got guys

753
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: who are striking out four more guys up to four

754
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: more guys per nine with show Hey Rodin, Garrett Cole,

755
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: Dilan C's Corbyn Burns, And I guess if you really

756
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 2: want to stick into the National League, you wouldn't really,

757
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: you know, I just mentioned the other guys. But for me,

758
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: that's that likely. Not not for me, that's really the

759
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: reason why Sandy is lagging behind in fang grass just

760
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: because he's not leading in the category of strikeouts or

761
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Speaker 2: he's really liking behind in that. And that just happens

762
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 2: to be a very very important metric for fang graphs,

763
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Speaker 2: especially when you're taking to account that they really like

764
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Speaker 2: putting away the batter as quickly as possible and not

765
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Speaker 2: even allowing him to even get the opportunity to put

766
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Speaker 2: the ball in play or risk a base runner reaching

767
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: base right. So that's why fang Grass for me kind

768
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: of wins out a little bit. But for awards, you

769
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: average them out and it's still that. But that's that's

770
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Speaker 2: that's the kind of the reason why they differ in

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Speaker 2: why Sandy is such a polarizing, like a near binary

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Speaker 2: difference in between one and the other. So that's that's

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Speaker 2: that's kind of the reason why.

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Speaker 1: And and also looking at some other big you know

775
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Speaker 1: Sandy stats. You know, I believe Lewis gave you the

776
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Speaker 1: stat a couple of days ago about how Sandy has

777
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Speaker 1: faced or saw the most hitters in the majors. I

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Speaker 1: believe he's at eight hundred and eighty six. How is

779
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Speaker 1: it when you just have a guy like that, this

780
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Speaker 1: seeing guy, a guy almost seeing a thousand a thousand

781
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Speaker 1: hitters in the Major League and still providing you with

782
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: the low fit, the low era, getting guys out going

783
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Speaker 1: in long innings and still seeing almost a thousand guys.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, it's you know, to not repeat myself.

785
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: And by the way, the third guy a thirt two

786
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Speaker 3: hundred innings was Miles Michaeliss, guy that Adam kind of

787
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: talked about where he may not be a Fangraft starling

788
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 3: because he doesn't strike guys out, but he also kind

789
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Speaker 3: of just induces a lot of soft contact because he's

790
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 3: a two same sinker guy. That being said, again, it's

791
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: just it just kind of circles back to the way

792
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: that Baseball Reference value Sandy and that what actually happened

793
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Speaker 3: on the field is that he was inning for not

794
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: even inn for inning, just at the end of the day,

795
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Speaker 3: he was the most valuable because he was out there

796
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: the longest and he kind of and that didn't necessarily

797
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: deter performance. I think that's why he was where he is,

798
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: and that's why he faced the number of hitters that

799
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Speaker 3: he did. And I mean, like, listen, if you want

800
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Speaker 3: to chalk it up this way, I'm sure fangrafs put

801
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: some value in the fact that he was sixth and

802
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 3: hits for nine in the National League while also facing

803
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 3: the most batters. So not only do you do a

804
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 3: great job at preventing hits at least allowing them in bunches,

805
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: but you also face more people than anybody else. So

806
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, this year, you're out a lot, you're

807
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: out of you're out here on the mount a lot

808
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: of the time, but there ain't many guys that are

809
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 3: getting on base against you.

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00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just for for Sandy, you know, seeing all

811
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Speaker 2: those hitters.

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Speaker 1: Just let me ask you, also, Adam to just what

813
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: kind of value is it, you know, having a guy

814
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: like that and just going inning by inning by inning

815
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: and still seeing multiple guys and you know, you have

816
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: him out there eighth or ninth inning and he's throwing

817
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: up to one hundred and ten, one hundred almost maybe

818
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty pitches by the end of the game.

819
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, for me, like, it's something that is

820
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: very impressive. Definitely, But there's kind of a reason as

821
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 2: to why it's been phased out of Major League baseball

822
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: because you want to see you value the longevity of

823
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: a pitch over the course of his career rather than

824
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: what he can do over the course of a regular season.

825
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: And especially when you have a guy who is as

826
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Speaker 2: young as Sandy al Contra, you want to be able

827
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Speaker 2: to last him, and especially when you can in a

828
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: day and age where we're leveraging relievers, or we're valuing

829
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: relievers I should say in a much higher circumstances we

830
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: used to exploiting them or using them in much higher

831
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: leverage situations that we used to in many different ways

832
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: starting them. The list goes on and on with the

833
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: reasons why relievers have just been more valuable, and I

834
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: think it just kind of goes to show that Sandy

835
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 2: has defied and turned back to clock in a way

836
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: back maybe ten years, because this was the norm that

837
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: pitched two hundred innings. Now we're seeing the best teams,

838
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: even guys who are elites started is being capped at

839
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: one sixty, one seventy because they're being We're now seeing

840
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: two three four guys out of the bullpen throw eighty

841
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 2: ninety fire innings, guys like Ryan Helsley or a Joanna

842
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: Goego's and the Cardinals instead of having Wayne Wright go

843
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: eight nine innings like he used to, right, And that's

844
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: obviously because he's much older, But in general, that's what

845
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: the trend is going in in total. Obviously Michael has

846
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: broke that, but for me, that's kind of what Sandy

847
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 2: has been very good at this year.

848
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean even crazier is like you know, we

849
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 3: taught I think the biggest thing as far as pitching

850
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 3: philosophy goes when we talk about guys throwing less innings

851
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: is the biggest, maybe the biggest caveat that coaching staffs

852
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: have at keeping maximizing output from pitchers on an inning

853
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: forrating basis is the times for the order effect. And

854
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 3: we always say, like, you know, exit velocity maybe tend

855
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 3: to go up slightly with guys as as they face

856
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: hitters a third time, but if you look at mere

857
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: output against Sandy, they have he has an opponent ops.

858
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: His opponent ops third time through the order and thirty

859
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: five less plate appearances is the same as it is

860
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: the second time through the order, six thirty eight, So

861
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: you know, ain't not very productive. You're not really getting

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Speaker 3: This year fifty nine plate appearance is a four fifty

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Speaker 2: I mean, he just.

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Speaker 3: Deeper he gets into the game the worst. The hitters

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and because we know, like Sandy still fourth time,

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Speaker 1: still throwing over one hundred miles pro our, still throwing heat.

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Speaker 1: Still still you know, one of the best pictures even

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Speaker 1: that deep in the game. And we're pretty deep in

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Speaker 1: this pod our almost fifty minutes. Now. This is you know,

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Speaker 1: our first episode of Physiology. Try doing this every week,

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Speaker 1: maybe bi weekly, see if you can get more players.

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Speaker 1: Think of more players in the Marlins so we can

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Speaker 1: go deep dive on their stats. But let us know

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Speaker 1: what you think. Go like share, subscribe to the to

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Speaker 1: the obviously the YouTube channel and the podcast network where

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get all that. Follow us on Twitter. Adam Lewis,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 2: You know now you're on here.

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Speaker 1: Now we got to do this every week, you know,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Isaac, they have unfiltered, but Phisiology is where it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be at.

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Speaker 2: This is the this is a new podcast now ology.

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Speaker 1: And and I want to thank also Eli for helping

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Speaker 1: us out recording everything, getting everything set up. Can I

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Speaker 1: have done it without him? But this is just the beginning.

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Speaker 1: This is Phisiology Episode one, and there's still plenty more

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Speaker 1: to come, so thank you for listening and stay tuned.