1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Common thinking is, you can't win in the 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: NFL without an elite quarterback. But when the Washington football 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: team came into this offseason, we knew that they had 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: some good pieces in place. I just didn't know if 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: they were going to be able to get a quality quarterback, 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl quality quarterback, and they ended up signing 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Okay Tyler or Taylor. Heineke is filling in 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: now because Fitzpatrick got hurt in Week one and Washington 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: eked out the win last night. They overcame a late 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: interception that he had. He led them to the game 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: winning field goal drive. And Heineken might not look like much. 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: He's listed at six one. He's out of old dominion. 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: He's not afraid I'll say that, but you know, remember 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: this is a franchise that won a Super Bowl, a 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: couple of Super Bowls with Mark Rippon. Not exactly a 17 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. It's a bit of a lofty goal, 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: but at least Washington fans have reason to be excited 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: that heinekend some stability there to compliment and otherwise talented roster. 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: It's one of those games. It's a game within a game. 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: We saw this on Monday Night with the Ravens and Raiders. 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: It's like, I think I know what's going to happen, 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: and then something else happens. And then you think you 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, and then something else happened. 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: Because if I'm Washington, I'm going If I'm the Giants, 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, we're in trouble. You gotta capitalize. You can't 27 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: kick field goals in the NFL and try to survive. 28 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: You just can't. We saw that with the Patriots against 29 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: the Dolphins. You can move the ball up and down 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: the field. If you're not scoring touchdowns, you're going to 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: let that other team stay in and then you have 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: the game winning kick where you had off sides. Here 33 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: is Joe Judge, the Giants head coach. I'm not going 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: to put this on decks. Oh, I don't put this 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: on decks. Okay. Deck's a good player, he's a strong 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: piece of our locker room. He's a good teammate, he's 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: fund to coach, He's productive for us as a player. 38 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put this on dextra oars. Okay. Things 39 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: we have to do better as professionals, all right, But 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put this on any one player in 41 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: one situation. Okay. I mean, yeah, you can put blame 42 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: on a lot of people, but you have a simple job. 43 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: When you're over the center on a field goal, you 44 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: see the ball, it's right in front of you. It's 45 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: it's mind blowing that you're offside in a situation like that, 46 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: like do you really think you're gonna block that field 47 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: goal and you see the ball snapped in front of you. 48 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: If you're you know, a defensive lineman, you may react 49 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: off the offensive lineman you see the ball right in 50 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: front of you, but jumped off sides, got another chance 51 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: and ended up winning. Here is Ron Rivera talking about 52 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: his quarterback before the last drive, specific to Taylor. What 53 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: was your message to him there on that last two 54 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: minute row. Don't screw it up? No, it was. It 55 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: was all we had to do was get in the 56 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: field goal position and we felt, well, you had a 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,279 Speaker 1: good shot at it, and uh yeah, we got that opportunity. 58 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 1: That's Ron Rivera. McLevin. What's the full question today? Who 59 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: has you more excited after last night? Daniel Jones or 60 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: Taylor Heineke. Daniel Jones has talent. He's an athletic quarterback. 61 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: He can beat you with his arm and his leg, 62 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: and he could have easily won that game. You know, 63 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: you had the holding call or he would have had 64 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: another touchdown. They have some wide receivers. They went out 65 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: and got wide receivers. They drafted a wide receiver. You 66 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: got se Quon Barkley, and I'm not sure what that 67 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: means right now. Ingram wasn't didn't play. I always think 68 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: that he's going to be something, and he's probably not 69 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: going to be as good as what people thought he 70 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: was going to be. You brought in Gala day. He 71 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: didn't do anything last night. But you start to look 72 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: at this team and McLevin, if you bring up the 73 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: Giant schedule here, like they're in trouble. You know, do 74 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: you pick up Daniel Jones's fourth year option? Do you 75 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: resign sa Quon Barkley? I know it's only two games, 76 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: but if you start to look at their schedule, I mean, 77 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: they got the Kansas City Chiefs coming up, they got 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: the Cowboys coming up. You got that, Yeah, So they 79 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: host Atlanta next week, then they go to New Orleans 80 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: to Dallas host the Rams host the Panthers, then at 81 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: Kansas City. They got the Bucks in week eleven after 82 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: a buy at Tampa Bay. I mean, you wouldn't think 83 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, hey, this is going 84 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: to be a five and twelve team, because they might 85 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: be worse. Who knows. I mean, that's not a great division, 86 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: but we saw Philadelphia might be a little better than 87 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: we thought. Washington is going to be there, I think 88 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: just because they got a great coach and the defense 89 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: is good. Although that defense wasn't great last night because 90 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: you don't think of the Giants offense as explosive. But 91 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: they did old him in check when it comes to 92 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: kicking field goals. So Drew Brees will join us coming up, 93 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: and then Ken Burns, the documentary filmmaker on the Muhammad 94 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: Ali documentary. Yes, PAULI, Yes. S Quon Barkley not a 95 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: great running back or is he not used properly or other? 96 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: I don't know how healthy is. And you're gonna limit 97 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: his touches because he's coming back from knee surgery. You know, 98 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: we liken him to Barry Sanders. He's not the home 99 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: run hitter that Barry Sanders was. I he had eight 100 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: carries in forty one yards, but he had one carry 101 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: for forty one yards, so the rest of him were zero. 102 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: Barry Sanders might give you plus one plus one minus 103 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: two sixty two yards those kind of things. And I 104 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: still think Barry Sanders wasn't used correctly in Detroit. But 105 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: that's a story for another day. S Quan is not 106 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: that kind of player. No, nobody's like Barry Sanders, but 107 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: I just think he was. He started out great. Want 108 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: to use him out of the backfield? Um, I don't 109 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: know if I wouldn't resign him. I just I don't 110 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: want to resign a running back. But you might look 111 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: at this and go, God, we drafted him so high 112 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: and he has he's got charisma, he looks good on camera, 113 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: he's got star power. It's just I don't I don't 114 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: want to tie up that kind of money. Yeah, McLevin 115 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: as an ACL survivor, he's one year off ACL. A 116 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: running back that's gotta be. I mean, he's he played 117 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: two games to four days. Like they said that, Wait, 118 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: did you lump yourself in as an? I'm actually asking 119 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: you as there's no way he can be like the 120 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: same explosive, like, we don't have a therapy group for 121 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: ACL survivor Yeah, I've actually Naco would never had an ACL, 122 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: but you've had like eleven, so I figured, yeah, yeah, 123 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: they finally put something in this last time they gave 124 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: me a new knee. They kept taking things out. I'm like, 125 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: that's not good. Actually, did you even have an ACL 126 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: for a period of your life? I feel like you were. 127 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I know I had a meniscus tear 128 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: for about seven years. It's like, all right, we'll just 129 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: somehow survive. But yeah, I don't know what the Giants 130 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: are going to do, you know, Dave Gentleman, their GM. 131 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: Is he going to survive? Probably not. It feels like 132 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: they like Joe Judge. I mean, he's the raw, raw guy. 133 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: Maybe he is the right guy to be fair to him. 134 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: He's you know, he's just starting his career. But you 135 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: start to look at the Giants and you know they're 136 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna have few losses here. They might have 137 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: double digit losses this year. Yeah. Point And it seems 138 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: like every team's direction is based on this quarterback cap situation. 139 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: You know, let's say the Giants are, oh, he's six 140 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: and eleven. That's pretty bad. But let's say Daniel Jones 141 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: has a nice season. Shows promise there's still in a 142 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: position where they either have to give him a whole 143 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: bunch of money or cut him the old Troubisky thing 144 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: or the Mariota thing. There's no there is no middle 145 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: room anymore. I know. Well that's because these agents and 146 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 1: general managers have made it that way that Niel Jones 147 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: is gonna come up and everybody's gonna go, You're gonna 148 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: pay him forty million dollars. I gotta give you. How 149 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: about twenty how about twenty five? You know, but there's 150 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: no middle ground, and as a result, then you might 151 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: have Daniel Jones have to kind of hit the reset 152 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: button with another team. Be sure to catch the live 153 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am 154 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the 155 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio app. NBC Sunday Night Football, Notre Dame analysts 156 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: super Bowl MVP Drew Brees set to join us on 157 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: the program, and Drew will be on the call. Notre 158 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: Dame hosting is Alma mater the Boilermakers that Purdue this Saturday. 159 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: That's a two thirty Eastern and then Football Night in America. 160 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: He'll be on that Head of the Chiefs ravens All 161 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: on NBC and Peacock and Drew Brees joins us. How's 162 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: the weather in South Bend, Indiana? I'm actually driving, I'm driving. 163 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: I just ask Koacomo, Indiana on the highway thirty one 164 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: Mores ended up to South then right now? Did Notre 165 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: Dame recruit you? No, they didn't. Sounds like you're still 166 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: holding a grudge there, No, no, no, I no grudges. 167 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: I'm a Texas kid, So I wanted I wanted to 168 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: go to the Texas schools that was. That was back 169 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: in the old Southwest Conference days. Do you remember those days? Oh? Yeah, 170 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: I do. Did the Texas schools recruit you? Uh no, No, 171 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: they didn't. Both both both my parents were to Texas 172 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: and n So I wanted to be an Aggie. Even 173 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: though the reputation for the Aggies back then and quarterbacks 174 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: was it's where quarterbacks go to die. In quarterbacks, great yard, 175 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: there's running back, running back in linebacker you. But still 176 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: I love the tradition. I wanted to be an Aggie. 177 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: Oh how much did that hurt? That all of a 178 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: sudden you don't hear from them. Well, ironically, my left 179 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: tackle in high school was offered by an m As 180 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: like a sophomore. He was, he was a phenom. His 181 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: name was Seth McKinney. His older brother, Steve McKinney was 182 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: actually it was alignment there at the time. Ended up 183 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: playing in the league for a long time. Both those 184 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: guys did. And so I went on an unofficial visit 185 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: to A and M my senior year and their Seth's 186 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: parents were pretty influential with A and M as. His 187 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: dad was the chancellor at AM and so they were 188 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: really pushing the Aggies to recruit me, and so I 189 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: think it was just out of respect for them that 190 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: the Aggies kind of made it seem like they were 191 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: a little bit interested, and so they when I was 192 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: on this unofficial visit, they scheduled an official visit for 193 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: me in January. And so a week before the official visit, 194 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: I called because I haven't heard a peat from A 195 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: and M. I said, ay, and I still come on 196 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: this visit. May say, oh, yeah, we'll call you right back, 197 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: and never called back. So, yeah, listen to make sure 198 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: a good story, now, you know. But but things things. 199 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: Things probably would have been quite different had I gone 200 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: A and M and not the spread offensive for due, 201 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: When did it hit you that you're not playing football 202 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: any longer? Um? I mean it's not like you just 203 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: wake up one day and say, hey, I think I'm 204 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: gonna retire. I mean that that's a that's a process, 205 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: especially as I got, you know, later in my career. 206 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: I knew that I was closer to the end in 207 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: the beginning, and so you begin to think about how 208 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: that's going to transpire, and you know the feelings and 209 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: emotions that go along with that. But like the weekend, 210 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, with no football, but you're covering it. But 211 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: does it do you wake up and you're like, oh god, 212 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not playing or I'm not preparing. Whereas 213 00:11:54,440 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it was part of your life for decades. Yeah, 214 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's a grind, you know. I mean, 215 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: preparing preparing to go play a game is a grind. 216 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: And now it provides a weekly routine and it provides 217 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: habits that I think really, um, make you feel make 218 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: you feel good, you know, make you feel like you're 219 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: going out and earning what you're going to get on Sundays, 220 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: and so there's definitely something to that. But honestly, what 221 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: fills that void for me now is coaching my kids 222 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: and watching my kids play and still staying staying in 223 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: tune with the game, obviously with broadcasting and with with 224 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: some of the things I'm doing with NBC. So so 225 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: there's there's there's ways that I'm filling that void. Toughest 226 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: thing to get used to is a member of the media. Yeah, Um, well, 227 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: I don't really consider myself a member of the media. Um, 228 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: even though I guess, you know, technically I am. Um, 229 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: I still I still I try to approach it the 230 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: same way. Idea as a player, I still prepare very 231 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: much the same way in the way that I'm watching 232 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: film and what I'm looking for and what then I 233 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: try to communicate to the fans. So maybe I'm just 234 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: taking a different approach to it. We had a conversation 235 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: yesterday and we were wondering what you would say to this, 236 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: are you, uh, do you think you're better than Tom Brady? 237 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: That's not fair? Um, there there are Let me just 238 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: say like this, Um, there's no you can't. You can't 239 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: match up book the championships, right, I mean look at, 240 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: look at just just stop the conversation right there. Guys 241 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: won seven championships. I mean, it's and you can go 242 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: to each one. And then it's very unique that in 243 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: my career is coincided almost exactly with his. You know, 244 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: he came out a year before me, Um from Michigan. 245 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: You know, he played against each other in college. But 246 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: but certainly he's always been a guy that I've you know, 247 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: watched respected admired um, you know, pull up their game tape, 248 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: watched them. I mean so many, so many elements of 249 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: his preparation and his his process in getting ready to 250 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: play that I feel like I know quite a bit 251 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: about Um. So for that reason, so much respect and 252 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: admiration UM list and I'll be honest, there's I think 253 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: each each quarterback, and you could say this about Peyton Manning, 254 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: you could say this about the Aaron Rodgers. You can 255 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: say this about the guys that came before us, you know, 256 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: like the Dan Marinos and the always and kind of 257 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: that era. Each each era of football kind of especially 258 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, I think, kind of stands alone. I don't 259 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: think it's fair to compare this era quarterback with the 260 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: eras that came before us, just because there's differences in 261 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: the rules, there's differences in the environment, just all those things. 262 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: There are things that I look at and say, you know, 263 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: Tom Brady does this better than anybody that I've ever seen. 264 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: I could say that about Peyton Manning. I could say 265 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: that about Aaron Rodgers. I could say that about myself. 266 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: There's things that I think that I did better than anybody. 267 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: So that's the way I look at it is there's 268 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: elements of everyone's game that probably set them apart from 269 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: everybody else. Yeah, because he has the resume, but the 270 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: competitor in you still would feel like, I mean, you 271 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: didn't get to you on the doorstep of the Hall 272 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: of Fame without having belief in yourself. You know, if 273 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: somebody said, hey, are you better than Bob Costas at 274 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: certain things? I am. He's got the resume, he's got 275 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: all of the Sports Emmys. But in my mind, I 276 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: feel like, hey, I'm I can do things that he 277 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: can't do. Invite first exactly. So and there and there's 278 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: this there's this competitive edge that exists with with guys 279 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: when you're when you're you know, in the like when 280 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: you're in the mix, when you're in the moment when 281 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: you're when you're playing the game, right, Like, I always 282 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: felt like, especially maybe with quarterbacks in the NFL, that 283 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: we would all have even closer relationships if it wasn't 284 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: for the game is just so competitive, and and we 285 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: want we want to beat each other, you know, we 286 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: want to be better than than that other guy, you know. 287 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: And and I think we we recognize the areas where 288 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: someone might be better than us, you know, like I 289 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: can turn on the film and say that I recognize 290 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: where Brady is better than me, or where Rodgers is 291 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: or Kayton or you know, one of these guys. And 292 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: yet so what do I have to do to get 293 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: an edge on them? Right? Or? And obviously we're not 294 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: playing against each other in a game, but at the 295 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: same time we are because my performance has to be 296 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: better than his performance in order trust to win this game. Right. So, 297 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: so yeah, you that's how you that's how you develop 298 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: an edge. I mean, that's how you develop your strategy 299 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: for how you're going to need to approach the game 300 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: or approach your performance in order to be better. Talking 301 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: to Drew Brees, his alma mater is playing Notre Dame 302 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: coming up this Saturday at seven thirty eastern, and of 303 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: course football Night in America, it's seven eastern on Sunday. 304 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: That'll be the Chiefs and the Ravens. Last time you 305 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: spoke to Jamis Winston was when I talked him after 306 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: the game. Did you talk to him before the game? 307 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: We'll text you know. I'm in touch with him and 308 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: take himquite a bit throughout training camp, the preseason and 309 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: during the season. Are you an unofficial assistant coach? Um? 310 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: I will say this, I did have the game plan 311 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: for the game in my hands. Wait did you write 312 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: it up? Did you? Okay? Okay, the Saints gave it 313 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, the Saints gave it to me. Um, 314 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: how's Notre Dame looking by the way, you know what 315 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: they're there are five ways to win, I'll say that. Um. 316 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: You know they they open up the season down at 317 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: Florida State, which you know fans are back costing environment. 318 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: Obviously Porta State was was geeked up in that game. 319 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: You know. Notre Dame goes up by was at eighteen 320 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: points in the fourth quarter and then really allows allows 321 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: for A State to get back in that game and 322 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: tie it, and then it goes to over time and 323 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: Notre Dame finds a way to win. That game really 324 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: should have been um uh much more convincing for Notre Dame. 325 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: They just let him back in. They played Toledo at 326 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: home this last weekend. Honestly, Toledo should have beat him. 327 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: Toledo outplayter. But listen, what do what do good teams do? 328 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: They find a way to win even if they're not 329 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: playing their best football. I'd say this about Another Dame. 330 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: It's a different team than it was last year. They 331 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: lost a lot of I mean listening, had like nine 332 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: guys drafted right, so both four out of their five 333 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: OFFSI offensive linemen, a couple key defensive starters. So to me, 334 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: they're still trying to find their identity on both sides 335 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: of the ball, both offensively and defensively. You know, they 336 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: get Jack pone graderate transfer from Wisconsin. He's done a 337 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: great job for them. They've got this young true freshman 338 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: quarterback in Tyler Buckner who came in against Toledo and 339 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: was electric in what he was able to do. Defensively, 340 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: they have a new defensive coordinator and Marcus Freeman who 341 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: is bringing in this aggressive style of defense. Defensive coordinator 342 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: since an addie part of this. So you're seeing a 343 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: lot more very what they're doing, pressure, etc. But they 344 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: just haven't quite found their identity yet. I think a 345 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: lot of it's just based Carnay. Where do our strengths fly? 346 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: You know, what's our personnel look like? And then how 347 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: are we going to develop the system around that? How's 348 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: the city of New Orleans after Hurricane Idam. It's it's 349 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: on the rebounds, as New Orleans always finds a way 350 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: to do. It's so resilient and people band together and 351 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: and just work to come back. You know that this 352 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: was this was such a sudden deal, you know, the 353 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: way that either just picked up in force and hit 354 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: and hit New Orleans and really all of South Louisiana. 355 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: And I think the major issue was the power, the 356 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: power outages, you know, and just what that causes. You know, schools, 357 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: many cases, kids haven't gone back to school. You know, 358 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: a lot of families have been displaced. That's the college 359 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: high school, you all the way down. You know, the 360 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints are in Dallas right now practicing I 361 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: think for another week or two and have been since 362 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: the storm. Just so many, so many ramifications I know 363 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: that line a lot. You know, power line workers are 364 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: just working around the clock, sleeping on their cars down 365 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: in South Louisiana and trying to restore power. You know, 366 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: we're working with a bunch of organizations I Convoy with 367 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: Hope and second part of Food Bank and others to 368 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: to get get a lot of these people food resources 369 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: and things they need in order to restore powers. And 370 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: we get families back in their homes and schools back 371 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: going again. And so it's just the challenges that come 372 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: along with that. Uh, here's a little tip. If your 373 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: alma mater beats Notre Dame, don't jump up and say 374 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: we won. Okay, Yeah, they're they're trying to coach the 375 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: wei out of my my lingo when it comes to 376 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: Purdue and the Saint, you know, yeah, yeah, you can't 377 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: say we can't h that's hard. No no charing, No 378 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: charing in the press box. All right, listen, you know 379 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: what I found myself. I mean even last week, I 380 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: just I find myself sharing for really just good sound 381 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: football and you know, some offensive fireworks I like seeing. 382 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: I like seeing, you know, good schemes on offense, good concepts, 383 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: good execution. So I find myself cheering. Ever's on offense, 384 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: Safe Travels. We'll be watching on Saturday night and great 385 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: to catch up with you again, Drew Dan. Thank you. 386 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 387 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 388 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search f 389 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: SR to listen live. He's my Carment. I'm Dan Byer. 390 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: We have a brand new fantasy football podcast called I 391 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: Want Your Flex. 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Every week 396 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna scour the waiver wire to find the pickups 397 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: to turbo boost your fantasy lineup six starts, fantasy football 398 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: players rankings to get you ready to dominate the competition. 399 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: Listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike Carmen and 400 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: me Dan Buyer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast and 401 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Ken Burns is a great 402 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: documentary filmmaker. I don't know how I'm gonna make it. 403 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: This segue but I'm you know, I know you did. 404 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: But he did the Vietnam War, he did the history 405 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: of baseball, he did the Civil War. And he has 406 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: a new documentary that premiers at September nineteenth through the 407 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: twenty second on PBS, and it's a four part film 408 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: by Ken Burns, his oldest daughter Sarah and her husband 409 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: David McMahon, and Ken Burns kind enough to join us 410 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: on the program. When did Muhammad Ali become a hero? 411 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: I think he was a hero almost from the beginning 412 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: that kind of pan world here. Heroism happens at the 413 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: towards the end, as we let go of the memories 414 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: of some of the divisive aspects. But he's at the beginning. 415 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: He's saying, I'm pretty as a girl, I'm black, I'm beautiful. 416 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: He is providing many people in this country with phrases 417 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: and purchase for ideas that he didn't have. We made 418 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: a film on Jackie Robinson. He redefined black manhood, black masculinity. 419 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali came along and redefined it in a different way. 420 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: Athletes weren't supposed to speak that way. They weren't supposed 421 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: to brag, and certainly black athletes weren't supposed to do that, 422 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: and he did it anyway and just brought him into 423 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: so many people's hearts. If he turned off some other people, 424 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: and then he joins a separatist religious sect, which turns 425 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: off another group of people. And then strike three, he 426 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: refuses to induction into the United States Army, and so 427 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: we think of him as divisive. He's also quite provocative 428 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: about how he treats his opponents. Joe Frasier, for example, 429 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: Todd Boyd, the scholar, says in our film, you know, 430 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: he uses the language that a white racist would use 431 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: about a black man to describe his opponent too, black men, 432 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: and it's inexcusable, and yet emerging out of it is 433 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: a person always with a sort of a joada vivra, 434 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: a kind of great sense of humor, a sense of 435 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: natural promoting in a very American sense, and a kind 436 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: of beauty. I mean, he's the greatest athlete of the 437 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: twentieth century, maybe of all time. He's won the championship 438 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: three times, even though he lost three and a half 439 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: years at the height of his power because of his 440 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: religious beliefs. This is a black man saying I won't 441 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: fight in the Vietnam war for religious reasons. An American 442 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: can only hear black man doesn't want to go. He's 443 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: giving us the middle finger. This is a political gesture. 444 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: So even though the prosecutors are suggesting a more lenient sentence, 445 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: the judge sends into the maximum five years, and when 446 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: he's exonerated, he begins to come back. He begins a 447 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: climb that begins with some wins, but most significantly in 448 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: the Fight of the Century and seventy one against Joe Frasier, 449 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: a loss which he takes very well. He's behind on points, 450 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: he goes out in the last round, he's knocked down, 451 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: he gets back up again. He's very soft spoken and 452 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: speaks about the larger sense of being a role model, 453 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: even in loss. And from then on it's just Robert 454 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: Lipside in our film says, Joe Frasier won the fight, 455 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: but Muhammad Ali won America. And I think from that 456 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: moment on it just goes exponentially so that when he 457 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: dies not too long ago, as you know, twenty sixteen, 458 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: he dies the most beloved person on the planet, which 459 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: has got to tell you something. I couldn't help but 460 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: notice this ken when I'm watching this, that it's almost 461 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: like he was, he was able to listen to what 462 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: people say about you after you die. Because once Muhammad Ali, 463 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: like he was awake for his funeral because he was, 464 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: people were they were comfortable talking about Ali as if 465 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: he was past because he couldn't speak. And it just 466 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: dawned on me that what that must have been like 467 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: for Ali to listen. I mean, he probably loved it 468 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: because you know, still talking. Yeah, they were saying all 469 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: these nice things. I was also curious about his ring Bravado, 470 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: and it brought about images of maybe wrestling, like wrestlers 471 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: were over the top and gregarious, and I wondered, because 472 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: we didn't have that. Boxers weren't like that, Athletes weren't 473 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: like that, Like, where did that come from? Well, you know. 474 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: David Remnick, the writer and biographer early biographer of Cassius 475 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: Clay Muhammad Ali, also talked about one of the great 476 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: inspirational moments. He's in Las Vegas for a fight, but 477 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: he goes and he sees gorgeous George, who was the 478 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: villain in wrestling, who permed up his hair and was 479 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: preening and whatever and wearing this outlandish stuff and and 480 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: kind of on drogynus at times, and he understood that 481 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: it didn't matter. People paid to see him and paid 482 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: to hate him, and that's what he said, boo his throat, peanuts, 483 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: but whatever you do, pay to get in. And I 484 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: think he understood a fundamental aspect of American hype of 485 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: Pete Barnumism is that it didn't really matter and that 486 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: he could still be provocative. May I just admit, as 487 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: I should have at the start? This is a film 488 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: directed by my daughter Sarah Burns and David McMahon, her husband. 489 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: We've been collaborating together and a lot of things as 490 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: well as me. But it's also to acknowledge there are 491 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: lots of documentaries on Muhammad Ali, and there are several 492 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: really good documentaries on Muhammad Ale, really really good, and 493 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: we don't mean to suggest that they are not. We 494 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: wanted to do something comprehensive from boyhood, birth and boyhood 495 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: and segregated Jim Crow Louisville to death by Parkinson's in 496 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and not just follow the fights and not 497 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: just pay lip service to the nation of this, but 498 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: understand him as being a human being on a very 499 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: legitimate and genuine spiritual quest and also the personal stuff 500 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: in the family and the biography and the wives and 501 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: the children, and so this is this is as I think, 502 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 1: as comprehensive as you can get in terms of the 503 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: arc of the life of one of the most extraordinary 504 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: Americans who's ever lived. It's a four part film by 505 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: Ken and his daughter and her husband, and a premier 506 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: September nineteenth through the twenty second on on PBS. How 507 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 1: do you find the sweet spot for a documentary? You know, 508 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: you would you would presume that this is an additive process, 509 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: you know, like building a house. It's subtractive Dan, you know, 510 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: we collect you know, this is eight hours long. We've 511 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,959 Speaker 1: got four or five hundred hours of material, right, and 512 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: then you're distilling it, to use a Louisville, Kentucky term, 513 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: you're distilling it down to a kind of essence. And 514 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: so our cutting room floor is not filled with bad stuff. 515 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: It fills with really really good stuff that you look 516 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: at and go, burns, You've lost your mind. Why isn't 517 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: that in there? And you go, well, it was there 518 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: for six months, but it seemed to destabilize that. So 519 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: our process is always being open, you know, it's not 520 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: a set research period followed by a writing period that 521 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: produces a script that informs the shooting and editing. Boom done. 522 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: We never stopped researching, and we found stuff no one 523 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: has ever put forward before. Because we spent PBS. We 524 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: spent seven years. No suit is saying I need this 525 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: by the summer. How often do people stop you on 526 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: the street and say, I got a great idea for 527 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: a documentary? Every day? What's the strangest so well, what 528 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: one person wanted to be? They said, here, I'm giving you. 529 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: They mailed this in. I'm giving you the four volumes 530 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: of my grandfather's memoir of his Civil War years. Although 531 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: I'd done the Civil War. Turns out he never left Maine. 532 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: But but you know, self published this memoir. Okay, So 533 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: I finally, after about ten years, I did it up. 534 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: The number one thing is railroads, The number two things lay, 535 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: the next thing is education, and then they're just you know, 536 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: you got to do this, and they're all right, And 537 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm working on seven films right now because I am 538 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: sixty eight years old, and I know if I were 539 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: given a thousand years to live, which I will not, 540 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: I would not run out of topics in American history. 541 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: And so I want to do. I've got four different 542 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: producing teams, Sarenda or one of them, and we're just 543 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: working on as many as we can in different stages 544 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: of undress. And because I'm greedy for that experience of 545 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: finding the sweet spot. I mean, I want to put 546 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: my head on the pillow at the end of the 547 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: day and say, God, I made at least one of them. 548 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: Better give me the sports documentary that hasn't been done 549 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: but should be. That's a really good question. I tried 550 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: in baseball. I did an update the tenth inning. I 551 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: promise people that if the Cubs won the World Series 552 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: two an eleventh inning and I was so safe, George 553 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: Will said, well, they're having a bad century, and it 554 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: turned out that's all it was, was a bad sent 555 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: tree in a decade. So I've got to do that 556 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: at some point. There's a lot of nice new stuff 557 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: about it, but I got to just find a band 558 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: with to do that. You know, I love baseball. It's 559 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: the greatest sport ever invented. I love football a lot, 560 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: and I'd like to see something done. I guess in 561 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: football that isn't just you know, the dramas of the 562 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: reality TV nature of the of the behind the scenes. 563 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what that is right now, but nothing 564 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: compares to baseball. And it's funny. I'm not a boxing fan. 565 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: I made two boxing films. They total, you know, twelve 566 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: hours of time on Jack Johnson four and on this 567 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: one eight. But it's only because these two men were 568 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: so transcendent. I mean a lot of the sports writers 569 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: who I've done lots of interviews with, and we've got 570 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: three of the very best writer Lipside, Dave Kindred and 571 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: and and Jerry Eisenberg in the film, who were cubs 572 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: growing up with Muhammad Ali and love him and care 573 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: about him and remember each bad punch. But you know 574 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: I would I skeech one and no one's answered. I said, 575 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: who's the heavyweight champion? Right now? It doesn't matter. After 576 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali, you got a little dribble of Mike Tyson 577 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: and then you know what, it does not matter until 578 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: somebody else like him comes along. And hate to give 579 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: away the plot, no one like Muhammad Ali is ever 580 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: coming along again. Do you need coffee or a nap? 581 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't drink coffee because there's no problem getting me 582 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: out of bed. What I need is, you know, the 583 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: conk on the head at the end of the day 584 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 1: because you know it just just to shut the thing up. 585 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: Thank you, Ken, well done as always, thank you, great 586 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: to be with you.