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Speaker 1: Hope you guys are having a great New Year's accomplishing

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Speaker 1: all your New Year's resolutions and staying healthy. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Richard Sherman Podcast. And guess what, Mitchell, The

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Speaker 1: season is over and the Seattle Seahawks have won the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Who could have predicted it? Who could have

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Speaker 1: saw that coming? This guy, this guy got this got

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Speaker 1: thought of that chance. An incredible game, an incredible game

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Speaker 1: planning by Mike McDonald from start to finish. I got

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Speaker 1: so much to talk about, so many details. I sat

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Speaker 1: there after the game, got talked to some of the coaches,

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Speaker 1: some of the players, got some insight. No names associated

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Speaker 1: with these quotes and information, but wow did they take

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Speaker 1: their time dissecting these New England Patriots Mitchell from the

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Speaker 1: hand signals, to the to the to when he lifted

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Speaker 1: his foot, to offensive line stances and these are all

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Speaker 1: things that all teams study and all teams teams try

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Speaker 1: to understand. But the way in which the Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 1: understood the New England Patriots was I mean, they understood

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Speaker 1: them like they they've known them their entire lives. I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing they understood what they had for breakfast that morning,

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Speaker 1: the probiotics they take. Mitchell, I'm talking about how much

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Speaker 1: apple juice they had that week. I'm talking about to

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Speaker 1: the screws. And that's why you cannot give Mike McDonald

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Speaker 1: this kind of time. He's obsessive, compulsive. He is obsessed,

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Speaker 1: and they when they talked about how he prepared and

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Speaker 1: the things he studying, like, I don't think fans truly

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Speaker 1: are understanding the time he's putting in to understand, to

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Speaker 1: to do in these situations so he can put his

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Speaker 1: putting pressure on his players to perform and understand and recognize.

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Speaker 1: Although you got really smart and talented players who can

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Speaker 1: putting it on himself to call the perfect play. You

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Speaker 1: got to give Devin Witherspoon a ton of credit. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the story all week was can Nick m and Worry play?

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Speaker 1: How bad's the ankle? Is he going to be one

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Speaker 1: not matter. That's a Nick Emon Worry was fine. But

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Speaker 1: the way they attacked Will Campbell throughout this game, the

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Speaker 1: the history between Derek Carr and Will Campbell. Because I

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Speaker 1: had a conversation with him and he was like, I

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Speaker 1: misunderstandings about who I was dealing with, and I had

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Speaker 2: He's a bus. He's a bus.

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Speaker 1: This is this is a message to all the fans

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Speaker 1: because sometimes it takes a second to get it. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you need a little more veteran presence, a few more

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Speaker 1: We do not care. We do not care about what

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Speaker 3: Yes, psychotic, Richard. It's wild and just from my perspective,

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Speaker 3: this is one of the more dominant performances in a

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Speaker 3: This defense is high flying, they're prolific. They're obviously top

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Speaker 3: that this team wasn't the best team in the league,

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Speaker 3: they shut that down during the Super Bowl. This team

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Speaker 3: definitely is the best team in the league. I don't

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Speaker 3: think there's any questions about it. The New England Patriots,

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Speaker 3: to me, looked like they were shocked at how good

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Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks were, especially defensively on the offensive side

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Speaker 3: of the ball. My boy K nine, Richard, Well, I'd

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Speaker 3: like to humbly admit I called a couple of weeks

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Speaker 3: He was a heavy dose of K nine early and

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Speaker 2: It was incredible.

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Speaker 1: I knew they would need to lean on the run

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Speaker 1: I mean they held him to nine points at halftime.

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Speaker 1: He didn't get impatient, he didn't do anything where that

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Speaker 1: he averaged forty almost forty eight yards of punt. It

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Speaker 1: was just it was magnificent. And that just goes to

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Speaker 1: how complete the Seattle Seahawks team is from top to

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Speaker 1: bottle bottom defensively, offensively, every man mattered in this game,

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Speaker 1: and every phase matters, and you could see the energy

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Speaker 1: and attention of detail that they put into every phase

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Speaker 1: of this team. And that's why they have the ultimate

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Speaker 1: success of winning a Super Bowl and making it look easy.

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Speaker 1: Everybody said the game against the Rams, the NFC Championship

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Speaker 1: was the super Bowl, and that's the way it looked.

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Speaker 1: That's the way it looked. After watching this game, you know,

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Speaker 1: people were like, Oh, this is so boring. It was

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Speaker 1: not boring. It wasn't a boring game. It was a

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Speaker 1: team that was well coached and uberly prepared for this moment,

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Speaker 1: playing against the team that was less prepared, playing against

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Speaker 2: Issues that they were going to have to deal with.

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Speaker 1: And I don't like that narrative because it motivates the

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Speaker 1: league to create more rules and things to help these

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Speaker 1: offenses have suc success that they don't deserve, Like.

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Speaker 2: This game is about.

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Speaker 1: Running and hitting and being physical, being detailed, like doing

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Speaker 1: your job effectively. And every time they make another rule

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Speaker 1: to handicap the defense and pump up the offense like

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Speaker 1: you cheap in the game. And so don't I don't

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Speaker 1: like fans saying, oh, Man, it wasn't enough points, and

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Speaker 1: we didn't see touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: And big plays. You didn't see sloppy defense.

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Speaker 1: You've seen two well coached defenses and offenses that were

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Speaker 1: trying to manipulate them and trying to dictate the pace

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Speaker 1: that could not. The plays that were there were made.

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Speaker 1: The players that were not there were not gonna be made.

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Speaker 1: This New England Patriots offense has not been anything special

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Speaker 1: during these playoffs. I didn't expect them to be anything

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Speaker 1: special this week. I thought they should have lost multiple times.

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Speaker 1: They deserved to lose multiple times, and that defense kept

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Speaker 1: them in a game. You talked about the Houston Texans game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if CJ. Stroud doesn't have those turnovers, I

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Speaker 1: don't think they I don't think they're in that game.

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Speaker 1: I don't think their offense did anything to say, man,

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Speaker 1: they really got the Houston Texans defense pig because they didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they did anything really extraordinary against the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Chargers defense beat him up. That's why

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Speaker 1: Drake may has been sacked, was sacked fifteen times in

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Speaker 1: those three games, and the Seattle Seahawks exposed that. Will

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Speaker 1: Campbell he was set. I don't know, because I don't

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Speaker 1: know offensive line talk, but from what I'm understanding, he

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Speaker 1: wasn't getting his feet said, he wasn't shooting his hands

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Speaker 1: early enough, and that led to him getting beat multiple times.

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Speaker 1: But he's been beat like a drum this entire playoff run.

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Speaker 1: When your first round pick, top four pick is a

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Speaker 1: fish out there, and that's the way they see him

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Speaker 1: on tape. Regardless of how you feel it, feel about it.

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Speaker 1: It's a chess game, and if one of the pieces

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Speaker 1: attacks or anything like that. When the Seattle Seahawks prepared

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Speaker 2: It did.

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Speaker 1: They thought boy Fay's speed, They thought DeMarcus Lawrence's speed

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Speaker 2: They thought these.

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Speaker 1: Things would be an issue for that young man. And

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Speaker 1: then even the left guard. You got a rookie left

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Speaker 1: side of your offensive line. I think they gave up

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Speaker 1: nine of the nineteen pressures that the Patriots gave up,

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Speaker 1: and they gave up three sacks. Because it's youth, you know,

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Speaker 1: will they get better, Will they get stronger, Will they

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Speaker 2: No question about it.

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Speaker 1: Could they be all pros, all world players in the future,

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Speaker 1: No question about it. But in this game, it's very

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Speaker 1: That's what this defense did consistently. They prepared really well,

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Speaker 3: You know what, there was so many bright spots defensively

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Speaker 3: who stood out to you the I mean, I know

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Speaker 3: in that draft to take him well the fifth overall. Right,

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Speaker 3: So that to take him top five and see something

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Speaker 3: in a product out of Illinois, Richard, Who did you

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Speaker 1: And that's impossible to say, because yes, I love Devin Witherspoon.

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Speaker 1: I mean he plays like a maniac every game. He

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Speaker 1: bigger than his weight in size, says, and he does

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Speaker 1: it consistently. But if you look at Derek Hale and

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Speaker 1: the impact he had in this game huge, If you

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Speaker 1: incredible season as quietly, quietly, quietly quiet of a great

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Speaker 1: season as I've seen in this league. And if he

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Speaker 1: I think the Seahawks are gonna do something to extend him.

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Speaker 1: He's very important to what they do defensively. Again, Tarik

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Speaker 1: Wooland played a played a really good game, had the

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Speaker 1: gonna break to the dig you break. As soon as

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Speaker 1: That's what happens against Pooka in the court. That's what

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Speaker 1: Nick Emmin Warrior, I think the entire defense could have

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say it wasn't to their credit,

650
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: but obviously c J. Stroud had a horrendous showing. And

651
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: then ultimately they play the Broncos without bone Nicks. What

652
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: does this say about the AFC? Is this just a

653
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: down year for the AFC or the Seattle Seahawks just

654
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: that dominant.

655
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: Well, it's not a down year. I mean I yes, yes,

656
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: it's down year. Let's not go crazy about that. Because

657
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: if you walk into the playoffs without Patrick Mahomes there,

658
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: without Lamar Jackson, which who could have easily made the

659
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: playoffs with. You know, the miskick changed all everybody's trajectory

660
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: in that game. But without those guys in the playoffs

661
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: for that side, they're so top heavy, so quarterback centric.

662
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: Pretty much anybody you put out there after that was

663
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: going to struggle with this defense. Now, the Denver Broncos

664
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: had a defense that they felt really good about vance

665
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: Joseph in his scheme. They've done a really good job

666
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: all season long. I thought that would have made a

667
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: really fun defensive game had they made it. Unfortunately, bo

668
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: Knicks get gets injured. I think second to third last

669
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: play of the game. Otherwise that would have been the

670
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: Super Bowl rematch that everybody was looking for to to

671
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: really good defenses going at it. We saw the way

672
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks battled against the Houston Texans in that

673
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: ferocious defense. They found a way to make that a

674
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: doll fight in Seattle. So that would have been a

675
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: good matchup. But unfortunately it didn't work out that way.

676
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: So you don't want to say anything's luck, because it's not.

677
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: They won those games. They didn't tell Sean Payton not

678
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: to kick the field goal, they didn't do all that.

679
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: They won the game that was in front of them,

680
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: so they earned their way to be there. I did

681
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: not think anybody on the AFC side would be able

682
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: to beat the Rams or the Seahawks, if I'm being honest,

683
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: regardless of who it was in the playoff field that

684
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: that was that made it this year.

685
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: So I don't, I don't. It's it's just one of

686
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: those years.

687
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: You know, there are other years where you look up

688
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: and the Kansas City Chiefs looked like the class of

689
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: the the NFL, and you look like, hey, who on

690
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: the NFC side is gonna gonna be able to battle

691
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: with them, and you know, use this the Niners or

692
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: the Eagles, and and then it's a dog fight. And

693
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahons may pill it out, he may not. But

694
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: without him in it, the AFC just didn't seem as formidable.

695
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this game was was wasn't ever

696
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: gonna be close, but I called it being a two

697
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: touchdown game, and it was a two touchdown guy.

698
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: It did. It's sure was.

699
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: And their quarterback, Drake May, I mean, listen, he was

700
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: in this MVP conversation, whether you thought he deserved to

701
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: be or not, and it became a lot closer of

702
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: a race for that m VP than I think a

703
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: lot of folks anticipated. Matthews effort narrowly want it. In fact,

704
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: he received twenty four first place votes to Drake May's

705
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: twenty three. Richard, Drake May struggled this game. I think

706
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: the entire New England Patriot offense struggled this game. But

707
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 3: obviously with loss comes opportunity to grow. What do you

708
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: think that Drake May needs to focus on most in

709
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: order to take that next step and be an MVP

710
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 3: in this league.

711
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's a lot of things, and it's not

712
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: all on Drake may not all the things are in

713
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: his control. They need to They need a more talented team.

714
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: He needs more protection. You can't you can't get sacked.

715
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: I think he was sacked twenty two times in these playoffs,

716
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, twenty two times, and his shoulder was hurt.

717
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: And you can't play that that way and expect to

718
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: have a ton of success. You got to protect him.

719
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: He has to do a better job getting the football

720
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: out quickly. But Josh McDaniel has to give him some

721
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: hot reads. They have to give him answers when when

722
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: there's blitz is coming and you got deep developing routes

723
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: and nobody's hot, nobody's looking when it's time for him

724
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 1: to win, the pressures on the way and he needs

725
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: an outlet, you have to give him an outlet.

726
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: So you have to set him up for success.

727
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's an effort that includes the entire

728
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: coaching staff to say, hey, we got to be able

729
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: to recognize these these pressures, recognize who we're playing against,

730
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: and give him answers that he can get to really

731
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: quickly if pressure gets home. And I think that's a

732
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: big part of it. I think getting him more talent

733
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: at receiver. I like Kayshawan Boody, I like Douglas. Obviously

734
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: Diggs is a veteran who does it well, but I

735
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: think they need to continue to invest in that position.

736
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: I don't mccollins is the one who makes the big

737
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: play in the Super Bowl, Like he's the one who

738
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: scores a touchdown for you to kind of get going.

739
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what they expected when they signed him.

740
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: You need a big time receiver that can go get it.

741
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: Do they make a trade for AJ Brown or a

742
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: receiver like that, who's who's a real, bona fide number

743
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: one receiver. I think that's what's gonna have to happen.

744
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to see some growth from Trevion Henderson.

745
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: His his opportunities were limited because of how bad he

746
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: was in the past game. He couldn't pass protect. They

747
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: couldn't trust him in pass protection, so you can't be

748
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: out there. So with mindre Stevenson, who isn't as good

749
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: and as explosive as Travion Hendrickson in a past game,

750
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: has to be out there because he's more reliable in

751
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: past blocking. They know he's gonna pick up the right guy.

752
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna be where he's supposed to be and be

753
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: and not be a liability out there. So that's some

754
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: on the personnel and the players just getting better at

755
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: their job. But I think you have to surround him

756
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: with more talent. I didn't think it was a close

757
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: race for the for the MVP at all, And I

758
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: think that's what I hate about the voting now, is

759
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: their justification for things is like, hey, this guy's team

760
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: is worse and and they're doing better than you expect

761
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: him to, so he's the MVP. Like that's not that's

762
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: not That's not it for me. Who's playing better? And

763
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,479
Speaker 1: if and this goes both ways, if Drake May had

764
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: had thrown for what was it, forty forty six touchdowns

765
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: and had eight interceptions and we beat screaming the same way,

766
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: that Drake May should be the MVP.

767
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: But you're not gonna say a guy with.

768
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: Double digit less touch passing touchdowns is better than the

769
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: other guy. I'm sorry. That's not the world we live in.

770
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: And I don't even like the discussion, like, well, you

771
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: don't understand the full scope.

772
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 2: Yes I do.

773
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: I understand that I watched Matthew Stafford playing the most

774
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: competitive division in the National Football League and put up

775
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: those numbers. I watched him play against this same Seattle

776
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: Seahawks defense that Drake May struggled royally with during the

777
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: regular season and throw for four to seventy four seventy

778
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: and five touchdowns like that. That was the end of

779
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: it right there. That should have ended. It ended the conversation.

780
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: I did not see a signature performance like that from

781
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: Drake May against a really top defense, and that is

782
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: that his fault that they didn't go against one of

783
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: the great defenses.

784
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: No, it's not.

785
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: But if you're if you're not gonna put up those

786
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: kind of points. And everybody points to Matthew Stafford's one

787
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: yard touchdowns or whatever the case may be. I think

788
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: he had a double digit of those with connecting with

789
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: uh Davante Davonte Davante Adams. But at the end of

790
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: the day, stats or stats, maybe stats are stats. Numbers

791
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: are numbers, and he's out there playing like this in

792
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: the biggest games. They lost that game to the Seattle

793
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: Seahawks that he threw and it wasn't garbage time they

794
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: were battling. It's an overtime game. He scored in overtime,

795
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: he gave his team a chance. They scored, got the

796
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: pat The Seahawks just went for two and got it.

797
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: The only reason he loses that game is because he

798
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: doesn't have another chance. He left. He left the field

799
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: with the league, and so as a quarterback, he did

800
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: everything you could to put your team in position. Yes,

801
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: he has pooping, the cool and and a great team

802
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: around him, but that's what happens. Rarely are you gonna

803
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: have a great offense without great players around you. Rarely

804
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: are you gonna see MVPs without Pro bowlers on their team.

805
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: It's rare, and sure it happens, but it's only happening

806
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: more nowadays because there's some weird fixation with with saying, hey, man,

807
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: these guys it's a feel good story. Like, man, they

808
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: shouldn't be here, like just a National Football League guys,

809
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: like numbers have to matter. If numbers don't matter, then

810
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: let's stop. Let's stop having it and just give it

811
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: to whoever you feel good about. You know, Hey, who's

812
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: the who's the most unlikely hero this year? That's the MVP.

813
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: That's not how it works, and that's not how it

814
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: worked before. And so if they would have not gave

815
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: it to Stafford with forty six touchdowns to eight interceptions.

816
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean that this probably would have been the last

817
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: time I had any respect for this award. This probably

818
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: would have been the last time I even thought about it.

819
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you.

820
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: I mean, not only did it beat them statistically, but

821
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: more obvious to me was the eye test. And I

822
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: think it's just got to be SIMI, who would you

823
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 3: want to face?

824
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: Less?

825
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: I would far less like to face Matthew Stafford than

826
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: I would Drake May. Matthew Stafford's got that killer instinct

827
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: and he showed it all season long, Richard. For the

828
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks to take care of him, both in the

829
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: division and in the playoffs is a remarkable testament to

830
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: how good this team is.

831
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: Richard.

832
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this roster, and this Seattle Seahawks roster

833
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: is young. They've got a lot of cap space going

834
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: into this offseason. I'm just gonna rattle off some names

835
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 3: here for you. Nick m and Warre twenty one, Bira

836
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: Murphy twenty three, JSN twenty three, Tory Horton twenty three,

837
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 3: Gray's Abel twenty three, Devin Witherspoon twenty five, Charles Cross

838
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 3: twenty five, Charbona twenty five, K nine twenty five, Kobe

839
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: Bryant twenty six, Ernest Jones twenty six, Riek Wooland twenty six,

840
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 3: Rashid Shaheed twenty seven, your Boy, Julian Love twenty seven,

841
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: and Sam Darnold who's under team control twenty eight. Do

842
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: we have a die in the making here in Seattle?

843
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, but it feels like it. Yeah.

844
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: I hate getting getting ut the cart before the horse,

845
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: but they won the first one and they want it

846
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: in convincing fashion, and you feel good about the team

847
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: coming back. You feel good about the scheme and the

848
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Will Clint Kobiak going to the Raiders matter, Yes,

849
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: it'll matter. Will there be continuity? You have a veteran

850
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: quarterback who knows how to navigate this offense, who knows

851
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, That's why quarterbacks are so important, because the

852
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is great. But a quarterback who also understands

853
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: the scheme, understands what they do well, and that's not leaving.

854
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: And so I think having Sam there for another year,

855
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: And you gotta remember this is his first year with

856
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: these guys. They lost Tory Horton earlier in the year.

857
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: They lost some of their weapons earlier in the year,

858
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: and they'll get those guys back, and I think they'll

859
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: invest even more on the offensive side because they feel

860
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: great about what they have on the defensive side. I

861
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to try to draft more D lineman,

862
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: even though I mean, you can never have enough. I

863
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: think guys are more op to take team friendly deals

864
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: because of how successful and how great this staff is,

865
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: how great this team is, how great the culture is,

866
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: and I don't think they want to go anywhere else.

867
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: They know they have something special here. I don't think

868
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: they're going to lose a lot of coaches to Clink

869
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: Kubiak's staff, because it's that's such an unknown, you know,

870
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: and such an unstable organization. They've fired multiple coaches within

871
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: the after the first year coaching. So do you want

872
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: to leave a potential dynasty to go somewhere that where

873
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: your staff could be fired if things don't go well

874
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: and you don't have you're not inheriting a really talented

875
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: team to begin with. So I don't think that he's

876
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: going to take a lot of the staff with him,

877
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: But we'll see how that goes. But I think this

878
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: is a sustainable model with the way they have it constructed,

879
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: and I look forward to them using Heed in a

880
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: more aggressive way and working hard. They have a lot

881
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: of caps, but they have a lot of guys they

882
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: have to retain, and I think they're gonna work to

883
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: retain them. And you know, I think they're gonna work

884
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: to retain Kobe Bryant and Josh Joe to start to

885
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: wreak Wooland. I think there will be a conversation, but

886
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: I expect him to go out and get a lot

887
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: of money.

888
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: You know.

889
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a highly sought after

890
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: free agent, especially for man centric teams. And will the

891
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: Seaouts be able to match him? Will they be able

892
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: to convince him to stay. I think Josh Joe will

893
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: be more of a discounted price because he's undrafted.

894
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: This is his first year. Was he a full time starter.

895
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: He didn't have the the he doesn't have the baggage

896
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: that not necessarily baggage, but he doesn't have the he

897
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: doesn't have necessarily the success that Tarik Wooland has shown.

898
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: Tarik Wooland was a pro bowler. He's gotten a little

899
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: bit of accolades. He's shown success in his state, the

900
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: ability to take the football away. So I think they'll

901
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: work hard to retain Josh Joe, but it'll still be

902
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: double digits. It'll still be ten plus million dollars that

903
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: they have to spend per year to retain him. Kenneth

904
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: Walker is obviously the biggest name on this list. The

905
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP. He has to be retained. How he

906
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: played at the end of the year almost made it.

907
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: It was like the light popped on, like he gets it.

908
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: He gets it more now than he ever has. So

909
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: you have to work hard to retain your guys. And

910
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: how much does it costing to retain a running back?

911
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: Nowadays it's gonna be thirteen million, fourteen million. The CAP's

912
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: just going up. You're not paying your quarterback top of

913
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 1: the market. That's why you're able to retain these guys.

914
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: But you have to. That's an important part of these

915
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: dynasties is being able to retain the guys that helped

916
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: you get there.

917
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's safe to say. John Schneider is on an

918
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 3: absolute heater. The way he's been drafting Richard. His draft

919
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: picks is succession of drafts kickstarted the LB era right

920
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: when you cam Bobby. You know, obviously they got the

921
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: quarterback in Russell, and to get Sam Darnold and pluck

922
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: him out of free agency, and then to have a

923
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: draft with Nick Ammin, Warre, Grey Zabel, you know, obviously

924
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: Byron Murphy at JSN. All these guys come in recent drafts.

925
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 3: You know, now it's time to turn the page to

926
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: the free agency. Out of all those names that you

927
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: just listed, which one do you think is most important

928
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: that they secure and bring back next year.

929
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's Kenneth Walker. It's Kenneth Walker. You just saw.

930
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: Zach Charbonne was a very important part of this season,

931
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: and when he was injured, I think there was a

932
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: lot of uncertainty for a lot of people because they've

933
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: done it by committee for so long this season. You know,

934
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: they split carries because you don't want to put all

935
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: the workload on one running back. They K nine was

936
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: a little beat up throughout his career when he had

937
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: to take those kind of carries consistently. And what he

938
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: showed over the last five games is he could carry

939
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: the workload once the end of the season came, like, hey,

940
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: maybe throughout the season he does need some by committee,

941
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, help to take some of

942
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: the pressure off of But when it's money time, you

943
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: can lean on him in that way and expect him

944
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: to have success. And I think that's important to continuity

945
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: there is important. So to it allow him to walk

946
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: away with what he just did this playoff run would

947
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: just be silly to me. And I don't think he

948
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: wants to go, and I don't think the team wants

949
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: him to go, So I think that's the most important piece,

950
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: and I think the rest of the pieces falling in

951
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: place after you get him secure.

952
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: Your spot on. I mean, it's very unfortunate what happened

953
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 3: to Zach Charbonnay with the ACL injury, but no one

954
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: benefited from it more than Kenneth Walker. Like I said,

955
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: I witness his first hand when he was at Michigan State.

956
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: He was alone back in that backfield, was carrying the

957
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 3: ball thirty plus times a game to no problem, wearing

958
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: down defenses. I think the rest of the world got

959
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: to see that on Super Bowl Sunday, Kenneth Walker taking

960
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 3: over twenty seven carries over one hundred and thirty yards rushing.

961
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I think he's very vital that they

962
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 3: bring back. Obviously, Kobe Bryant has come on here this year.

963
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 3: You mentioned jobs show Reek wooland, but they have gotten

964
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: an embarrassment of riches on the defensive side of the ball.

965
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: I to agree K nine is a must bring back

966
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: for this team. Richard. It's been a hell of a run.

967
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 3: You were one of the few I would say that

968
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 3: called this from training camp. And but go ahead, because.

969
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: I want to address this thing because they're gonna keep

970
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: doing it and unless we address it the dress the way,

971
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: my friend, the whole comparison thing is l O B

972
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: MLB comparison thing that they want to continue to do

973
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: and who's better? And I love I loved what they

974
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: did this season. It was fantastic. But we live in

975
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: a day and age everybody feels the need to compare, compare, compare?

976
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: Is this better than that? Is this better than that?

977
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: Is this person better than this person who played this time?

978
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: Like we don't know, we don't know, But sometimes you

979
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: don't have to compare. You know, It's like great art, Mitchell,

980
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: do you do you compare like a van go to

981
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: a Picasso? Like no, you just appreciate they're both beautiful.

982
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: You know, you appreciate that they're both incredible pieces of

983
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: art by incredible artists. You don't need to say, well,

984
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: Picassos is better because Van Goldes was better, or a

985
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: Michael Angelo's was better because of this. No, you don't

986
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: need to do it. You don't need to do it.

987
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: Just appreciate the art, Appreciate the incredibly dominant Super Bowl

988
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: champion team that you just got to witness. These guys

989
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: are incredible in their own right. They don't need to

990
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: be associated with us or compared or you know, two

991
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: point zero or two. They are one point zero, original,

992
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: unique versions of themselves, and they did an incredible job,

993
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: had an incredible season, and they deserve all the shine

994
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: and credit. Y'all don't need to tie them in to

995
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: us in any way to take away their shine. Let

996
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: them shine, baby. They went out there and did it.

997
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: We didn't have nothing to do with it.

998
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: You know.

999
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: We talked to guys a little bit, try to try

1000
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: to answer questions and support them in the ways any

1001
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: veteran and any old guys would. But at the end

1002
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: of the day, these guys went out here and did

1003
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: something incredibly special, had a dominant season in an incredible way.

1004
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: When the odds were really long. I think there were

1005
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: sixty to one. I think it was the most improbable

1006
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion like the last twenty years, which is

1007
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: a testament to the guys in the building. And I

1008
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: thought again when I went in training camp. When I

1009
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: went to training camp, you could feel it. You could

1010
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: feel the attention of detail, you could feel the hunger,

1011
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: you could feel the how locked in everybody was and

1012
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: how much they care. And that's why I felt good

1013
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: about them winning the division and particularly winning the Super Bowl,

1014
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: because that you don't have that everywhere. Everybody doesn't take

1015
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: this serious and everybody doesn't have that cohesiveness, that togetherness,

1016
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: that brotherhood. I could feel the brotherhood starting with the

1017
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: offensive line. And what's crazy is Grey's Abel was at

1018
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: the heart of that. Greysabel was at the heart of

1019
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: the jailing of the offensive line coming together throughout training camp,

1020
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: and I think he's a big reason they have the

1021
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: success they do. I mean, obviously him and Sondale played

1022
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: together at North Dakota State, but the way he and

1023
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: Charles Cross had a relationship. Charles Cross in training camp, like,

1024
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: hey man, I can't miss practice because I can't let

1025
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: my guy down. This is training camp, and sometimes guys

1026
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: are so quick to be selfish in training camp for

1027
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: the seeing, Ah, I got to do what's best for me,

1028
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: and that's fine, you know what I mean, nothing wrong

1029
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: with that. But when you're trying to win Super Bowls,

1030
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: it's we over me, And when you try to get

1031
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: paid and have a long career, sometimes those things are

1032
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: online the same way. Sometimes it's me over we because

1033
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: I got to make sure my family's fed. I gotta

1034
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: make sure my body sustains for a long time. But

1035
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: when I started to hear those things in training camp,

1036
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: I said, oh, this team might have the makings of

1037
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: something really cool, because it's not always about talent level.

1038
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: When you got guys that will play for one another,

1039
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: when you got guys that will sacrifice for one another.

1040
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: When you got guys that will go out there and

1041
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: put their body in harm's way, not for selfish gains

1042
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: or selfish needs, but because they care about the guy

1043
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: next to them.

1044
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: That's when you have special teams.

1045
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: And then you get into situations where things get adverse,

1046
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: things get crazy, things get out of hand.

1047
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: Instead of attacking and each.

1048
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: Guy you know, I mean imploding, you do like a

1049
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: family do does and you overcome it together. And I

1050
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: think that's what I understood about this team, and that's

1051
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: what I saw on training camp, along with Mike McDonald's

1052
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: scheme and how much he cares and how detailed he is,

1053
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: and how much humility and how humble of a man

1054
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: he is. His confidence and his trust and everything that

1055
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: he's built comes from the work he puts in, the

1056
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: work that his staff puts in there. There's no fluff

1057
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: about it, no fluff about who they are and what

1058
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: they put out there. It's the work that they're putting in.

1059
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: They don't it's no guesswork involved. They want to put

1060
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: their guys in the best position possible and get the

1061
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: best guys out there to go out there and do

1062
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: the job.

1063
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: It's nothing personal. It's all business.

1064
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: And those guys were in an incredible business, incredible team,

1065
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: incredible culture, and congratulations to them.

1066
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 3: The Seattle Seahawks are taking over modern day football right now, Richards.

1067
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 3: Since two thousand and two, they have ten division titles,

1068
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: they got four Super Bowl upeararance is, they got two

1069
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 3: Lombardi trophies hanging in their trophy case. Now they're starting

1070
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 3: to make some other fan bases envious. I mean they've

1071
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 3: turned into a juggernaut. I don't see it stopping anytime soon.

1072
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 3: I think that this team is gonna go on a

1073
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: little bit of a run here, Richard. Whether they can

1074
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 3: replicate this year or not, they're gonna be highly competitive

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Speaker 3: going into next season. The twelves in Seattle, congratulations, you

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Speaker 3: guys deserve this. Rocking the Seattle Seahawks hat and support.

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Speaker 2: Richard.

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Speaker 3: It's been a hell of a year. Love sitting down

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Speaker 3: with you numerous times a week down the stretch. You've

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Speaker 3: been committed. Your work ethic is unmatched, and it was

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Speaker 3: an awesome time being able to spend on Radio Row

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Speaker 3: in San Francisco with you. Pat this past week. My man,

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Speaker 3: I will let you side us off as we welcome

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Speaker 3: home the Seattle Seahawks super Bowl champs. Congratulations again, and.

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Speaker 2: I would say the same thing about you, Mitchell.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate all the hard work and sacrifice showing up

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Speaker 1: every single week for us, for the fans, even when

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Speaker 1: sometimes you're Troy Lions did not they let you down

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Speaker 1: a little bit. But you know what, Mitchell, your weather

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Speaker 1: to storm, you showed up and we surely do appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate every one of you fans for joining us

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Speaker 1: every single week, for tuning in, for hitting that sub button,

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Speaker 1: for hearing what I have to say and what Mitchell

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Speaker 1: has to say about the National Football League and what's transpired.

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Speaker 1: You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here

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Speaker 1: with us, and nobody appreciates you more than we do.

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Speaker 1: Twelves Seattle Seahawks fans. Enjoy this moment. Enjoy it every

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Speaker 1: second of it, because this is what it's about. The

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Speaker 1: trophy's coming back to Seattle and the parade is on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll see you there. Enjoy it, get bragging rights,

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Speaker 1: all the nonsense. Write the stuff on Twitter you've been

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Speaker 1: waiting to write, Find those receipts, put them up. It's

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Speaker 1: time to celebrate because your Seattle Seahawks are world champions.

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Speaker 2: Once again. Appreciate you hit that sub button.