Speaker 1: Hello, social sleuths, Internet detectives, crime heads, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Real Time Crime. I'm one of your hosts, Leo Lamar,
Speaker 1: and I have with me my wonderful co host. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try not to pause this Timelly cow and We've
Speaker 1: got Sometimes Dmitri with us. Today we're gonna be discussing
Speaker 1: the new crime wave of in l A. We'll be
Speaker 1: revisiting Jesse Smallot, Elizabeth Holmes and getting down to business
Speaker 1: discussing the case no one seems to want to touch
Speaker 1: Glaine Maxwell with our first ever social sleuth slash celebrity detective,
Speaker 1: Justin Anderson. So excited to have him on because he
Speaker 1: is amped up on his Instagram right now. So it's
Speaker 1: the perfect guest. I'm super stoked because it appears that
Speaker 1: so media is the only place that people are talking
Speaker 1: about Galaine Maxwell because I have not seen it in
Speaker 1: the news. Have has anyone else? I haven't seen it
Speaker 1: in the news. Is why we can, Colonel Yeah, which
Speaker 1: is why we can cover the hot topics first. Today
Speaker 1: we're changing it up because we gotta wait for Justin
Speaker 1: to cover that because he's going to give us every
Speaker 1: little detailed plus you know, and more and more. Um,
Speaker 1: do you want to go like run through the hot
Speaker 1: topics and then you know for me? And sometimes Dmitri
Speaker 1: will comment, I just wanted to first check in with everyone.
Speaker 1: I'm in Florida, the great state of Florida. I did
Speaker 1: make a Brian laundry joke in Boca at a comedy festival.
Speaker 1: Didn't go over well. The good people of Florida stand
Speaker 1: by their own. Um, what was the joke? It doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be repeated. Well, if you can't repeat it here,
Speaker 1: maybe means it shouldn't have Well, well, it was. It
Speaker 1: was in the middle of a crowd work interaction. Essentially,
Speaker 1: a man who has a wife asked me out during
Speaker 1: my set. It was a whole thing. I feel like
Speaker 1: we're uncovering a crime right here and now, like now
Speaker 1: I need to know everything about that. I will be
Speaker 1: happy to bump a hot topic for this one. This
Speaker 1: is hotter than anything here. Wait, I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 1: A guy that I like that I met this week
Speaker 1: in Miami's calling me right now. I'm not going to answer.
Speaker 1: Should answer life? All? I answer understood. We'll do that
Speaker 1: thing where we kind of like vet him for you.
Speaker 1: Should I do it right now, you guys, yes or no,
Speaker 1: You gotta make your choice. You're gonna have to brush
Speaker 1: them off the phone though, so then it'll be awkward.
Speaker 1: So just wait. Well, well, you don't want to seem
Speaker 1: like a big deal like, oh, I'm doing my podcast,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my podcast, blah blah blah. It might
Speaker 1: be too much, especially when we have x U c
Speaker 1: l A star Kade McNown wife busted for grand theft.
Speaker 1: To go over, Well, Teddy is really good it at
Speaker 1: the segways and you're right. She allegedly lifted some handbags
Speaker 1: and jewelry from her boss. So former U c l
Speaker 1: A and NFL quarterback Kate mcnown's wife, she's in super
Speaker 1: hot water after cops say she hatched and carried out
Speaker 1: a plan to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars and
Speaker 1: designer goods from philanthropists Sydney Holland. So Christina McNown is
Speaker 1: in a bad way at the moment. She lifted Holland's purses, clothing, jewelry.
Speaker 1: After a lengthy investigation, this has all been revealed, and
Speaker 1: sources connected to the investigation tell us that McNown has
Speaker 1: been a trusted assistant and stylist for Holland for the
Speaker 1: last twelve years and had easy access to her personal belongings.
Speaker 1: And she even saw some of the stolen items pop
Speaker 1: up on sale online. But does she know she's in
Speaker 1: a bad way, because my understanding is that she's going
Speaker 1: about businesses. These are just posting happy things on on
Speaker 1: her social media and whatnot. Well, she's got four accounts
Speaker 1: of felony grand theft and is set to be rained
Speaker 1: in February, so I'm pretty sure she knows things aren't
Speaker 1: all hunky dory. I've never said hunky dory before. And
Speaker 1: is it because did you watch The Real Housewives or something?
Speaker 1: That is you gna say hunky Dorry? No, that is
Speaker 1: Kathy Hilton said hunky Dorry. And and you know somebody
Speaker 1: said hunky dorry and Kathy Hilton didn't know what it meant.
Speaker 1: And now it's become this meme all these things. But guys,
Speaker 1: I know Sidney Holland, you do, Yes, I was just
Speaker 1: looking at our rundown and that's why my mouth was
Speaker 1: a gap because I know her. Is I mean, isn't
Speaker 1: that is it a copy? I'm just saying you got
Speaker 1: on her for hunky dor and you're like, my mouth
Speaker 1: was a gate well using fun words today to metri
Speaker 1: okay and try taking the s a t all right.
Speaker 1: I mean we can't help that. I elevated myself to
Speaker 1: the eleventh grade and then barely made it through twelve.
Speaker 1: But I mean, how do you think you're going to
Speaker 1: get away with this? No? I just I also heard
Speaker 1: that she noticed little things missing here and there throughout
Speaker 1: the years. That's how you think you're gonna get away
Speaker 1: with it a little by little, but didn't but didn't
Speaker 1: really think to connect the dots until bom bom boom
Speaker 1: one day. Now, can I remind you this is not
Speaker 1: as big but Cade McNown is the one that had
Speaker 1: a little scandal of his own when he was at
Speaker 1: U C. L A. And they were the football team
Speaker 1: was parking in handicapped spots because they thought there were
Speaker 1: above everything else. Um, not that it's the same thing,
Speaker 1: but I feel like maybe in that family, there's a
Speaker 1: little we'll just do what we want. Maybe they have
Speaker 1: a little bit of entitlement issues allegedly were their grades handicapped?
Speaker 1: That that goes straight to the lawyers. Um, Because yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be worried about here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: You're lucky to be at home with your fam right
Speaker 1: now in Florida. In Florida, well maybe you're not that lucky.
Speaker 1: But I heard there's an alligator in the swamp and
Speaker 1: I wanted to interview it to see if it's the
Speaker 1: one that got Brian. I don't think it's him. I
Speaker 1: didn't see his teeth in there. But there's been a
Speaker 1: violent l a crime wave going on. M hm. So
Speaker 1: we've heard through the media and seen in socials how
Speaker 1: the crime wave is taking over Los Angeles. People are
Speaker 1: getting held at gunpoint on Melrose in the middle of
Speaker 1: the day while they're outside shopping or having dinner. Most recently,
Speaker 1: a career criminal was arrested in a fatal shooting of
Speaker 1: philanthropist Jacqueline Avant at the Lavish brev Bebara heard home,
Speaker 1: what's happening to me? Lavish? Lavish, lawish? And I also
Speaker 1: hit my head. So it's are we going to get
Speaker 1: through this? Not with that attitude, okay? Lavish Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: home she shared with her husband, Clarence, who's a ninety
Speaker 1: year old music producer inducted into the Rock and Roll
Speaker 1: Hall of Rock and roll is there's something am I not? Okay,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to work on this. I might have
Speaker 1: to check over the reading. This is a very serious
Speaker 1: crime and I'm not doing it justice. And it's so
Speaker 1: upsetting because Jacqueline was so beloved and everyone is blaming
Speaker 1: the new laws that were put in place by District
Speaker 1: Attorney Gusson. Left wing lawmakers and activists pushed a litanyum
Speaker 1: progressive reforms that helped violent criminals spend less time behind bars,
Speaker 1: and some say that justice is not only fleeting, but
Speaker 1: it's twisted. The l a p D Is quoted saying
Speaker 1: it's a ship show over here. So you know, if
Speaker 1: the l a p d Is saying it, it's probably true.
Speaker 1: He says, bad guys are released quicker than we finished
Speaker 1: the paperwork. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 1: That's just the tip. I mean, there's a tyson on
Speaker 1: the way. I was scared you were going different guys.
Speaker 1: Come on, I was like, this is a family show. Wait,
Speaker 1: it's not. We're talking. We're thinking that could have happened. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I think everybody gets like there's an
Speaker 1: overall feeling in the country. I think starting from Kyle
Speaker 1: Right now, it's not where people think no one's really
Speaker 1: being held accountable for anything. So I feel like crime
Speaker 1: is going up because if no one is being held accountable,
Speaker 1: then why not just do it broad daylight? On Melrose.
Speaker 1: People following people up to their doors, like when they're
Speaker 1: out walking with their kids and stuff. It's insane. What
Speaker 1: about how they're going into homes. I just read about
Speaker 1: the arm robbers who came into somebody's house where they
Speaker 1: were having a party and stole all their watches, their handbags, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, what is happening? I also sell the video
Speaker 1: did you guys see it of the woman going into
Speaker 1: her house and with her baby and a stroller and
Speaker 1: the guys coming in after her and taking her bag,
Speaker 1: and like she's like having to grab her baby and
Speaker 1: like protect it. Just it needs to stop. So the
Speaker 1: gates open to her house, she walks in with her baby.
Speaker 1: Then these two guys walk in because the gates are
Speaker 1: still closing, you know, gates take a second to close.
Speaker 1: They come in. They literally just take her backpack off
Speaker 1: of her. She complies, and then it almost looks Teddy
Speaker 1: stop me if I'm wrong, but it almost looks like
Speaker 1: they're going for the baby, and she si. I was
Speaker 1: hoping it was that they were taking like her watch
Speaker 1: off or something. It did look like that, but I
Speaker 1: was hoping that's what that was, because then he took
Speaker 1: something and then turned. But also the comments of the
Speaker 1: video or like to badge and have a gun. This
Speaker 1: could have been over. It's like, oh my god, why
Speaker 1: is everyone going there? How about people need to stop
Speaker 1: committing crimes in Los Angeles and getting away with them
Speaker 1: or committing crimes period. And where it's all stemming from
Speaker 1: is from l A District Attorney George Gasson, who people
Speaker 1: are heavily trying to recall right now. They tried to
Speaker 1: recall him previously a few months ago, it did not work,
Speaker 1: and now they're trying again following the fatal shooting of
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Avant, and support is of the effort announced on
Speaker 1: the steps of the Hall of Justice on Monday that
Speaker 1: they're going to serve him with a notice of intent
Speaker 1: to move him from the office, and organizers have a
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty days to collect more than thousand signatures
Speaker 1: of registered voters to do so to begin the process
Speaker 1: and have another vote for a recall. So The issue
Speaker 1: is that he created reform on bail, one of many issues,
Speaker 1: and so people are blaming this because he wanted to
Speaker 1: bring um equality into bail, because they were saying that
Speaker 1: some people weren't able to afford bail and rich people
Speaker 1: were just getting off because they could afford the bail.
Speaker 1: So by eliminating bail, essentially it would bring equality to
Speaker 1: the jail in prison and crime system. But instead, what
Speaker 1: it's doing is encouraging criminals to continue to commit crime
Speaker 1: because there are no punishments. They essentially are let go
Speaker 1: because there's nothing to hold them in jail, and then
Speaker 1: they commit crimes again. And I started reaching out to
Speaker 1: a bunch of my friends, you know, whether they are
Speaker 1: left or right, or red or blue, or however you
Speaker 1: want to say it, everybody kind of agrees this guy
Speaker 1: should be gone. How was he voted in the first place?
Speaker 1: Like we spent so much time recalling people that never
Speaker 1: should be in office to begin with, I I mean,
Speaker 1: my guess is I mean, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can say this, but I think with everything that was
Speaker 1: happening with Trump, everybody was just so wanting somebody that
Speaker 1: had progressive thinking and whatnot that they just hoped that
Speaker 1: this guy would be able to create change, but he's
Speaker 1: created the wrong kind of change. And now robberies are
Speaker 1: up three point two percent this year from last year
Speaker 1: it was too far the other direction, and homicides are
Speaker 1: up almost that's it. It's outrageous, and I mean it's
Speaker 1: getting to the place now where and in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: you're worried to go even into Beverly Hill to eat
Speaker 1: or shop or do whatever it may be, because people
Speaker 1: are just taking matters into their own hands. They want it,
Speaker 1: they just take it. And we've got to get back
Speaker 1: to a place where if you create, if you if
Speaker 1: you commit a crime, you get in trouble for it,
Speaker 1: you do the time. Well, so apparently what they're doing,
Speaker 1: these criminals, a lot of them are career criminals, but
Speaker 1: they are following wealthy people and watching them shop and
Speaker 1: then following back to their homes. Yeah, so they're doing
Speaker 1: they're s talking people essentially, and because nobody's working right now,
Speaker 1: they have all this time to do this. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's just frightening. I mean, it's insane. So what you
Speaker 1: just said, So, like the other day, someone asked my
Speaker 1: daughter to go hang out somewhere like an outdoor area,
Speaker 1: like outdoor mall, and I was like, it's I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sad to say, but I don't feel comfortable with that.
Speaker 1: There's so much ship that can go wrong and does
Speaker 1: go wrong nowadays that I really, you know, I narrow
Speaker 1: the things that I'm like, is that worth it? Like
Speaker 1: to think that going to like an outdoor shopping area
Speaker 1: is now a gamble? Going to the school is now
Speaker 1: a gamble. I mean, even think about what the Michigan
Speaker 1: school shooting. She does it again, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: but effortlessly. We'll talk about it in a second. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to say one more thing. I remember in
Speaker 1: the very beginning of the pandemic, when everyone is afraid
Speaker 1: to leave their houses because we didn't understand the pandemic
Speaker 1: quite yet, and everyone thought if he stepped outside, you'd
Speaker 1: probably die. Crime was down because no one was leaving
Speaker 1: their houses. But then once people started to understand how
Speaker 1: the virus worked, or they had already gotten COVID and
Speaker 1: gotten over it, people started committing crimes again. And the
Speaker 1: air bag was stolen off my steering wheel. That's how
Speaker 1: desperate people started to get. And then on top of
Speaker 1: the new reforms. It need it impossible for them to
Speaker 1: go back to not committing crimes. So a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't have jobs. They just continually commit crimes. What
Speaker 1: do you do with a loose air bag? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: can you believe this? Apparently it's super valuable. So he
Speaker 1: stole the horn and my airbag. It's so expensive. It
Speaker 1: almost totally look for the guy walking around beeping. You
Speaker 1: know what, totaled my car. That's hilarious. Demitri Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was such a bummer, except for the fact that
Speaker 1: I did get a convertible for a month and that
Speaker 1: was not a bummer. So thank you who to whoever
Speaker 1: stole I don't invite crime. Please ustume my air bag now,
Speaker 1: thank you. It's it's happened once and that shan't happened again.
Speaker 1: It can't, it will not. The Michigan High school shooting.
Speaker 1: A gunman opened fired Oxford High School in Michigan on
Speaker 1: Tuesday I room, shooting eleven people. Four students were killed
Speaker 1: and several others were critically and seriously entered. Ethan Crumbly,
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old student, was later arrested in connection
Speaker 1: with the shooting. The authority said he was charged on
Speaker 1: Wednesday with one count of terrorism causing death and four
Speaker 1: counts of first degree murder, which could lead to a
Speaker 1: life stiff sentence if he's convicted. And then you know,
Speaker 1: there's so so many victims involved, so much trauma involved.
Speaker 1: But the part that gets me even to the next
Speaker 1: level is what his mom said to him in response, Leah,
Speaker 1: can you yeah, I already know where you're going with this,
Speaker 1: And she was saying, Law, I'm not mad at you.
Speaker 1: You have to learn to not get caught like I
Speaker 1: can't understand. I mean as a parent, I just I
Speaker 1: can't grasp this. I one, I didn't know that it
Speaker 1: was LAWL. I thought it was l O L. But
Speaker 1: it also, um, it's not the same thing. No, she said, Law,
Speaker 1: And I was like, shoot, is that what has spent
Speaker 1: this whole time? I've been spelling it out. I am old,
Speaker 1: I am a parent. But the fact that this terrible
Speaker 1: thing happened and he did like created all of this,
Speaker 1: like murder and that's the response from your parents. Of
Speaker 1: course this is going to happen, Teddy. It's a parent,
Speaker 1: You're a parent. I just wanted to let that sink
Speaker 1: in for a second, but also to play on words.
Speaker 1: Thank you everyone. I was disturbed that his parents bought
Speaker 1: the semiotic semi automatic handgun as a Christmas gift. So
Speaker 1: it's actually not surprised that she said that. Well, and
Speaker 1: she also when she heard about the the live shooter
Speaker 1: or whatever active shooter, she texted him and said, don't
Speaker 1: do it or whatever the exact words were. But that's
Speaker 1: not Also like that means it was already on her
Speaker 1: radar that he that that he might do that. Well,
Speaker 1: then he does it, and that's how she reacts. But
Speaker 1: also if he if she's responding that to what he
Speaker 1: just did, what has she done? I mean, I know
Speaker 1: you can't speculate that, but like, if this is the
Speaker 1: way that you're raising your kids, if this is the
Speaker 1: things that you're saying, I'm worried to know you know
Speaker 1: what kind of place you're even growing up. Well, the
Speaker 1: other thing is that you know connecting this to Brian Laundre,
Speaker 1: a bit who also drew disturbing images and was obsessed
Speaker 1: with blood and and and in dark images. Right, this
Speaker 1: boy was apparently um drawing scrawled images of a gun. Um.
Speaker 1: He there was a person who had been shot at
Speaker 1: and he put a laughing emoji and the words blood
Speaker 1: everywhere and the thoughts won't stop. Help me. So I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear to say, and I don't mean
Speaker 1: this in a funny way, but this is connected to
Speaker 1: mental illness. Yeah, I mean, but it it makes you
Speaker 1: really think about in the schools when you start to
Speaker 1: see these red flags, what actions are being taken in
Speaker 1: that moment. What are they doing to help these kids
Speaker 1: that are obviously being raised in a setting where you're
Speaker 1: getting guns as presents. And apparently, on the morning of
Speaker 1: November the shooting, the suspect's parents were called into the
Speaker 1: high school after one of his teachers found the alarming
Speaker 1: notes and drawings. So there was preemptive behavior that was
Speaker 1: obviously showing that he was deranged, and he was he
Speaker 1: he was with them in that meeting and they said
Speaker 1: this has to be taken care of, and then he
Speaker 1: got sent back to class, and I mean he planned
Speaker 1: it well before the incident. I mean, I still think
Speaker 1: the parents need to be charged. I think they will be.
Speaker 1: I think they will be. I think they are possibly
Speaker 1: going to be charged for involuntary manslaughter. Wow, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they weren't. The charges were brought up and then
Speaker 1: they disappeared for a while, not the charges, the parents,
Speaker 1: and then the lawyer was like, oh, they're going to
Speaker 1: turn themselves in, but then they found them hiding in
Speaker 1: a warehouse, so clearly they weren't. But then they said
Speaker 1: they caught him and brought him in and they're all
Speaker 1: being held separately with no communication that the husband, the wife,
Speaker 1: and the son are all being held in different areas.
Speaker 1: So it's so sad. It's sad that we are at
Speaker 1: that place where you have to worry to send your
Speaker 1: kids that are older to outdoor place or to school
Speaker 1: or because guns are readily available to people who are
Speaker 1: already suffering. Yeah, and also, you know a lot of
Speaker 1: times people say guns don't kill people. People kill people,
Speaker 1: but but that's no. That's the thing is though. It
Speaker 1: seems though that he was already on a path to
Speaker 1: hurting other people and hurting himself potentially to himself potentially sure,
Speaker 1: And it just seems like this person should not be
Speaker 1: around any type of weapon, whether it's a knife or
Speaker 1: whatever is available. It seems like this person was genuinely
Speaker 1: out for blood and it's so disturbing. I mean, children
Speaker 1: shouldn't have guns, Adults maybe we can't even get into this.
Speaker 1: We can't, we can't get into this right day. Maybe
Speaker 1: we should get into CNN. That seems like a person
Speaker 1: easy to pick a fight with. I think I think
Speaker 1: it's time for us to go straight into CNN. CNN
Speaker 1: fires Chris Cuomo. What are y'all thoughts on this? You know,
Speaker 1: I missed the beginning of the pandemic where everyone was
Speaker 1: calling Cuomo Zaddy, I loved him. I do I miss it.
Speaker 1: I think Chris Cuomo is super hot, would bang and look,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have any allegations against him for sexual assault?
Speaker 1: He does now there's an allegation. Yeah, so no, I
Speaker 1: just thought he was terminated for helping his brother will
Speaker 1: possibly cover up this. That was important. But I guess
Speaker 1: there was something sixteen years ago allegedly that he I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what the charges are, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to say something incorrect. It's going to have to
Speaker 1: be cut out of this episode, but there's some rumblings
Speaker 1: of that going on. However, I did read that he
Speaker 1: had apologized to the person the person had forgiven him,
Speaker 1: that this was all cleared up sixteen years ago. M hmm,
Speaker 1: So do we think this person is coming forward now
Speaker 1: because he's in the spotlight around it. I don't it's
Speaker 1: this is very I think this is what CNN must
Speaker 1: have gotten wind of, and that's why we don't know
Speaker 1: much information as slews and we can't really get the
Speaker 1: full info. But you know, I just I think it's
Speaker 1: also hard. I mean, and I know he got a
Speaker 1: lot of heat for helping his brother get a lawyer. Um,
Speaker 1: And then it draws the question, you know, like when
Speaker 1: is helping your family member too much? In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think obviously the loundry is doing what they allegedly
Speaker 1: did with Brian, that to me, that's crossing the boundary.
Speaker 1: But a brother helping somebody secure a lawyer, to me, isn't.
Speaker 1: It's not like he was helping him escape. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's you're damned if you do.
Speaker 1: You're damned if you don't. Now it's like whatever you
Speaker 1: say you're going to be, you know, really getting a
Speaker 1: lot of heat for. But it's this one's a hard
Speaker 1: one for me to swallow. All he wants for Christmas
Speaker 1: is the charges dropped. Speaking of dropping charges, we are sorry, Teddy,
Speaker 1: just so much better when you do it, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I can't be the Segway girl.
Speaker 1: That's really that was nice. That was nice. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin is trying to evade any sort of charges
Speaker 1: or responsibility for what happened on his set of the
Speaker 1: movie Rust, where he allegedly did not shoot the gun
Speaker 1: that killed the DP, and so Alec is saying he
Speaker 1: did not shoot the gun that killed his DP and
Speaker 1: wounded the director. He's saying that he would never point
Speaker 1: a gun at someone or intentionally try to shoot someone.
Speaker 1: It would never actually fire the weapon. And he's also
Speaker 1: saying it was never brought to his attention that there
Speaker 1: was unrest from the crew and that anyone else thought
Speaker 1: it was unsafe and that they had been cutting corners.
Speaker 1: But earlier that day, I think over six people left
Speaker 1: the set because they thought it was unsafe. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the thing I can see from a high profile actor,
Speaker 1: you know, producer, maybe they were hiding what was really
Speaker 1: going on on set from him as to not upset him,
Speaker 1: which happens in business sometimes you you protect it from
Speaker 1: the boss so that the boss doesn't get upset that
Speaker 1: things aren't running well. So I mean, you can suspend
Speaker 1: your belief that that could be the case. They also
Speaker 1: as a specialist that watched him do his interview and
Speaker 1: believes him to be telling the truth by his hand
Speaker 1: movements and those types of things. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: this is a terrible tragedy. I want to believe that
Speaker 1: Alec had absolutely no idea. I can't what there would
Speaker 1: be no reason for him to do such a thing.
Speaker 1: He never alluded to wanting to do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I it's his movie. It's supposed to be something that
Speaker 1: he's going to promote, and that to turn into this
Speaker 1: can't be something that anybody would ever want. Well, he's
Speaker 1: calling to find out who put a bullet in the gun,
Speaker 1: because again this is about gun violence, although this is
Speaker 1: obviously accidental not intentional, And you know they're saying there
Speaker 1: are two ways to fire a gun. You either pull
Speaker 1: the trigger or pulled the hammer back and drop it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know. It's so it's so so
Speaker 1: so upsetting, and obviously, obviously I think everyone can agree
Speaker 1: Alec did not intentionally mean to harm anyone. I think
Speaker 1: that's something we can all agree on. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: a Yeah, it's a horrible situation, and I think we
Speaker 1: only have time for one more recap before we bring
Speaker 1: on our our guest. All right, So Jesse is testifying
Speaker 1: he and the accuser shared drug fueled nights at a
Speaker 1: gay bath house. And look, I think the moral of
Speaker 1: the story is that this is obviously a setup, and
Speaker 1: they have the two brothers that were hired by Jesse
Speaker 1: to fake the crime, and they both thought that this
Speaker 1: would amplify their careers. And obviously neither of them were
Speaker 1: Trump supporters. They were carrying out fake hate crimes pretending
Speaker 1: to be Trump supporters, saying, you know, horrible racial and
Speaker 1: homophobic slers. So these two brothers took testimony on Wednesday
Speaker 1: and Thursday in the criminal trial on charges that he
Speaker 1: staged the attack and falsely reported to the police, and
Speaker 1: one of the brothers was saying that Jesse had a
Speaker 1: crazy idea of having two MAGA supporters attack him because
Speaker 1: he wanted to put it on his social media. The
Speaker 1: part that I just still resonates with me is when
Speaker 1: the cops arrived and he still had the news around
Speaker 1: his neck. Well, apparently he also wanted them to pour
Speaker 1: gasoline on him, but he was they were so uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with doing that, and they ended up changing it to
Speaker 1: bleach because the brothers were uncomfortable using gasolene. I think too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a no for me. And so you know, I
Speaker 1: think that they are trying to the defenses is requesting
Speaker 1: a mistrial, of course, and there have been exchanges between
Speaker 1: the judge and the defense that have escalated and become
Speaker 1: stupe emotional, and you know, at one point sobbing and
Speaker 1: pacing around his table. This like the defense is upset
Speaker 1: with the judge. And I think that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of emotion coming into play. So I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: when they come back on Monday to hear closing arguments
Speaker 1: and begin deliberating what will actually happen. Me too, which
Speaker 1: I guess we can get into next week because we've
Speaker 1: got to take a little break because we've got Justin
Speaker 1: in the waiting room. I'm so excited for Justin. Me too,
Speaker 1: Me too, all right, So you guys in sick all right.
Speaker 1: So I have been obsessed with the Jeffrey Epstein case,
Speaker 1: all of this from the beginning, and I we just
Speaker 1: let's start, which is Justin. What got you so interested
Speaker 1: in this case? In this trial? I think, just like
Speaker 1: all of us we've kind of been watching it for
Speaker 1: a while, and then there was this period where it
Speaker 1: went quiet and then all of a sudden it's coming back.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, get lost, um, not excitement, because
Speaker 1: excitement is the wrong word to use about this, Like
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be excited about this, but it lost like steam,
Speaker 1: like people weren't talking about it as much. And now
Speaker 1: it's like the actual time when um, she's going in
Speaker 1: and justice could be served and like people are going
Speaker 1: to be named and what whatnot, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I honestly I felt like it's just gone quiet in
Speaker 1: the mainstream media, you know. So I was just very
Speaker 1: casually and Teddy. We follow each other on Instagram and
Speaker 1: I love to talk to people, like I really enjoy
Speaker 1: social media because I like to connect and engage. And
Speaker 1: I've always had a rule for myself, like I'll never
Speaker 1: talk about things that are divisive or super political. I'll
Speaker 1: never throw my beliefs at people because I don't really
Speaker 1: know who all is following me, so I don't want
Speaker 1: to offend people whatever. So when I um this Gillian
Speaker 1: trial came back up, I was like, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about this because no one's talking about what's going on,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't even thinking about it being a divisive issue,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it turned into this left
Speaker 1: right fight, and I was like, what the heck is
Speaker 1: going on here? And I didn't realize that at some
Speaker 1: point people lumped trild child such sex trafficking in with
Speaker 1: the extreme right and they started saying it's a conspiracy
Speaker 1: thing to talk about sex traffick and I was like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, this is a problem then, you know.
Speaker 1: And then that's when I really start paying attention to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, even when I started posting just little things
Speaker 1: about it today, just saying like I'm bringing justin on
Speaker 1: we're talking about this, people started messaging me and saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: this is all over mainstream news. What are you talking
Speaker 1: about your And it's something that shows shocking to me,
Speaker 1: because like, really, I've seen us talk about it. I
Speaker 1: saw House and have It talk about it. I see
Speaker 1: Perez Hilton talk about it. But it's it's as you
Speaker 1: posted on your stories today. It's not on the Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal, it's not on where New York Times, Washington Post,
Speaker 1: the New York Times. And here's the thing. When people say,
Speaker 1: what are you saying it's all over. You can Google
Speaker 1: anything and find anything. You can also go into the
Speaker 1: dark weab and find really crazy stuff. So you can
Speaker 1: find anything when you Google, if you go to CNN,
Speaker 1: if you go to the Washington Post, if you go
Speaker 1: to the New York Times, and you just start to
Speaker 1: scroll the page, it's not in the top headlines. Now,
Speaker 1: that's not some weird conspiracy there. You literally go do it,
Speaker 1: just stroll through. It's not in the top So it's
Speaker 1: definitely being hidden a little bit. So my thing is like,
Speaker 1: why are people so quick to like fight back and
Speaker 1: be like, no, it's absolutely there, it's not you know,
Speaker 1: I watched the View every single day. The show on
Speaker 1: Keep You never gets some other you can't watch that garbage.
Speaker 1: It's just women with one view fighting with each other
Speaker 1: all the time or whatever. And I'm like, no, I
Speaker 1: like to watch CNN, I like to watch Fox, I
Speaker 1: like to watch the News. I want to see all
Speaker 1: perspectives because I really want to take it all in.
Speaker 1: And um, they don't mention it ever on the View.
Speaker 1: They never talked about something like what is going on?
Speaker 1: And I don't know how deep you guys want to go,
Speaker 1: but I do think there's something to this case is
Speaker 1: being protected. It just is it's being kept really quiet.
Speaker 1: If they wanted us to know about this, and they
Speaker 1: thought that they could get us all to fight about this,
Speaker 1: it would be everywhere. Think about every massive trial that's
Speaker 1: been out in the past few years. It's blasted in
Speaker 1: our face trial, it's everywhere. Because this is a federal case,
Speaker 1: we can't have any live streaming footage of it. That's
Speaker 1: exact they're saying. But any other case that's ever been
Speaker 1: like this before where you couldn't have cameras inside, it
Speaker 1: would be even more packed outside the courthouse. So outside
Speaker 1: the courthouse, you shouldn't be able to get close to
Speaker 1: the court to the courthouse. So there's this woman on
Speaker 1: Instagram house in habit and she actually flew herself to
Speaker 1: New York because she wanted to be there, and she's
Speaker 1: been showing videos every morning where there is no one
Speaker 1: in front. And what that tells me is every major
Speaker 1: news source isn't sending their journalists, are sending their reporters
Speaker 1: there um to cover this, And what the problem with
Speaker 1: that is, Because then people on Instagram will say to me,
Speaker 1: justin what's the problem, Why do you want it to
Speaker 1: be mayhem outside of the court, and I'm like, not
Speaker 1: even mayhem, just people actually being there reporting in real time.
Speaker 1: But what it says to everyone when they see it
Speaker 1: empty in front of the courthouse is that it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't really care about this case or it's being
Speaker 1: taken care of. It's not. This woman house in Habit
Speaker 1: is saying. What she's hearing in the courts right now
Speaker 1: is that they're literally discounting these women, the victims voices.
Speaker 1: They're trying to put them down because what they want
Speaker 1: to do is they want to silent this really quick.
Speaker 1: They don't want the names to come out, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean it gets deep to like that's why they
Speaker 1: don't want the reporters there, because they don't want anyone
Speaker 1: writing in real time what's happening, because then they're going
Speaker 1: to have to start sharing the truth. And that's why
Speaker 1: that's why people are avoiding it is because it's actually
Speaker 1: both sides of everything, so you can't This isn't one
Speaker 1: of those things they can just angle and say this
Speaker 1: is what these people did. Once you start talking about it,
Speaker 1: whoever you're also on the side with that name is
Speaker 1: coming up too. So everyone's just like forget about But
Speaker 1: to me, regardless of what your side is, there were
Speaker 1: so there was a ring, there was a pyramid of
Speaker 1: abused girls. Right, So it doesn't matter which side you're on.
Speaker 1: This is the thing that drives me crazy too, just
Speaker 1: as like an empathetic like I like to like get
Speaker 1: along with everyone, like fun, like to whatever. This is
Speaker 1: a yeah in the in the past like two years
Speaker 1: that we've all had, right, we've just been dragged through it. Right,
Speaker 1: this would actually be of all the cases, none of
Speaker 1: us want to celebrate anything like this, but this would
Speaker 1: be the one case where we could all come together
Speaker 1: and be like, we want to watch this trial and
Speaker 1: we want justice. We want names to come up, we
Speaker 1: want people to go to jail, we want to see
Speaker 1: justice for these girls, the victims. So why is the
Speaker 1: one case that could bring us together just being completely silenced?
Speaker 1: And that goes back to like the media just works
Speaker 1: really well when we're all fighting with each other. They
Speaker 1: want to us all screening at each other all the
Speaker 1: time to be to buy it. This isn't a left
Speaker 1: or right issue. I was gonna say, So, why do
Speaker 1: you think that the networks are so afraid to send
Speaker 1: reporters because I honestly believe and I don't know. I mean, frak,
Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'm not like Sutton on the House.
Speaker 1: I was talking to my lawyer before I do things.
Speaker 1: But I don't you know anything I want to I
Speaker 1: want to say. I want to say really quick early
Speaker 1: in us talking like I'm not an expert in this.
Speaker 1: I freaking have done a hair color for my whole life,
Speaker 1: like I have my own hair colored brand. I'm not
Speaker 1: a journalist. I didn't even go to college. I'm talking
Speaker 1: like a real person, just conversation. I also don't care
Speaker 1: if somebody explains to me like, oh, you're actually wrong
Speaker 1: with this, and then I would keep talking about that,
Speaker 1: going a different direction. What ever. So I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to act like I'm an expert on this. But the
Speaker 1: funny thing to me was, so about a two years
Speaker 1: ago I moved to Nashville. My whole career in l
Speaker 1: A was doing celebrity hair mostly That's what I was
Speaker 1: known for, doing, really big celebrity names and then tons
Speaker 1: of my favorites, which are reality stars. Um. But so
Speaker 1: I've always been in this Hollywood real celebrity world. So
Speaker 1: about a year ago, my cousin Tim Ballard has a rescue,
Speaker 1: an organization called Our Rescue and it's all about sex trafficking.
Speaker 1: And about a year ago I gave him a shout
Speaker 1: out like, hey, you guys follow my cousin Kim and
Speaker 1: his organization, and all of a sudden, all these dm
Speaker 1: started coming and say thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: someone from Hollywood who's talking about sex trafficking. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't I talk about sex trafficking? And then I
Speaker 1: started talking to people and they're like, no, celebrities will
Speaker 1: talk about um sex trafficking, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like what the hell is going on? To cut to somewhere.
Speaker 1: Somebody made it a thing if you talk about sex trafficking,
Speaker 1: you're crazy conservatives exactly. So my thing is is like
Speaker 1: that is to check someone. Why is this conversation being
Speaker 1: so shut down because there's people that don't want it
Speaker 1: to get out. I mean, meanwhile, this trial started and
Speaker 1: even C suite execs have all stepped down from their
Speaker 1: positions from various networks jobs. So it lets you know
Speaker 1: that a lot of people in positions of power are terrified,
Speaker 1: which kind of lends itself to the next question is
Speaker 1: do you feel like Gaalaine is being blamed for Epstein's
Speaker 1: actions and how involved do you think she really was
Speaker 1: in all of this? Um, I, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a careful It's something that you have to be careful
Speaker 1: with because you don't want to say, like, yeah, she
Speaker 1: should get all of it. But she's the one who's
Speaker 1: alive right now, she's the one in trial. But now
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing, she was just as involved as he was.
Speaker 1: She was the one that was going out and finding
Speaker 1: these girls, she was grooming them, she was bringing it back.
Speaker 1: She was in the room when the sex abuse happened.
Speaker 1: So it's like, absolutely she should be treated as part
Speaker 1: of this. She she's the only one left there. But
Speaker 1: the real thing that she has, she has the names.
Speaker 1: She has the ability to name off who which that island,
Speaker 1: who actually messed around with kids. They're saying that that
Speaker 1: island was full of cameras everywhere. I really believe in
Speaker 1: this is just my opinion or what I think. I
Speaker 1: think they have videos and photos of tons of high
Speaker 1: powered people engaging in this that they wanted to use
Speaker 1: as blackmail, and that's what everyone is so afraid that
Speaker 1: it will get out. So it's like, let's hush Galaine,
Speaker 1: let's say that we're gonna give her the highest sentence possible.
Speaker 1: But really what they're gonna do is just hide her away,
Speaker 1: keep all of that a big secret. That's fucking scary. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's really scary. Especially I watched the documentary on
Speaker 1: her that was on Hulu, and it really breaks down
Speaker 1: how involved she allegedly is and how they The part
Speaker 1: that really sickens me is like they preyed on the week,
Speaker 1: they preyed on girls that were abused before, and then
Speaker 1: when those girls would be to their breaking point, way
Speaker 1: that they would keep the girls allegedly was that they
Speaker 1: would then still pay them to bring on more girls.
Speaker 1: So now they're adding all of this hate because now
Speaker 1: they've had brought in forty to fifty of their friends
Speaker 1: or people they know or they go to school with,
Speaker 1: and now they've done the same thing to them. Is
Speaker 1: that or there's little sister or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: So the chain of abuse is so long, and I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of these women are saying that not
Speaker 1: only was she in the room, but a lot of
Speaker 1: the time she was allegedly touching them as well, and
Speaker 1: becoming their friend and becoming someone that they looked up to.
Speaker 1: And I just think that regardless, And and then people
Speaker 1: will also say because of her father she was you know,
Speaker 1: this is why she is the way that she is
Speaker 1: to me, regardless, she seems like a very smart woman
Speaker 1: and very calculated. Like she didn't meet Epstein by accident,
Speaker 1: she didn't get linked into him by accident. She knew
Speaker 1: what she was doing. She no longer had money, and
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't have empathy for her in
Speaker 1: this case millions of dollars. Well, she's upset right now
Speaker 1: that Epstein's people aren't paying her lawyer. Yeah, she is.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that you talked about her dad, because
Speaker 1: her dad was also a very similar type of person
Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Epstein. They were feared um in intense terrifying
Speaker 1: people who were the heads of their organizations. And she
Speaker 1: always tried to please her father. She was the little
Speaker 1: list of nine siblings. And when her father died and
Speaker 1: his yacht was called Lady Gallaine, so you know, he
Speaker 1: loved her the most. It's so creepy, but I don't
Speaker 1: think you can really love if you're a narcissist. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: whatever that word is. Yeah, what he wanted he I
Speaker 1: don't know. He wanted him to be pleased the most
Speaker 1: by her. I don't know. It's so gross. When he died,
Speaker 1: allegedly she was seen shredding documents of his so as
Speaker 1: you do when someone close to you, guys, right, exactly. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, Teddy, I've got a lot of documents
Speaker 1: in a drawer just in case anything. How I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't have your back there, I will
Speaker 1: that case will be covered. If I'm sorry, I'm out.
Speaker 1: But the mold you whatever, Teddy, We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: have a talk after this. But I think you know,
Speaker 1: she's not new to crime, but and adjust to play
Speaker 1: devil's advocate. Do you guys think that she was conditioned
Speaker 1: to this because of the way that she was grown,
Speaker 1: the way she was raised. It was it was made
Speaker 1: normal to her. I think yeah, absolutely. The relationship with
Speaker 1: her father, that was the thing. You know, people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: why is that really? Then it's absolutely relevant, like where
Speaker 1: did she learn this kind of behavior that you just
Speaker 1: you serve to a man, you know, her father the
Speaker 1: whole time. Once her father passed away. She absolutely was
Speaker 1: looking for a certain sort of lifestyle. They say that
Speaker 1: what Epstein got from Geelame was that she had all
Speaker 1: these connections with with powerful people. He was actually like
Speaker 1: an anu, He liked to hide out, he didn't want
Speaker 1: to be super super social. She would go out and
Speaker 1: do all of that networking for them. So they like
Speaker 1: they found this thing. They were part they were partners
Speaker 1: and this whole huge crime um and so yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why she is getting what she's getting, and we all
Speaker 1: should see it and we should hear anything. The thing
Speaker 1: that's crazy too, is like if there is this cyber
Speaker 1: people like, oh, this is a conspiracy and you're going
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. If you really believe that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, But then why wouldn't you want it
Speaker 1: to be uncovered even more than let's get to the
Speaker 1: bottom of it, and let's prove that people are are
Speaker 1: being crazy when they're asking for more questions. Why is
Speaker 1: it keep being more hidden and that's just gonna keep
Speaker 1: us all being like crazy and all this controversy going
Speaker 1: on and fighting. Then answer the question, put it all
Speaker 1: out there for all of us to see. Explain to
Speaker 1: us how people aren't involved. I mean, because for me,
Speaker 1: it's about facts. That's why I it's not political at all.
Speaker 1: I'm not even well versed politically, but i want to
Speaker 1: know the facts. And when I see that the chain
Speaker 1: of abuse is now getting escalated to the courtroom because
Speaker 1: these girls the same way that Epstein and Glene allegedly
Speaker 1: seek them out to abuse them, is what the lawyers
Speaker 1: are now doing to them by bringing up the past trauma,
Speaker 1: by bringing up that they may have had an abortion,
Speaker 1: by bringing up, you know, history of drug use. If
Speaker 1: you're being abused, most likely you are going to medicate
Speaker 1: exactly these women were abused. Of course, some of them
Speaker 1: are going to turn to drugs later. They're not going
Speaker 1: to have like a healthy, normal lifestyle after they've been
Speaker 1: abused as a teenager. So pointing that stuff out doesn't
Speaker 1: tell me anything. Of course, these girls are damaged. No
Speaker 1: one has taken care of him, no one's listened to him.
Speaker 1: And now you're in a court and you're gonna tear
Speaker 1: him down. Say, oh, you were a cocaine user, you
Speaker 1: che ne did on your first husband. Yeah, it's not shocking.
Speaker 1: That doesn't tell us anything. Or you want you said
Speaker 1: nice things to Epstein, like you thanked him for Like, yes,
Speaker 1: you're They were being manipulated, they were being sent to colleges,
Speaker 1: they were being sent to like paid for. So people
Speaker 1: get confused, They get confused between love and money. But
Speaker 1: then there's the other side of abuse, Like most of
Speaker 1: these women said they had to compartmentalize them in two
Speaker 1: different spaces because they were taken on trips they never
Speaker 1: would have done. They were doing things they like there
Speaker 1: were times where they felt like a family. That's actually
Speaker 1: what grooming is exactly exactly. And the crazy thing about
Speaker 1: this conversation right here, like what we're having right now,
Speaker 1: it's sad that we even have to have this kind
Speaker 1: of conversation because they're not it's not out there. It's
Speaker 1: not in the media where all these questions can be
Speaker 1: answered because it's so hidden. So it's like all these
Speaker 1: conspiracies are going to keep going on. Like unfortunately with
Speaker 1: social media, this stuff doesn't just go away. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be talked about and people are gonna get angry because
Speaker 1: they want to hear more. So I don't understand how
Speaker 1: they think they can hide this. I think they're fit
Speaker 1: figuring out. It's like, holy sh it, like this could
Speaker 1: get really loud, like it's on the brink, like people
Speaker 1: are starting to poke into it and stuff. But most
Speaker 1: people don't want to talk about kids being abused either.
Speaker 1: It's not something you talk about at the dinner with
Speaker 1: your whole family. You don't go to work and talk
Speaker 1: to You kind of have to feel people out, like
Speaker 1: are you willing to talk about this topic? You know?
Speaker 1: And that scares me. It's just it'll go as long
Speaker 1: as it's as long as it's happening. It needs I
Speaker 1: agree with you, it needs to be talked about more.
Speaker 1: Otherwise it's just going to be continued to be swept
Speaker 1: under the rug. Yeah. I also think this is why
Speaker 1: they're denying her bail requests, even though she's asking for
Speaker 1: twenty eight point five million bail, because they know that
Speaker 1: she's a flight risk and that she'll probably jump ship
Speaker 1: and hide because there are so many secrets and if
Speaker 1: they keep digging, they're going to get there, and there
Speaker 1: are so many people that want to keep these secrets hidden.
Speaker 1: Can we also discuss the fact that in between when
Speaker 1: Epstein was arrested and dyeing all these things, she was
Speaker 1: out there doing ted talks. I'm sorry like we already knew,
Speaker 1: we already knew, and yet you're out doing TED talks
Speaker 1: empowering women starting these new companies. Like she ends up
Speaker 1: with another wealthy man that ends up leaving his wife
Speaker 1: for her, Like there is a pattern here I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a narcissist right there, not taking any
Speaker 1: accountability at all. Like this woman, if she gets off
Speaker 1: like she does, she's not going to learn a lesson.
Speaker 1: It's not like all of a sudden she's gonna be
Speaker 1: a better person, you know, But at this point, beyond
Speaker 1: just trying to put her in jail, she should absolutely
Speaker 1: put in jail for the maximum amount of time, but
Speaker 1: beyond that, like we need to know who else was involved.
Speaker 1: Also just for quieting down the rumors. I'm so sick
Speaker 1: of going on the Internet and having people write things
Speaker 1: or right to me the d M s about like
Speaker 1: you know that all of Hollywood is involved in this,
Speaker 1: And because people know that I've been connected to celebrities
Speaker 1: when I worked in l A, people always say like,
Speaker 1: justin you know that Hollywood is disgusting. The I'm like,
Speaker 1: no one in Hollywood is eating babies. The general doesn't
Speaker 1: have like ellenor Jenners, so that have kids in her basement.
Speaker 1: I mean when I moved, I'll be honest, when I
Speaker 1: moved to the South was the first time I started
Speaker 1: hearing celebrity rumors, like people like, oh wait, you're connected
Speaker 1: to Hollywood? Have you heard the blablah? I'm like, are
Speaker 1: you guys out of your damn mind? Like yours? Like
Speaker 1: Christian is eating babies? And yeah, I mean, yeah, Hollywood
Speaker 1: is discussing, just not for that reason. They have a
Speaker 1: whole other slow of reasons. But like that's why I
Speaker 1: guess why I can't wrap my head around is why
Speaker 1: do they have to be the same thing. Why can't
Speaker 1: it just be here's the information, here's what's going on, who,
Speaker 1: here's who's involved in this case, and then if it's shown,
Speaker 1: we can start to educate our families and how to
Speaker 1: protect themselves. Exactly. I just want to really quickly give
Speaker 1: a rundown of the charges relating to the allegations that
Speaker 1: she's had over the past ten year period between two
Speaker 1: thousand four. So, the charges so far are conspiracy to
Speaker 1: entice miners to travel to engage in a legal sex act,
Speaker 1: enticement of a minor to travel, to engage in a
Speaker 1: legal sex acts, conspiracy to transport miners with intent to
Speaker 1: engage in criminal sexual activity, transporting a minor with the
Speaker 1: intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, sex trafficking, conspiracy
Speaker 1: sex trafficking of a minor, and she's also charged with
Speaker 1: two counts of perjury. So those are a lot of
Speaker 1: allegations to get out of. I don't I think if
Speaker 1: she gets off on one, she's not getting off on
Speaker 1: all of these. I don't think she's getting off. But
Speaker 1: I think the point is why don't we Why aren't
Speaker 1: we hearing the updates because of I mean, even when
Speaker 1: you watch Prince Andrew stumble through his interview about how
Speaker 1: he was never in the picture, he never even thinks
Speaker 1: he went upstairs, Like it's unbelievable, Like, why are we
Speaker 1: talking about it? And why when we are talking about it?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we need to get into the
Speaker 1: world of being shadow banded. Why when you're talking about it,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, of the algorithms chained on your
Speaker 1: Instagram and people can't see your story. Well, if that
Speaker 1: doesn't tell you something right there, it's like, come on,
Speaker 1: like there is absolutely something going on. We know that
Speaker 1: this is being trying to be hidden. The thing that's
Speaker 1: funny about Prince Andrew is it's like the fact that
Speaker 1: he even thinks that, like, because of his position, he
Speaker 1: can just say that, oh, I wasn't there. It's like, dude,
Speaker 1: we see the pictures, like you, we're looking at the photo.
Speaker 1: We see the pictures, and we've seen the interview from
Speaker 1: the girl. Yeah. And and Galine is trying to deflect
Speaker 1: any of the blame on her and saying that if
Speaker 1: Epstein was still alive, no one would care about her.
Speaker 1: They I still care about her. I'm actually I love
Speaker 1: that she mad at her because she should be protecting
Speaker 1: these girls. Yea, exactly, yes. And she was acting like
Speaker 1: a fake sister or mother and showering them in gifts
Speaker 1: and wading outside schoolyard gates to groom girls and poach
Speaker 1: them and find them. And she was saying, you know
Speaker 1: how he likes them skinny and pretty and young. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm is bad because I would have never been chosen.
Speaker 1: I mean. The other thing is Glen says that Jeffrey
Speaker 1: needed to have sex three times a day and it
Speaker 1: was hard for her to keep up. Yeah, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: who doesn't how else are you supposed to be productive? Um,
Speaker 1: I don't try having some kids. Kidding, I'm so single,
Speaker 1: I'm so single. But you can schedule the three times
Speaker 1: a week with me between this hour and this hour.
Speaker 1: But but also, you know, I feel bad for the
Speaker 1: women and the pseudonyms that they're using. Obviously, for one
Speaker 1: like Kate who was trained to massage his feet, so
Speaker 1: Gleyne would massage his feet, then she would massage his feet,
Speaker 1: and then he would call her in to have a
Speaker 1: different type of massage, and Glen would give her all
Speaker 1: these compliments about saying, oh, I'm so glad you're here.
Speaker 1: You did such a good time last time that he
Speaker 1: wanted you to come back. And it just makes one
Speaker 1: of vomit in my mouth. I mean, this is so disgusting.
Speaker 1: And anybody who has I mean, Teddy, you have kids,
Speaker 1: and anybody, I mean all of my best friends or girls,
Speaker 1: like all of us should be just like up in
Speaker 1: arms about this. We should want this to be taken
Speaker 1: care of. It needs to be blasted everywhere, like this
Speaker 1: is something that obviously needs to be taken care of
Speaker 1: beyond just Epstein. But he's the biggest case that we've
Speaker 1: ever seen of this type of type of thing. You know,
Speaker 1: So when people are saying like, um oh Epstein himself
Speaker 1: today on social media, people were saying, oh, the reason
Speaker 1: people aren't talking about because Epstein himself isn't that famous,
Speaker 1: Like some people don't care, Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like this is this, this case should be everywhere. We
Speaker 1: should all absolutely care, we should all want this to
Speaker 1: be taken care of. Um. I just won't understand these
Speaker 1: people wanted to fight about it online other than just
Speaker 1: coming together, because I think that's what's happening right now.
Speaker 1: I think that's why. You know, I'm glad we're having
Speaker 1: this conversation. But the divide people want. People are so
Speaker 1: lost right now that they want to do anything to
Speaker 1: give them that rise and feeling. So fighting with each
Speaker 1: other is the only way they're getting that like feeling.
Speaker 1: That That's why it's like how some people are in
Speaker 1: bad relationships because they ultimately like that rush of getting
Speaker 1: in that fight and then making up and having makeup
Speaker 1: sex or whatever it is. And then imagine when you
Speaker 1: finally get into a good relationship because I was in
Speaker 1: the really messy with a wonderful one, but how good
Speaker 1: it is on the other side. So the thing is,
Speaker 1: it's like, you guys, imagine how great it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Like the next chapter of all of our lives after
Speaker 1: the past two years we just had, is should be
Speaker 1: to come together to bond somehow as Americans. And that's
Speaker 1: not me being like kumbaya and trying to be sweet.
Speaker 1: It's like, aren't we sick of fighting about everything? And
Speaker 1: now we're even fighting about sex trafficking victims of like
Speaker 1: sexual abuse children were fighting about that. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised there are no protests outside the trial.
Speaker 1: You think that after the year we've had with everyone
Speaker 1: protesting and being the streets, that that there you and
Speaker 1: to walk towards the trial. But that's the problem. That's
Speaker 1: the problem with the media not being involved too, is
Speaker 1: that the media wanted there to be riots, and they
Speaker 1: wanted us to They would set that up, you know.
Speaker 1: But it's like, there should absolutely people out front who
Speaker 1: are demanding justice, like to show that this is a
Speaker 1: massive case that we all care about, but they're not
Speaker 1: out there because do you know how many people even
Speaker 1: write to me on Instagram who are like, um, what
Speaker 1: trial are you even talking about? What are you talking
Speaker 1: about and I'm like the fact that you don't even know. Well,
Speaker 1: we have to remember that this happened already once the
Speaker 1: first time in Florida. Remember when everything just got pushed
Speaker 1: aside at the first time he was arrested. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a bigger red flag than my ex boyfriend. I can't
Speaker 1: but I think, you know. In closing, because I know
Speaker 1: we're running out of time, justin what do you recommend
Speaker 1: that people do right now to get educated on this
Speaker 1: for facts, it's not about political but facts. And then
Speaker 1: how do they spread the word so this becomes something
Speaker 1: that we're all talking about, not fighting about. You know,
Speaker 1: It's funny. There's that account that we keep talking about.
Speaker 1: Her name is house Inhabit. Her name is Jessica, and
Speaker 1: I've actually been following her for like the past year
Speaker 1: and a half on my fake account. So I've been
Speaker 1: watching all of her stories because before I before I
Speaker 1: shout something, because even though I act like a total
Speaker 1: idiot on Instagram, like I am thoughtful. I like I
Speaker 1: was saying earlier, I don't want to talk about politics,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not even smart enough to go to debate
Speaker 1: with people in politics. So I'm really careful about what
Speaker 1: I put out there. But I was following for a
Speaker 1: year and I was like, wow, this woman is being very,
Speaker 1: very open both She's not making it about a left
Speaker 1: or right issue. She really breaks everything down and lets
Speaker 1: people be like, here's the fact, you guys think what
Speaker 1: you want. So I've been following her and she just
Speaker 1: gets to be really fired up. So house Inhabit on
Speaker 1: Instagram is fabulous. And then beyond that, it's just, um,
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to have this conversation or to be
Speaker 1: paying attention to it. Like I'm seeing that more some
Speaker 1: people are starting to post about it on Instagram, but um,
Speaker 1: it's just while it's to me that they're not. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are all the crazy hashtag people who fight for everything,
Speaker 1: but then it's absolute silence with this. Every other issue
Speaker 1: that we've run into in the past few years has
Speaker 1: a hashtag and a movement. Everyone's screaming yes, like yeah,
Speaker 1: this is just literally crickets. Like that's so weird to
Speaker 1: be you know. It's like, I don't even want to
Speaker 1: do the whole box thing and yelling at each other,
Speaker 1: pushing all that kind of stuff, but this has nothing.
Speaker 1: No one's talking about it. So house in habit is great. Wait, Teddy,
Speaker 1: what's the feel like? Are your friends in l A
Speaker 1: talking about it? You know? Not really? I mean I
Speaker 1: think that. I mean, if if somebody brings it up,
Speaker 1: we'll have the conversation. But I think it's more like
Speaker 1: we we've watched this movie and it's not really happening, right,
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, when we all watched the documentary
Speaker 1: when it came out on Netflix, Filthy Wrench, everybody kind
Speaker 1: of talked about that, but it was like it was
Speaker 1: not real life. And I think that's what's because it's
Speaker 1: so terrible and it's so traumatic. I think people put
Speaker 1: it to the side because you don't want to believe
Speaker 1: it to be true. People are just assuming it will
Speaker 1: get handled because it's so obvious that it all happened. Well,
Speaker 1: And here's the thing to anyone, to anyone listening, like
Speaker 1: it will be handled in the sense that like she will,
Speaker 1: she'll be found guilty if she has found guild, like
Speaker 1: she'll be handled. But there's a whole bigger web that's
Speaker 1: not being opened up. That's what's not going to be
Speaker 1: handled unless people start demanding, like, who's in the Black Book?
Speaker 1: Talk about that? Where are the tapes that you guys have,
Speaker 1: the videos that you guys have, Like why aren't names
Speaker 1: being said? They won't be they won't be said. There's
Speaker 1: way too much money behind it, so Galanne will be
Speaker 1: taken care of. But that's the problem. But I think
Speaker 1: that that's you know, it's not that this is a
Speaker 1: true comparison, but even what happened with Free Brittany, it
Speaker 1: took people to repeatedly talk about it, open up the
Speaker 1: conversation of conservativeship for people to actually make can you
Speaker 1: change and go to court and actually want to know her?
Speaker 1: You want to know? It's funny and like, I have
Speaker 1: to share this in case some people end up on
Speaker 1: this podcast who have listened to be talked before I
Speaker 1: got into hot water about a year and a half ago,
Speaker 1: because when the free Britney stuff was happening, I was
Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't know, I think Britney spine.
Speaker 1: I think that Britney wants help, She'll ask and I'll
Speaker 1: be really honest. There were a lot of people close
Speaker 1: to Brittany who kind of got in my ear about
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago. It was like Britney spine,
Speaker 1: like whatever, and they grooming sounds so weird, but kind
Speaker 1: of taught me to be like, no Brittney spine because
Speaker 1: before that I was doing hashtag free Brittany or whatever,
Speaker 1: and these people came in there like she's fine or whatever,
Speaker 1: and so I was kind of like, she's fine whatever.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, when all this opened up,
Speaker 1: I was like, holy sh it, like I got silence
Speaker 1: I was. I started saying things like she's fine, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be taking care of whatever. So now looking back
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, there are a lot of things
Speaker 1: that are gonna happen now and moving forward that we
Speaker 1: really do have to pay attention to and get loud about,
Speaker 1: asked more questions. So I learned it from Brittany. Everything
Speaker 1: goes back to Brittany for me, I mean everything, everything
Speaker 1: is Oh my gosh, you guys, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us justin Please if there's ever a case
Speaker 1: you want to talk about, we talk about them all.
Speaker 1: Please come on again. We are such a pleasure. And
Speaker 1: I love following you because I learned from you. I
Speaker 1: hear different conversations. I also love that if you say
Speaker 1: something and you change your mind, you will always end
Speaker 1: up You'll say you're like, listen, you prove me wrong
Speaker 1: or this happened right. I love that because that's growth,
Speaker 1: you guys, And that's the only way that we started
Speaker 1: to use that word in the sentence. What what I
Speaker 1: don't even know what's that? Oh? Growth? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but that's growth, and it's the only way that we
Speaker 1: all are out actually going to do it. And so
Speaker 1: I appreciate you for speaking out justin for coming on
Speaker 1: and talking with us, because it's the only way, it's
Speaker 1: the only way out of all of this. I appreciate
Speaker 1: that so much. I really appreciate you pointing that out,
Speaker 1: Teddy like a lot, because I do think that that's
Speaker 1: what's missing right now is everyone's yelling their stuff, but
Speaker 1: it's okay to talk and also take things back and say, wow,
Speaker 1: now I'm seeing it this way, and I think that's
Speaker 1: what we're all missing as humans. There needs to be
Speaker 1: a lot more of that, just conversations back and forth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to hate each other afterwards, you can
Speaker 1: just have a conversation. But yeah, we'll do the best
Speaker 1: that we can. Um, guys, hope we need to come
Speaker 1: up with a hashtag for this. That seems to be
Speaker 1: the only reason that people get excited about something. Let's
Speaker 1: see what our responses from this, and then maybe we'll
Speaker 1: have to all collectively come together and we get we'll
Speaker 1: create a hashtag and do all that. We have homework,
Speaker 1: all right, everybody got to three? Go? All right? Thank
Speaker 1: you guys, Thank you Justin to me, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: all about hashtag. Galaine maxed out. I I guys, I
Speaker 1: just I can't believe all this, Leah, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for informing us on so many terrible news updates,
Speaker 1: so many things. Thank you so much, Teddy, really do
Speaker 1: our call in number just the way that only you
Speaker 1: can do. Yeah, of course always, and of course thank
Speaker 1: you Justin for coming on and being our celebrity social
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