1 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Well, it just seemed like the time we should have 2 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: a little chat about the American Revolution because we still 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: have problems, we always will have problems, but we need 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: to remember how blessed we are. That's really what I 5 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: wanted to talk you about. And we have three incredible 6 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: guests that are going to come at this revolution from 7 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: different angles, and you're about to learn so much on 8 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: the show. But I just want to remind you of 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: this revolution. The toppling of a government, it's not a 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: new concept. It's happened since well since man started to 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: establish governments on Earth. People get sick of it, they 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: topple it. It almost always ends bad. Why Why does 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: it almost always end bad? And you see that, you 14 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: can see this today. You'll have an evil government, an 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: evil tyrant, something horrible, and we'll think, well, well, let's 16 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: just get rid of it. And we do several times. 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: We've participated in it several times and you think, whoa, 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: it can't possibly get worse. We got rid of this guy. 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: But it's almost always worse. Why is that, Well, it's 20 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: because usually the people with the most power, the most guns, 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: they're the ones who fill up the power vacuum when 22 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: a government has been toppled. So you may kick out 23 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: a tyrant, an evil tyrant, a bad man, but the 24 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: guy who is the most powerful, who's willing to shoot 25 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: the most people in the face or stab him, if 26 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: we're going back to ancient history, he's the one who 27 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: ends up taking over. And then you went from one 28 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: tyrant to an even worse tyrant slash warlord. But that 29 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: didn't happen here. We are one of the few few 30 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: countries you can ever name in human history where we 31 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: had a revolution. We tossed off a tyrant. And the 32 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: men who led our revolution, they absolutely could have taken 33 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: power established some sort of monarchy and oligarchy here. But 34 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: the men, wealthy, powerful men who led our revolution, they 35 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: wanted something different. You me, we exist here two hundred 36 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: and forty nine years later, was something different because our 37 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: revolution was about casting off tyranny and making sure we 38 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: never replace it. They didn't want to replace the King 39 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: of England when they tossed him out. They wanted the 40 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: American people to be free. And I wanted to nail 41 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: down on this really quickly before we get to our guests. 42 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: Land of the Free. Free America is free. Don't let 43 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: that word mean nothing. It's become so watered down now 44 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: that we don't even really understand what we're talking about. 45 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: To be free means that you the citizen, you can 46 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: criticize your government openly, out in the public square without fear. 47 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: It means you, the American citizen, you are allowed to 48 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: be armed because it doesn't matter whether or not the 49 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: government wants you to be armed. You should be armed 50 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: because you the individual, you are sovereign, and you have 51 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: every right to protect yourself, your family, and your property. 52 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: Now these concepts may seem oh yeah, I get that. 53 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: You don't understand how unique that is in human history. 54 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: In fact, how unique it is in the world today 55 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: as we speak right now. That's not how most people 56 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 1: live on this planet. But you do and I do, 57 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: and we have that blessing because of the Revolution, not 58 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: that's just because we fought a war with the most 59 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: powerful country on Earth and one because we fought a 60 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: war with the most powerful country on Earth one and 61 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: created a free society. Just the state system itself, the 62 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: federal government limited. That's really what most of the Constitution 63 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: is about. Putting up walls fences around the federal government. 64 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: You're only allowed to do this and only allowed to 65 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: do that anything else. The states get to govern themselves. 66 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: The people deserve to be free, The people deserve to 67 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: choose what they want. You me, our children, they get 68 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: to enjoy that country. And that is so incredibly unique 69 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: in human history. That's not usually how it goes. We 70 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: are blessed. Our revolution is rare. It's the rarest thing 71 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: in the world, and we're just so blessed by God 72 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: to be here. I hope you realize that the American Revolution, 73 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: we all think we kind of know the high points, 74 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: and maybe we do know the high points, but there's 75 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: so much more to it. So we thought we thought 76 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: it'd be a good time to bring in some experts, 77 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: guys who've written books on it, dissected it. I mean 78 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: even things like give me liberty or give me death. 79 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: Everyone knows that speech, But what was that all about? 80 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: What was happening at the time. Well, I think we 81 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: should dig into that, don't you. Let's do that next. 82 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: I love feeling good all the time. It's very rare, 83 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: isn't it to feel energized in a good mood, And 84 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: especially today, we kind of sometimes we get down or 85 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: we need an afternoon cup of coffee and we don't 86 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: know why. Well, let me explain why you're not getting 87 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: everything you need in your body. So where do you go? 88 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: You want to go to the doctor, down to the 89 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: local clinic. Why don't you try natural solutions? That's what's 90 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: changed my life. Chalk has changed my entire life. It's 91 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: changed my work, changed my home life. My mood is better. 92 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: What do I do? That's pretty easy. I wake up, 93 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: eat some breakfast tacos, my wife gets mad, and then 94 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: I wash it down with a male vitality stack from 95 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: Chalk has me feeling good every single day. No more 96 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: random bouts of boom. Could have said, no more running 97 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: out of energy. They have female vitality stacks. They have 98 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: choc lit powder. If you're one of those workout freaks, 99 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: they have a pre workout all natural called Chad Mode. 100 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: Chalk is your first stop, not your last stop, when 101 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: you want something improved in your life. Chalk dot com, 102 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: slash Jesse TV. All right, so how do you teach history? 103 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: How should you teach history? Your nation's history. Certain countries, 104 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: like ours in certain sectors, teach their kids that the 105 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: country sucks. Certain countries go completely the opposite way, maybe 106 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: over the top, maybe too over the top, depending on 107 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: who you are countries like Japan. Let's ask someone who 108 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: actually teaches it instead of me. Joining me now, the 109 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: great doctor Wilfred maclay of the amazing Hillsdale College, which 110 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: is near and dear to my heart, an author of 111 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: the book that I would recommend if you're looking to 112 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: learn about this land of Hope. All right, doctor, you 113 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: have the awesome responsibility of teaching young minds about America, 114 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: American history, the Revolution. How do you do it? What's 115 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: the right way? 116 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of things. I think the 117 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: first and foremost thing is you have to think of 118 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: yourself as being involved in helping deform citizens a good citizens, 119 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: people who are going to be informed, effective, judicious, non 120 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: crazy to function as citizens in a democratic, republican society. 121 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: And that doesn't just happen by osmosis. They have to 122 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: learn certain things. They have to learn the principles of 123 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: our way of life, of our government. So that's what 124 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: I see as the foremost responsibility. 125 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: But I also think. 126 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: You ought to teach history is something that is part 127 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: of their heritage, that it's an inheritance, and it's a 128 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: good inheritance. It's not an inheritance of disease or debt. 129 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: It's a or not that exclusively is an inheritance of 130 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: freedom and the freedom that people have fought for, died for, 131 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 2: sacrifice for, and given they're all to perpetuate. So there 132 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: should be an attitude of gratitude, if I may put 133 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: it that way. And I definitely am not of the 134 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: school thought the first kind of historian that you cited 135 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: in your intro. I think it's an extraordinary country and 136 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: they should know it, and they should be grateful for that, 137 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: and they should take up the task of perpetuating it. 138 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: Amen. No, I agree one hundred percent. I love that. 139 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: I love that line. I'm preparing citizens. Do you find 140 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: now I should preface this by saying, I understand Hillsdale 141 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: College is going to get a certain kind of student, 142 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: a student that's probably more ready to hear from someone 143 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: like you than you know, Berkeley or something like that. 144 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: But do you find the students you get ready for 145 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: that message? Are they have they been taught something different? 146 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: Do they do they soak it up like a sponge? 147 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: Do they push back? How's that go? 148 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: Well? 149 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 2: Look, I feel very privileged to be at Hillsdale. I've 150 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: only been here for four years, and actually, if somebody 151 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: my age would normal people would be thinking about retirement. 152 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: My idea of retirement is getting carried out in a 153 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: pine box. So I love what I do so much, 154 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: and I think it's too important to you know, I 155 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: have no interest in playing golf or shuffleboard, so you 156 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: know what am I going to But seriously, it's a 157 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: privilege to teach at Hillsdale. But I've only done it 158 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: for the last four years. The other thirty six seven 159 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: years i've been teaching, I've been at other places, some 160 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: of which were very good or I had very good experience. 161 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,359 Speaker 3: It's very good students. I had great students at the University. 162 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: Of Oklahoma, for example, where I was for eight years 163 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 2: and before coming to Hillsdale. And I have great affection 164 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: for Hillsdale for Oklahoma. But I would have to say, 165 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 2: unlike Hillsdale students, you can't You don't know what you're 166 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 2: going to be getting. In terms of having a kind 167 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: of eager, hungry predisposition to know more about a country 168 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: that they all any love and they want to know 169 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 2: more why about why they should love it. 170 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: You have to you have to do some persuasion. 171 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: And students come in with very bad mistaken ideas. For example, 172 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: I think other places that I've taught, the assumption that 173 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 2: students have coming into the class is that the United 174 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: States invented slavery, and really only the Southern States. So 175 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 2: there's a unique kind of burden of guilt that we bear, 176 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: and that's absolutely rubbish. You know, we did not invent slavery. 177 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: Slavery has been universal, It's almost been more the rule 178 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: than the exception in the. 179 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: History of humankind. 180 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: We did something extraordinary beginning around the eighteenth century that 181 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 2: we and the Anglo American world started to move towards 182 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 2: abolition of slavery, and we America, the United States in America, 183 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: had the first anti slavery you abolitionist society in the world. So, yes, 184 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: we were guilty of this institution that the human race 185 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: has largely outgrown, although there's a lot of it going 186 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: on today in the world. 187 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: That's another subject. 188 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: But we have led the way in dealing with our faults, 189 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: and I think that's one of the things that kids 190 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: need to get is an understanding you don't have to 191 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: claim perfection for the United States of America to be 192 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: proud of it, and to be proud of our founding fathers, 193 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: who were fallible leaders. If you're looking for infallibility in 194 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: your heroes, you're never going to find any heroes because 195 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: there aren't any infallible. 196 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: Men in the world. 197 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: But what is great about us It is not only 198 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: that we have a great beginning founded on great principles, 199 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: but we've been trying and trying, trying decade after decorating, 200 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: I guess, century after century to live up to those 201 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: ideals that are foundational to us, and I think accentuated 202 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: the negative, especially when we come up on our two 203 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: hundred and fiftieth anniversary, seems to be. 204 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 3: Very wronghanded. But you're right. 205 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 4: There are America Sucks contingents out there and full force, 206 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 4: particularly in higher education, which is really very sad. 207 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: No it is. And I'll tell you doctor, I'm a 208 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: history freak. Obviously, I'm just a fan. I'm not a 209 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: historian like you are, but I'm a history freak. I 210 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: just hoover it up, I read, I watch it all, 211 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: and it has been very difficult for me, as a 212 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: history fan to watch what has happened to the subject 213 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: of history. I actually argue repeatedly it's one of the 214 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: most damaging thing the America haters have taken over. You 215 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: can't just download a podcast now while getting some sort 216 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: of America sucks version of history a new book. It's 217 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: some America sucks version of history, and I can't stand it. 218 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: It's awful. 219 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 2: Well, and you know, the funny thing about it is 220 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: that they are so moralistic, and you know, you can't 221 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: you can't talk about just in an objective way about slavery, 222 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: how it is different at different times and in different regions, 223 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: and you know, just understand it as a human institution 224 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: of a particular time and place. 225 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 3: You have to deliver a sermon on the subject. 226 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: And that, again, that gets in the way of historical understanding. 227 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: History is not a morality play, even though I also 228 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: insist that we have much to be very very proud 229 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: of about our history. And but you know, another reason 230 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: to teach history, eric in history to our students is 231 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: that this is something, is their heritage. It's a precious thing, 232 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: and to teach it wrongly, to teach it as a 233 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 2: source of shame, is really to deprive them. 234 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: It's like depriving somebody of their inheritance. 235 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: And I think that's morally offensive and also a big 236 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: waste of time that could be better spent inculcating them 237 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: with a sense of pride. 238 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: You know. 239 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: One of the things when I was working on the book, 240 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: I had a man I didn't know very well, a 241 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: very high end lawyer in New York, white shoe law firm, 242 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: who wanted to meet me, and we had dinner together, 243 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: and he made this statement that absolutely blew me away. 244 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: It's a simple statement. 245 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: Many of your listeners will say, well, duh, But I 246 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: had not thought about this. He said, Look, I think 247 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: that when you teach young people that they live under 248 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: a bad regime, it's damaging to their souls. 249 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: And while that just hit. 250 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: Me very hard that the way you teach history it's 251 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: very important as an act of moral formation in the art, 252 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: and if you form them in the wrong way, it 253 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: could be damaging to them and permanent and very serious ways, 254 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: and have consequences for the nation too. But I have 255 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: consequences for them in their individual lives so ever since then, 256 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 2: and I had informed my composition of the book. But 257 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: by the way, may I say, we have a new 258 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: second edition of Land of Hope coming out and it's 259 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: going to be great. We have three times as many 260 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: maps and images, all kinds of features that teachers are 261 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: going to love. It's a kind of non textbook textbook. 262 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: That's what I stroked it. And everybody tells me they 263 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: love reading it. So you know, who am I to object? 264 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: But I think they're going to love the two point 265 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: oh the Land of Hope two point oh better. 266 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to so nerd out on this book. 267 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: I can't wait to get my hands on this book. Well, 268 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: we'll send you a copy as soon as I get it. Oh, 269 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: that's all over it. I'm all over it. Why do 270 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: you call it a Land of Hope? 271 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 2: Because well, and that was the first thing I did 272 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: when I before I started writing it, I thought to myself, 273 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: you know, the title is really going to be very important, 274 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 2: and I thought of and. 275 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: It came to me very quickly. 276 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: And for this reason that it America is. 277 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 3: America is a place. 278 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: It's an idea, but it's also a sort of spiritual concept. 279 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 3: And in this sense that we. 280 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 2: It's part of our national makeup, a part of our 281 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: nation creed. 282 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 3: We're made up of many people. 283 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: We are a nation of immigrants, in the sense that 284 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: the entire Western hemisphere was populated by people who had 285 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: come from somewhere else. Even the indigenous peoples had come 286 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 2: from somewhere else. They'd come from Asia. But all the 287 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 2: people who came westward, but the very important exception of 288 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: enslaved Africans, came in search of a better life. They 289 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: wanted to take a chance on a new place, a 290 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 2: new location, a second chance at life, not to be 291 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: condemned to live out their lives in the conditions into 292 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 2: which they were born, whether they were Polish peasants or 293 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: what have you. That America's was a chance at a 294 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: second chance. And you know, it's a land of hope 295 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: in that the hopes of improvement of one's life and 296 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: also the hope because it's that we've always been a 297 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: very religious people. I said, a hope that while it's 298 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: the original Puritan saught that they could establish a true 299 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 2: church in a new Zaia, the new world. Uh So, 300 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: in some ways it's we are the most I say, 301 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: we're the most aspirational people on earth, probably the most 302 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: aspirational people that have ever been. And that's why my 303 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: Land of Hope seemed to me to be the perfect title, 304 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: because hope is aspiration, Hope is that is uh that 305 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: that that substance towards which we we yearn, the things 306 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: for which which may be material, they may be spiritual. 307 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: All of these things are part of our makeup. 308 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: Doctor. You make me want to go sit in your class. 309 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: Not that I could ever get into Hillsdale, but you 310 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: make me want to go sit in your class. A 311 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: land of hope. I will be picking it up, Thank you, 312 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: sir very much. That guy's awesome. Gosh, I'm just so 313 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: geeking out on the revolution. Anyway, we have more with 314 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: another expert. Next. I love chips. Did you know that 315 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: I freaking love chips? And chips are terrible for you. 316 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: That's just the truth. I've loved them since I was 317 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: a kid. My parents had to live it how many 318 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: little chips I could get in a little bull. Guess what. 319 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: I don't have to limit my chips anymore because of 320 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: massive chips. I was told about massive chips by a friend. 321 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: Only three ingredients, no seed, oils, and that kind of stuff. 322 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, I immediately rolled my eyes. 323 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: Oh good, another disgusting chip. That's gonna be gross. They're incredible. 324 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 1: My youngest son, he probably eats worse than I do. 325 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: I can't keep bags of massive chips in the house. 326 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: He steals them and takes them up to his room 327 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: and just devours them. Greatest freaking thing I have ever 328 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: discovered in my life. If you are a chip lover 329 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: and you don't want all the extra garbage, if you 330 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: want something delicious, there you go. Massachips dot com slash 331 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: jessetv saves you a pile of money. Go enjoy. We 332 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: all make a mistake with history. I shouldn't say we all. 333 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: I make a mistake with history where we look back, 334 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: especially on something like the American Revolution, the early days 335 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: of this country, and we think to ourselves, Wow, I mean, 336 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: they didn't have the criminal government we have now that 337 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: be FBI and all this crimes and cover ups and lies, 338 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: that this is a new phenomenon. But there's nothing new 339 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: under the sun. As the Good Book says, joining me 340 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: now is somebody who knows just a little bit more 341 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: about this than I do. Donald Jeffrey's, author of the 342 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: book Crimes and cover Ups in American Politics from nineteen 343 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: seventy six to nineteen sixty three. Donald, are you telling 344 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: me there were there were cover ups in crimes back 345 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: in the seventeen hundreds. That doesn't sound right. 346 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 5: As you said, there's nothing new under the sense hard 347 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 5: to believe. 348 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: Isn't it what happened back then? 349 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 5: Well, I think you know it's that book covers a 350 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 5: whole lot of territory. It does start from the American 351 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 5: Revolution on. 352 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 3: But I think you know that. 353 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 5: I think the first thing you remembers was we have 354 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 5: a unique situation here where we have a country that 355 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 5: was formed, and at this point in history, the people 356 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 5: that rule this country now want nothing to do with 357 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 5: the founders of the country or the documents that for 358 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 5: at matter, so they basically ignore the founding In fact, 359 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 5: when I was researching that book, I watched a lot 360 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 5: of movies. I watched a lot of movies anyhow, and 361 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 5: I've found, in my astonishment that Hollywood pretty much has 362 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 5: always ignored the founding fathers. There's never been a biography 363 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 5: about George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, any of them, 364 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 5: which is odd given the patriotic films they had back 365 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 5: in the day. And in fact, when mel Gibson made 366 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 5: the movie The Patriot, I think in the late nineties, 367 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember, but it caused a 368 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 5: great deal of controversy, and it was just it was 369 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 5: just a straightforward account of one man's you know, fight 370 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 5: against the British and you think that would be a 371 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 5: harold It is a patriotic film, no they I mean 372 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 5: all the usual suspects. You're raked it over the calls. 373 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 5: How can you make this film? This is full of 374 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 5: hate and everything. So it's it's very unique because we 375 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 5: still have leaders that swear to uphold the Constitution, and 376 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 5: I don't think very many of them believe in the Constitution. 377 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 5: So I don't know there are other other countries like this, 378 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 5: but we have a unique situation here where our founding 379 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 5: documents and our founders, which of course are increasingly vilified now. 380 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 5: When I was a kid, they were still heroes. Largely 381 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 5: none are heroes now except Alexander Hamilton, who's been transformed 382 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 5: into a black Broadway star because he was the banker's 383 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 5: favorite founder and invented debt, so of course he would 384 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 5: he would be welcome today. But none of the others, 385 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 5: especially Thomas Jefferson, my favorite, has been really chastised and 386 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 5: unfairly treated, and he you know, wrote the timeless Declaration 387 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 5: of Independence and was probably the first classical liberal which 388 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 5: I based my politics on. 389 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: Where did he learn his politics? 390 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 5: Well, I think he was certainly inspired by John Locke 391 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 5: and and you know people like that. But he, you know, 392 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 5: he had an open mind. He was one of the 393 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 5: free thinkers you know, of his day, and he was 394 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 5: he was a product of the Enlightenment. Of course, he 395 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 5: came long later in the Enlightenment, but probably you could 396 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 5: argue that the American Revolution was maybe one of the 397 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 5: greatest accomplishments of the Renaissance. It came down, it came 398 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 5: a little later, but these were free thinkers who no 399 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 5: longer thought we had to have royalty. We don't need 400 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 5: a king or queen. And that was the idea and 401 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 5: the most revolutionary concept they came up with was the 402 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 5: consent to the government. You know, no other nation had 403 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 5: done that before, so you know, we we're gonna you know, 404 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 5: in most other countries it was by royal decree. You know, 405 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 5: you listen to the king or you didn't. But in America, 406 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 5: this was no you know, these you have a right 407 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 5: to be governed by those that you consent to have 408 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 5: you governed. So you know, that's why it's you know, 409 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 5: when we look at something like later on during the 410 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 5: Civil War. That's why there's a big dichotomy between what 411 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 5: happened then what happened in Civil War, because clearly in 412 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 5: eighteen sixty there were people, you know, seven thirty that 413 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 5: can be thirteen states who no longer consented. So it 414 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 5: kind of made a mockery of what we were because 415 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 5: we were founded on the consent of the governed. And 416 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 5: now I don't know how many millions we look at 417 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 5: a secession. Now we've got probably between the red and 418 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 5: Blue states, how many millions of people don't want to 419 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 5: live with, you know, the other seventy or eighty million, 420 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 5: lots of us And so we're not consenting anymore. And 421 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 5: I'm not sure what will happen out of that, because 422 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 5: we've never had the kind of division that we have 423 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 5: now in anywhere, and certainly during the Civil War you 424 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 5: had basic foundational issues that everyone agreed on God for instance. 425 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 5: Now we don't have anything like that. We don't have 426 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 5: any type of fundational issue. So I don't think what 427 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 5: happened in seventeen seventy six would would be remotely possible today. 428 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 5: And people always need to remember as well that that 429 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 5: revolution was led by the one percenters of their day, 430 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 5: these people you know, John Hancock, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, 431 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 5: Thomas Jefferson. They were like the Bill Gates and jeff 432 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 5: Bezos of the day. So I certainly can't imagine the 433 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 5: one percenters that now they're the villains of our day 434 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 5: to most of us. But I don't think the warfare 435 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 5: independence would have been possible because most people are followers, 436 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 5: and I don't think they would have had the wherewithal 437 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 5: or even the desire to lead a revolution by themselves. 438 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 5: But we had the people of influence that basically sparked this, 439 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 5: and then you had Thomas Paine, another rich guy who 440 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 5: wrote Common Sense, which was just a little forty eight 441 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 5: page pamphlet, but it had a huge impact on the public. 442 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: The population back then during this revolution. They ended up 443 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: coming together after the revolution, but we were divided during 444 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: it as well. Obviously, as you well know, there were loyalists, 445 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: there were revolutionaries, there were people who kind of sat 446 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: the thing out. How in the world did we come 447 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: together after that? 448 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 3: Well, it's a good question. 449 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 5: In One of the most notable examples would be everybody 450 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 5: remembers that they've seen the picture the painting of Benjamin 451 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 5: Franklin with his little son, you know, flying the kite, 452 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 5: you know, and being hit by lightning, and that little 453 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 5: boy ended up being a loyalist and Benjamin Franklin, and 454 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 5: that was probat of the most notable schism from the Revolution. 455 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 5: They never talked to each other for the rest of 456 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 5: our lives. Very very sad case. But I think you know, again, 457 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 5: people had it. There was there was a There were 458 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 5: certainly people that you had Federalists and at the beginning 459 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 5: of the Republic that the great issue of the day. 460 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 5: One of the great issues was was a central bank, 461 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 5: which later when we look at the Federal Reserve and 462 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 5: things like that, it culminated that. Obviously the other side one, 463 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 5: the federalists one, but at the time you had people 464 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 5: like Jefferson and Madison and Patrick Kenny before he got 465 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 5: people like that were arguing against that, and that was 466 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 5: a crucial issue, but it wasn't so much as it 467 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 5: wasn't a deal breaker. So you had people like Jefferson 468 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 5: and Adams who had one of the most contentious presidential 469 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 5: campaigns of all time eighteen hundred, who later became wrote 470 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 5: some of the greatest letters in the history of correspondence. 471 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 5: I mean, people still treasure the letters between Jefferson and 472 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 5: Adams for the next twenty five years or so. They 473 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 5: both lived into old age, but they were able to 474 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 5: bury their differences. So I think the differences were small 475 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 5: back then because they believed in the consent of the government. 476 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 5: And I don't know how many of them took it 477 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 5: to the degree that Thomas Jefferson did, but especially in 478 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 5: this age of people talking about insurrection and what happened 479 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 5: with the January sixth and all that, when you look 480 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 5: at the wording of the Declaration of Independence, what Jefferson 481 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 5: notably said, anytime that people grow weary or dissatisfied with 482 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 5: the government, they have they have every right to alter 483 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 5: it or abolish it. Now, I don't think there's a 484 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 5: leader in America today that would agree with that. They 485 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 5: would say, well, yeah, yeah, you do have the right 486 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 5: to alter abolish it. I mean what leader would possibly 487 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 5: say that. Maybe Thomas Massey, I don't know, but I 488 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 5: don't know if anybody else. And so it's a great thing, 489 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 5: and again it's something revolutionary because the idea was that 490 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 5: you have to so if you don't consent, and right now, 491 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 5: I suspect you're on my side. There's seventy or eighty 492 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 5: million of us that don't consent to, you know, the tyranny, 493 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 5: the degree of tyranny that we're being subjected to. We 494 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 5: don't I mean, no taxation with that representation. And there's 495 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 5: that was invented by a guy named James Otis has 496 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 5: been completely forgotten and went out in classics conspiratorial fire 497 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 5: style where he was struck by lightning as he was 498 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 5: standing in a doorway and died that way. But he's 499 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 5: the one who invented the taxation with no tax no 500 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 5: taxation with that representation. But that's very important now because 501 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 5: most of us look at it. It's what are we 502 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 5: being taxed for? And we look at what we're what 503 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 5: are we getting back? In terms of the USAID disclosures 504 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 5: certainly showed just a a very minute bit of the 505 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 5: fraud that's going on. We have no idea what we're financing, 506 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 5: but we I do know. I live in one of 507 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 5: the richest counties in the United States, and I you know, 508 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 5: congressmen live here in the US Press Corps. I drive 509 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 5: out in their potholes everywhere. The infrastructure is a joke. 510 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 5: The power grids here, So what exactly are we paying for? 511 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 5: And yet we all have always have money for Ukraine 512 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 5: or Israel or any kind of whatever whatever needs to 513 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 5: be done in that direction, or the you know, the 514 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 5: next congressional pay raise. So so many people are dissatisfied 515 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 5: with that. But that's why it gets to the core. 516 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 5: If you know, if you if this really is a 517 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 5: government by consent, then there's many millions of us, but 518 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 5: we can't succeed. I mean, what would what would happen 519 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 5: if everybody the voted for Donald Trump and then some decided, well, 520 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 5: you know, we're just we're going to form our own country. 521 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 5: I mean, I guess you would have you know, something 522 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 5: that would make the Civil War palel by comparison, because 523 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 5: I don't think they would. They would let us leave peacefully. 524 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: No, I don't think they would either. So why don't 525 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: we change it? Why don't the American people march to 526 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: the polls? All of the House of Representatives can be 527 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: removed every two years. Everybody knows this, but we don't. 528 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 5: Why Well, and that's a good question. And you know, 529 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 5: I've talked about this all the time that Congress has 530 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 5: I think about a five percent approval rate in polls, 531 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 5: and yet the average reelection raised like ninety six percent. So, 532 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know how to explain that. How 533 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 5: do we make that make sense? But I mean, how 534 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 5: does Lindsey Graham or Chuck Schumer or how did Nancy Pelosi? 535 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 5: How did these people possibly get re elected? 536 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. 537 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 5: I mean, I can't conceive of anybody that would would 538 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 5: elect these people. So that's of course where you get people, 539 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 5: and we saw it during twenty twenty with the vote 540 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 5: fraud that was so transparent in twenty twenty, is that 541 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 5: so many people believe that your vote doesn't count, because 542 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 5: either way, it's a terrible prospect to consider. If the 543 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 5: votes count, then you have to say that somehow, especially 544 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 5: on the Republican side, Republicans are re electing these people 545 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 5: for whatever reason. You've had maga candidates and good people 546 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 5: that challenge some of these rhinos and they usually go 547 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 5: down to defeat. And but on the other hand, would 548 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 5: the other possibility is that they're not counting the votes, 549 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 5: in which case it makes no sense to even attempt 550 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 5: to vote. So's it's a good question. This is why 551 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 5: where we are right now in the trumpets administration two 552 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 5: point zero with all the promises made, and we have 553 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 5: people in place there that we should start seeing some changes. 554 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 5: And that's why it's so disappointing when you have somebody 555 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 5: like Cash Betel, who you know, makes a comment like 556 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 5: Epstein killed himself and you know Dan Bongino basically backing 557 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 5: him up, when you know, you get recordings of Dan 558 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 5: Bongino questioning it. That's where people get so jaded and 559 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 5: why people get so cynical, because, Okay, we have people 560 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 5: in here that most people applauded. The RFK Junior is 561 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 5: personal hero of mine. I still don't know for sure 562 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 5: what he's doing. I think he's doing some good things, 563 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 5: but I don't know. I hear from the alt media 564 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 5: the he's not. I really don't know. So we have 565 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 5: to look at what's actually being a cop I said. 566 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 5: I thought doags was a great idea, and it was 567 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 5: wonderful one. But why has it stopped? I mean, they 568 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 5: were supposed to audit the Pentagon, let's audit the CIA, 569 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 5: le's audit the Federal Reserve. Imagine what we'll find there. 570 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 5: But now that Elon Musky is feuding with Trump, that 571 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 5: kind of seems to have been halted, and even the 572 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 5: disclosures from the USA, I d you had millions of 573 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 5: Americans who were upseted. No, don't tell us about the fraud. 574 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 5: I mean I had people that were friends of mine 575 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 5: who have Trump or agent syndrome, and they literally argue 576 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 5: with me that they didn't believe there was fraud in government. 577 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 5: I said, really, this surprises you. You actually thought that 578 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 5: there was no fraud in government and it was a 579 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 5: drop in the bucket. I can't imagine what the Federal 580 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 5: Reserve would show, or the CIA, or the you know, 581 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 5: these bigger agencies, the Pentagon itself. But so I think 582 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 5: that would be a start. But again it's a question 583 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 5: of we have to all be on the same page, 584 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 5: and I don't. I think the problem is that millions 585 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 5: of us disagree with other millions about what the problem is. 586 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 5: I mean, there there are millions of people out there 587 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 5: that that are okay with you know, transgender surgery for 588 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 5: you know, for elementary school students. I cannot possibly reason 589 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 5: with somebody like that. I can't discuss that rationally. And 590 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 5: there's millions more like me. So how do you possibly 591 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 5: live in the same culture with with someone like that? 592 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough. Donald. That was awesome. Appreciate you, sir. 593 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: All right, we're going to talk some more about the 594 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: American Revolution. I promise next, give me liberty or give 595 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 1: me death. Everybody knows that quote. Everybody knows that quote. 596 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 1: Even America haters know that quote. It's got a real, 597 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: uh John Wayne feel to it. So what was it about? 598 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: Why did it last so long? Let's talk to somebody 599 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: who knows a little bit of something about all this stuff. 600 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: William J. Federer, author of a wonderful book called American Minute. William, 601 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: what's that quote? What's that speech all about? What was happening? Yeah? 602 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 6: Well that was Patrick Henry and he gave that to 603 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 6: rally the colonies to declare independence against the King of England. 604 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 6: So the King of England was a globalist. He was 605 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 6: a one world government guy. Matter of fact, the default 606 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 6: setting for human government is gangs and a gang leader 607 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 6: with enough weapons we call a king. And from the 608 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 6: Nimrod Tower of Babbel to Alexander the Great Julius Caesar 609 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 6: until the hunt, the kingdoms keep getting bigger because with 610 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 6: the latest military advancement, kings can kill more people, until finally, 611 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 6: at the time of the Revolution. The King of England 612 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 6: was the most powerful king. The son never sat on 613 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 6: the British Empire. He had India, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, 614 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 6: British Kuyana, Canada, Barbados, Bermuda, Jamaican America, and America's founders 615 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 6: decided they didn't like a globalist king telling us what 616 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,240 Speaker 6: to do, so they broke away and flipped it and made. 617 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: The people the king. 618 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 6: So the colonies had Patrick Henry. He was the five 619 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 6: time governor of Virginia. He was the most popular attorney 620 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 6: in Virginia, and he was rallying the country. He said 621 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 6: that the king is bringing armies of soldiers over here, 622 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 6: and why there's no threat from France or the Dutch 623 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 6: or the Spanish. Why would he be doing it other 624 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 6: than to subjugatus. And he goes on to say that 625 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 6: I can hear the chains clanging to enslave us. And 626 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 6: he was a powerful speaker. His dad was as an Anglican, 627 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 6: but his mom was a Presbyterian, and at the time 628 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 6: the Presbyterians were known as the resistance denomination to the king. 629 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 6: They were mostly from Scotland, and so in Virginia was 630 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 6: a Scottish Presbyterian preacher named Samuel Davies, and Patrick Henry 631 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,919 Speaker 6: credits him with learning how to give speeches and stir 632 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 6: people's hearts, and so matter of fact, whenever they would go, 633 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 6: he'd go with his mom. His mom would have him 634 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 6: recite the speech to him on the carriage on the 635 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 6: way back from the church. So his first law, at 636 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 6: first legal case was the parsons cause. So in Virginia 637 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 6: you had Anglicans, and the Anglicans were paid by the 638 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 6: state actually with tobacco because they were tobacco farmers and 639 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 6: they had a poor cup and they couldn't pay it. 640 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 6: Yet the Anglican ministers still wanted to get paid the same, 641 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 6: so they appealed to the king, and the king said 642 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 6: they get paid the same. And so Patrick Henry is there. 643 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 6: He says, the Bible says you're to take care of 644 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 6: the orphan of the widow, but you're making orphans and 645 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 6: widows by forcing him to sell their family farm to 646 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 6: pay you to you know. And he's like lays into him. 647 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 6: And so they vote to give an award of one 648 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 6: dollar the equivalent to these these Anglican parsons. But they 649 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 6: lifted up Patrick Henry on their shoulders. He was like 650 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 6: a hero too, but that was the first time that 651 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 6: he came out against something the king had done, and 652 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 6: so he was not afraid of speaking out and stirring 653 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 6: up the sentiment. The situation in the colonies was the 654 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 6: seventeen seventy ben Gall famine. The British HEAs India Company 655 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,479 Speaker 6: took over Bengal and they rearranged their economy to grow 656 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,760 Speaker 6: profitable crops, and they didn't realize that they were messing 657 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 6: up the way they had done stuff for centuries. And 658 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 6: when a famine came, ten million people died. There were 659 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 6: streets ten thousand a day were dying of this famine 660 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,280 Speaker 6: and dogs are around with you know, human body parts, 661 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 6: and it was horrible. And so the British East India 662 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 6: companies on the Verrgin bankruptcy. So they appealed to the 663 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 6: King of England for a corporate bailout. Right the government 664 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 6: bailing out corporations. So the King said, okay, you can 665 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 6: tax England with your tea and raise the price of it. 666 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 6: But the people of England didn't want the taxes. So 667 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 6: the King says, okay, you can tax the colonies and 668 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 6: you can cut out the middlemen, and you can go 669 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 6: in there, and we can make sure no other countries 670 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 6: can smuggle stuff into the colonies, and we can take 671 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 6: away the colonies right to have their own currency. And 672 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 6: we're going to have the judges be appointed by the 673 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 6: king rather than locally, so that you won't get justice 674 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 6: if you buck the king. And then we're going to 675 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 6: have the Stamp Act. Every single piece of paper, credit cards, 676 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 6: excuse me, playing cards, and wedding licenses and everything had 677 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 6: to have a king stamp on it. And then Franklin 678 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 6: goes to England. It says there's no way you can 679 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 6: even collect the text. It's a rural country. And then 680 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 6: they passed the rits of Assists. Since this allows the 681 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,280 Speaker 6: government to read everybody's emails. Now they didn't have email 682 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 6: back then, but your letters. The government could rifle through 683 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 6: everybody's letters and read it, and they could confiscate all 684 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 6: your possessions, your farm, just on a suspicion of you 685 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 6: being disloyal to the king. And then they quartered in 686 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 6: your houses, all right, So they left over troops from 687 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 6: the French and Indian War and they would come up 688 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 6: to your house and they would sleep in your beds 689 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 6: and eat in your kitchen, and you'd have. 690 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 3: To live in the attic. 691 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 6: And so one by one they kept tightening the screws 692 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 6: and confiscating ships, and so you had a Boston tea 693 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 6: party and three hundred and forty two chests of tea. Well, 694 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 6: the king didn't like it, so he decided to blockade 695 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 6: Boston's harbor on June first, seventeen seventy five. Means no 696 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 6: business in and out. We're going to grind your economy 697 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 6: to a halt. So Thomas Jefferson is in Virginia and 698 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 6: he writes a day a fasting and prayer, introduces it 699 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 6: in the Virginia legislature to be observed June seventeen seventy four, 700 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 6: the same day that Boston Harbor is being blockaded. George 701 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 6: Washington writes in his diary, went to church fasted all day. 702 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 6: And so the royal governor considers this a veiled threat 703 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 6: to the king, so he disbands their house of burgesses. 704 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 6: The legislators go down the street to Raleigh Tavern. In 705 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 6: the back room, they plot to have a Continental Congress. 706 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 6: And then a couple months later they have the first 707 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 6: Continental Congress, and there from all the different colonies, and 708 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 6: you had Anglicans and Congregationalists and Presbyterians and Baptists and 709 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 6: Lutherans and Dutch Reforms and a one Catholic. And there 710 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 6: was a motion to open with prayer, and they didn't. 711 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 6: One denomination didn't want to hear prayer from another denomination. 712 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 6: But Sam Adams stands up and he says, I'm no bigot. 713 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 6: I can hear a prayer of any man of piety 714 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,760 Speaker 6: who at the same time as the patroot of our country. 715 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 6: So they have the first Continental Congress, and then the 716 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 6: next year they have the second Continental Congress. But that's 717 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 6: when Patrick Henry gives his famous speech, give me liberty, 718 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 6: give me death, okay, Because you had certain ones like 719 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,839 Speaker 6: John Dickinson Olive Branch petition. He's like, oh, let's apologize 720 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 6: to the king one more time. Let's try to patch 721 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 6: it up. And Patrick Henry like, there's no more patching 722 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 6: it up. 723 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: William. It almost seems to hear you lay it out. 724 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: It almost seems as if they wanted a revolution, just 725 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: poking people in the ribs and poking them in the 726 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: ribs and poking them in the ribs. And I understand 727 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: the son never set on the British Empire. But even 728 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: for a king, how could you be that arrogant to 729 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: not see a revolution coming. 730 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 6: Well, he was thirty eight years old, King George the third, 731 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 6: and he had profiia, a blue blood disease where if 732 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 6: you intermarry to keep the royal blood, after a while 733 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 6: you've intermarried too much. And after the revolution, seriously after 734 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 6: the revolution, they put King George the Third in a 735 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,919 Speaker 6: royal insane asylum and he gets out and he's giving 736 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 6: his speech and he says, my lord's in my peacock 737 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 6: because the ladies had the fancy hats with the feathers, 738 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 6: and they realized he still wasn't, so they put him 739 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 6: back in the Royal in sant asylum, and the Duke 740 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,800 Speaker 6: of Windsor took overrun in England in his place, And 741 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 6: so they tried to say that that, you know, it 742 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 6: really got bad after the revolution. But I don't think 743 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 6: he was playing with a full deck of cards the 744 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 6: whole time. But sort of like, you know, God hardened 745 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 6: Pharaoh's heart because he wanted Israel to break away. In 746 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 6: a sense, maybe he was belligerent on purpose because God 747 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 6: wanted America to become free. 748 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: It sounds like the Christian faith played a significant role 749 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: in the revolution, but I don't want to overstate that 750 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 1: did it or was it just something that was alongside 751 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:48,360 Speaker 1: the revolution? 752 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 6: Right, So we have to realize that in Europe it 753 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 6: was Catholic, and then the Reformation in every country had 754 00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 6: its own denomination. Northern Germany and Sweden were Lutheransland Calvin 755 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 6: and Scotland Presbyterian, Holland Dutch Reformed, and they didn't get along, 756 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 6: and so we're chasing people out of each other's countries. Well, 757 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 6: those were the displaced people that spilled over and founded 758 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 6: colonies in America. So every colony was started by a 759 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 6: different Christian denomination. Virginua's Anglican, Massachusetts was Puritan, Rhode Island 760 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 6: was Baptist, Maryland was Catholic, Pennsylvania Quaker, Connecticut and Newmpshire Congregationalists. 761 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,280 Speaker 6: New York Dutch Reform, Delaware and New Jersey were Swedish Lutheran, 762 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 6: and they didn't get along, and they were turre and 763 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 6: feather each other. But then they all had to work 764 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 6: together against the king after the Revolution. Their attitude was 765 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 6: we may not always agree on religion, but you were 766 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 6: willing to fight and die for my freedom. But when 767 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 6: you realize that the same states that sent representatives to 768 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,280 Speaker 6: do the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution in seventeen 769 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 6: seventy six, nine of the states required their representatives to 770 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 6: be Protestant. All you had to do is be a 771 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 6: plain Christian, right, and so Delaware's seventeen seventy six state 772 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 6: constitution said every officeholder had to make a declaration of 773 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 6: belief in God, Jesus Christ's only Son, the Holy Ghost 774 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 6: One God bless her evermore. I mean, that's that was Delaware, 775 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 6: you know. So Ben Franklin signed Pennsylvania's constitution in seventeen 776 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,479 Speaker 6: seventy six, which said every officeholder had to believe in God, 777 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 6: the creator and governor of the universe, the rewarder of 778 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 6: the good, the punisher of the wicked, and acknowledge the 779 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 6: scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given 780 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 6: by divine inspiration. Right, so you not only had to 781 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 6: lay your hand on a Bible, yeah, to where you 782 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 6: believed in the Bible. But these were the states that 783 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 6: sent the representatives to do the Declaration and the Constitution 784 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 6: and the Bill of. 785 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 3: Rights, and so. 786 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 6: One little trivia the continent second Continental Congress does the 787 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 6: Declaration of Independence just two months before that May of 788 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 6: seventeen seventy six, the Continental Congress unanimously passes a day 789 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 6: of fasting and prayer to Almighty God through the merits 790 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 6: and mediation of Jesus Christ, and they give a copy 791 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 6: to Washington, and he orders his troops to observe this 792 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 6: day of fasting and prayer. And then Washington appoints chaplains 793 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 6: to every regiment. And so you look at the revolution. 794 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 6: My wife and I put together a book called Miracles 795 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 6: in American History. The Battle of Brooklyn Heights, the British 796 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 6: find a loyalist to lead ten thousand troops through Jamaica, 797 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,760 Speaker 6: pass in New York and attack George Washington from behind. 798 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 6: On August twenty seventh, seventeen seventy six. Three thousand Americans 799 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 6: are killed, only three hundred British. And then Washington's pinned 800 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 6: up against the water. The sun goes down, and he's 801 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 6: trying to ferry his troops across, but the sun starts 802 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,080 Speaker 6: to come up, and you only move half the troops. 803 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 6: And so his chief of intelligence, Major Ben Talmage, describes 804 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,320 Speaker 6: a fog that settled and blocked it so that you 805 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 6: couldn't see a man at six yards distance. And then 806 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 6: Washington is able to remove all the rest of the troops, 807 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,240 Speaker 6: and then the fog lives and the British charge nobody's there. 808 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 6: I mean, there's miracle after miracle that allowed us to 809 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 6: break away from the most powerful military force in the 810 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 6: world and create a country where we the people are 811 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 6: in charge government from the consent of the governed. 812 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 1: That's wonderful. William, thank you so much for that. I 813 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:47,320 Speaker 1: appreciate you very much. Final thoughts. Thanks. I love this country. 814 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: I know you love this country. Just know this, just 815 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: quick final thought. We are blessed by God to have 816 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 1: this opportunity to live here, to be born here, to 817 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: die here, and I am so grateful for it. And 818 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm grateful for the men who fought the most powerful 819 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,839 Speaker 1: empire on the planet so you and I can live free. 820 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: We'll do it again.