1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hi? Everybody, welcome to Are You a 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Charlotte Today? Fun Fun guest. She is returning the fantastic 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: writer Jenny Viggs. She wrote the incredible episode Frenemies, which 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: aired on October first in the year two thousand. So 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna rewatch with Jenny and hear all of her 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: reminiscing and talk about the process in the writer's room. 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: So enjoy everyone, Thanks for joining us. We're here. We're 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: talking to Jenny Biggs about your Frenemies. 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: Good. We're talking about Frenemies. 11 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: Enemies, which is like such an incredible episode. I'm so 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: thrilled that I have you to talk to about it. 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: I can't believe, Like I was so pleased to rewatch 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: it because I'm really proud of it, like it's amazing, 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: a really good episode. But let's talk about you and 16 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: that I was dying. 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: I did not remember that that was this episode at all. 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 2: I hadn't remembered that either. I was like, yes, girl, 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: you go. 20 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: But also you wrote it, so yes girl, you go. 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: Okay, let's both go. But I did not have to 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: do a scene on camera. 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: Oh, I was panicked, so panicked, so nervous about that 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: scene rastickly, thank you. I am happy. It's one of 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: those ones, thank goodness. And I mean it lives on 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: in memes and whatnot, right, but it is really great 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: within the episode, you know, to see it in its 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: full context, and also watching them in order, and because 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: I couldn't really remember what happened with Trey, I mean 30 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: I vaguely knew, but like seeing every episode again is 31 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: super fascinating because of course, you know, they're so hampered 32 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: by the fact that they won't talk it out. That's 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: like their central problem really is that they aren't open 34 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: to you know, he's really not open to discussing and 35 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: going to therapy and doing all the things you would do. 36 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: So she's got to like, what if I do this? 37 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: What if I do that? And it's not exactly Charlot, 38 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: Charlotte's forte to discuss difficult things. 39 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 2: You know, No, that's she's got a lot of strengths, 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: but that that's. 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: Not totally totally totally, So it's perfect in a way 42 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: to watch them, like it's the perfect conflict that you 43 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: guys created, because of course he is so incredible and 44 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: gorgeous and all of the things, and then who is 45 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: just frustrating to watch so and then I was like, wait, 46 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: is this also I didn't remember that? This is when 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: I am the Samantha of my old you know, sorority group. 48 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: I didn't remember. Friend of Mees is packed with action. 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: Packed with action, packed with theme. Every character has such 50 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: a like I here's why I kind of really love 51 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: it is the real Like we really explore the relationships 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: between the girls, like we put them up against each other, 53 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 2: which is rare, really rare, or part of why we 54 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: use that title. And it's like, wow, they're really having 55 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: to They're they're not messing around, like that coffee shop 56 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: scene where you and Samantha getting and then you know, 57 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: carry Miranda. Some of the best I work by so. 58 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: Great that I worked incredible, incredible guys there. Also, I 59 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: was dying. I wanted to cover my face when I 60 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: was watching it. Who I didn't remember that either. But then, okay, 61 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: so I have so many questions. First of all, where 62 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: did the was frenemies in the cultural lexicon at this 63 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: point or no? 64 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: No, So here's what's interesting. I was trying to figure 65 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: out discern whether we there's a version of this where 66 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: we came up with that word, right, But I don't know. Never. 67 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: What I do remember for sure is when I think 68 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: Darren walked in and said this word and we're like, 69 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: this is a brilliant word. We none of us have 70 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: heard the word before, so we certainly had never heard it. 71 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: So I don't know where it came from, but it 72 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: was not in the universe, right. Ye, it's a great. 73 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: Word, right, it's a great word. 74 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: Part of all of our lexicon. But at the time 75 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: it was a word we'd never heard in the writer's room. 76 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: And so anytime you bring a word like that to 77 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: writers or like yes. 78 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, it's a great, great word. 79 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: It never we had never heard the word amazing. 80 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean, I wonder we'd have to ask 81 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: Darren where he heard it or if you just like 82 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: came up with it. But I mean, it's such a 83 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: good word, you know what it reminds me of. Do 84 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: you remember it would have already happened, I think, or 85 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: maybe it's coming. Do you remember when we say, did 86 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: you google him? 87 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: Right? 88 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: Right? And I don't think it was you know, commonly 89 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: said at that point, I don't know if we coined 90 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: it exactly, but we definitely put it out there, get 91 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: it out there. Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's like 92 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 1: that it might be hard to find the act actual route. 93 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can absolutely promise you that when that 94 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: word was brought up in the writer's room, we were stunt. 95 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: We're like, yeah, brilliant, brilliant word, and it became the 96 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: basis of it. Just it fed so fantastically into the 97 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: stories that we wanted to tell for each of the 98 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: characters at that point and in their journey that season. 99 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Now is this the episode? This is what I remember, 100 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's accurate that when the 101 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: Miranda carry storyline came up where they were kind of, 102 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: you know, hashing out should Miranda date someone that Carrie 103 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: had previously dated and they discuss it very much head on. 104 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: Was that something that HBO had something to say about? 105 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: Do you remember this? 106 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: No? 107 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: Okay, because it's either this episode or when before where 108 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: we kind of cut it, But there was something where 109 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: at some point they were supposed to kind of argue 110 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: about a guy, and Carolyn Strauss, I believe, said, you know, 111 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: we cannot argue about a guy. We can discuss a guy, right, like, 112 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: but they need to be on the same team. 113 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: That's interesting. I wonder it rings more of a bell 114 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: for me when they were fighting about Bryshnikov there sitting 115 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: on the street, that that was a very intense moment 116 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: because we hadn't had them fight, and that that was 117 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: a discussion that we did have with HBO. 118 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: Got it. Maybe that's what I'm thinking of just later 119 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: though that is much later. Yeah. Interesting. 120 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: So I don't remember having that specific discussion, but I 121 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 2: know that we often were aware that we didn't want 122 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: we did not want this to be a show about 123 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: I want this guy to want this guy, you know, right, No, 124 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: you know there was no show about cock blocking, no, 125 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: or whatever the opposite. 126 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know what the proper term is. 127 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 128 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: I totally know what you mean, but I mean, and 129 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I think that was an important thing because we are 130 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: dealing with relationships, and anytime a show's dealing with the relationships, 131 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: you can kind of slide into the soap operatness of it, 132 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: and we didn't. We didn't want that, and we wanted 133 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: the women to be, even if they might disagree, united 134 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: in terms of we're on each other's side. We're never 135 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: going to fight over a guy, meaning who gets the 136 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: guy right. 137 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: We can have a pinion about whether a guy and 138 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: certainly we had those fights all the time about big right, 139 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: and there were some of the characters who were pro 140 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: big and some that weren't, and some that were pro 141 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: at certain times. Whatever, right, right, right right, We're ever 142 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: going to be I want this guy right. 143 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: Thank goodness, thank goodness. I mean it's funny too, like 144 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: this is one of those episodes where if you had 145 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: said to me, frenemies, I would have thought I remembered 146 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: the whole thing, but I never would have placed these 147 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: different scenes together all in one episode. It's so many 148 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: important scenes and all of us the worries. 149 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: It's interesting. When I was rewatching it, I was reminded 150 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: that Carrie's main storyline, which is that she's going to 151 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: do the talk to the single women and how that 152 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 2: goes and are we getting older and wiser or just older, 153 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: is quite different than the Frenemi's theme that we're dealing 154 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: with throughout the rest of the episode. So true, but 155 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: sometimes we would be able to do that, which makes 156 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: it more fun. Like you launch a story where you 157 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: have Miranda you know, they're trying to figure out where 158 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: this guy is and turns out he's dead, which is 159 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: crazy and funny and bizarre, but it becomes about her 160 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: being a single one, Carrie being a single woman, and 161 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: trying to explain that at the same time that we're 162 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 2: dealing with, you know, her Miranda not knowing where her 163 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: date is and what is it like to get older 164 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: and not know how to deal with being stood up? 165 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: Which is really where that storyline started from, because we were 166 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: talking in the room about like how different ways that 167 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: people get stood up. And I do remember Cindy Shuepack 168 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: was telling this story and I don't mean to take 169 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: her story, but I give her all of this crazy 170 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: New York stories about how she was waiting for her 171 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: date to come pick her up in a New York 172 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: apartment building with a doorman, and the doorman rang up 173 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: to say like, oh, your date's you know, coming to 174 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: pick you up. And the doorman called up and said, 175 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: your date's not coming up. She said, oh, I'll come down, 176 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: and she said no, he said, no, your date's not 177 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: ever coming up. I had used the doorman to stand 178 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: Cyndy up, Oh my god, which was fantastic. And by 179 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: the way, this was what was great about writing on 180 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: a show like this when we were single, which is 181 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 2: what a shitty story, but it becomes like a great 182 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: jumping as. 183 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: Incredible but also like what was going on with that 184 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: man then he thought I'm going to go to her 185 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: address and have a conversation with the doorman. Really odd, really. 186 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: Also I remember this was before cell phones were like 187 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 2: a really big thing. Right. Also, rewatching this episode is 188 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: the first time and only time, so Miranda says when 189 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: she meets the apshole, right, here's or no, I'm sorry 190 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 2: she has she she says to someone, my cell phone 191 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: numbers on the back of my card. 192 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: It's the guy. Yeah, it's the guy. Yeah at the wake, right, 193 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: so she has a cell phone, like what I know, 194 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: but we've never seen it. Oh my god, I didn't 195 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: even think of that. And she's also so giggly and 196 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: kind of like weirdly needy. We're just like, that's my 197 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: cell phone and my email and like such a funny moment, 198 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: such a phone. 199 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: Because she's been stood up. 200 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: Guy. 201 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: But what we determined in that room discussion was the 202 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: only time it would be okay to be stood up 203 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: that way would be if your date literally had died. 204 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: I mean yes, and that became the story of. 205 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: Which I love so much. But when they're walking up 206 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: and Carrie says, it's an open casket, I've never seen 207 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: his dead body. I mean there's like there's there's so 208 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: much subtext and like death and darkness and I it 209 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: was deep. It was deep. 210 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: And it's also about rebirth. I mean it's about you know, 211 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: Shakespeare called the orgasm the little death, you know. And 212 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: we are to assume that Charlotte achieved what she wanted. 213 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, come on in a minute and a half 214 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: or when when she's trying to entice him, I don't. 215 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: I don't think she did any. 216 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: Conversation with Samantha. Samantha at the very end, you can 217 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: see she's like, she says, did you did you come? 218 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: It's true, you know, I giggle. 219 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: She got was positive? 220 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: Really? I mean, look, I think it's a huge accomplishment 221 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: because at this point, the fact that it is ongoingly 222 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: not happening for them is horrible awful. I didn't really 223 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: remember this, I I don't. I mean, obviously I was 224 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: trying to do it well in every but like I 225 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: also just don't have a ton of experience with this, 226 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: and certainly I've never been married, right, so like that's 227 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: the next level. And I've never been so focused on 228 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: getting married like Charlotte was, and like obviously really gonna try. 229 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: But then on the other hand, that man won't talk 230 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: at all, like, oh my gosh. 231 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: And he talked in I had a good time writing 232 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: the because I grew up sailing, and so I had 233 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: a good time writing all of the metaphors that he 234 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: had for sailing as it applies to sex. 235 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: Yes, he enjoys that. Also, I think Kyle he gets 236 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: a twinkle in his eye when he has them two. 237 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 2: We're so adorable as a couple, Like that's kind of 238 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 2: I was reminded of. And that was part of the problem, right, 239 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: is that Charlotte saw them as this perfect cup. They 240 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: looked like the perfect couple. They appeared in essence to 241 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: be right for each other. But in the basic point in. 242 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: The bedroom, no, which is awful, he. 243 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: Would not talk about it. And so for her to 244 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: get up there and really say what she says to him, 245 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 2: the physicality aside, like that's a really big deal for Charlotte. 246 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: To he Oh, I agree, I agree, And I was 247 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: very scared, like scared and stressed, and I remember being 248 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: so stressed about what I was going to wear, and 249 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: I'd forgotten about the scene that I'm shopping with Carrie 250 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: at like kind of Attacky's shop and I'm holding up 251 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: those crazy things and she's trying to make jokes about it, 252 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, but obviously I'm quite tense, you know, about 253 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: the whole thing, and I'm trying to say, no, this 254 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: is important. I have to show him that I'm not 255 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: the Madonna. And then she's like, but you don't want 256 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: to be the hard you know, she's making jokes, but 257 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: like it's it's so serious for Charlotte. 258 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: Oh, it's hugely so she's trying so hard. And I 259 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 2: like also that we didn't shy away from the fact 260 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: that it wasn't just that she felt rejected by Trey, 261 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: but also that she was a sexual human being, so 262 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: that absolutely he deserved to have pleasure and she deserved 263 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: to have that attention. So that's a whole other level 264 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 2: of story about a couple who's not getting it on. Yes, 265 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: I'm annoyed by this. It's like I feel sexually rejected 266 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 2: and I deserve and I want more. Absolutely, absolutely it's 267 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 2: kind of a watershed moment for her. 268 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: Oh it's incredible. It's incredible, and I mean I was 269 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: so happy to see it again in the whole episode. 270 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, I also have so much else that 271 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: is going on, like I go to the brunch with 272 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: the sorority girls because I fought with Smith, Like I 273 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: didn't remember that this was literally one episode. It is 274 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: amazing how much you guys could do in one episode. 275 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: Totally forgot about the sorority sisters, like honestly, and I 276 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: wrote it and I forgot it. 277 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: The thing I love about it, I love so many things. 278 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: But do you know the brand Jacques Mousse? Yes, so Simon, 279 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: who is that? Someone who is the designer asked me 280 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: to do this little video for his fashion show, I 281 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: guess a year ago, year and a half ago, and 282 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: the scene with the sorority girls, the outfit was the 283 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: inspiration for this whole video and they had a picture 284 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: of me. They wanted me to wear a tiny tank top. 285 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: This is, of course, twenty five years later, a tiny 286 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: tank top with a sweater folded just perfectly. They had 287 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: a picture and we had to call them on the 288 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: FaceTime in France to make sure that we had folded 289 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: it correctly. It was like to the detail, and he 290 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: made a sweater and embroidered my invitation on it that 291 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: I opened in the in the video, and it was 292 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: all inspired by that one outfit in that one scene 293 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: in your episode would amazing. 294 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: I have never heard that, and that is crazy and 295 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: fantastic exactly. 296 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: And also I was like, I'm sorry, can I please 297 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: have my arms covering me in this twenty five years 298 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: like I can't live up to this. I also remember 299 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: filming that scene because we see them together and you've 300 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: set it up so brilliantly from the coffee shop with 301 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: all of us where Samantha and I fight, which you know, 302 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: I hadn't really remembered that, and when I watched it, 303 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: I was concerned that I did it, and do it 304 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: well enough, like deep enough. I don't know. I was worried. 305 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: The whole thing made me nervous watching it. 306 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: You know that's so interesting because you know, obviously we 307 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: each look at our old material in different ways and 308 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: in the ways that we came into the material, right, 309 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: So you're looking at it as the actor thinking did 310 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: I portray this? I'm looking at this writer thinking why 311 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: did I need that extra joke. We didn't need that much. 312 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: Why did? Why didn't we cut that? But I don't. 313 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: I feel like you did a terrific job. You were 314 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: threading so many needles in this. 315 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: It's true, it's true that that part did I did. Really. 316 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, you did well. 317 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: You gave yourself some silent Yeah. 318 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: Totally totally. And I'm very very happy with the with 319 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: the tray scene, right, which I had remembered being happy 320 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: with it, but now I see it in so many 321 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: tiny splits, you know, tiny memes that I hadn't seen 322 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: the whole thing, and I was like, no, no, it's 323 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: really good. It's really good. Of course, course because he's 324 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: also really really good with He has very little to say, 325 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: but we're just so connected that that's kind of the 326 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: good on the bat of it, right. All right, So 327 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: my Hyundai hot take from this episode called Frenemies. I'm 328 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: gonna have to go with Charlotte's storyline, partly because I'd 329 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: forgotten about how many different things Charlotte gets to do 330 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: and say and feel in this episode, between seeing her 331 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: sorority sisters, trying to show her husband Trey that she's 332 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: a sexual being which was just such a beautifully written scene, 333 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: and then fighting with Samantha and then making up with Samantha. 334 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: I've forgotten most of this except for the trey, which 335 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: I do love. It is embarrassing, but I do love it. 336 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm gonna have to say Charlotte's overall storyline, 337 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: I love it. I love what they wrote, and it 338 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: was really fun to watch it. That was my Hyundai 339 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: hot take, celebrating iconic moments, bold moves, and unforgettable style, 340 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: just like Hyundai. So I have the scene with there's 341 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it's a lot for Charlotte, you know, 342 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: even like eh, but fighting with Samantha always scary, you 343 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like any of us disagreeing about anything, 344 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: to me was always scary, but it had been coming 345 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: right because she does have just the opposite point of 346 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: view about sex then Charlotte, which has been true since 347 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: day one, and now that Charlotte is married and it's 348 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 1: not working out, of course, it brings up all of 349 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: her deeper things about the meaning of sex and the 350 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: meaning of all of it, which is really what she says, like, 351 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: don't talk about it like that way. And I think that, 352 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's so fantastic that then you have me 353 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: go off into like my past to see the sorority sisters, 354 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: thinking I'm going to feel comfort, but in what I 355 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: feel is discomfort because I'm now the Samantha and they're 356 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: now very like shut down to honest conversation about sex. 357 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: So then I become kind of like I act out. 358 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: And I remember filming that because I had to be 359 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: slightly drunk, so I was always nervous about that. And 360 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: I remember the reason that I put the money in 361 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: the glass is because I had to storm off and 362 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: then like say something over my shoulder and I would 363 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: throw the money and I threw the money one time 364 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: and it landed, and then yeah, remember this. 365 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: It was the perfect I mean, couldn't have been better. 366 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: It was so good scripted it, we wouldn't have been 367 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: able to do. 368 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: It, but I know it's so good. It was so good. 369 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: So I enjoyed that scene a lot, but I did 370 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: not realize it was all in one thing. And I 371 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: think traditionally what we would have had would be Charlotte 372 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: like a pressure cooker, right, like she's not expressing your feeling, 373 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: not expressing your feeling and then there would have been 374 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: like a type of a thing, you know, But instead 375 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: we have the Kyle scene and then she calls Samantha, 376 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: which is so nice. 377 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 2: It's so nice, and I think, I think what we 378 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: did so well, if I might say so myself, yes, 379 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,479 Speaker 2: is we took each of these because Samantha has that 380 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: same journey, right, So she's sexual with this guy and 381 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: she's waking them all the time and who cares, it's 382 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 2: just for fun. But then she meets kind of her 383 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: doppelganger and it turns out that she's more Charlotte than 384 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: she thought, so she she also we pushed the boundaries 385 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: of these women so that they can recognize that they 386 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: have more in common than they think. And I think 387 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: that's what happens. Like you make friends in your thirties, 388 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 2: if you're lucky, your forties, your fifties, whatever, and you 389 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: know they're not one hundred percent of who you are, 390 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: but they represent a part of who you are, and 391 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: in this case, getting Samantha and Charlotte to recognize that 392 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: they that they have more in common than they think, 393 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: and that there are boundaries that they're old selves maybe 394 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: don't want to go to. And that's been because they're 395 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: impacted by this other person who's you know, they could 396 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 2: not be more opposite, but they're really sharing a lot 397 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: more than they realized. And absolutely such a cool thing 398 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: to look at with friendships. And it was fun. I 399 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 2: mean that, you know, that blowjob scene is so kind 400 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 2: of crazy and like over the top, and the table 401 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: going up and down restaurant is really noticing. 402 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a lot. That was a lot, but 403 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: you have to go a lot to Samantha, Samantha. 404 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: You have to. And even Samantha says, Okay, that's more 405 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 2: than I can handle. And so that's her moment where 406 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 2: a little bit of Charlotte has gotten into her. And 407 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: as I'm sure we've you've talked about on this podcast, 408 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: but we've talked about all the time, is kind of 409 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: you know, how much of you as Charlotte, how much 410 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: of you as Samantha. Each person has different levels of 411 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 2: who they which character they are, case they both have 412 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: parts of each other in them and absolutely really sweet. 413 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: I think it's so it was so so sweet and 414 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: also so I think people forget about that because people 415 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: still say to me like, would you and you know, 416 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: Charlotte and Samantha would ever be friends. I'm like, sure 417 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: they would. You can't just be friends with people like 418 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: yourselves exactly or whatever. It's boring. 419 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 2: Like what you grow up and you a different of 420 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 2: your life. You collect people who are more like what 421 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: you need at that time in your life. And I 422 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 2: think this is exactly who Charlotte needed, yes in them, like, 423 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 2: because look, Carrie was hiding behind her menu. You know 424 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: she's definitely straight ahead sex talk, right. You needed to 425 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 2: hear from Samantha the hard truth, and you know it 426 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 2: is hard. It's hard when the girls fight. 427 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: It is it's scary when the girls fight. But I 428 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: think that's also it makes the relationship so much more 429 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: real because there are conflicts. If you stay in those relationships, 430 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: there's going to be conflicts and then you're going to 431 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: get over it. Let's talk about Carrie and Miranda because 432 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: also they fight more than I realize when I'm rewatching 433 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: right and fights the wrong word. They disagree more than 434 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: I realize, and they'll have weird like in the first season, 435 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: is it the first season or the second where Carrie 436 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: stands her up, you know, stands Miranda up for big 437 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: and then and then she calls someone and you think 438 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: she's calling Big, but she calls Miranda and you go 439 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: and she's sitting there and they make up and it's 440 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: so sweet, Like there's so right. There's so many like 441 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: kind of ups and downs and hills, and you know, 442 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: they're walking. Talks are always so fascinating. I love their 443 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: relationship more than I even ever realized that I love 444 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: their relationship, and I love the complexities of it, you know, 445 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: and that they really like Miranda tells it like it 446 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: is to Carrie more so than anyone else, you know, 447 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: which I love so much. And I love this one 448 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: because I don't remember another time where Carrie is like 449 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Carrie has dated the guy before eight 450 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 1: years ago, and now they meet him at the wake 451 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: and Miranda is feeling all rejected because she was stood 452 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: up by the dead guy. I mean, it's so much. 453 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: It's it's so much to even retell. It's a lot, 454 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: it is. It's incredible, like and so it go, it 455 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: moves so quick, like you guys just did such a 456 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: tremendous job, as you know. But then and Carrie's like, no, no, 457 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: don't go out with him, like it's so rare for 458 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: her to even like it's a very rare thing. Usually 459 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: she's like yeah, you know, you know, see what it 460 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: is or whatever, you know what I'm saying. She's usually 461 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: more kind of casual, happy, go lucky or whatever about it. 462 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: But since she's gone out with this guy and he 463 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: was mean to her, like belittling, as we see later, 464 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: like a very kind of like belittling, you know, misogynistic. Yeah, 465 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: call exactly, but it's super fascinating. Then I just love 466 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: the scene where they find so Miranda likes him because 467 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: of course she's just wanting to feel, you know, good 468 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: and whatnot. And they go out and she talks Carrie 469 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: into going for drinks, and they go for drinks, and 470 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: then of course it doesn't take much for that asshole 471 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: to come out. And then right away, like maybe the 472 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: third comments like, well, you know, Carrie's not at what 473 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: does he say she is? It was something that she was. 474 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: Oh god, I I just rewatched her. 475 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: We just rewatched it, and I can't remember now. But 476 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: it's so well written because there Miranda is trying to 477 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: make the best of it right, and Carrie's like trying 478 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: to reserve judgment, like I'm just gonna sit here, and 479 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: he starts out okay. Like there's a couple little things like, oh, 480 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: she loves her shoes, you know, and oh, Miranda says, 481 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: did you go see his band? And she's like, no, 482 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: I never did. And he goes, well, she was too 483 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: busy buying shoes. That's the first little dig, right, And 484 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: she goes, oh, I do I love my shoes and 485 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: you could just see her like what is he doing? 486 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: And then he just keeps going. And then Marna's like, 487 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: well you are so and I just love when they're 488 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: back together, you know what I'm saying. 489 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they it doesn't take much, it doesn't. 490 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: No, no, and that was good. That's as it should. 491 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 2: Be, as it should be. Yeah, she had to have 492 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 2: that little journey. She had to have the moment of it. 493 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: And by the way, that's the thing with these kind 494 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: of vessels. And this guy was kind of based on 495 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: a guy that I had dated. I was wondering who 496 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: was an a told and continues kind of to be 497 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: an actult. Those guys can be very charming. And so 498 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: she goes on a day with him and it's a 499 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: lovely date, like they close the bar, you know, he 500 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: kisses her good night. It's romantic. The whole thing, and 501 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: she's like, you know, as an audience, you're thinking, maybe 502 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: the guy has changed, like yeah, great, right, but Carrie 503 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: knows better, or at least in this case, she knew better. 504 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: And and I think what's good too, is that you 505 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: think maybe for a second, oh, she doesn't want her 506 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 2: to date him because she dated him, and you realize, no, no, no, 507 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 2: she was right. He's just an adult because people absolutely 508 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 2: certain people like that don't change. 509 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: Like agree, He's very recognizable to me. 510 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: We've all had one or two of these people in 511 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: our life. Hopefully people are no longer in our lives 512 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: like that, but most definitely. Yeah, but that is a type. 513 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: And it's certainly a guy that he uses his charm, 514 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: you know. It's farm offensive, yes, and it's just offensive, 515 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: which by that would have been a line we would 516 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: have written in this episode. 517 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: So good, So good? Can you take me through? I 518 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever asked you. I've had Cindy on, 519 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: I've had Michael on. I don't think I ever asked like, 520 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: I would love to just give everyone in myself too. 521 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: Sometimes I wonder in the past a breakdown of how 522 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: it went for the process of you, like, how did 523 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: you get assigned which episodes within the season and how 524 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: much advance did you know, like, oh, okay, I'm running 525 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: that one and this is the theme or you know, 526 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: breaking the stories, how what's the process like or what 527 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: was it like for sext and City. 528 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: So it pretty much stayed this same season a season, 529 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 2: even as we got one or two more writers. But 530 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: what we would do is we would talk at the 531 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: bigning of the season about what we really wanted the 532 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: arcs of each of these characters to be. So we 533 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: knew where we were starting them and we knew where 534 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: we were ending them. Things could change within that, but 535 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: we knew, you know, Charlotte was going to go from 536 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: here to here, so by the end of the season, 537 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: we want X to have happened. And then we would 538 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 2: start to break down within it. We would talk about 539 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: ideas and kind of themes that were important to touch 540 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: on for each character, and then it would depend on 541 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 2: the episode. So sometimes someone walk in which just a 542 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 2: great story, like like, for instance, a woman's right to shoes. Okay, 543 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: so I went to a party, I had to take 544 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 2: my shoes off and it really was upsetting to me 545 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: and it got me thinking about what would happen if 546 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: someone took my shoes because also when you're a small person, 547 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: your shoes are very important part of your outfit. And 548 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 2: I wish I had known I was gonna take my 549 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: shoes off, I would have worn something different. Okay, but 550 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: that when sometimes you walk in with something like that, 551 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: you go, that's a great thing to have happened. How 552 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: can we use that to tell a story we want 553 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: to tell, which case was Carrie and her choice to 554 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: be single and to spend her money how she wants 555 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 2: to write. Yeah, so it became a bigger episode around that. 556 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: And in that case, because I came up with it 557 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: was my idea, I will write that episode. Sometimes it 558 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: has to do with order of you know, we would 559 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: kind of start with sometimes with seniority, you know, Michael, 560 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: my first episode, I would write the second episode, and 561 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: then sometimes there'd be an episode that you just knew 562 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: a person had to write. Cindy had done her crazy 563 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 2: trampoline not trampoline. 564 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, high wire what was it called? 565 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, she'd not on the Hudson River, and 566 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: so she wanted to write about that, you know, about 567 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: taking chances and putting yourself up in the air. Figuratively, 568 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 2: and so sometimes it would be the thing that you 569 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: knew that this person had to write because the thing 570 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: that they really cared about thematically or it, or sometimes 571 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: it was hey, it's your turn to write an episode. 572 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: But nobody would ever write an episode they didn't feel 573 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: really attached to. No important to us that people write 574 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: what they what they could feel. Right, when Miranda buys 575 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: her house, I wrote that because I had bought my 576 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: house and had gone through the exact same things. 577 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: Such a good one. 578 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: I love that episode. Still so great, So thrilling too 579 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: that women now single women now outrank single men. I'm 580 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: buying houses no way. Twenty five years later, now the 581 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 2: little women are buying more houses more than men. Incredible, incredible, 582 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 2: And then you think about what Miranda went through to 583 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: which is what I went through. She had keep checking 584 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: the boxes as single women and single woman. 585 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: Yes, this is my life. I know all about it. 586 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: So it's just it's still happening. But we are we 587 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: have outpaced men, not of pay. So that's a long 588 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: description of kind of how how it works. Sometimes we 589 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: will will break a lot of the episode in the room. 590 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: We'll go through it and outline it and talk about what, 591 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: because you also want to make sure that each of 592 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: these characters are hitting certain points in each episode that 593 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: they need to hit right. So it might be that 594 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: the episode is primarily about Charlotte not having sex with 595 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 2: her husband and what that means, But how does that 596 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: fit in with our other characters and stories we need 597 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 2: to tell for them at the same time, And then 598 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: we takes a place of fun theme on top. And 599 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 2: also the question right, Yeah, it was interesting because the 600 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: question doesn't necessarily apply as specifically as some sometimes it does. 601 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: Because the question was are we getting older and wiser 602 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: or just just older? Right? 603 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: A really good question which applies. 604 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, in a subliminal way to 605 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: like friendships and learning what you have to do in 606 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: a relationship. But it was really more about applied literally 607 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 2: to Carrie giving that speech to these women and them 608 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: saying like, well, you're still single and you're oh my god, yes, 609 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 2: Like what do you have to teach us? I know 610 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: you don't seem any wiser, oh god, seem older and single. 611 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: That was scary too. There was the whole episode. There 612 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: were so many times where I was like, oh, you know. 613 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: I know, and I'm sure you noticed that Sarah Jessica's 614 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 2: stand in was in the scene. 615 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: That's who it was. I was trying to figure that out. 616 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,959 Speaker 2: And she asked a question. We had to give our 617 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: stand ins were terrific a chance to do on camera work, 618 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 2: and that was a case where she she got to 619 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: ask a question. 620 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: That's so nice. So wait, let's go back to the 621 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: writer's room. Okay, So when when you so you would 622 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: get like you might know at the beginning of the season, 623 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: like just have it marked out, I'll do episode number four, 624 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: episode number eight or whatever, like theoretically, and you would 625 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: know the arcs as you said, which also we were 626 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: so wonderfully shared you know that information at the beginning, 627 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: and as you said, sometimes it would change. But Michael Patrick, 628 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: would you know, sit us down and say, like, this 629 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: is the plan just so that we could also kind 630 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: of try to, you know, plan it out in our 631 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: mind somewhat, and then sometimes when you got the scripted 632 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: would be different or you know, interesting new twist or whatever. 633 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: But then in terms of writing, so if you're in 634 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: the room with everyone, would you do a rough draft 635 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: and then take it in the room for them to read, 636 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: like how did that part work? 637 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: You would go away for all are part of a 638 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: couple of days. Usually, you know, some episodes famously we 639 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: wrote had to write very quickly because we just didn't 640 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: have as much time. Splatt was one of those where 641 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: Cindy and I wrote it together and we wrote it 642 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 2: in five days, oh which but we loved every minute 643 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: of it because it was fun to write it together 644 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 2: and also we knew exactly what we wanted to do. 645 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: But yes, you go away from the room, you tippy 646 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 2: type at home. This is how we tippy type. It's 647 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 2: just like a pterodactyl. Love it and then you bring 648 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: it back in and the room will read it and 649 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: give thoughts, and then you'll go away again, and then 650 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 2: it would go to HBO. But you know the thing, 651 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 2: It's funny now looking back, we got very few notes 652 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 2: from HBO. They were hosingly supportive, and I wish the 653 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 2: world were set up the same way to tase writers 654 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 2: a bit more to know what they're doing. There's a 655 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: lot of second guessing that happens, and so people end 656 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: up giving I think a little more notes than they 657 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 2: need to. 658 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: I agree from what I know, and I'm not a writer, right, 659 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 1: but I feel like because of the way that HBO 660 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: was structured with Chris and Carolyn. Really there weren't that 661 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: many people, and Carolyn had the good sense to just 662 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: hire the right writers and let you guys do your thing, 663 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: which is just so rare. 664 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 2: You know, you don't really don't find it anymore. 665 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: You really don't. And I talked to her. I had 666 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: lunch with her last week because we did the event 667 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: for Sir Juskain. It was so nice to see her, 668 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: and we talked a little bit about like just the 669 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, fear in the industry, you know, and fear 670 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: just breeds everybody being so nervous and like overthinking everything, 671 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: and it's hard to create or have these kind of 672 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: breakout hits like how we were and heated rivalry. Heated 673 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: rivalry because they went to Canada where they had no budget, 674 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: but they got to do what they wanted. And then 675 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: luckily Casey was like, yes, oh, by that good call 676 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: on Casey's part, right, but you know, it probably wouldn't 677 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: have gotten made in the way that it did if 678 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: it were here with all the different tinkering. 679 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I also I am I'm so respectful 680 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 2: of the fact that there are a lot of executives 681 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,280 Speaker 2: scared for their jobs and things. Of course, the time 682 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 2: and things are certainly not the way they were. Is 683 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: this sense like I need to show my worth, but 684 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: it has kind of beaten down the creative process. And 685 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 2: it was such nirvana to be I mean, in so 686 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 2: many ways to be in the room we were in, 687 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 2: to be working with the actors we were working with, 688 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 2: to be telling the stories we were telling, but to 689 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: be left alone to do that, it was really it 690 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 2: made the show better. 691 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: It just is absolutely absolutely. 692 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 2: When Carolyn did have notes, they were really smart, right, 693 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 2: and they were never about I'm scared to do something right, 694 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: like do we want to do that? Okay, tell me why? Right? 695 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: Right? Right? That sounds just like her. Yeah, that's good. 696 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 1: That's really good. You guys, this is so much fun 697 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: that we're going to have to have a part two, 698 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: So join us later in the week on Are You 699 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: a Charlotte