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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called New Ditties,

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Speaker 1: the ultra lux Realty Brothers their sex trafficking case raging

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Speaker 1: on This is tonight.

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Speaker 2: Disgusting text on a group chat.

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Speaker 1: With them revealed. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Luxury real estate brothers plead guilty in a federal sex

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Speaker 3: trafficking case.

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Speaker 2: In the last hours.

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Speaker 1: There's only one word for it that I can say

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Speaker 1: on air. Disgusting texts have emerged between the so called

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Speaker 1: real estate Bros the New Didties because their cases mirror

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Speaker 1: almost exactly the sex trafficking charges and allegations of the

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Speaker 1: Sean Combe's case. These texts are shocking and if these

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Speaker 1: texts come into court during the real estate bros sex

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Speaker 1: trafficking case, they better look fast for a plea deal.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to one of.

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Speaker 4: Them going to start collecting for the pot to fly down.

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Speaker 4: There should be a fee per bank and after bank

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Speaker 4: starting to collect venmo for girls' flights.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what's the lineup? Need to pick winners?

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Speaker 4: Lol, It's going to be hard to get girls up

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Speaker 4: to your standard. Just warn him your boys are hungry

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Speaker 4: girls look fresh.

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Speaker 2: I think we should all bring chicks.

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Speaker 5: And not rely only on promoter since we never met

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Speaker 5: the girls.

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Speaker 4: We need fun girls with good attitude. I'm sure we

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Speaker 4: all met many recently this summer.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is the Alexander Brothers, the Real Estate Bros.

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Speaker 1: The New Diddies group text They don't even have enough

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Speaker 1: shame to text discussing texts between themselves. It's a group

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Speaker 1: going to start collecting for the pot to fly bitches down. Okay,

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Speaker 1: right there, guilty, there should be a fee per bang

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Speaker 1: and after bang. I guess that's referring to sex act

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Speaker 1: starting to collect venmo for girls' flights. Oh yeah, what's

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Speaker 1: the lineup? Need to pick winners? Warn him? Your boys

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Speaker 1: are hungry. The girls look fresh. We need fun girls

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Speaker 1: with good attitude. I've got so much more to tell you,

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Speaker 1: but right now, let's go straight out to our shrink.

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Speaker 1: Joining us or now it's Psychoanalyst out of the LA

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Speaker 1: Jurisdiction who is deep, deep into the seawan Combe's investigation

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Speaker 1: regarding sex trafficking. Joining us tonight. Psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com and

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Speaker 1: see her on.

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Speaker 2: Peacock, doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 1: Okay, whoever read those texts to start with beeped out

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Speaker 1: the word bitches. Well, the jury is going to see

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Speaker 1: that and everything else it goes on. I don't want

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Speaker 1: anyone being upset if they don't run a ten man train,

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, You do know what running a train is, right,

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Speaker 1: one train car after the next. Okay, and they all

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Speaker 1: go by a train. When a victim pulls a train,

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Speaker 1: she has multiple sex attackers. When a purp runs a train,

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Speaker 1: he's coming from the purpse point of view.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you understand now, Nancy?

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Speaker 6: I fully understand that this is gang rape. That these

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Speaker 6: men fit the profile of what we would call anger rapists,

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Speaker 6: meaning they're usually using a sex act for a non

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Speaker 6: sexual purpose to have power and to make the women

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Speaker 6: feel degraded and frightened. That's why they don't want the

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Speaker 6: women on ecstasy, Nancy. When the victim takes ecstasy, it

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Speaker 6: produces feel good feelings. They do not want their victims

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Speaker 6: are not engaging in mutual intimate sex acts. This is

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Speaker 6: violence against women and what we would call gender based violence,

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Speaker 6: not just because the women are women, but because they

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Speaker 6: represent a swath of society that these men have hatred towards.

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Speaker 6: So this rape, they're going to put them on drugs

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Speaker 6: like cocaine that produce excessive amounts of energy, but do

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Speaker 6: not produce the kind of good feelings that would make

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Speaker 6: them responsive. In fact, in the complaint, there was one

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Speaker 6: victim who began to pretend that she was having pleasure

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Speaker 6: when she was being raped because she has read somewhere

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Speaker 6: that this would deter the rapist, and it did. The

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Speaker 1: These texts are emerging and will be states Exhibit number one.

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Speaker 1: Of course you have to go through. Okay, these two

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Speaker 1: pulling a train, I mean, and speaking about women as bitches,

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Speaker 1: flying them down, collecting Venmo for the quote girls' flights.

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Speaker 2: You know, two special guests joining us.

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Speaker 1: In addition to doctor Bethany Marshall, Lynshaw is with us

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Speaker 1: founder Director Lynn's Warriors, a nonprofit set up to fight

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Speaker 1: sex trafficking and sexual exploitation. Lynn, you know, I prosecuted

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Speaker 1: a lot of thugs that were John's pimps, and drugging

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Speaker 1: the women is nothing new. But now because we've got

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Speaker 1: two millionaires from a multi millionaire family, it's a whole

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Speaker 1: nother thing. That's what they're talking about, drugging the women

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Speaker 1: and who's going to be in charge of flying the

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Speaker 1: We want a good return on investment. We want fun

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Speaker 1: girls with good attitude. I guess that means that won't

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Speaker 1: complain after they're raped. Referring to them as bitches pulling trains.

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Speaker 2: Japan Land. Drugging victims is nothing new.

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Speaker 7: You know what I don't like about this, Nancy. We're celebritizing,

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Speaker 7: if that's a word, this case because it's power, and

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Speaker 7: it's money, and it's Hollywood, it's Miami, it's all that

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Speaker 7: put together with these dirty ditty wannabes, right, these crime bros.

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Speaker 7: Every day we have cases like this, maybe not to

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Speaker 7: this extent, but we have so many cases that are overlooked,

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Speaker 7: or we don't have the man or woman power to prosecute,

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Speaker 7: or if we don't have the video evidence everything, we

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Speaker 7: call them, we can call them bitches, and let's call

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Speaker 7: it what it is the reality. Unless we have video

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Speaker 7: evidence and these text messages in court to hold them responsible,

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Speaker 7: we will not get anywhere with this case.

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Speaker 1: It's joining me right now, veteran trial way. You're Greg

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Speaker 1: Morse out of the Florida jurisdiction where the real estate Bros.

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Speaker 2: Practice.

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Speaker 1: He's a partner at King Morse and author of the

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Speaker 1: Untested on Amazon.

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Speaker 2: Greg, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of evidentiary hurdles that have to

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Speaker 1: be cleared by the state before texts like.

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Speaker 2: These can be brought in.

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Speaker 1: They must be authenticated, explain and a nutshell. I'm not

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Speaker 1: looking for a legal treatise here. We're playing ping pong,

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Speaker 1: not chess.

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Speaker 8: Greg, Sure, well, these texts are going to come in

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Speaker 8: their statements of the defendants and the texts themselves when

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Speaker 8: you use the word bitches running a train. While these

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Speaker 8: may be offensive to normal people, you know, these cases

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Speaker 8: can become challenging because a lot of these folks, these

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Speaker 8: women go to these locations they think they're maybe going

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Speaker 8: to be famous, They think maybe they're going to party

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Speaker 8: and meet someone, and then things change. We see it

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Speaker 8: all the time, So these type of cases are not

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Speaker 8: always a slam dunk for the government. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: Course, I hear you wandering down the garden path trying

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Speaker 1: to take me down a rabbit hole. I asked you,

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Speaker 1: what are the evidchieri hurdles the state must surpass in

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Speaker 1: order to get a digital evidence such as a computer

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Speaker 1: a phone. First of all, the state has to prove

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Speaker 1: that this device belonged to the suspect, and that the

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Speaker 1: suspect actually wrote that text. But if they try to

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Speaker 1: they're gonna look even worse.

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Speaker 8: Well, sure, and the hurdles are simply the authentication of

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Speaker 8: worth these devices, text messages sent by the defendants or

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Speaker 8: did someone create. It's very easy to change the name

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Speaker 8: of a contact in a phone and send a text message.

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Speaker 8: I've been in cases like that where there's manipulation of

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Speaker 8: digital devices. Unfortunately, the courts allow screenshots of text messages

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Speaker 8: in But the forensic unit of the federal government is

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Speaker 8: going to look into these homes. They're going to have

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Speaker 8: the IP addresses, they're going to have the subscriber info,

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Speaker 8: and that's how they'll link it to these defendants.

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace guys joining me right now.

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Speaker 1: In addition to Greg Morris, veteran trial lawyer in his jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Richard Clue, I'm sure you've heard of him. He is

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Speaker 1: the devise attorney for one of the real estate Bros.

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Speaker 1: Aka the New Deities. He's representing Orrin Alexander. He is

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Speaker 1: a graduate from Harvard Law School. He is at clulaw

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Speaker 1: dot com with over forty years of experience chience. Mister Clue,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, and you will have to,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, drawn all forty years of your experience and

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Speaker 1: education in order to take this to trial. Mister klu,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Do you believe this

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Speaker 5: There is no way that this case ends with anything

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Speaker 5: other than an acquittal or a dismissal. The absence of

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Speaker 5: evidence in this case, I mean, the fact that we

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Speaker 5: are talking about the way men or women address towards

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Speaker 5: other men or women various encounters, as evidence of some

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Speaker 5: kind of crime just shows that there is nothing in

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Speaker 5: this case. Nothing in this case, and the polygraph examination

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Speaker 5: nor has anything developed in any of the many efforts

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm so glad you brought up the fact

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Speaker 1: that the defense team polygraphed their clients. Would you share

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Speaker 1: with May tonight the questions your defendant? Your client was asked,

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Speaker 1: what questions.

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Speaker 5: My client is charged with having had non consensual sexual

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Speaker 5: relations with one individual. That's the charge in the indictment.

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Speaker 5: That individual is not identified by name in the indictment.

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Speaker 5: So we had to conduct the polygraph in terms of

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Speaker 5: every other circumstance relating to that charge, and he passed

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Speaker 5: off the charts, and we're ready to have him polygraphed

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Speaker 5: point out that the willingness of this individual, my client,

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Speaker 1: My question to you was, what were the questions put

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Speaker 5: Did he have any kind of non consensual contact with

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Speaker 5: That's the only thing that's We filed the report, and

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Speaker 5: I'm happy to make it available to you, the full

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Speaker 5: report by the poligrapher, which took a considerable period of time.

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Speaker 1: Again, was that the only question asked to your client,

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Speaker 1: the one question.

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Speaker 5: No, it was asked four different ways to get to

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Speaker 5: the same allegation. There's only one allegation, and we talked

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Speaker 5: about generally sometimes we talk about fairness and objectivity and

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Speaker 5: trying to analyze the situation. There's only one direct allegation

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Speaker 5: against my client, and that is that he had non

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Speaker 5: consensual sexual relations with one individual on one occasion. I

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Speaker 5: polygraphed him on that single charge. If there are any

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Speaker 5: other charges coming, I will polygraph him on.

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Speaker 9: Those other charges.

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Speaker 5: But I polygraphed him on that one. We polygraphed him

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Speaker 1: That right, So your polygraph, mister Klue, and I have

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Speaker 1: arranged and been there to observe many, many polygraphs as

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Speaker 1: they relate to rate charges and murder charges. Now, of course,

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Speaker 1: in many jurisdictions, a polygraph is not allowed in a

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Speaker 2: Is that correct, mister Klue.

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Speaker 9: Yes.

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Speaker 5: The sole allegation against him, the sole allegation that he

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Speaker 5: There's a specific allegation we still have didn't don't even

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Speaker 1: I believe that the questions are A one, did you

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Speaker 5: Did you have sex? Well, that's the allegation to was need.

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Speaker 5: That's the allegation that's need. You know what am I

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Speaker 9: Now?

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Speaker 1: You said to me, did you engage in non consensual sex?

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Speaker 1: That's very different from did you have sex with victim

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Speaker 5: Available to you. I'm not hiding anything from you. Nancy,

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Speaker 5: you have the report. I filed the report.

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Speaker 1: In New York, did you have sex with victim two

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Speaker 1: In New York, did you have any kind of sex

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Speaker 2: Now, can I ask you whether you would be.

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Speaker 1: Willing to have your client submit to an l E

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Speaker 5: Well, we're under tremendous time pressure in this matter. We

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Speaker 5: We made it clear to the government as soon as

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Speaker 2: That's not true.

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Speaker 1: That's just because your clients admits to a polygraph does

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Speaker 2: But actually.

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Speaker 1: Part of this has to do with the judge.

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Speaker 2: The judge.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't quote believe in polygraphs. Didn't the judge go on

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, again, we haven't had any litigation on

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Speaker 5: But you know we are.

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Speaker 1: You trying to tell me you believe polygraphs are allowed

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Speaker 5: Well, there is no question that there has to pass

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Speaker 5: a certain point, given very old allegations, this is an

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Speaker 5: that there comes a point where if you don't have

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Speaker 5: decend the client. I understand nobody wants anybody to be harmed.

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Speaker 5: I don't want anybody to be harmed in any social

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Speaker 5: the anticipated results. Clue. I will litigate.

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Speaker 9: Clue.

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Speaker 1: I want your clients to enjoy and exercise all their

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Speaker 1: constitutional rights. But you and I and everybody on this panel,

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Speaker 1: including veteran trial lawyers out of your jurisdiction, all know

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Speaker 1: that polygraphs are not allowed in criminal cases in New York.

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Speaker 2: So when you try to tell me.

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Speaker 1: Mister Clue, and I greatly respect you, when you try

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Speaker 1: to tell me this issue hasn't been litigated yet as

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Speaker 1: to whether these pollies are coming in, They're not coming in.

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Speaker 2: They are not allowed in New York.

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Speaker 1: There will be no litigation as to whether these polies

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Speaker 2: But speaking the police.

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Speaker 5: You're right. My only response is more is the pity

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Speaker 5: because we're trying to get at the truth here.

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Speaker 2: If I'm right, man, google it.

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Speaker 1: You don't even have to turn on your Lexus nexus

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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. You don't have to get your law

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Speaker 2: It's not allowed in New York. But what I do

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Speaker 5: The second circuit is not barred. Finally, absolutely, categorically board

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Speaker 5: Uh ye, Gavin.

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Speaker 1: Are you I respect that it's not allowed. Hey, ken

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Speaker 1: Shul joining me?

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Speaker 5: You know, well, I'm sorry, I've got I've got to run.

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Speaker 1: mister Klue. Ken Shull is joining me right now, renowned poligrapher,

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Speaker 1: former head of the entire FBI Polygraph program in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. Former special agent with the FBI, Ken, thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us. I am sure you heard the

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Speaker 1: questions that were put to mister Klue's client and to

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Speaker 1: the other real estate bro aka the new Ditties. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of those questions they claim they passed?

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Speaker 10: Polly Well, you know, it's just impossible to know. I mean,

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Speaker 10: I know this is a respected retired ATBI did quite honestly,

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Speaker 10: I respect him. I believe he as a proper training

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Speaker 10: I would you know, I'd like to see the charts.

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Speaker 1: Asking specifically about the questions themselves. So I'd like to

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Speaker 1: direct your attention now to the questions, mister Schoul. I

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Speaker 1: and this is something you look at when you are

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Speaker 2: It's very important because.

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Speaker 1: If you leave room for evasion in the question, the

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Speaker 1: question should have been at any time did you have

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Speaker 1: been given drugs covertly, because there's a very strong.

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Speaker 2: Possibility that the real estate bros.

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Speaker 1: Are not present when the women were secretly given drugs

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Speaker 2: Do you follow my drift?

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Speaker 9: I do?

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Speaker 10: I do, And that's what I see the questions. Those

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Speaker 10: are the words that I have circled here that concerned

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Speaker 10: don't know why that turned out at you?

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Speaker 2: And why did you circle those words, mister.

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Speaker 10: Schul Well, because does it really matter if they were

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Speaker 1: I also noticed that none of these questions refer to

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Speaker 1: None of them use the word non consensual. Not one

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Speaker 2: Do you see that, mister schul right?

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Speaker 10: I do.

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Speaker 2: I agree so to Greg Morris.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Greg, what I'm trying to convey.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can phrase it better than me and take

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Speaker 1: These questions are formulated in a way to allow the target,

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Speaker 1: the real estate bros, Pass the POLY. There are too

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, what's wrong with these questions?

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Speaker 8: I agree with you, they actually violate the first rule

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Speaker 8: That gives the opportunity, like you just said, for the

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Speaker 8: Likely the polygraph was done to try to convince the

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Speaker 1: This is why I think the judge said this is

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Speaker 1: a move for the media, but it's not moving me

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Speaker 1: because everybody in that courtroom knows pollies are not allowed

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Speaker 1: I got to respect Clue because he never quit right.

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Speaker 1: He kept arguing, well, it's not barning in this district,

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Speaker 1: Polly A. The poly questions were evasive. They were set

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Speaker 1: And second it's not allowed even if they did pass

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Speaker 1: here's the deal. Here's my question to Clue, the defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: should I believe you you or my lion eyes watch

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Speaker 1: this morsel partlos hygiene. He's going to push me down

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Speaker 1: and tisnees and hands on my shoulders.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like right here behind me and holding me down

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Speaker 5: For an inner long kind of discussing of like amongst

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Speaker 11: Or in.

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Speaker 3: Rakehurst, the new didties disgrace celebrity real estate mobiles for

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Speaker 1: Tonight, Richard Clue, the veteran defense attorney representing one of

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Speaker 1: the New ditties, the real estate bros, charged with massive

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Speaker 1: counts of sex trafficking, more charges coming down the pike.

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Speaker 1: He claims his clients are telling the truth that none

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Speaker 1: of these charges existed, and let me remind everyone the

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Speaker 1: real estate bros are two twins and one other brother.

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Speaker 1: Are not guilty until proven guilty in a court of law.

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Speaker 1: Right now, they are presumed innocent. So should we believe

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Speaker 1: they're veteran defense attorney from Harvard or should we believe

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Speaker 1: the alleged victims.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen.

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Speaker 12: Okay, so you're on your back, your shorts and your

449
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Speaker 12: basic Super bowls have been running.

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Speaker 5: Over and then after that and along, we're basically just

451
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Speaker 5: saying like, do you want to go first?

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Speaker 9: Do you want to go first?

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Speaker 12: Decided to go first? Or was putting on pond John

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Speaker 12: or Irene decided to go first?

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Speaker 2: And they were both talking.

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Speaker 12: About whose first.

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Speaker 5: That's what I was like.

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Speaker 2: We was played crying and asking.

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Speaker 12: Him and they're registed moring me and when Hoar went

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Speaker 12: at first, where you can kind of treat you you guys,

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Speaker 12: your industry and you're great to see a US.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you were hearing one of the alleged victims statements.

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Speaker 1: We are hearing her initials known to us our m

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Speaker 1: moother w m W. Are those her true initials? I

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Speaker 1: don't know that. Sidney Summer joining US Crime online dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, Sidney, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Where did we get these video statements of the alleged victims,

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Speaker 1: because they're very powerful. Did you hear that, said investigator,

469
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Speaker 1: you're on your back, your shorts and your bathing suit

470
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Speaker 1: bottoms have been removed. That's a nice way of saying

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Speaker 1: they were taken off. What happens after that? Orn and

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Speaker 1: Alon basically trying to decide who is going first. It

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Speaker 1: makes it sound like who's going to get into the

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Speaker 1: limo first. They're talking about raping her. Oren was putting

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Speaker 1: on a condom and decided to go first, and I

476
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Speaker 1: was there and I was crying and saying please stop, and.

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Speaker 2: They were ignoring.

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Speaker 1: They were ignoring me, And she says Orin went first

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Speaker 1: and penetrated her vaginally. Where did these videos come from?

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Speaker 11: Sid fancy of these allegations are absolutely horrifying. These are

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Speaker 11: coming from Miami Beach Police. It's three different victims, three

482
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Speaker 11: different victims. I've come forward and spoke with Miami Beach

483
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Speaker 11: Police about what allegedly happened to them, and they all

484
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Speaker 11: tell very similar stories where they don't know these men

485
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Speaker 11: very well, but they feel like they're being invited into

486
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Speaker 11: a safe space. It's a party with multiple people in

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Speaker 11: MW's case, the brothers send photos of what looks to

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Speaker 11: be a party. It looks like there's a pool party

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Speaker 11: going on. They send her a photo with multiple people

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Speaker 11: at their home. She shows up and no one is

491
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Speaker 11: there except for the brothers and their friend, Ohad Fisherman.

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Speaker 2: That's who is at the house.

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Speaker 11: So she's been duped into coming over here thinking she's

494
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Speaker 11: coming for a party, and it's just her and these men,

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Speaker 11: and of course they overpower her. And the other two situations,

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Speaker 11: there is one woman who describes what she thinks is

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Speaker 11: being drug She describes having one glass of wine at dinner,

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Speaker 11: going home to have a better conversation.

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Speaker 2: It was a group dinner.

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Speaker 11: She goes up with his apartment to actually have a

501
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Speaker 11: chance to talk to him.

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Speaker 2: It was supposed to be a date.

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Speaker 11: She doesn't finish one glass of wine, and she describes

504
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Speaker 11: not being able to move, not being able to speak,

505
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Speaker 11: feeling locked in her own body. It's horrifying, you know, Sid,

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Speaker 11: You're right.

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Speaker 1: These are from the investigative files, and I'm so glad

508
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Speaker 1: that they took the statements and videoed them. You know,

509
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Speaker 1: it's hard enough to interview rape victims. They don't like

510
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Speaker 1: talking about it. They don't like reliving it, even if

511
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Speaker 1: it happened years and years before, Sid, So as painful

512
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Speaker 1: as it was, this is like a prep for them

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Speaker 1: taking the stand. And I believe, I believe the defense

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Speaker 1: attorney Richard Klue, I don't see these guys entering any

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Speaker 1: type of a plea. I think that they are so

516
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Speaker 1: arrogant that they will go to trial thinking that somehow

517
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Speaker 1: they can intimidate the victims. Hey, Sid, here is another

518
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Speaker 1: portion of the video of one of the statements. Now

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Speaker 1: we were hearing m W. This is more from MW

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Speaker 1: before we moved to the next victim video.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 12: I don't know for sure, but I do feel like

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Speaker 12: reported it or just because of where the phone was.

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Speaker 5: It was on the chair went on was.

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Speaker 12: Full with every at least you know, along with half

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Speaker 12: of phone. But I'm not sure to go through the

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Speaker 12: people there, so we don't. Yeah, I'm just I'm not

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Speaker 12: sure if they recorded.

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Speaker 5: I just felt like after I realized where the phone

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Speaker 5: was propped up, and then how he was on it

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Speaker 5: and swilling through and stuff, it felt like he did.

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Speaker 12: So I charted, and then when it was on my head,

533
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Speaker 12: I remember I was like walking around going around, seemed

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Speaker 12: happy and excited, and then she just like I remember,

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Speaker 12: she's on zipped the back of my dress and started

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Speaker 12: to mostly like on to bed, and I just remember

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Speaker 12: like kind of laughing because I thought it was a joke.

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Speaker 12: But we hadn't like done anything sexually. We had it

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Speaker 12: out of connection, we hadn't even like a t there,

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Speaker 12: So I'm like a clari it was funny who was

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Speaker 12: on the bed. And I got scared and I said, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 12: I don't I'm not ready for this.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing a voice distortion of the victim, clearly not

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Speaker 1: wanting her voice out there. And if you see her

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Speaker 1: body language, she sounds like she's crying and fanned herself

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Speaker 1: and starts picking at her nails, and she's trying to

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Speaker 1: recount what happened. She says, I was gooping around, uh,

548
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly he just unzipped the back of my dress.

549
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Speaker 1: I was laughing because we had not done anything sexually.

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Speaker 1: We had never even made out or touch to each other.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was funny, and then I got scared

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Speaker 1: and said no, no, no, I'm not ready for this.

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Speaker 1: This is victim to M G M mother G Grace

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Speaker 1: listened to more.

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Speaker 12: I just feel like my body was kind of.

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Speaker 2: Like not reacting.

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Speaker 12: I felt like I didn't have some strengths, and I

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Speaker 12: don't know what was happening, and it was scaring me

559
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Speaker 12: because I don't know. I can't guarantee if you put

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Speaker 12: something in, you have no proof, and I don't know

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Speaker 12: without feeling. But I just remember like I remember feeling

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Speaker 12: really like stressed out that I couldn't move and I

563
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Speaker 12: could barely speak, and I remember I started crying and

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Speaker 12: I got tears going down my face.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is IRV Brandt, former Senior Inspector

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Speaker 1: US Marshall US with their International Branch, Chief Inspector DJA,

568
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Speaker 1: Office of International Affairs at Shay all over the world,

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Speaker 1: Hunting the Bad Guys and author of a string of

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Speaker 1: Jack's solo books on Amazon, his most recent forever solo

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Speaker 1: Night of the Dragon Earth. I want you to hear

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Chase not a bad Guy? What

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Speaker 1: happened in court when the Real estate Bros The New

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Speaker 1: Diddies asked for bond listen.

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Speaker 13: Orin Alexander's defense, attorney makes a final desperate bid for Bill,

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Speaker 13: claiming his client is a changed man since becoming a father.

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Speaker 13: Richard klu who refers to the alleged rapes as orgies,

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Speaker 13: claims the danger of another one occurring is zero. In

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Speaker 13: or out of jail now that Orrin is a married man.

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Speaker 1: Because it's considered a dangerous crime, I'm required to vulge

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Speaker 1: you with no bond.

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Speaker 10: We see here, your honor.

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Speaker 6: I'm John.

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Speaker 3: Don't talk about the facts though your attorney's here.

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Speaker 8: Your honor. My wife is nine months pregnant to do

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Speaker 8: any day now with our first child.

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Speaker 2: Families from results.

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Speaker 6: She's counting on me to be with her during labor.

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Speaker 1: That's something you have a very good attorney. And then

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Speaker 1: the prosecution fired back.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 4: In prosecutors' arguments against bail, attorneys detailed the long history

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Speaker 4: of the Alexander brothers pattern, claiming evidence shows all three

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Speaker 4: were participating in sexual violence all the way back to

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Speaker 4: high school. Classmates overheard the brothers bragging about sexual assaults

596
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Speaker 4: at school, boasting about running train on their victims and

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Speaker 4: saying they wanted to do it again. One of the

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Speaker 4: brothers even wrote in a yearbook, writing my first chew

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Speaker 4: chew train was the most memorable moment from high school.

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Speaker 1: You know it's very rare or brant that I'm speechless,

601
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Speaker 1: But imagine a tain boy, say seventeen years old, when

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Speaker 1: you write somebody's yearbook, erv have a great summer, something

603
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: like that Bestie's forever He writes his most memorable memory.

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Speaker 1: His most memorable moment in high school was quote riding

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Speaker 1: my first chew chew train. In other words, gang rape

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Speaker 1: or Brandt. You have tracked down people all over the world.

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Speaker 2: There is no chance in HG.

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Speaker 1: Double L that this judge is going to give these

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Speaker 1: multi millionaire real estate bros. A chance to abscond. They're

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes from Teeterborough. Explain or how easy it would

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Speaker 1: be to catch a private plane to another country.

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00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: Look at Roman Polanski.

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Speaker 1: He's been hiding out in what France all these years

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Speaker 1: with a statutory rape charge waiting for him here in

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Speaker 1: the States.

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Speaker 9: You're correct, Nancy. Money makes all things possible. When you

617
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 9: have that kind of wealth and you can use private planes,

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Speaker 9: set up private air fields, you can escape this country.

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Speaker 9: There are no restrictions the court could employ that could

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Speaker 9: prevent that from happening, he said in court. Owen said

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Speaker 9: in court that his wife is pregnant, expecting their child,

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Speaker 9: and her family's in Brazil, which leads me to believe

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Speaker 9: that she's a Brazilian national. If he managed to get

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Speaker 9: to Brazil, we have an extradition treaty. But if he's

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Speaker 9: married to a Brazilian national, that trying to extradite him

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00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 9: out of Brazil would be complicated, if not impossible, especially

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Speaker 9: given the amount of money that he has and the

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Speaker 9: legal team that he could hire. So no, Nancy, that

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Speaker 9: judge is correct and keeping him in prison awaiting trial.

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Speaker 2: Here's the saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to direct to you to Titterborough or any

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Speaker 1: private airstrip. When I was a prosecutor, we had to

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Speaker 1: go to a lot of remote areas in the state

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Speaker 1: of Georgia to find witnesses, to talk to witnesses, and

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00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: very often we would take sheriff's helicopter and we would

636
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Speaker 1: land literally out in the middle of a field sometimes.

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Speaker 1: So when you are taking a private plane, you don't

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Speaker 1: even have to land in an airport. You can land

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Speaker 1: on any strip of pavement, any flat surface that you

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Speaker 1: can find. Right, So, how easy is it v Brandt

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Speaker 1: from the US Marshall Service for a purp to get

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Speaker 1: on a private plane.

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Speaker 2: It's not like you're going through TSA at Hartsfield. You're

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Speaker 2: not showing id nothing like that.

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Speaker 1: They don't know if you've got a warrant or not.

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Speaker 9: You're correct, Nancy, it would be easy, especially given the

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Speaker 9: amount of money that he has. He could fuite anywhere

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Speaker 9: in this world. It is all possible. Money makes it possible.

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Speaker 9: You're absolutely correct.

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Speaker 1: You just heard from a former senior inspector with US

651
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Speaker 1: Marshall Service who's chased bad guys all around the world, state.

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Speaker 2: That with money, all things are possible.

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Speaker 1: We now know the reason the judge in this case

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Speaker 1: denied bail for the real estate bros aka the new didties.

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Speaker 1: New charges are being added as we speak. But take

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Speaker 1: a listen to the real estate bros from the Horse's

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Speaker 1: Mouth who we got.

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Speaker 8: In New York.

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Speaker 2: Check us out in New York City.

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Speaker 1: If you ever want property, a house show kind of

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Speaker 1: If you're not getting it from my man, you played

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Speaker 1: your show.

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Speaker 4: Real estate Brokers and Brothers talin Or in Alexander did

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Speaker 4: more than a billion dollars in sales this year alone

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Speaker 4: in New York City.

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Speaker 1: Those from our friends at see NBC and from the

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Speaker 1: Facebook of Alexander team Facebook.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there you have it.

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Speaker 1: In one year, Brothers Talent or an Alexander did more

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Speaker 1: than a billion that's with be As and brother of

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Speaker 1: sales that year alone in New York City. So if

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Speaker 1: they're a given bond okay to you or brand, how

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Speaker 1: would they leave the country and how quickly could it

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Speaker 1: be done? I say they drive straight from MDC where

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Speaker 1: they're being housed and go straight to a private strip.

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Speaker 1: There are plenty of private airstrips in the Hamptons nobody

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Speaker 1: even knows about.

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Speaker 9: That's exactly how it worked, Nancy. They couldn't linger in the country.

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Speaker 9: They would have to have a plan in place, and

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Speaker 9: they would leave the country immediately. And then they would

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Speaker 9: likely go to a country where there is no extradition

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Speaker 9: treaty or they know that it would be extremely difficult

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Speaker 9: to be extradited from that country.

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Speaker 2: I know this much.

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Speaker 1: They've they've got a team of amazing lawyers, a dream team,

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Speaker 1: including Richard Klue you heard earlier. I mean, if I

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Speaker 1: didn't know better, he was trying to convince me that

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Speaker 1: his horrible polygraph would be admitted in New York, which

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Speaker 1: is of course disallowed. I mean, these lawyers are good.

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Speaker 1: Will they be able to surmount testimony from the alleged victims.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,