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Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by New Era DJ

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Speaker 1: and Buck me Here and Buck. Our prototype series. Our

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Speaker 1: position prototype series continues look at tight ends. Look, this

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Speaker 1: is a big time position because the tight end position

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Speaker 1: has been the new matchup position or mismatch position in

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Speaker 1: the league. Offensive coordinators are finding that if you have

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Speaker 1: a dominant tight end, you can control the middle of field,

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Speaker 1: you can dictate coverage, you can dominate in the run game,

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Speaker 1: and you really can set up the rest of your

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Speaker 1: the central force. I'm excited that we're gonna bring on

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Speaker 1: some guys to talk about the tight ends. Guys like

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Speaker 1: Tom to less, Go general manager for the l A Chargers.

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Speaker 1: He has a tight end there, Hunter Henry, who is

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Speaker 1: And then eleven year vet in former first round pick

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Speaker 1: Anthony Beck also joins us to talk about this marquee position.

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Speaker 1: He is floating it and it's to urge at the

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Speaker 1: tent hurts at the five hurts to the end zone.

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Speaker 1: I know the touchdown for the turck hurts. Here's the snap,

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Speaker 1: with the defender hanging audience manning on a play. Pig

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Speaker 1: rolls right, throws for Ingram. He's got it at the five.

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Speaker 1: He reaches for the pylon. Touchdown Giants. What a job

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Speaker 1: by Ingram. Nowhere to go. Now to the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field. Touchdown rivers to Hunter Henry and he's high

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Speaker 1: fire side. Kittle's got it. Breaks the way down the

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Speaker 1: Cold Channel NFL record setting a touchdown catch. This is

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Speaker 1: the prototype series. This is the first time you're listening

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Speaker 1: to this series. Keep in mind we've already got episodes

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Speaker 1: out on the quarterback position, running back, wide receiver, and

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Speaker 1: offensive line. After this episode, we'll get to the defensive

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Speaker 1: side of the ball. What we're trying to do with

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Speaker 1: this series, Buck, A lot of people are curious about

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Speaker 1: evaluating the position. What a scouts look for, what's the

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Speaker 1: cover all those topics with some wonderful guests like you

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Speaker 1: just mentioned. Yeah, I mean really excited to talk to

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Speaker 1: the way that it's going. It's really a hybrid position

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Speaker 1: because what you're looking for is a guy that is

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Speaker 1: basically an officeive lineman with the athleticism of a wide

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Speaker 1: it's a unique challenge. It's a unique position to scout

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Speaker 1: because it's read that you can find someone who can

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Speaker 1: and the run game will also being a major factor

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Speaker 1: in the passing game. Let's get into a little bit

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Speaker 1: of what we're looking for at the position before we

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Speaker 1: get to our first guest and charge of general manager

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Speaker 1: Tom to LESCo um Buck. I think when you're looking

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Speaker 1: on the passing game first. I would say the most

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Speaker 1: I believe athleticism in versatility really comes into play. We've

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Speaker 1: are a lot of similarities, being able to post up,

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Speaker 1: the Hockinson's come around once every five six years. I

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Speaker 1: Once again, I'm not expecting him to be an offensive

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Speaker 1: first conversation, uh, one of the better general managers of

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Speaker 1: hand in the dirt until I was in college. UM,

432
00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,200
Speaker 1: so I had a lot to learn pretty quick. But um,

433
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,359
Speaker 1: but like I picked it up good. Yeah, what was

434
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,560
Speaker 1: that transition, Like a lot of guys make that transition

435
00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,400
Speaker 1: from from college to the NFL. You got a chance

436
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,920
Speaker 1: to put your hand on the ground there at Arkansas.

437
00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,119
Speaker 1: But what was that adjustment period like And what's it

438
00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,440
Speaker 1: like for guys making that adjustment going to the league. Yeah,

439
00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,480
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely tough. It's different. Um. I think the

440
00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,520
Speaker 1: whole middle side of things too. Um, it's just at

441
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,280
Speaker 1: the time of position, I think it's Uh, they put

442
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,720
Speaker 1: a lot on us, especially in the NFL. Um. You know,

443
00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,640
Speaker 1: we're asked to do a lot of different things. So, um,

444
00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,639
Speaker 1: you have to be you know, you definitely have to

445
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,240
Speaker 1: be pretty smart. You definitely have to work hard at

446
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,440
Speaker 1: the middle side of the game to be able to

447
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,000
Speaker 1: go out there and execute. But I think the second

448
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,240
Speaker 1: part of it is just footwork and the little things

449
00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,280
Speaker 1: like blocking is very little. Um, it's very detail warrented.

450
00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,439
Speaker 1: So um, that's the biggest thing I think is just

451
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,680
Speaker 1: picking up the details. Just foot work, hand placement, different

452
00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,159
Speaker 1: things like that helps you a lot. And just the

453
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 1: blocking and um, the right game side of things. When

454
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,359
Speaker 1: when you get to the time of position. But you

455
00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,199
Speaker 1: know a lot of those guys are running routes and

456
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,320
Speaker 1: doing different things, so once they get to the league,

457
00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:14,960
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty easy on that side of things. I

458
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,280
Speaker 1: feel like I'm fascinated by the fact of of what

459
00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 1: you guys are asked to do with the position. Because

460
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 1: one player you can be in line, next play you're

461
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,479
Speaker 1: flexed out. We're seeing now a lot of guys kind

462
00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,159
Speaker 1: of replacing that fullback position with how they can use you.

463
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,200
Speaker 1: Uh in terms of practice and in your development. How

464
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,679
Speaker 1: do you spread all those things out and become good

465
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 1: at each and every one of them. Yeah, it's huge, Um,

466
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,480
Speaker 1: I mean that that's one thing I think I try

467
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 1: to focus on is just to try to be able

468
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 1: to do everything because that allows you to be on

469
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 1: the field every single down, every single play. And also,

470
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard for defenses. They don't know what's

471
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. So that's the biggest thing for me.

472
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,159
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's just especially when you

473
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 1: go into training camp. I think it's trying to focus

474
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 1: on each and one of those things. Maybe every single

475
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,719
Speaker 1: day is pick a thing every single day, Maybe like

476
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 1: all right, today I'm really, I really want to work

477
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,199
Speaker 1: on my run blocking. I really want to work on

478
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 1: my hand puts and my phone work today. The next

479
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 1: day it's like, all right, I want to work on

480
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,239
Speaker 1: I want to work on my my routes, especially like

481
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 1: I just I still want to continue on working with

482
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 1: my run blocking. But my emphasis today is, UM, I

483
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 1: want to be really detailed on my routes, my death

484
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,239
Speaker 1: getting it out of my brakes, my releases, everything's like that.

485
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 1: So I think it's each day breaking down something different

486
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 1: that you can do, UM to make yourself there. We're

487
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 1: looking at the position of evaluating the position. You know,

488
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 1: some of the things we're looking for. Uh. A guy's

489
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 1: quickness is ability to separate at the top of his routes.

490
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: And it's also I think more of a field position

491
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 1: in the passing game maybe than another position uh that's

492
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 1: involved in the passing game in terms of developing that

493
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: comfort and that the instincts and the field working in zones.

494
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 1: Is that something that you kind of have or you

495
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 1: don't have, or is it something you can build on

496
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,679
Speaker 1: and improve? I think you definitely, uh. I think some

497
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 1: people just kind of have it. UM. And then I

498
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 1: think I think it's Definitely, you can definitely work on

499
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: and build on it. I think it's the more you play,

500
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: So I think it's the more you're out there and

501
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: the more you're I guess doing it. Um. For me

502
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 1: at least, that's that's how it was. And just the

503
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: more I see it, the more I do it, Um,

504
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm better for it. Definitely, you get a chance to

505
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: to play with Antonio Gates is going to go into

506
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, and you're kind of have come

507
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: up in this era where we've seen so many great

508
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: tight ends. Um. I know you get a chance to

509
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 1: study Antonio on the practice field during your time with

510
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 1: the Chargers, But outside of him, looking around the league,

511
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 1: is there any other guys that you pay attention to

512
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 1: on crossover taper in the off season that that you're

513
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: studying and learning from? Oh man, I try to watch

514
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: as many guys as I can. Um. You know, I

515
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: grew up watching uh, Tony Gonzalez, wten different guys like that.

516
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 1: But I think nowadays, I mean, I just like to

517
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: pick up different things from all different kind of guys.

518
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 1: Kelsey um ERT's I love what Earth's is doing. Um.

519
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 1: The Landy Walker is a guy I love to watch.

520
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's different, We're definitely different body types for sure.

521
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: But still you can always you can always put I think,

522
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: little things in your game. You're not gonna obviously be

523
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: hear what they're doing, but you can just kind of

524
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: watch what they're doing and try to learn and try

525
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: to put that into your game. So, um, those are

526
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: a few guys that I think I've I've watched and

527
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: uh enjoyed us kind of studying their tape. How about

528
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: the point of attack? You know, working in the run

529
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 1: game is something that, man, there's tremendous value. We saw

530
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 1: t J. Hockenson go very high coming out of Iowa

531
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: this year because his ability as a two way player

532
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: there in the past game as well as in the

533
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: run game as a point of attack player. I just

534
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: walk us through as an adviray, what should we be

535
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: looking for when you're evaluating that side of the game.

536
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: A lot of times you say, look, just give me

537
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: a stalemate, just try and and mirror and wall a

538
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: guy off. But what do you pay attention to when

539
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: you're studying other guys and what can we focus on? Yeah,

540
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 1: I think obviously at the time position that you know

541
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: we're going to get some bigger dudes sometimes and so

542
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: it's not you're not always going to get you know,

543
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: a lot of movement. You're not going to just blow

544
00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: dudes off the ball. Um, But I definitely watch unique. Um.

545
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: I think you can definitely watch like your footwork, um,

546
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: and just kind of knowing what they're doing with the

547
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: hand placement, different things like that. So for me, footwork

548
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: and hand placement is huge. UM, I think those two

549
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: things will take you further than anything. Obviously, to leverage

550
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: is a big part. So if you're lower than the guy,

551
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: especially when we're blocking a bigger guy, you you definitely

552
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 1: need to be lower than him. So um, you know

553
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: you can definitely tell I think the forty Niners or

554
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: a team that we actually watched this offseason that with

555
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: Kittle and the other guy I'm trying to think of

556
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: his name, I think of selling. I think them too, Yeah,

557
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: them together. We just watched a lot of their zones

558
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: and just how they were like opening up and different

559
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 1: things like that, and just watch their footwork and hands

560
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: and just how they were working to the second level.

561
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: So um, then you definitely can watch not just pass

562
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, passing teams, but you can watch the guys

563
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: run blocking to pick up a lot of stuff and

564
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: put that into your game. You talk about the run

565
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: game and watching the forty Niners front side backside, it

566
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: seems to me one of the challenges at that position.

567
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: And you've gotta have enough strength to be able to

568
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 1: set the edge on the front side. But then what

569
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: you guys are asked to do on the back side.

570
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: That's where angles athleticism all comes into play. Oh yeah,

571
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: it's uh, that's one of the hardest blocks in the

572
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: game for sure. Um, It's it's tough. So you're just

573
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, blocking is is kind of a one to

574
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 1: um and that's just that's kind of how I looked

575
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: I have always looked at it, is like, do you

576
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: really want to do it? You know, some guys don't

577
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: want to do it, So sticking your head in there

578
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: and really wanting to do it, That's that's kind of

579
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things of blocking. UM and just

580
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: giving all the effort. I mean, if you're doing all

581
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: you can, you have, but you gotta work on the technique.

582
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: But if you have that technique and you're giving all effort,

583
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: usually you're going to be pretty successful on a lot

584
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: of those blocks. So, um, that's you know, the backside

585
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: is is tough. Um, you know it's it's not sometimes

586
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: the most fun block, but every once in a while

587
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: when I think cuts back right off your butt, it's

588
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: it's it's an awesome feeling. Curious what you guys do

589
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: because of all the contact you're gonna receive down the

590
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: field in the passing game, what are some of the

591
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: drills you do try and replicate that because obviously strength

592
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: at the contact point is huge at the tight end position,

593
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: and how have you grown and develop in that area. Yeah,

594
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of bodies in there, especially

595
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: when your hands hands in the ground and through point

596
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: and you're having to do a lot of releases and

597
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: get across the field and different things like that. So um,

598
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, we have a lot of those tall dummies.

599
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: I think we work on just second second level releases

600
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: and our drills, um, and it really does pay off.

601
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: I think, just just the small things. Um. We also

602
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: have our coaches kind of mirror us and individual drills

603
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: were we're working on second level releases. Obviously at the

604
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: first level where you kind of have to be to God,

605
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: but the second level sometimes the biggest one where you

606
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: could create separation and when So that that part, I

607
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: think in individual drills and just helps a lot. How

608
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: about last thing here on the off season, Um, obviously

609
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 1: a lot of time during this period of time develop

610
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: some chemistry and camaraderie there with your quarterback and Philip Rivers.

611
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I know Philips not on like Instagram

612
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: instagramming out videos, but I'm gonna go out in the limits.

613
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: Say you guys have gotten together a little bit in

614
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: the off season, what do those workouts look like and

615
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: what do you guys work on? Yeah? Yeah, actually, Um,

616
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: I was actually down in Florida. He kind of he

617
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: has a place down there and goes down there with

618
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: a bunch, So I actually met up with him. We

619
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: have to work out with a couple of times. So um,

620
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of a place where I grew up going

621
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: to and uh but it's I mean, any time with

622
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: phil is is um is super valuable. So you know,

623
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: and just building that relationship, building that chemistry, especially after

624
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: missing last year, I think it's huge. Just continue to

625
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: build from where we were left off. I think, um,

626
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: like we we kind of know each other just even

627
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 1: in that short amount of time that we, you know,

628
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: been together. Obviously it's not gates and gates and rivers

629
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: like that, but um, it's you know, it's pretty easy

630
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: to pick up from from like what he wants some

631
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: different things like he does that he wants from us. Um,

632
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: So it's it's always fun to be with him, biggest

633
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: brain and just be around him. Well, I can't thank

634
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: you enough for your time. I know you're busy getting

635
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: ready for the season. I'll see out there at the

636
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: Chargers camp here in a couple of weeks. How to

637
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: appreciate you? Man? Alright, man? How going than alright? Black?

638
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: Listening to Hunter there, one of the things jumped out

639
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: to me is the intelligence aspect of the position. I

640
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: don't think people realize how much you have to know

641
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: and to be able to execute at that tight end position.

642
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 1: Because of a hybrid position, you're literally adjoining two position groups.

643
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: In the one, you're taking the offensive line and you're

644
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 1: taking a guy and asking him to be a wide receiver.

645
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: So he has to know everything that you need to

646
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: know in the running game. He has to be able

647
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: to block like an offensive line, and he has to

648
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: know the adjustments and checks based on the front but

649
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: he also needs to be very aware of what's going

650
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: on in the past game, roused timing, where I need

651
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: to be on the field. That your awareness that comes

652
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: with how do I sit down into progression all of

653
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: those things. And so from i Q standpoint, you have

654
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: to have guys who have great football intelligence and a

655
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: great understanding of how to kind of put all the

656
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle together. I think that position too

657
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: has um I would say some more creativity baked than

658
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: to it. You're gonna see a lot more option routes,

659
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: a lot more routes where you need your tight end

660
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: to be on the same page as your quarterback. I

661
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: almost think if if you're setting up training camp and

662
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: where these guys sometimes after room with one or other,

663
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: don't just get your own room. I think I would

664
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: always ask my quarterback my tight ends the room with

665
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: one another? Oh well, I mean one, the easiest throw

666
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: for the quarterback is in the middle of the field

667
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: because it's the shortest distance. So having a big tight

668
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: end that you can trust you need to be on

669
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: the same page with him also because they need to

670
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: be in lockstep when it comes to those option routes.

671
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Speaker 1: We have heard anyone who hasn't heard that Jason Witten

672
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: interview when he's explaining why option or uh the level

673
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: of detail not only to here, but Jason Garrett describing

674
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: how Jason Witten could go through and do the presentation

675
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: on why option tells you. It shows you the intelligence

676
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: that you have to have to play the position. It's

677
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: a key position, is one that's increasing im prominence as

678
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: the league continues to trend towards a passing uh leaf.

679
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: All Right, that was fun to catch up there with

680
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry. By the way, prediction he stays healthy for

681
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: all sixteen. He is very talented. Somebody to help out

682
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: in the run game as well. All right, Our next guest,

683
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: Anthony becked, this is a fun conversation. Get a chance

684
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: to really dive into specifics of the position. And I

685
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: sometimes I always feel like we need to educate the

686
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: folks if they don't already know. We assume people know,

687
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, some of the terminology. And talking with Anthony

688
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: Beck and we're talking about a nine route and I

689
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: think people that don't know about the route tre just

690
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: explain with the route tree is real quick before we

691
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: get to this interview. Yeah, so the route tree is

692
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: something that man has been around for years and and

693
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: typically when you think about the route tree, the easiest

694
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: way to explain it. Odd numbers typically break outside. Even

695
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: numbers break inside. And as you're climbing up the ladder

696
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: from one to nine, it goes from short routes to

697
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: deeper routes. The nine route is the deepest route that

698
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: you can get because it's a vertical route. It is

699
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: the go ball, It is a I'm taking off. Some

700
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: people call it the fly pattern. But there's some nuance

701
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: to being able to be a great route runner on

702
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: those nine routes, being able to climb and eat up cushions,

703
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: step on the defender's toes, set them up so you

704
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: can get bomb and then stack. And where we talked

705
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: about a wide receiver being like a car where you

706
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: have headlights and tail lights and when you get past him,

707
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: put the defender in your tail lights. Um the detail

708
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: that you need to understand when it comes to running

709
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: rouse is is really essential. And for tight ends it

710
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: is tough because you're asking a yeah who was a

711
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: pseudo offensive lineman to go and do things that you

712
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: expect the guys on the perimeter to be able to do.

713
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to find guys that can do all of

714
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: those things. All right, here's a fun conversation with Anthony Back,

715
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: someone who played a long time in the National Football

716
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: League and one of the better blocking tight ends we've

717
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: seen in the last several years. A smart and deeply

718
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: set benefit short drop looks left laps and talk right

719
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: open sluts down. Back the tight end found himself on

720
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: my all open. We're talking about the tight end position.

721
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: Who better to talk to than somebody that was a

722
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: first round pick spent eleven years in the National Football

723
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: League at the position. So Anthony, I'm gonna give you

724
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: a softball here. You can brag on your position. How

725
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: smart do you have to be to play tight end? Oh? Wow?

726
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think this day and age

727
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: at the tight end position, especially when I was playing,

728
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, under the offensive tutelage of guys like John

729
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: Gruden and then uh, you know, doing a little bit

730
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: of the digit system in St. Louis uh to me.

731
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: You know, you got to be multifaceted. Number one. You've

732
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: got to understand multiple positions. So you gotta be able

733
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: to play the game like an offensive lineman. You have

734
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: to be able to run routes similar to our receivers.

735
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: And then as far as you know, when you're talking

736
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: about West Coast systems, the multitude of different types of

737
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: shifts and movements and where you're at, you're usually the

738
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: piece that you know you kind of see moving all around.

739
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean you look at a guy like uh Kelsey,

740
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: who you know in Kansas City Andy Reid system. You know,

741
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: he's almost a joker. I mean, he's everywhere, and that's

742
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: beneficial if you can do all those things plus being

743
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: inline backer actually the inline blockers, so you know, to me,

744
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: I just feel like what you're what you're being asked

745
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: to do with that position in offenses that understand that

746
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: it can be a definite advantage for you. Is is

747
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: Sky's limit. If you're a smart tight end, you can

748
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: definitely handle more stuff. You can be more productive. I

749
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: think in the offense that you're playing in. I really

750
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: think it's underrated. I think it's one of the reasons

751
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: why some of these guys can't get on the field

752
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: at the NFL level, because you see a fantastic athlete,

753
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: but there's so much that goes into knowing not only

754
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: the past, the game, the run game at that tight

755
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: end position, there's a lot on your plate. Another I

756
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about instincts, um, just the

757
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: importance of instincts, understanding space, understand how to maneuver in

758
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: and around space and make yourself big. Can you just

759
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: touch on the importance of instincts at that position. Yes,

760
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: So you know, you look at the way different tight

761
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: ends play the game now, and and I'll just kind

762
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: of go with like a Gronk and and a Witten.

763
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, those are two guys that to me when

764
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: you look at Jackson Witten play, He's not fast, you know,

765
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: but he understands the techniques and the spacing and the

766
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: leverage of the defender that he's playing against, and he

767
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: utilizes that in his outs all the time. Now, if

768
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: he were just to run out there and you clocked

769
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: it and say, okay, well, it probably wouldn't be you know,

770
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: some of your great route running as far as the

771
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: speed is concerned, but as far as getting open, he's

772
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: been phenomenal. Gronk another guy, as you've seen him over

773
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: his ears and he's been banged up, he's been able

774
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: to position his body, use his strength to really just

775
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: kind of uh suck the ball. In at any point

776
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: on the field and Tom Brady just puts it in

777
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: a in an area where he can go get it,

778
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 1: and he does. And you know those are far in between.

779
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: You don't find those kind of guys all the time. Uh,

780
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: you know instincts. To me, it comes down to what

781
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: can you get pre snap. It's very similar to the

782
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: quarterback position. The most successful quarterbacks obviously from the time

783
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: they leave the huddle and their guys line up and

784
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: they understand ships and where their guys are going and

785
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: what the defense may or may not be doing. It's

786
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: the same thing for that half of the football field

787
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: for the tight end, because you have to release over

788
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, depending on a nine technique defensive end or

789
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: a head up technique or seven inside and how you're

790
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: gonna get in your round and how do you maneuver

791
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: getting through the linebackers And you know, what did you

792
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: see on tape that they normally do when you release?

793
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: What kind of run fake you're getting? Is that going

794
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: to help you? You know, all those pieces. If you're

795
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: a good tight end, you put that all together and

796
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: then now you get into the second level where's the safety?

797
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: So you know, for me, it was like Oh, you

798
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: know when you're tight end, now you gotta worry about everybody.

799
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: It really isn't It's it's really taking that half of

800
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: the field and understanding what's there at each level and

801
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: how you can combat that and having that instinct and

802
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: getting that feel and a lot of that film study.

803
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many different levels of the position

804
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: in all positions to be great, but if you can

805
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: study the film, gread and know your opponent, that's gonna

806
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: be half the battle as well. When you're running those

807
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: routes and doing those things on the field, whether you'll

808
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: be blocking or running uh, pass routes. We talk about

809
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: the running back position. We use that phrase contact balance

810
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: a lot. You know, can you maintain your balance through contact?

811
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: And you look at the tight end position, Uh, there's

812
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: a lot of chaos, there's a lot of mud you're

813
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: catching the ball and a lot of traffic. So, uh,

814
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: contact strength, being able to catch the ball in in

815
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: crowds and absorbed contact. Is that something you see that

816
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: guys either have U Can it be taught and how

817
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: important do you view that in the evaluation of the position. Well,

818
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: when you're when you're talking about contact, it's you know, Okay,

819
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: lower in your shoulder running into a guy that that's

820
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: not exactly what it means. It means you know, how

821
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: quickly can you press off? You know, get that impact

822
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: off and then and release yourself from that defensive because

823
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: let's be honest, all linebackers and safeties are gonna hold

824
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: you right da, and we know that that's how they

825
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: do it. That's the only way they can guard a

826
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: good tight end is if they grab you and you

827
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta counter that with a few punches yourself,

828
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: you know. And we always say don't extend the arm,

829
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: but you get that, uh you flip the elbow in. Uh,

830
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of get them leaning a little bit.

831
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: You know, you utilize the press and you're the top

832
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: of your route to get them going one way so

833
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: that yeah, there's contact there, but you're getting them off

834
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: leaning a certain way now that you get that nice

835
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: press in separation. So you know that the art of

836
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: the game is really your right makes the difference. And

837
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: where the players are on the field in their career,

838
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: are they a good player? Are they a great player?

839
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: Are the elite player? And those tiny details, those little

840
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: things that things Witten does or Gonzalez did. Those are

841
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: the things that really separate guys, and then you know,

842
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: once in a while you're gonna find the complete tight

843
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: end like a Gronkowski and there's some other tight ends,

844
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: you know. I look at a guy like Nick Boyle,

845
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: and I trained Nick Boyle when he came out of college,

846
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: and I instantly saw a guy that was gonna be

847
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: probably the best blocking tight end the NFL. Let's be honest.

848
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: If he's not that, then he's pretty close to it.

849
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,479
Speaker 1: But yet you know he's able to run some intermediate routes,

850
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: be effective, uh and do some things in the passing

851
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: game as well. And I think the NFL to me,

852
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: still wants that tight end. I think from the fans

853
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: and and you look at the fantasy football everybody loves

854
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: those numbers and everybody wants to see those acrobatic basketball catches.

855
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: But I think from an offensive coordinator standpoint and what

856
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: they're trying to accomplish anytime I can keep the the

857
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: offensive tackle off my double tight end set, and I

858
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: can use, for instance, like the Buccaneers with Cameron brad

859
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: and O. J. Howard, that is really really tough to defend.

860
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: You're talking about limiting defenses on what they can do.

861
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: And now you're talking about two guys that can can

862
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: block and are some things really good things in the

863
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: passing games. So again, what level of tight end you

864
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: want to be? How do you want to work your craft?

865
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: You know, I got a good experience with the a

866
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: F coaching tight ends under Mike Martz's system in San Diego,

867
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: and it just I loved it. I loved you know,

868
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: allowing God to understand the position a little better maybe

869
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: than he learned in college. Because the college tight end

870
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: that's coming out right now, and I don't want to

871
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: say he's he's being cheated by any stretch of imagination,

872
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: but he's not being able to learn the intricacies of

873
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: the position, and he's really being treated like an inside

874
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: receiver almost with a lot of these spread systems and

875
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: some of the things they're doing. So the stuff that

876
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: was easy for me and the stuff that I worked on,

877
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: you know, for for years and day one, those things

878
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: become ultimately important for tight ends that come out of

879
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: the league now. And you see a huge I saw

880
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: huge drastic steps taken by by by our set of

881
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: tight ends at at our team, just on the working

882
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: those fundamentals not being able to kind of do those

883
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: for for the years that they were in college, and

884
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: you see those big jumps, So I think teams desperately

885
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: want the all around complete tight end and when they

886
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: come around, you know, then you look at the Hockinson.

887
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: I mean, um, I think the best clip that we've

888
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: seen on him in college was when he played Indiana

889
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: and blocked that guy ten yards down the field. That

890
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: was my game. The only reason why there was a

891
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: camera you call that, I told yeah, I told the

892
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: camera guys to put that camera right on game because

893
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna get some of that. And it ultimately when

894
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: people saw that, they were like, wow, that is unbelievable.

895
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: And I was as excited on TV as if somebody

896
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: caught a one handed cats for fifty yards down the field. So, uh,

897
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: just an unbelievable accomplishment. When you see those a guy

898
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: like that do those things and he can run rounds

899
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: and stretch the field, man, you gotta you gotta swoop

900
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: those guys up. They're gonna be impact players. Yeah, no doubt,

901
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: hard to find those guys. That's actually the clip that

902
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: I requested when he got picked that that was definitely

903
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: part of the past. I knew you was like that.

904
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: There was a couple of gets. It was a couple

905
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: of gets Illinois. They were pretty nasty too. I don't

906
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: know if you called that game as well, but oh

907
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: I talked about being able to talk about being able

908
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: to finish dudes. Uh you you mentioned your reference to

909
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: your your time coaching there in the a F so

910
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: having played the position, having coached the position, I'm just

911
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: curious because so many these guys are detached. Uh so

912
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: few of these guys actually put their hand in the ground,

913
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: like Hockinson and those guys that Iowa got a chance

914
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: to do. How different is the game when you're standing

915
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: up basically functioning as a slot receiver for the first time,

916
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: to have to go in the NFL level against grown

917
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: men and put your hand on the ground. Well, you know,

918
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: from my experience, I wasn't detached too much from West Virginia.

919
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: I was considered uh quote unquote complete tight end that

920
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: when I got to the league, I just the speed

921
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: of movement from the second and third level players was

922
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: mind boggling to me. I just remember running some early routes,

923
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, my first first year and just seeing basically

924
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: just blurs of color running in front of me, and

925
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: I really had no concept of my depth of my route.

926
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: I was just hoping that I was going to get

927
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: to the point where I needed to be. And then

928
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: by then, you know, the balls whizn't in your face.

929
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, Benny tests Verdie's thrown rockets at you and

930
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I gotta catch the ball now. So

931
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: there is an element of adjustment for for college players.

932
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the guys that can do both.

933
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean a guy like O. J. Howard who came

934
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: out of college from Alabama did both of those things,

935
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: was able to get inline, you know, move, get in

936
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: the backfield, extend. You know a lot of guys that

937
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: are extended now and coming out of college in the pros,

938
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: I think they're a little more adjusted to that. You know,

939
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: like an ingram for for for the Giants, I mean,

940
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: a guy that can go out there and kind of

941
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: utilizes his specialty in space. And if you can do both,

942
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm telling you now, uh, those tight ends will last

943
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And if they can stay healthy and

944
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: learn how to block and institute that in their game,

945
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: they can extend their career. So you know, I had

946
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: my football camp and Brent Selik was there talking to

947
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: the kids in Philadelphia, and you know he was saying, listen,

948
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: you know I wasn't a highly drafted guy, and when

949
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: I came to the league, I was able to run

950
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: some rounds, catch some balls. But you know, after year

951
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 1: six seven, I figured out how to block and become

952
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: a blocker, and and that's really what happened to me.

953
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I would have been on the league in

954
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: seven years if I didn't put put the work in

955
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: to become an inline blocker that could dominate an end

956
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: and instead of trying to win at a time, maybe

957
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: six at a time. Is the clip that you're able

958
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: to have That is huge when you're talking about being

959
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: able to get a guy like Mawaiian space and go

960
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: black block Zach Thomas without being you know, nicked on

961
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: the shoulder by the defensive end or anything like that,

962
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: or or getting the fullback in that in that um

963
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: that alley position to get the safety when it's free

964
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: and clear. So you know, to me, if you want

965
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: to extend your career as a tight end, learn how

966
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: to block the you're guaranteed double digits. If you say,

967
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: if you stay healthy. Alright, last question from me. If

968
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: we're tasked with evaluating this position, and you get to

969
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: get your hands on a kid, you get to work

970
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: out with them, and maybe you can put them through

971
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: one or two drills in your opinion, what are the

972
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: one or two drills that are the best evaluation tools

973
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: for us? Uh? Well, you know, for me, I always

974
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: want to see what kind of hip strength they have,

975
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, I want to see how they explode out

976
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: of their hips. It was interesting. I was over at

977
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: the xfl uh Tampa Bay Combine yesterday and they have

978
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: these X factor drills that they were doing along with

979
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: the normal combine stuff that we've seen for years, and

980
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: they actually did almost like a triple uh long jump

981
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and it kind of showed you the

982
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: depth of their pool, how high they're able to get

983
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: their knees up and then kind of explosion out, you know,

984
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: from distance, And I thought that showed a lot for

985
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and tight end. Now, when I'm on the

986
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: field and I'm coaching a guy, no matter what we do,

987
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: every single day, we start are all fours on the

988
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: ground and we're constantly launching up into about a forty

989
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: five angle through a bag with a guy leaning on

990
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: it and shooting our hips through the bag down into

991
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: the ground, and always had all your hips always have

992
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: to hit the ground first, and almost like a pendulum

993
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: like this. So when you're in your stance and you

994
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: come out and shoot out, you should be able to

995
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: roll your hips in the middle point there onto the ground.

996
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: To me that they got to feel that. They gotta

997
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: understand where the power comes from. The next thing is,

998
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, when you engage in contact, for really any

999
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: offensive line, your tight end, you know, where does your

1000
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: power come from? Knowing A lot of guys don't know that.

1001
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: They just assume, you know, you shoot your hands on them.

1002
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: And then you've got to get your second step on

1003
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: the ground and time that up with your hand placement

1004
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: on the defender. Now, if tight ends can utilize that

1005
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: with the snap count and get off with speed when

1006
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: you're blocking the three pounder, which you're normally not going

1007
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: to be able to block and win most of the time,

1008
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: those three things right there, If you can put those

1009
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: things together, two steps on the ground, get your hands

1010
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: on a guy on the second step, and shoot your

1011
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: hips and do that right at the snap count, you're

1012
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: gonna at least get a stalemate, right, because you can

1013
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: get yourself in a position to win that they're gonna

1014
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: have leverage on your defender and most of the time

1015
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: you should be able to get a little push. And

1016
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: you know it works, I mean, and but they gotta

1017
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: build habits. That there's a lot of bad habits going

1018
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: on right now, and that just comes with time. Most

1019
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: more importantly, there's not enough time to teach. You know,

1020
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: when I was playing in the NFL before the new

1021
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: c b A and I have one year with the

1022
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: new cb A, is you're allowed to say, I have

1023
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: to practice. I worked with the coach and I would

1024
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: do some extra things. They got another camera watching it

1025
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: now and you've got to get off the field and

1026
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: it can only be on there in a certain amount

1027
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: of time. And that that as you well know, Uh

1028
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, the young players struggle with that, and that's

1029
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: a problem. So uh, you know, those guys gonna learn

1030
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: how to do some things on their own and get

1031
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: that working in the off season. Uh, you know, having

1032
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: that extra month to start instead of mid March now

1033
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: mid April, utilizing your time in the off season. As

1034
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: a young player, you've got to make huge strides in

1035
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: your game when you're not at the football facility. And

1036
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's very easy for guys to maybe

1037
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: go do these workouts with these uh secondary assisted type lists,

1038
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: these jumping things, and not really do true technique driven

1039
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: drills to help you get better. And sometimes they're a

1040
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: little unorthodox stuff that you have to do. But those

1041
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: are the things that how can you uh manufacture strength,

1042
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: power explosion in those simple movements to make yourself a

1043
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: better tight end? And those are the things I try

1044
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: to mold my whole regime around. And I'm just, you know,

1045
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: young in this thing how to teach and I know

1046
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: how to do it, but it's teat you and get

1047
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: somebody else to do it and see them do it.

1048
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: That's kind of the key. And those are kind of

1049
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: the core things that I try to start with every day,

1050
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: at least when I was with the team with the A. Well,

1051
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: that's phenomenal. You if you've played the position, you've coached

1052
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: a position, you were working with a lot of these

1053
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: young guys as they're coming through, UH, really really appreciate

1054
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: your time today, Anthony got a bunch of notes taken

1055
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: down here. We're gonna get better at the evaluating this

1056
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: tight end position. Thank you man. Well, you know, Daniel,

1057
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: I also got the coach, and I also got the

1058
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: experience to get fired. So I've been fired on all

1059
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: levels across the board. Let go out some of my positions.

1060
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: So it's come full circle for me for sure. Well, look, hey,

1061
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: raise your hand if you've been fired before I got

1062
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: my note. Uh, we've been there. Thank you, brother, hit

1063
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: him straight, man, I appreciate man. Great talking to them

1064
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: all right, buck Well, there was a conversation with Anthony Beck,

1065
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: somebody who's spent some time coaching the position. And look,

1066
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: he played a long time not because of what he

1067
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: does a receiver, competent receiver, but an outstanding blocker. Man,

1068
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: you can play a long time in this league. If

1069
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: you can block at the tight end, you play a

1070
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Speaker 1: long time because there's value to being able to have

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Speaker 1: an edge blocker, a guy that can really control the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage on the edges, dominate those defensive ends,

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Speaker 1: keep those offensive outside linebackers rather at bay, and allow

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Speaker 1: you to get around the corner. And so when you

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Speaker 1: find a good tight end that can block, because there's

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Speaker 1: so few that can. But you're talking about being able

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Speaker 1: to carve out a little niche that allows you to

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Speaker 1: be a tend leving your veteran player like Anthony Beck

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Speaker 1: was able to carve out. All right, let's get to

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Speaker 1: it now. We're getting towards the end of the podcast here,

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Speaker 1: and this is and every single one of our episodes,

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Speaker 1: whether we're talking quarterbacks, running backs, receiver's offensive line, at

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Speaker 1: this point in time, we like to say who we

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Speaker 1: believe is the prototype at the position. I've got a

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Speaker 1: feeling that since Rob Gronkowski has gone uh, there's a

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Speaker 1: chance we might be sitting on the same name here.

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Speaker 1: But who do you who do you like? Who? I

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Speaker 1: think that the top tide in the game right now

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Speaker 1: would be a guy like a Travis Kelsey. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey is so special because he has the athleticism

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Speaker 1: and the versatility of a wide receiver in space. He's

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Speaker 1: a guy who can run all the routes on the

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Speaker 1: rout tree, but he also is capable of running bubble

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Speaker 1: screens and some of the fancy routes that are normally

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Speaker 1: not reserved for tight ends. And he's able to consistently

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Speaker 1: put the ball in the faint I believe he is

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Speaker 1: now the new prototype at the position because he is

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Speaker 1: that mismatched weapon. He is the guy that you can

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Speaker 1: put anywhere in the formation and you have to kind

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Speaker 1: of trick up your coverage to make sure that you're

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Speaker 1: accounting for him. He's a guy that I think you

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Speaker 1: look too if you're talking about the mold. He is

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Speaker 1: the mold of the new tight end in the least

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Speaker 1: Football League, and I think if we're looking and I

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Speaker 1: agree with you, I think he is kind of the

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Speaker 1: standard right now. If you're looking at just pure route

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Speaker 1: runners at the position, I think zach Ertz is that's

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Speaker 1: the next guy to the head of Zach especial. Let

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Speaker 1: him out and let him set people up, and he's

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Speaker 1: outstanding at the top of his route is zach ERTs

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Speaker 1: is outstanding because he is a big, jumbo wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy that is able to kind of create

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Speaker 1: opportunities in the passing game because he can went outside

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Speaker 1: against nickels and safeties and make place. I think another

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Speaker 1: guy is funny because this guy was the first round pick.

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Speaker 1: Uh didn't really do anything his first up in Detroit,

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Speaker 1: but he goes Indianapolis in the way that Frank Reich

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Speaker 1: has been able to kind of unlock him. Frank Reich's

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Speaker 1: experience with zach Ertz gave him a blueprint for how

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Speaker 1: to utilize Eric Ibran, and we saw him respond with

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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl year. He is a guy that also

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Speaker 1: could be considered one of those new prototypes of the position.

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Speaker 1: I gotta also mentioned George Kittle, who's coming off of

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Speaker 1: a big really helping in the run game as well

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Speaker 1: as what he does in the passing game. So those

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Speaker 1: are some of the prototypes we're looking at at the position.

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Speaker 1: This has been a fun series, Buck, this is gonna

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Speaker 1: wrap up our offensive side. We're gonna get to the

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Speaker 1: defensive side. We've got coming up edge rushers as well

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Speaker 1: as corners. What you're gonna want to stick around and

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Speaker 1: listen to those episodes as they drop it. Man, this

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Speaker 1: has been a fun series. Again, I feel like we

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Speaker 1: learned something in every one of these episodes. So we

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Speaker 1: absolutely have learned something. Like the inside that we've gained

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Speaker 1: from guys who have either played the position, guys who

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Speaker 1: have coached position, guys who talk and studied position has

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Speaker 1: been beneficial. I believe it makes us better scouts, and

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Speaker 1: I think it'll make our listeners even better because now

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Speaker 1: they're able to look and see exactly what the goal

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Speaker 1: standard is for those respective positions. No doubt that's uh,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us today as we can

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Speaker 1: tenue through this series. It's been really a fun task

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Speaker 1: to kind of take this on and go through the

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Speaker 1: the off season as we get ready for the regular season.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully this education you know what to look for when

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Speaker 1: you're looking at these positions. Uh. He is Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Jeremiah. Thank you so much for listening to

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Speaker 1: the Move the Sticks podcast presented by New Era. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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