WEBVTT - Mildred Fish-Harnack

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Holly Fry and I'm tra Phoebe Wilson. Hey. Fair

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<v Speaker 1>warning you guys, this is not a particularly fun episode. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, in fact, I'm fun. Uh. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Mildred fish Harnack, who was a woman from

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<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin who found herself at the center of a resistance

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<v Speaker 1>group working to undermine the Nazis in Germany as Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>came to power and catalyzed World War Two. While it

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<v Speaker 1>is not fun, it's an important story because it offers

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<v Speaker 1>a glimpse into some of the ways that the historical

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<v Speaker 1>record can get blurry, simply because in some cases there

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<v Speaker 1>are people trying to do the right thing and having

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<v Speaker 1>to cover their tracks, and as a consequence, their own

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<v Speaker 1>life stories kind of get blurry enough that they can

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<v Speaker 1>become tools of propaganda as a result. So that is

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<v Speaker 1>the story that we are telling to day. Uh. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, it's not a super upbeat one. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a place where a downer is gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>you have a bad day, maybe save this one. It

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<v Speaker 1>will still be here waiting for you. When you get back. So.

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<v Speaker 1>Mildred was born Mildred Elizabeth Fish on September sixteenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>o two. Although her birth certificate lists heer's name is

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<v Speaker 1>simply Maddie Fish. Her parents, William C. And Georgina Fish,

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<v Speaker 1>had three other children. They were Harriet, Marian, and mar Beau,

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<v Speaker 1>and they raised their family in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Mildred went

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<v Speaker 1>by Millie growing up, and because of the family lived

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<v Speaker 1>in a city with a large German population, she learned

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<v Speaker 1>to speak German. Yeah, she could also read and write it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the family moved around quite a bit, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was because William, who was an insurance agent, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>struggled to keep up financially and he often couldn't make rents,

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<v Speaker 1>so they would just pick up and move over time.

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<v Speaker 1>His problems with money led William and Georgina to become

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<v Speaker 1>a strange so he was not really living with the

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<v Speaker 1>family for most of high school. Milly attended West Division

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<v Speaker 1>High School, which has since changed names to Milwaukee High

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<v Speaker 1>School of the Arts. Prior to her senior year, however,

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<v Speaker 1>her father, William died and Georgina and the children moved

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<v Speaker 1>to Chevy Chase, Maryland. Georgina had taken classes to learn

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<v Speaker 1>things like shorthand and taking dictation, so she was able

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<v Speaker 1>to secure a good job in Washington, d c. That

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<v Speaker 1>enabled her to provide for the family on her own.

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<v Speaker 1>Millie completed high school at Western High School in Baltimore, Maryland,

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<v Speaker 1>attending in the nineteen eighteen to nineteen nineteen school year

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<v Speaker 1>as a senior. And even though she only spent that

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<v Speaker 1>one year in school in Maryland, Millie did not seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have any problems with jumping into a variety of

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<v Speaker 1>school activities. She played sports, both baseball and basketball. She

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<v Speaker 1>acted in the senior play, and she also edited the

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<v Speaker 1>school paper, which was right in line with her career

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<v Speaker 1>goal of becoming a writer. Throughout her early years, she

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<v Speaker 1>wrote poetry and she became skilled as a writer of

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<v Speaker 1>both verse and prose. And when she wrapped up her

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<v Speaker 1>whirlwind final year of high school, she attended First George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington University, but she missed Wisconsin and so she transferred

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<v Speaker 1>to the University of Wisconsin Madison to complete her degree,

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<v Speaker 1>which she did in During her undergrad years, Mildred seems

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<v Speaker 1>to have been the kind of person that you'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to meet. She became part of a group known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Friday Night Ers. This was a progressive circle of

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<v Speaker 1>friends and intellectuals who met to socialize to discuss issues

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<v Speaker 1>such as women's equality and labor rights. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>other things Mildred did during college was to memorize the

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<v Speaker 1>first book of the Iliad in Greek. She was able

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<v Speaker 1>to recite the entire thing. This was something that her

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<v Speaker 1>professors occasionally had her do for their classes after she graduated.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those mind blowing things. To me. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine ever being able to do it. Uh. With

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<v Speaker 1>her bachelor's degree in hand, Mildred continued into graduate studies

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<v Speaker 1>also at the University of Wisconsin Madison, which she completed

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<v Speaker 1>in nine. Her senior thesis was titled a Comparison of

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<v Speaker 1>Chapman's and Pope's translations of the Iliad with the original

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<v Speaker 1>and during that time in graduate school, she had also

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<v Speaker 1>worked on the Wisconsin Literary Magazine as an editor, and

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<v Speaker 1>she also taught English at the university, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>while teaching that she met her future husband. The meat

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<v Speaker 1>cute story for Mildred and Arvid Harnack goes like this. Harnack,

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<v Speaker 1>who was from Germany and was studying in the US

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<v Speaker 1>as a Rockefeller scholar, accidentally ended up in the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>classroom in the wrong building. That classroom was where Mildred

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<v Speaker 1>was teaching, and Arvid was immediately taken with her. When

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<v Speaker 1>the class was over. According to the story, Arvid introduced

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<v Speaker 1>himself and he and Mildred each apologized, he for his

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<v Speaker 1>halting English and she for her rusty German. So they

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<v Speaker 1>decided that they would study together so that they could

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<v Speaker 1>each improve their fluency, and this very quickly blossomed into

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<v Speaker 1>more of a date situation than study time. Arvid immediately

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<v Speaker 1>wrote to his family that he had met someone special

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<v Speaker 1>and he would continue to write to his mother about

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<v Speaker 1>the dates that he and Mildred went on, and then

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<v Speaker 1>on June n six, he wrote quote, I am very

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<v Speaker 1>happy I've got engaged. The whole thing is actually very curious,

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<v Speaker 1>because I can hardly speak English and Mildred knows no German.

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<v Speaker 1>I made up my mind when I saw her for

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<v Speaker 1>the second time. We got engaged yesterday. This engagement was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty short, just two months. Mildred and Arvid were married

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<v Speaker 1>on August seven, nine six. That was two days after

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<v Speaker 1>Mildred completed her exam for her master's degree. Per Arvid's

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<v Speaker 1>letter to his family quote, we celebrated the wedding on

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<v Speaker 1>her brother's farm. A large part of the Fish family

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<v Speaker 1>was gathered there. Mildred's mother is simple and yet very fine.

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<v Speaker 1>We arrived at the farm at five p and Mildred

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<v Speaker 1>and I left again at nine p. We were married

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<v Speaker 1>on the farm by father Johnston, methodist of his couple

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<v Speaker 1>of church. He made it short and painless. In a

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<v Speaker 1>very progressive move for the time, Mildred hyphenated her last

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<v Speaker 1>name to Fish Harnack rather than taking Arvid's last name.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how kind of just direct his letters are.

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<v Speaker 1>He manages to be both very clearly like into her

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<v Speaker 1>and yet not super florid and romantic in his writing style.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of adorable. So for the nine school year,

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<v Speaker 1>Mildred taught English in Baltimore at Goucher College. Arvid's fellowship

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<v Speaker 1>ended and he returned to Germany, initially by himself. Mildred

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<v Speaker 1>joined him in nine and she fit right in with

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<v Speaker 1>his family, who, like Mildred, valued education, and she became

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<v Speaker 1>very close with Arvid's sisters. Mildred wanted to continue her

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<v Speaker 1>studies to get a doctorate degree, and she did so

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<v Speaker 1>in her new home country. The couple moved away from

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<v Speaker 1>the Harnack home to Berlin in nine thirty, and she

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<v Speaker 1>got a job at the university, teaching English language literature

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<v Speaker 1>classes while also working towards her doctorate. That made her

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<v Speaker 1>not only one of the first Americans ever to teach there,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also made her a colleague of Albert Einstein,

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<v Speaker 1>who was also on the faculty. Of course, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing the math in terms of timeline, that decision to

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<v Speaker 1>move to Germany at the end of the nineteen twenties

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<v Speaker 1>meant that Mildred and Arvid were there as Hitler's rise

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<v Speaker 1>to power was gaining momentum, and they were, of course

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<v Speaker 1>troubled by it. Soon, their gatherings of friends to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual matters evolved into a resistance group. Mildred, as a

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<v Speaker 1>woman and a foreigner, lost her job. It also seems

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<v Speaker 1>that part of the problem was that she was not

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<v Speaker 1>aligned with the ruling Nazi party. She was able to

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<v Speaker 1>find work after that, but it was all sort of

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<v Speaker 1>piecemeal teaching, tutoring and translation work. None of it was

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<v Speaker 1>particularly lucrative. But Mildred was an ardent lover of literature,

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<v Speaker 1>so She continued to both translate German works into English

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<v Speaker 1>and to share the works of US writers like Faulkner

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<v Speaker 1>and Thomas Wolfe, who she met a one point with

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<v Speaker 1>her German students. Arvid was an economist. In the fallout

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<v Speaker 1>from the US market crash, he felt that capitalism was

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<v Speaker 1>a troubled economic structure, and he became fascinated with Marxism

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<v Speaker 1>and communism. He formed a study group that traveled to

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<v Speaker 1>Moscow in ninety two. That was a moment that might

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<v Speaker 1>have led to him being approached by Soviet agents about

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<v Speaker 1>sharing information on what was happening in Germany, but this

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<v Speaker 1>also meant that he had to become more and more secretive.

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<v Speaker 1>As both paths of his double life widened. He rose

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<v Speaker 1>through the ranks of the economics ministry, and soon he

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<v Speaker 1>was actively using the knowledge that he gained there to

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<v Speaker 1>help Germany's enemies. Both Mildred and Arvid also joined the

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi Party. This was so Mildred could continue to find

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<v Speaker 1>work and so Arvid could continue to work in the

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<v Speaker 1>economics ministry and just learn as much as he could.

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<v Speaker 1>They also both started working with a resistance group that

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<v Speaker 1>fought the Nazi regime in a number of ways. First,

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<v Speaker 1>they published a secret newsletter in Berlin to try to

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<v Speaker 1>warn people about the dangers of Hitler's regime. If you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the episode in the archives about the White

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<v Speaker 1>Rose by previous hosts, you know that printing a newsletter

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<v Speaker 1>was inherently dangerous. Obtaining enough paper to print such things

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<v Speaker 1>automatically aroused suspicions, so even this seemingly simple act took

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<v Speaker 1>a great deal of stealth planning and smuggling of needed materials. Second,

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<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned a moment ago, they started sending information

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<v Speaker 1>to Germany's enemies, both the US and Soviet Union. By

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<v Speaker 1>giving information they had to contacts at the embassies for

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<v Speaker 1>those countries in Berlin. Mildred was close friends with Martha Dodd,

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<v Speaker 1>the daughter of the US ambassador stationed in Berlin, and

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<v Speaker 1>Arvin had professional connections to the embassies through his work.

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<v Speaker 1>In a moment, we're going to talk about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the other resistance efforts of Mildred and her husband, but

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<v Speaker 1>first we will pause for a sponsor break. We mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>before the break that both of the har Knacks joined

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazi Party so that they could continue their work,

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<v Speaker 1>but that also meant that they could continue to meet

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<v Speaker 1>with their friends without arousing suspicion, and that meant they

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<v Speaker 1>could keep planning their resistance strategies. Mildred, like her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>used her work as part of their anti Nazi efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>She actually started recruiting students to the cause, and she

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<v Speaker 1>also used her translating work in the publishing industry, which

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<v Speaker 1>required business trips around Europe, to make contacts in other

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<v Speaker 1>countries who were sympathetic to Germans trying to fight their

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<v Speaker 1>dictatorship from within. There is evidence that Mildred helped Jews

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<v Speaker 1>escape from Germany, but exactly what she was doing to

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<v Speaker 1>do this, or how she got anyone out, is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit unclear. It is highly possible that her personal

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<v Speaker 1>connection to the US embassy probably greased the wheels to

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<v Speaker 1>getting at least some people out with travel visas. And

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<v Speaker 1>throughout all of this they continued to document Nazi violence

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<v Speaker 1>and to write anti Hitler tracts, and they became part

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<v Speaker 1>of the larger affiliation of loosely connected groups that got

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<v Speaker 1>the umbrella nickname Red Orchestra. That name, to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>was not a name that they used, It was one

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<v Speaker 1>that the Nazis assigned to them. It was wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>cappelle in German, and that translates literally to red chapel

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<v Speaker 1>or red band. The name arose because the Soviet code

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<v Speaker 1>for a radio operator was a musician, and the transmitters

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<v Speaker 1>were called music boxes. The Soviets had supplied radios to

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<v Speaker 1>the resistance groups in Berlin. It's still a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>unclear how much any of those radios actually got used.

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<v Speaker 1>I there's one documentary that interviewed some researchers that said

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<v Speaker 1>that like the effort had gone awry, like they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really know how to use them, but uh, this still

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<v Speaker 1>kind of all got amalgamated into their name and in

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<v Speaker 1>their work with the orchestra, they shared information about Germany's

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<v Speaker 1>finances gained largely through Arvid's work. Information about very as

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<v Speaker 1>companies and their contracts made their way to the US

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<v Speaker 1>and Soviet intelligence agencies, so data regarding the allocation of

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<v Speaker 1>assets could help predict Germany's movement. In nine thirty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Mildred and Arvid took a trip to the US. This

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<v Speaker 1>was a work trip for Arvid. The US was not

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<v Speaker 1>yet at war with Germany, and Mildred arranged a concurrent

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<v Speaker 1>lecture tour with a topic titled the German relation to

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<v Speaker 1>current American literature. This trip was also arranged because Mildred's mother, Georgina,

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<v Speaker 1>was ill at the time. Arvid was willing to share

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<v Speaker 1>information about German activities, but he was running into a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>As a member of the Nazi Party. It was naturally

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<v Speaker 1>assumed that he was a Nazi, and while the US

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't in the war at this time, that didn't exactly

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<v Speaker 1>make anyone in the US government feel especially comfortable trusting him. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 1>both Mildred and her husband believed that they might have

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<v Speaker 1>been followed by German spies, so they couldn't exactly reveal

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<v Speaker 1>that their affiliation with the party was strictly for show.

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<v Speaker 1>Arvid was known for his economic study of communism, so

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<v Speaker 1>there was a whole second layer of distrust at play.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in ninety seven, once they returned to Germany, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a personnel change at the U. S Embassy. William

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<v Speaker 1>Edward Dodd, whose daughter had been close with Mildred, stepped

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<v Speaker 1>down from his position and he was replaced by Hugh R. Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>Mildred and Arvid became good friends with the embassy's new

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<v Speaker 1>first Secretary, Donald R. Heath, as well as his family,

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<v Speaker 1>and he understood that they were Nazi party in paperwork

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<v Speaker 1>only as a ruse, and as tensions mounted in Berlin,

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<v Speaker 1>Mildred started tutoring he son, Donald Jr. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>through him that she and Arvid were able to pass

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<v Speaker 1>information to the US. It wasn't only Arvid's work that

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<v Speaker 1>provided intelligence. At one point Mildred was tutoring a German

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<v Speaker 1>soldier who, as he came to trust her, became a

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<v Speaker 1>little loose lipped on military matters. With this and the

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<v Speaker 1>military spending information gained through Arvid's post, they were able

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<v Speaker 1>to share critical information regarding Germany's rearmament, which was a

0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.199
<v Speaker 1>violation of the Treaty of Versailles. In Berlin. They also

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<v Speaker 1>disseminated information to other members of the resistance. Mildred illegally

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<v Speaker 1>accessed in transcribed foreign radio broadcasts so others in the

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<v Speaker 1>movement could know what was happening outside of Germany and

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<v Speaker 1>how Hitler's regime was being seen beyond their borders. As

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<v Speaker 1>part of their effort to keep a low profile. As

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<v Speaker 1>their involvement with the resistance effort escalated, the Harnacks moved

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<v Speaker 1>to a new home on the outskirts of the City,

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<v Speaker 1>and in their work with the Rhetor Orchestra that Harnacks

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<v Speaker 1>worked closely with Haro Schiltze Boizen It's a German Air

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<v Speaker 1>Ministry intelligence officer and initially Arvid Harnack thought Schiltze Boizen

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<v Speaker 1>was really too dangerous to work with, but he did

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<v Speaker 1>have a history of anti Nazi work. His revolutionary views

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<v Speaker 1>had gotten him arrested by the Essay when he was younger.

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<v Speaker 1>He came to their attention running a leftist periodical called Gegner,

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<v Speaker 1>which translates to Opponent. After being beaten severely and having

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<v Speaker 1>swastikas carved into his legs, among other tortures which led

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<v Speaker 1>to hospitalization, he was finally released through the influence of

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<v Speaker 1>his socialite mother. His co editor, Henry er Lange, who

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<v Speaker 1>was half Jewish, did not survive this encounter. Schiltza Voisen

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<v Speaker 1>is often reported as saying, after this horrific event quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I have put my revenge on ice. It was after

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<v Speaker 1>that he enrolled in pilot school and joined the German military,

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<v Speaker 1>again through his parents influence and apparently true to his word,

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<v Speaker 1>because as he appeared the perfect soldier and officer, he

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<v Speaker 1>was actually collecting intelligence and feeding it to the spy ring.

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<v Speaker 1>He eventually earned a degree of trust from Harnack and Mildred.

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<v Speaker 1>As the nineteen thirties came to a close, Arvid had

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<v Speaker 1>grown increasingly worried for Mildred's safety because of her foreigner status.

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<v Speaker 1>He bought her an open ticket to return to the

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<v Speaker 1>US abort a steamship. She refused us to go, but

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<v Speaker 1>kept the ticket with her at all times. Her belief

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<v Speaker 1>was that she had work to do in Germany, and

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<v Speaker 1>she also just didn't want to leave her husband's side.

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<v Speaker 1>In the months leading up to June, the Red Orchestra

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<v Speaker 1>warned Soviet agents repeatedly about the impending Operation Barbarossa that

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<v Speaker 1>was Hitler's plan to invade the Soviet Union, but those

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<v Speaker 1>warnings were not heated, and the initial attacks took the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet military by surprise from the top down in the structure.

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<v Speaker 1>And for people that were involved in the Red Orchestra,

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<v Speaker 1>who had really gone to great effort and endangered themselves

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<v Speaker 1>and their families to share this intelligence with the Soviets,

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing was incredibly frustrating. Meanwhile, the Heaths had

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<v Speaker 1>been recalled from the US embassy just before the bombing,

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<v Speaker 1>of Pearl Harbor led to the US joining the war.

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<v Speaker 1>The embassy in Berlin was empty and the network of

0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.960
<v Speaker 1>informants that had once connected through it was broken. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>the Red Orchestra was compromised in the fall of ninety

0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.160
<v Speaker 1>two biaus sloppy move on the part of the Soviets.

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<v Speaker 1>They reached out to a contact in Brussels via radio

0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.600
<v Speaker 1>and relayed the names and addresses of the Harnacks as

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<v Speaker 1>well as other associates advising resistance in Brussels, that they

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<v Speaker 1>should contact them in Berlin. That communication was intercepted by

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans. The Nazis quickly moved to arrest all of

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<v Speaker 1>the members, eventually taking hundreds into custody. Yeah, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going super deep into the Red Orchestra itself, but there

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<v Speaker 1>were like it's usually laid out as like three pockets,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the Berlin pocket was the one obviously that

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<v Speaker 1>the Harnacks were part of. But they were moving to

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<v Speaker 1>arrest huge groups of people kind of across the resistance

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<v Speaker 1>efforts throughout Europe. Mildred and Arvid went to the Baltic coast,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's been speculation that they may have intended to

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<v Speaker 1>try to escape to Sweden, knowing that they had been

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<v Speaker 1>compromised and were in danger, but if they were making

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<v Speaker 1>an escape attempt that failed. They were instead arrested at

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<v Speaker 1>the Gestapo at the cottage that they had rented in

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<v Speaker 1>a seaside fishing town. Mildred was still carrying the ticket

0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Arvid had bought her for passage to North America with

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<v Speaker 1>the Transatlantic shipping company United States Lines. The Harnacks were

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<v Speaker 1>taken to the Gestapo headquarters and interrogated by Nazi agents

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<v Speaker 1>known for their use of torture. Mildred was placed in

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<v Speaker 1>Charlottenburg Women's Prison, and she was interrogated every day. We're

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<v Speaker 1>about to move into the Harnack's time after they were captured,

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<v Speaker 1>but before we get into that, we're going to take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break and here from the sponsors that keep

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<v Speaker 1>Stuffy miss in history class going. The Harnack's trials were swift,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were not particularly interested in actually weighing the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>That was also true for other members of the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Orchestra that had been captured. The Germans had long known

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<v Speaker 1>that there had to be a spy ring with a

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<v Speaker 1>branch operating in Berlin, and as Red Orchestra was un yield,

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<v Speaker 1>they felt justified in pursuing the harshest possible penalties for

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<v Speaker 1>that activity. Nazi judge Manfred Rhoder oversaw the trials. He

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<v Speaker 1>was known as one of Hitler's blood judges, and he

0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.840
<v Speaker 1>sought the steepest possible penalties. Were all involved in Red Orchestra,

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<v Speaker 1>demanding death sentences for most. Arvid was found guilty of

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<v Speaker 1>high treason and espionage and was sentenced to death, and

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<v Speaker 1>his deep love for Mildred is evident in his last

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<v Speaker 1>letter to her, which is dated December four. It opens

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<v Speaker 1>with quote, my dear beloved heart, in the last few months,

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<v Speaker 1>I found the strength to be inwardly calm and composed.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I await that which is coming as calmly

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<v Speaker 1>and composed, I have to thank above all the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that I feel a strong attachment to all that is

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<v Speaker 1>good and beautiful in this world, and that towards the

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<v Speaker 1>whole earth. I have the feeling which sings out of

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<v Speaker 1>the poet Whitman. As far as people come into the question,

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<v Speaker 1>it has been the ones close to me, and especially you,

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<v Speaker 1>who embodied these two feelings for me. Despite all the severity,

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<v Speaker 1>I look back gladly on my life up to now,

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<v Speaker 1>the bright outweighed the dark, and our marriage was, for

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest part the reason for this. That letter continues

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<v Speaker 1>on Arvid reminisces about moments in their life together, including

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<v Speaker 1>the picnic where they got engaged, and also just conversations

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<v Speaker 1>with Mildred that shaped the person he was. He tells

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<v Speaker 1>her that the more that he thinks about it, the

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<v Speaker 1>more good memories he recalls, and he encourages his wife

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<v Speaker 1>to reminisce similarly about their marriage and their families to

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<v Speaker 1>remember quote that the feelings of love merge in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he concluded with quote, you are in my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>My greatest wish is that you are happy when you

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<v Speaker 1>think of me. I am when I think of you,

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<v Speaker 1>many many kisses. I hug you tight your A. Seven

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<v Speaker 1>days later was his official sentencing, and he was executed

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<v Speaker 1>on December twenty two by hanging at Plots and Z.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a particularly brutal hanging. Mildred was not informed

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<v Speaker 1>of her husband's death, but knowing that he had been sentenced,

0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.880
<v Speaker 1>she wrote quote, it can be assumed that I am widowed.

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<v Speaker 1>Arvid went to his death knowing that Mildred had been

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<v Speaker 1>found guilty of aiding treasonous activities and sentenced to six

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<v Speaker 1>years in prison. He had tried to see her one

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<v Speaker 1>last time, but that request was denied. Still though he

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<v Speaker 1>was confident that she could serve her sentence and then

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<v Speaker 1>would one day be free. But what Arvid did not know, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also thought at this point that like things

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<v Speaker 1>were falling apart enough in in the German military, that

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to be over soon, and he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of was very hopeful. But he didn't know that Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>had called for Mildred to be retried, and while she

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<v Speaker 1>was incarcerated, this once lively woman who was so full

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<v Speaker 1>of passion for literature and just adoration for her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>turn into a much different person. Her hair turned from

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<v Speaker 1>blonde to white in a fairly short period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>She started to exhibit behavior that is often described as

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<v Speaker 1>bordering on madness. She had really withered away to skin

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<v Speaker 1>and bone. She was very thin. She at one point

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<v Speaker 1>is said to have attempted suicide by swallowing pins. But

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<v Speaker 1>despite what was obviously just a time of understandably incredible

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<v Speaker 1>stress and sorrow, she also during this time returned to

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<v Speaker 1>one of her dearest loves, which is literature and In

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<v Speaker 1>her final days, she worked on translating a book of

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<v Speaker 1>poems by Gerta in her cell. Chaplin Harold post Chal

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<v Speaker 1>visited her, and it's his account that describes her physical

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<v Speaker 1>condition that we mentioned just a moment ago. It was

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<v Speaker 1>through him that Mildred had Arvid's death confirmed, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>how she knew how he had spent his last days

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<v Speaker 1>and moments. The chaplain had also smuggled in some family

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<v Speaker 1>photos and an orange from Arvid's sister. Mildred kissed her

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<v Speaker 1>mother's photo and wrote on the back quote, the face

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<v Speaker 1>of my mother expresses everything that I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>at this moment. The space was with me all through

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<v Speaker 1>these last months. Immediately before her execution by guillotine, Mildred's

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<v Speaker 1>last words were, ich haba Deutschland. Also giliped my apologies

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<v Speaker 1>from my bad German, but that translates to and I

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<v Speaker 1>have loved Germany so much. She was murdered on February

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<v Speaker 1>three at sixty seven pm. Mildred fish Harnack had the

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<v Speaker 1>sad distinction of being the only American woman executed at

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<v Speaker 1>Adolf Hitler's direct order. She was forty years old when

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<v Speaker 1>she died, just as Mildred had been uncertain of Arvid's death.

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<v Speaker 1>Her death was not confirmed to her family for several months.

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<v Speaker 1>A news article ran in the Milwaukee Reader in May

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<v Speaker 1>of ninety three under the headline Nazi's victim has kin here.

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<v Speaker 1>The article was largely about Mildred's sister Marion, who is

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<v Speaker 1>referred to only as Mrs Albert R. Carlson, and who

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<v Speaker 1>contacted the paper after having seen another article about her

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<v Speaker 1>sister suggesting that she was part of a Soviet plot.

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<v Speaker 1>And the article, Marian says that she hadn't heard from

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Mildred since August of ninety two and that she's sure

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<v Speaker 1>neither Mildred nor Arvid are Communists. She was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>reach Mildred through the Red Cross during the period where

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<v Speaker 1>Mildred's death wasn't known to her family. They wrote letters

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<v Speaker 1>to Berlin hoping they could reach her, promising they would

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<v Speaker 1>find the money to bring her home. After Mildred and

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<v Speaker 1>Arvid had been executed, their story became confused and twisted

0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:40.159
<v Speaker 1>because it was used in propaganda. In being tied to

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<v Speaker 1>both the Soviets and the US and maintaining their cover

0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>as members of the Nazi Party, they had unfortunately created

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<v Speaker 1>an easy opportunity for all other parties involved to write

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<v Speaker 1>their story however they wished. In West Germany they were

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<v Speaker 1>characterized as Soviet spies. In East Germany they were made

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<v Speaker 1>into legendary heroes of the anti fa ashest Communist regime.

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<v Speaker 1>The family did not receive word until September that Mildred

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<v Speaker 1>was dead, when all of this was already being put

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<v Speaker 1>into play. As the Cold War mounted, The Carnecks were

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<v Speaker 1>labeled as Soviet sympathizers and spies by the Nazis who

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<v Speaker 1>were working with the US, including Manfred Rhodor, who had

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<v Speaker 1>sought the death penalty for both of them during their trials.

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<v Speaker 1>Although many people sought to bring Rhodor to justice for

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<v Speaker 1>his participation in war crimes, he was viewed as valuable

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<v Speaker 1>as an informational asset because of the information he could

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<v Speaker 1>provide regarding the Soviet Union. Uh he never faced any

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<v Speaker 1>consequences for these actions. Nope. It also didn't matter that

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Arvid Harnack had been suspicious of Stalin. His story was

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<v Speaker 1>rewritten to suit the Soviets, and both he and Mildred

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<v Speaker 1>were issued posthumous medals by the Soviet Union. They also

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<v Speaker 1>appeared on Soviet stamps, and an East Berlin High school

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<v Speaker 1>was named after Mildred. In late nineteen forty seven, the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Wisconsin Alumni magazine broke the story of Mildred's execution.

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<v Speaker 1>This was big enough news that other papers reported on

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:15.360
<v Speaker 1>the alumni magazine getting the scoop. The Sheboygan Press ran

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<v Speaker 1>the story under the headline state girl was beheaded by

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler's personal edict. The story covers the details in pretty

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<v Speaker 1>broad strokes. When it came out, the Alumni magazine was

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<v Speaker 1>still a week away from shipping. It concludes with quote.

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<v Speaker 1>The magazine reported it had learned most of the details

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<v Speaker 1>of the executions from records of the U S. Office

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<v Speaker 1>of Military Government. Other papers picked up the story, and

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<v Speaker 1>soon Mildred's death was recounted and reported all over the US. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Urvid's death had been known since he had been sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to death, but that whole weird second trial situation UH

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<v Speaker 1>meant that Mildred's just kind of got buried, And an

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<v Speaker 1>investigation into Mildred's case had actually started in the US

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<v Speaker 1>in ninety six under the oversight of the U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Army Counter Intelligence Corps. At the end of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI also began an investigation into the matter, and

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA also had files on Mildred and other members

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<v Speaker 1>of the Red Orchestra, which were seated by lists that

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<v Speaker 1>had appeared in Gestapo paperwork. When the CIA file was

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<v Speaker 1>released in nineteen seventy six under the Freedom of Information Act,

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<v Speaker 1>Mildred's entry was quite brief. It stated her year of birth,

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<v Speaker 1>her attendance at the University at Wisconsin, and that she

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<v Speaker 1>was quote in sympathy with her husband's devotion to communism.

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<v Speaker 1>And while there was an early effort, also in ninety

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<v Speaker 1>six to investigate whether Mildred had been denied due process,

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<v Speaker 1>which would have been a war crime, it was determined

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<v Speaker 1>that there had been enough evidence to convict her and

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced her to death. The military's investigation was closed with

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<v Speaker 1>a memo from a Lieutenant Colonel Ellis written on January

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven, which simply reads, quote, this case is classified

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<v Speaker 1>special reference and should not have been referred for investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Ship withdraw case from Detachment D, and do not continue

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation. It wasn't until the Berlin Wall fell and

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<v Speaker 1>Germany was reunited that researchers and scholars were able to

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<v Speaker 1>work together to uncover a fuller picture of Mildred's story.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then, she's been honored in a number of ways,

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<v Speaker 1>both in Germany and in Wisconsin, including with plaques marking

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<v Speaker 1>pivotal locations in her life and streets being named after her. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot um that. So I didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>a long list because then it would just be us

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<v Speaker 1>listing streets. Uh. In Mildred was memorialized with a statue

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<v Speaker 1>in Madison, Wisconsin, which was created by architect John derbro

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<v Speaker 1>It was placed on October thirty one of that year,

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<v Speaker 1>and the formal dedication took place on July twelve, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>September sixt Mildred's birthday is also recognized as Mildred Harnack

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<v Speaker 1>Day in the state of Wisconsin. That is the sad

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<v Speaker 1>story of Mildred fish Harneck Street. Heartbreaking. Why did I picket?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just felt like crying today. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess do you have some some less tearful listener mail?

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<v Speaker 1>It actually is tearful, but it's so sweet and I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make sure that I congratulated this person. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from our listener McKenna, who it actually says

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<v Speaker 1>crying over Disney ads. Uh. Right so high to Holly

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<v Speaker 1>and Tracy. Like most people, I've been looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>reason to write that I should have just written to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you how amazing you are, But that time has

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<v Speaker 1>finally come. In April, I was listening to your classic

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<v Speaker 1>on the Haunted Mansion. I had just graduated college in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of a pandemic and was accepted to the

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<v Speaker 1>Disney College Program. I was a public health major and

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<v Speaker 1>could tell the program was going to be suspended for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, so listening to the episode was bitter sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut to almost a year and a half later, and

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<v Speaker 1>the program is back on. I was painting and listening

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<v Speaker 1>to your podcasts when your ad for Disney came on.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned the day before that I would be working

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<v Speaker 1>at Disney's Hollywood Studios. When you mentioned it in the ad,

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<v Speaker 1>I started crying. Oh, this makes me so happy for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting choked up. I felt like we had come

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<v Speaker 1>full circle. Disney episode and it was canceled Disney commercial

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<v Speaker 1>when it started again. I'm actually leaving in less than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours and listening to the podcast while I

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<v Speaker 1>pack and finished some last minute projects to calm my nerves.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for the countless hours of entertainment and for

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<v Speaker 1>just being the best. Now, for the best part of

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<v Speaker 1>the email, I have included a picture of my dogs

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<v Speaker 1>and my sister on the fourth of July, the only

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<v Speaker 1>day they're allowed on the couch. From left to right, Bentley, Skeeter,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lincoln, who is our pandemic puppy, who also responds

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<v Speaker 1>to Mandy Patinkin. Thank you again and stay healthy McKenna. McKenna, congratulations.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you have so much fun. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>deep love for Hollywood Studios, even before it became the

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars Park, so I'm super excited for you. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope this is amazing. I love how your selection of

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<v Speaker 1>dogs hits all of the various cute flavors, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>have the cutee leffy dog, you have the cute kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like houndy, short hair, and then just a big

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<v Speaker 1>what looks like a cuddle bunny of love. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love that he responds to Mandy Patinkin. Um, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>this is the most amazing experience for you, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so happy that we're kind of a little part of

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<v Speaker 1>of of how you will market in your life. So um,

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