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Speaker 1: Thea Around the NFL podcast is legal in the continental

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Speaker 1: United States, but not Hawaii. Welcome back to another edition

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Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hands,

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Speaker 1: and I am joined by a room filled with some heroes.

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling to my left and to his left the

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Speaker 1: great Colleen Wolf. What's up? Welcome back? Colleen's great to

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Speaker 1: be here. It is that was by request. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: is a little bit jarring to be in the studio

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Speaker 1: with Western Colleen, who did NFL now hit? Uh you

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Speaker 1: know on camera right before? And I'm wearing a four

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Speaker 1: year old polo shirt and they're both looking like Madame

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Speaker 1: Tussaut's wax figures. Yeah, all made up. Actually, you both

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Speaker 1: look beautiful, but I'm not being able to notice. And

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Speaker 1: that looks like a new jacket. West I bought myself

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Speaker 1: a suit when I was at the draft, Mr, are handsome?

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Speaker 1: did that cost your money? Three ft away? You can

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Speaker 1: tell it? Did that cost you more than fifty dollars? Okay, Collee?

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Speaker 1: And now you like that? That's great, that's good analysis.

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Speaker 1: G Q. I'm available, No, I'm not. The NFL is

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Speaker 1: very kind to me. Shadowy league figures. So big show

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Speaker 1: today with Colleen. We got Mark on vacation staycation. Um,

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Speaker 1: a brit handsome Hank got his tickets to the Noel

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Speaker 1: Gallagher show at the Orpheum Downtown and we actually ran

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Speaker 1: into a podcast van Eddie from l A who we

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Speaker 1: took a picture Eddie, we got a picture. Yeah, so Eddie,

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening. Uh so that was pretty cool. Um.

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Speaker 1: But we'll talk a little later in the show. We'll

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Speaker 1: get into a little some concert experiences amongst the group

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Speaker 1: and TD you can get involved with that as well.

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Speaker 1: I know you are a musical man in you know,

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Speaker 1: in addition to being young ish, Kobe and the court

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Speaker 1: lightly competitive. I'll be there, all right. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what competitive trying to win? Are you trying to win

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Speaker 1: to Um, Chris Westling, you wrote a piece that's earned

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Speaker 1: why to claim it internally? Out for three minutes? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: everybody telling west is long form piece on the Ohio

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Speaker 1: River offense, which was really what the West Coast offense

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Speaker 1: we're gonna dig into that a little bit. We highly

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Speaker 1: recommend you check it out. And actually when we make

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Speaker 1: U R l s. In this case, there is one

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash Ohio River Offense. Also, we're breaking

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Speaker 1: new ground here. This is the first time you actually

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Speaker 1: have read the article. I know where you've talked about it.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like the show could be better, um. And

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Speaker 1: think we touched on the a f C East last

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Speaker 1: do the NFC West because there's some interesting stuff going

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Speaker 1: What's going on, guys? And with Greg now being in today,

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Speaker 1: I can't lie completely mild in the money tag open today.

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Speaker 1: brought in Jimmy Graham, so that's really all they need.

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Speaker 1: They have Marshawn Lynch. I'm worried about the offensive line

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Speaker 1: without Max Younger. I think it is going to affect them.

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Speaker 1: But also I'm worried about Carrie Williams being the second

425
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Speaker 1: corner back. I mean, they get rid of Byron Maxwell

426
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Speaker 1: and they bring in Carrie Williams. You have Richard Sherman. Sure,

427
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Speaker 1: but everybody is going to throw at Carry Williams. Everybody Wells.

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Speaker 1: And here's here's the thing with the Seahawks, and that's

429
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Speaker 1: part of the reason why. You know, any Super Bowl

430
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Speaker 1: loss is devastating, Any super Bowl loss in the final

431
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Speaker 1: seconds is devastating. But also there's a window here with

432
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks, and every year since they've gotten good. Now

433
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Speaker 1: you know, first they had all these manageable salaries, but

434
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: now they're starting to have to sign these guys and

435
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: they're losing people every year, especially in that secondary. Eventually

436
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: it's going to catch up with him. And maybe this

437
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: is the year. I wouldn't bank on what in the secondary,

438
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Speaker 1: at least I think that. I mean, they're most of

439
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: these guys, who Richard, they're big guys, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Camp, Chancellor,

440
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Speaker 1: they're supposed to be back by training camp. And if

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Speaker 1: they've got a few weeks to get ready for the season,

442
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Speaker 1: I you know, maybe they come out of the gate

443
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Speaker 1: a little slow, but they're they're easily the best team

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Speaker 1: in the division. What happens if Richard Sherman gets hurt

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Speaker 1: and then you have Carry and who I mean that

446
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Speaker 1: that's a major issue if that happens. Yeah, I think

447
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: that's a fair question. If he gets hurt or if

448
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Speaker 1: Earl Thomas gets hurt, big trouble. All right, Let's move

449
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Speaker 1: on to the second place team in the division, the

450
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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals UH eleven and five last year a limb

451
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Speaker 1: to the finish because they had all sorts of quarterback

452
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Speaker 1: issues with Carson Palmer going down with the knee uh tear.

453
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Speaker 1: He's gonna be back. We talked about him on our

454
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Speaker 1: last part about where he fits in on the Dalton scale.

455
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Speaker 1: He's kind of uh. We kind of agreed he was

456
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Speaker 1: in the middle there. He's probably still the guy, and

457
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Speaker 1: you hope he stays healthy. But West the question to me,

458
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Speaker 1: I never understood why they didn't make that move and

459
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Speaker 1: running back maybe a stronger push to get Adrian Peterson.

460
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Speaker 1: Andre Ellington is not the guy to be a workhorse. Well,

461
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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, we've weave been criticizing them for this

462
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Speaker 1: since a year ago, that they want to give him

463
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Speaker 1: twenty to twenty five carries a game. We know his

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Speaker 1: body's not gonna hold up to that, So why didn't

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Speaker 1: they get somebody better? I don't think that David Johnson

466
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Speaker 1: is a guy who's gonna come in and run between

467
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Speaker 1: the tackles, and they've talked about Ellington is going to

468
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Speaker 1: continue to be the lead back. I see this as

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Speaker 1: an issue for them, and it's been an issue for

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Speaker 1: a while. The Cardinals have ranked or worse in rushing

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Speaker 1: yards and eight of the last ten seasons, you look

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Speaker 1: at their yards per carry three point three. That was

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Speaker 1: last in the NFL. Last year. I mean, they really

474
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Speaker 1: needed help here and they couldn't do it. They didn't

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Speaker 1: do it, So I don't know what they're going in.

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Speaker 1: It seems like they believe with Mikey Potty in a

477
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Speaker 1: healthy Jonathan Cooper and then they draft d J. Humphries

478
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Speaker 1: that the offensive line is going to make the running

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Speaker 1: game better, and I don't know if that's true. On

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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, they have Lamar Woodley there. Um,

481
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Speaker 1: do you think west Woodley's got enough in the tech

482
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Speaker 1: to make an impact on this defense? Not from anything

483
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Speaker 1: we've seen in the past three years. I know that

484
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Speaker 1: Arians knows him because they were together in Pittsburgh. So

485
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Speaker 1: he's taking a chance on his guy. Maybe he's envisioning

486
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Speaker 1: the two thousand and ten Woodley. I haven't seen anything

487
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Speaker 1: to make me believe that Woodley is going to break

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Speaker 1: out with double double digit SAX. Yeah. And also you

489
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Speaker 1: look at that cornerback position there too, and Antonio Crimardi

490
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Speaker 1: he's with your jets now and they didn't replace him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious about, you know, Honey badger, Um, how

492
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Speaker 1: he comes back. Is he gonna be all the way

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Speaker 1: back this year? What West? What were you what were

494
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Speaker 1: you seeing by the end of the last season. Was

495
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Speaker 1: he close to the guy who was as a rookie?

496
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Speaker 1: Now he would? They were still he was still on

497
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Speaker 1: a rotation basis. They were not playing in full time snaps.

498
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Speaker 1: Now we did. I wrote an article a couple of

499
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, maybe a week ago, that the Cardinals believe

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Speaker 1: he's all the way back just in the past couple

501
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Speaker 1: of weeks. What they've seen in practices, and I think

502
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Speaker 1: they're off their off season moves tell us that he's

503
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Speaker 1: gonna be in that same role he was in a

504
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Speaker 1: rookie where he plays safety in base packages and then

505
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Speaker 1: moves into the nickelback role on third down. So I

506
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Speaker 1: think that they're counting that's one of the reasons they

507
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Speaker 1: let Chrome already go is because they're counting on Matthew

508
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Speaker 1: to play that rule one guy. I'll be keeping on

509
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Speaker 1: keep an eye on. Also, is Michael Floyd kind of

510
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Speaker 1: a put up or shut up here? For Floyd? Who

511
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: we were, We've been hired, he's been on our making

512
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Speaker 1: the leap list before. UM. Obviously there's a lot of

513
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Speaker 1: people thought he was gonna kind of succeed laras Fitzgerald

514
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Speaker 1: as the guy the leader of that wide receiver group,

515
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Speaker 1: but hasn't quite happened yet. Now you got John Brown

516
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Speaker 1: in the mid who's a promising second year player. Where

517
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Speaker 1: does Floyd foot fit in going forward? I think Fitzgerald

518
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Speaker 1: still better than him, and I think John Brown's a

519
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Speaker 1: better talent than him too. I think Michael Floyd seems

520
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Speaker 1: to be kind of limited to that deep threat sideline guy. UM,

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Speaker 1: and they've taken Larry Fitzgerald out of that role to

522
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Speaker 1: put Floyd in it, and to me, Fitzgerald still better

523
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Speaker 1: than Floyd. Did they put Fitzpatrick back in it? I

524
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Speaker 1: don't think so. I think Arian sees Fitzgerald as a

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Speaker 1: guy who plays the Reggie Wayne rule and moves all

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Speaker 1: over the offense. Now he plays a lot of slot.

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Speaker 1: I think that's where they're comfortable with him. All right,

528
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Speaker 1: Let's move out to the forty niners, who are coming

529
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Speaker 1: off really a tough offseason, as we all know, a

530
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Speaker 1: lot of guys out the door. In just this week

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Speaker 1: they lost Justin Smith, who decided to retire after fourteen seasons.

532
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 1: We know all about there are other issues. Um, Colleen

533
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Speaker 1: will start with you here. You know you look at

534
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Speaker 1: this offense. You're gonna have there no Frank Gore. You

535
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Speaker 1: have Kaepernick who's now you know, starting with a new

536
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Speaker 1: coaching staff. Uh, Carlos hide An, Joan Bolden, Torry Smith

537
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Speaker 1: us there, Quentin Patton. I want to get said, where

538
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Speaker 1: is Vernon Davis? Who is Vernon Davis? Anywhere that I can?

539
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Speaker 1: What is this? Is this a good offense? Just where

540
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Speaker 1: are we at right now? I think that we're out

541
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Speaker 1: of place. That might be worse than last year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you bring in a new head coach, you have all

543
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Speaker 1: of these pieces that are moving and it's a lot

544
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: like the Rams too. They have a lot of pieces

545
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: that need to sort of mesh here. And I don't

546
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Speaker 1: think they're going to be better than eight and eight

547
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Speaker 1: next season. I can't get excited about this team. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think a few of our regular listeners keep sending

549
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: me Twitter messages saying, don't quit on thet. But what's

550
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Speaker 1: to get excited about. I mean, they haven't have they

551
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: fixed anything that was a problem last year. There are

552
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Speaker 1: so many question marks. You lose all of your leaders,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Willis, Justin Smith, Frank Gore, guys, they were the

554
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Speaker 1: backbone of this team. I just I don't know, they

555
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: have so many question marks. You need Navar Bowman to

556
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Speaker 1: come back and be healthy, and we don't know if

557
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Speaker 1: that's ever gonna happen. Arnell Dockt to also coming off

558
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: an a c L injury doctor to to be the

559
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: guy he was. You need a new secondary to to

560
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: to gel quickly. You need Colin Kaepernick to to uh

561
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Speaker 1: start heading upward again in his career trajectory. You need

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Speaker 1: Vernon Davis, who I said earlier when he was one

563
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Speaker 1: of the top five tight ends in football two years

564
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: ago and last year, what do you have like three

565
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: yards receiving? How is that even possible? He had a

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Speaker 1: back injury in the midli year that I still believe

567
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: was the reason for his down season. But you're right,

568
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Speaker 1: we don't know what he was to me. I look

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Speaker 1: at this and a lot can change. I feel like

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Speaker 1: a lot of things have to go right for them

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Speaker 1: to get the kind wins. And I'm wondering what Colin

572
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Speaker 1: Kaepernick is going to look like when he comes back

573
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Speaker 1: next season, just because of all of the stuff we're

574
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Speaker 1: hearing about him working in the off season, about trying

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Speaker 1: to be better in the pocket, He's working with Kurt

576
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: Warner and all this stuff, I mean doesn't really matter

577
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: and we really see a difference or is he just

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Speaker 1: going to go back to doing what he was doing

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00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: because he's good at it, but I mean doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: We see this with quarterbacks every off season, like this

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Speaker 1: guy's working with so and so. Now, I mean, who

582
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Speaker 1: either you're good or not. I was gonna say, who's

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Speaker 1: the last CAUs you do hear that every year to

584
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: one of the tropes, when's the last time that actually

585
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: led to the quarterback then being a different guy? When

586
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: I can't? All right onto the Rams? Who every year

587
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: people get excited about the Rams and every year they

588
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: won six or seven games, and maybe this is the

589
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: different year. I know Greg has been chirping or to

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Speaker 1: use one of Greg's choices of words, honking that this

591
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Speaker 1: is the year the Rams get over the hump and

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Speaker 1: become a playoff team. We'll see. I mean, you've got

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles a quarterback, Trey Mason running back of course. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They drafted uh the rookie, uh, Todd Gurley at number

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Speaker 1: ten overall, so he's gonna be in the mix and

596
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Speaker 1: could be a major player. We as Kenny Britt, who's

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Speaker 1: interesting to me. I'll start there with their number one

598
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Speaker 1: wide receiver. Two years ago you said he was the

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Speaker 1: He looked worse than any player in football, or at

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Speaker 1: least any wide receiver, and then he showed a little

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Speaker 1: life last year and now he's at the top of

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Speaker 1: his depth chart. Yeah, he's not your ideal number one receiver.

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Speaker 1: I don't He's not what he was early in his career,

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Speaker 1: when was explosive and he could make big plays. He

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Speaker 1: has about two or three he had. I think he

606
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: had two or three really good games last year and

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Speaker 1: then wasn't much of an asset for the other twelve

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Speaker 1: or thirteen. So he's not a guy that you're like,

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Speaker 1: all right, we're lining up Kenny Britt. That's an advantage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they have a new offensive coordinator and Frank Signetti.

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Speaker 1: They have exactly I love that Nick Foles, Todd Gurley.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of the they brought in, how many

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Speaker 1: offensive linemen and all of these pieces have to fit

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Speaker 1: together and build some type of chemistry for the season.

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Speaker 1: You have to wonder about that. Now. Obviously their defense

616
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Speaker 1: is improved, and their defense was great last year, but

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Speaker 1: it's I mean, if they're going to win games, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be running the ball and it's going to

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Speaker 1: be really low scoring. With the offense, I think could

620
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Speaker 1: be one of the worst in the NFL. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at the right side of their offensive line. You've

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Speaker 1: got a rookie right tackle, a rookie right guard, a

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Speaker 1: first time center who has really not shown well. That's

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Speaker 1: three three piece is your offensive line who could be

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Speaker 1: well below average. Your receivers as a whole are among

626
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Speaker 1: the worst in the NFL. You know, girls coming back

627
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Speaker 1: from an a c L so who knows what he'll

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Speaker 1: be in September and October. And Nick Foles to me

629
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Speaker 1: is a bottom ten NFL quarterback. I mean, there's the

630
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Speaker 1: defense is very promising, what a great front line that is.

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Speaker 1: But to me and I when we did one of

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Speaker 1: our exercises post draft, I thought that, um that you know,

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Speaker 1: Todd Gurley could be if he's healthy, guy that gets

634
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Speaker 1: the ball a lot and can put up a big

635
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: season as a rookie. They need that. They need somebody

636
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: behind that in that backfield to have a big season.

637
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: They need the defense to be a top five defense.

638
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: And then it what to me, it would be crazy

639
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: for them to win ten games if those things happen.

640
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: But Foles also has to be closer to the guy

641
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: he was his first year with the Eagles as a starter,

642
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: as opposed to that second where he was really shaky.

643
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: But now he's got Frank Signetti and not Chip Kelly.

644
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: When your case goes cold, detective Frank Signetti. They're going

645
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: seven and nine. It's what they do, is Nick Foles

646
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: an upgrade over a healthy Sam Bradford. I tend to

647
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: doubt it a wash. Maybe yeah, it doesn't really do

648
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: anything for me. They're both hammadaggers, to quote Bob Brainheen

649
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: and curtain jerkers. It's a mate I can all right.

650
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: So that is our our look at the NFC West

651
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: projected starters. Colleen has to get back to uh, you

652
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: know NFL now, she's so in demand within and we

653
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: called the campus here at NFL Media. I have Charlie

654
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: waiting over there. But before we before we let you go,

655
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: we gotta let's talk a little music. Because yes, as

656
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: I said, Noel Gallagher, the the erstwhile frontman or songwriter

657
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: of Oasis, marks that I missed this one. Yeah, Mark,

658
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: And uh and Handsome Hank got us in Handsome Hacker's

659
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: connections to the to the Gallagher family. Uh so thank

660
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: you to Hank for that. Uh So we decided, why

661
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: don't we go down memory lane and talk about our

662
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: first concert experiences before we get out of here today?

663
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: And uh, this is when TD needs to earn the money.

664
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: That was T's first concert, TD earning the money right now?

665
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: This is kind of rave as that I don't know

666
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: what what was that T was going on? Like I said, guys,

667
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: it's Alice show, completely milling and ready for weekend. It's

668
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: a little hic off there, but should be ready to

669
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: going here. And this'side all right? Good? So why don't

670
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: we all, you know, share our first concert experiences? I

671
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: thought that'd be fun to talk about it and maybe

672
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: we'll get Connor roar on the phone. Um. Uh. And

673
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: if you're wondering, I haven't brought up Kevin patra I.

674
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: I talked to Kevin before the show. Uh, I said, Kevin,

675
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: do you want to be involved with the pod? Like,

676
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: what was your first concert experience? And Uh, he said

677
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: that he had, you know, no concert experience. He's not

678
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: a music fan. I don't know if I trust him anymore.

679
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: Patrick and I have talked about this, and it's been

680
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: shocking that he just basically has no feel for music whatsoever.

681
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't even it's not part of his life. I

682
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: think we talked about it at the draft is coming

683
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: back now is exact quote and the instant messenge conversation

684
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: when I said anything about music and he said nothing

685
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: of note, nothing like that. All right, So why don't

686
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: we start? I guess I'll start. Why not? And technically

687
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: my first concert was August eight seven, Uh, Monkeys, the

688
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: Monkeys and Weird Al Yankovic. My sister was a Monkeys

689
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: then because the last trained to Clarksville. Yeah, they started

690
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: uh showing reruns on Nick at Night and got like

691
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: a second life amongst like kids and teens of the eighties.

692
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: Weird story, and I was dragged to that I was

693
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: a kid. But my first real concert that I was

694
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: I paid for and all that. You gotta go to

695
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: nineties six Beacon Theater in Manhattan, great band out of

696
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: San Francisco with opening with the opening Active Cake. So

697
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: it was a real nice one too. Nineties punch with

698
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, seeing Adam Dirt's moping on stage. I think

699
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: he was dating Courtney Cox at the time, So Jennifer

700
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: Adison was in a good time. Has any frontman ever

701
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: had a better career year than Adam Dirts. He had

702
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: a nice run there in the mid nineties, both as

703
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: a musician and as a lothario. I still love the

704
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: Counting Crows. I still listen to them. This is my

705
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: second concert ever. Really wow. Yeah, interesting, Well we'll get

706
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: to that. I was at that store. I've been to

707
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: multiple count of growth stores. I am not ashamed to admit. Now,

708
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, as we know famously, West a little older,

709
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: has tastes that famous a little in a little more

710
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: vintage when it comes to his case. He's a little

711
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: more of the you know, classic type dude. So West

712
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: your concert experience, Well, I love music. I'm a huge

713
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: music but I hate concerts. I don't like masses of

714
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: humanity just putting their b oh and other bodily things

715
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: on you and just paying a generally a point. I

716
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: don't like concerts with a lot of people and the

717
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: music is never as good as it sounds in the studio.

718
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: So to me concerts, I love going to a bar

719
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: and listening. So my first concert ever was that a

720
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: bar down the street from the basically like a five

721
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: minute walk from where I grew up. It was called

722
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: the Blue Note, very smoky bar, and it was a

723
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: band from Australia called the Little River Band. They had

724
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of top ten hits, including this, the Albatross

725
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: and the Whales. They are my brother yeah cool chain

726
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: by the way, and I was doing the pre production

727
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: work before the show. Uh the YouTube video of this

728
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: is just a bunch of dolphins, dolphins jumping through the air.

729
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: I think. Actually at this concert, the guitar player from

730
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: the band player which had the song baby come Back

731
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: any kind of fool cool But I was wrong. Actually

732
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: it was redone as a parody song Cutty Comeback by

733
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: a Bears fan a few years ago about color. But anyway,

734
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: they played that song too. Also a huge hit in

735
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: the late seventies. The name of the band again, Little

736
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: River Band. Alright, TD, by the way, just does TD

737
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: know do you have you heard of the County Crows? Yes?

738
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: County Crows? Yes? Have you heard of? Has been no idea?

739
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: So I knew he was here them. Yeah, alright, Colleen,

740
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: your turn. Charlie Cassidy right now looking at his pocket watch.

741
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: So let's get you might have to actually pull a

742
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: Greg and leave the studio, but we need to hear

743
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: your first concert experience. You said, the County Crows are

744
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: your second experience. Count of Crows Live two thousand, Yes,

745
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: and there was like a lot of Dave Matthews bands

746
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: sprinkled throughout there. But my first ever concert was two

747
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: thousand and I was way too young to be going

748
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: to a concert. I didn't even really let's just leave

749
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: it at that. Um. So it was Jimmy Buffett right

750
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: so in beautiful Yeah, so Camden as like a fifteen

751
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: year year old that probably wasn't the greatest, but who

752
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: doesn't love little Jimmy Buffett in the summer when you're

753
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: sitting outside by the pool or whatever. Me not, I

754
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: never understood the appeal personally, but not not in a

755
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: snooty way, but I get that he really connects with

756
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: a strangely high number of people, like Incinnati is his hotbed,

757
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: Like he would do four or five concerts a summer

758
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, that he would do more concert there than anybody.

759
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: And I think it's because it's so landlocked and they

760
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: don't get to have any fun. So that's like they're

761
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: living through Jimmy Buffett. You know the song like she

762
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: came down from Cincinnati probably, Well that's how Finns, I

763
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: believe fins to the right fin That song opens with

764
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: that line he did as a tribute to the city

765
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: that there's but there's a lot of like pageantry involved

766
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: too with everybody that goes the parrot Yeah, they get

767
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: all dressed, the parrot heads. That's right, so so far,

768
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: by the way, the cool quotient not through the roof.

769
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: Nobody saw a velvet underground. Nobody was like velvet under

770
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: you know. But he saw the first Nirvana show at

771
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, uh, some little club in Hoboke. Well we

772
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: are I think we take pride in being a little

773
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: anti hipster. Well, you know, I likely we both like

774
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: hipster music too, but at the same time so far,

775
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: little mainstream. You don't have to claim to be the

776
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: first one to see them underground, you know. How about

777
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: how about Connor Or? We'll get him on the line

778
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: because uh and Colleen, if you have to go, you

779
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: gotta go, but stick around, walk out whenever you want.

780
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: We will judge you. Connor Or on the line. Are

781
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: you there, buddy? What's going on? Hey? There? He is

782
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: from his haunted mansion in suburban New Jersey. Is Connor Or?

783
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: How's things going in the old haunted house? It's pretty good.

784
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean the summer months usually the haunting is kind

785
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: of you know, the ghosts need time off too, so

786
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: it's nice a little bit of the time to get

787
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: your equilibrium. I think you're your psyche and your emotional

788
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: well being. Also, it's good not to have spirits wandering

789
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: through your you know, library and such. Um really just

790
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: turning the voices off in your head for a little bit. Uh.

791
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: And I I felt like you would be a good

792
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: person to ask your first concert experience. So far, we

793
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: have the Little River Band, West County Crows, Dan, Jimmy Buffett, Colleen,

794
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: give me something edgy, give me like you saw the

795
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: Strokes on the Lower East Side? Right when is this?

796
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: It came out in two thousand one, give it to me. Yeah,

797
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: it was me and Julian Casablankets and we were sharing

798
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: a camel light and opining on it was awesome. Uh no,

799
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: it was it Matthews. You know, I was worried they

800
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: were going to come up. How did you enjoy How

801
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: did you enjoy your sorority? Connor? On that note, I'm

802
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: leaving because you just said about you know, yeah, what

803
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: is hazing? Like? Is it? Do you feel any humanity? Oh? Man?

804
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: At least it was like, I'm not going to defend it,

805
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: but you know, it was. It was a time of

806
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: my life. You know. It's just it's it's a certain

807
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 1: thing that happened, you know. Yeah, there was as somebody

808
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: went to college in the early two thousand's, there was

809
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: a rule that every girl, it seemed at least, had

810
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: to have that one Dave Matthews poster. Where he was

811
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: it was like, I think it was black and white.

812
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: It was just him standing on a stage. Colleen's nodding

813
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: her head as she walks out of the studio. Thank you,

814
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: Colleen for She's off to do now. Always great to

815
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: have the great wolf woman, give us a wolf sound effect.

816
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: Um yeah, everyone had that west like it was a

817
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: picture of Dave just chilling on the stage, and it

818
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: was like I would I would go to parties at

819
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: colleges like Bowling Green in Ohio and girls would have

820
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: posters of Brady Anderson with Um, what year was the

821
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: d MB concert. I think that was like two thousand

822
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: three or two thousand four, somewhere in that. Uh So,

823
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: really at the height of you know, like every teak

824
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: house in the country was playing like the new Post

825
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: nine eleven album that had just come out, and like,

826
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, it peaked commercially already by that point, but

827
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: you were stolen. Oh yeah, I mean at that point

828
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: I was you know, I thought that was it like

829
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: this is uh, this is uh, this is great, but

830
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't the best concert everying. Al Right,

831
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: we'll keep you on. We're gonna keep you on the line, Connor,

832
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: because finally, uh TD decided to chime in. He said

833
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: earlier in the podcast that it wasn't just that he

834
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: wanted to take part, he wanted to win. So TD,

835
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: you will now share your first concert experience. You feel like,

836
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna win with our audience to Blandis you

837
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: guys would call him um for me, I'm with West.

838
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: I am not a fan of crowds. I do not

839
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: like to go in places where a lot of people

840
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: just gets annoying. So my first constant experience, I actually

841
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: didn't go to a concert. The concert came to me

842
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: in college. Loupe Fiasco can performing on a campus and oh,

843
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: Loupe was my guy. Okay, Loupe's first couple of first albums,

844
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Speaker 1: especially the cool. I studied that album like a book,

845
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: probably actually studying my college books. But Loupe was my guy.

846
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Speaker 1: So this this con on our campus pretty much right

847
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: next to my apartment was That's pretty cool. And Lupe

848
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: Fiasco also one of Kanye's best singles, touch the Sky.

849
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Speaker 1: He sings the hook and that doesn't it. Yeah he's

850
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Speaker 1: on there man. Yeah, so that's a good one. That

851
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: is probably the coolest one. You did, win, I'll give

852
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Speaker 1: you the win. Congratulations, Thanks, guys, you win. I've just

853
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: done the report card of this podcast and you won

854
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: the podcast. Well, actually, like I said, I'm mailing it

855
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: in today, guys, So I have no real reason for

856
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: the podcast. MVP. I was just gonna go with best

857
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: dress and the best dress and we just left the room.

858
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: So by default, Chris Westling, okay, he is. He's way

859
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: better just than I am. Um, alright, good. So you

860
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: have it and you know, people but oh I talk

861
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: about football. He can mix it up. It's may. You know,

862
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: we could talk a little, you know, music or whatever. Not.

863
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: Greg's gonna probably send me an email. We pride ourselves.

864
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm being a little more well rounded. I mean, you

865
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: don't want it to just be. Connor and I were

866
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: discussing this on Slack the other day. You know, fans

867
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: are ripping on him for he's got the wrong outside

868
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: line inside linebacker for the Packers on his projected Starters

869
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: series and tell him you should answer every tweet with

870
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: take your sweetheart for a stroll this evening. It's it's

871
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: May mid May give up on football for a minute

872
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: with a wrong outside linebacker. It's just somebody's opinion on

873
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: who it should be. And it's like, you know what,

874
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful life. You know, it's a wonderful time

875
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: to be alive. So let's but let's do We'll talk

876
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: a little more football before we get out of here.

877
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: Because we do need to touch on West. Is excellent

878
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: long form piece. And I say this completely educated on

879
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: the matters I read it. It is uh titled the

880
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: Ohio River Offense. Uh it is about uh West. I'll

881
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: throw it to you, but it is in essence you

882
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: dig into the roots of what most people remember or

883
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: see is or how it's known the West Coast offense

884
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: really had its roots in your home state. Well. Bill

885
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: Walsh was the offensive coordinator in Cincinnati in when the

886
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: Bengals were an expansion team and all Brown was the

887
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: head coach. They had a quarterback named Greg Cook, who,

888
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: if you believe Bill Walsh and Sam Wish and the

889
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: people who played for the Bengals and people around the league,

890
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: could have been the best quarterback in NFL history and

891
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: was probably the most gifted quarterback of the era. People

892
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: believe he was more gifted than Joe namath so and

893
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: the handsome man to boot handsome man could have been

894
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people said could have been

895
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: the Marlboro Man. But um so. Greg Cook suffers a

896
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: torn rotator rotator cuff in his rookie season, and to

897
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: meet he had the best rookie season in NFL history

898
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. A lot of his records still stand

899
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: for yards per attempt, yards per completion, et cetera. Tears

900
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: his rotator cuff and really only through his three passes

901
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: again the rest of his career, and that came five

902
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: years later. So that was the impetus for the change

903
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: to the West Coast offense. They brought in a guy

904
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Speaker 1: named Virgil Carter who had no arm. So Bill Walsh

905
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: and Paul Brown decided to do a rollout offense where

906
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: it would be really short passes, precision passes, an extension

907
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: to the running game. And this is what the West

908
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: Coast offense became under Bill Walsh. But it all started

909
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, and Bill Belichick, among other people, has said

910
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: it should be called the Ohio River offense, not the

911
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: West Coast offense. In fact, the first time it ever

912
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: has called the West Coast offense is nineteen eighty five,

913
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Speaker 1: late eighty five. Bill Parcels, who was an adherent of

914
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: power football smash mouth you need big guys, made fun

915
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: of Bill Walsh after the game, is that, how do

916
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: you like your West Coast offense now? Um? And then

917
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: the name kind of stuck and Bill Walsh kind of

918
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: always bristled at the name. He thought it was lazy um.

919
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: Most West Coast offensive coaches think it's lazy. So and

920
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: then Sam Wise, who was Greg Cook's backup, ends up

921
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: being an assistant coach under Bill Walsh, and he becomes

922
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Speaker 1: the Bengals head coach in the early eighties and starts

923
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: the no huddle offense, which is now the offense that

924
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: most of the NFL uses, and at the time he

925
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: was criticized, uh, he had to fight for it. Marv

926
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: Levy before the eight championship game went to the commissioner

927
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 1: and said, basically, I'm been a fake injuries. So Pete Roselle,

928
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: the commissioner at a time, told Sam why she couldn't

929
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: use it, why she had to fight for it. He

930
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: finally got to use it. Two or three years later,

931
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: Marv Leady, Marvel Levy, and Jim Kelly are using the

932
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: K gun no huddle and they get more credit now

933
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: than Sam Wild, which is crazy totally. Not only did

934
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: Levy try to infect the the game, the integrity of

935
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: the game, and one of the biggest games of the season,

936
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: he then basically gets the credit for the offense he

937
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: was trying to stop by faking injuries, having his players

938
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: fake injuries. It's a wild thought. And and believe me,

939
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: a teenage Chris Wesley was not a big fan of

940
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: Marv Levy at the time. Yeah, I I don't imagine

941
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: you would be. And just the the idea that Walsh

942
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: gets all this credit, which he deserves obviously for being

943
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: the architect of the West Coast offense or the Ohio

944
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: River offense, and then you get Marv Levy, who gets

945
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: all the credit on the back end for the Noah

946
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 1: Huddle k gun attack. With them, there's port Sam Wise,

947
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: who really is forgotten now coaching as a in high school.

948
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: And you had a great I thought you ended the

949
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: piece in a in a really excellent way, which again

950
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: proves that I read it um you know, to the

951
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: victor go the spoils. So he gets because they fell

952
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: short in two Super Bowls against the Niners, and it's

953
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: really their own, their own fault. I mean, that's part

954
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: of the pathos of the piece that the Bengals don't have.

955
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: This reputation is so innovative, even though they were because

956
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: Paul Brown in nineteen seventy six walks away leaves the

957
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: sidelines and becomes an own he already was the owner,

958
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: but he decides to give up coaching, and Bill Walsh

959
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: was obviously the most talented coach on his staff. But

960
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: he didn't think Bill Walsh was tough enough, so he

961
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: named Bill Tiger Johnson his successor. Walsh knew then that

962
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: he would be typecasts as an assistant if he didn't leave.

963
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 1: So Walsh leaves, ends up in San Francisco and beats

964
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: the Bengals and both of their Super Bowls, and the

965
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: Bengals have only themselves to blame for that. Connor your thoughts.

966
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: I think it's like, you know, it makes me think

967
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: today then you know how how we're gonna, like if

968
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: if that era is gonna at least force us to

969
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: think deeper about the innovators today and and have like,

970
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: twenty years down the road, who's going to be kind

971
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: of screwed out of credit for something that they came

972
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: up with right now, you know, not to open a

973
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: whole another can of worms, But I feel like there

974
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: are probably a lot of you know, White's out there

975
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: right now. Oh absolutely, and you're you're absolutely right. And

976
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: I think to me, one of the reasons I wrote

977
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: the pieces because well, for two reasons. In nineteen sixty

978
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: sixty nine, Cincinnati was about to hit a golden age.

979
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: The Bengals had back to back Rookies of the Year

980
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: on offense, they had the reigning defensive Rookie of the year.

981
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: They had the coach of the Year. They're moving into

982
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: a new stadium in nineteen seventy along with the Reds.

983
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: The Reds are hosting the All Star Game in nineteen seventy.

984
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: They go on to have the Big Red Machine and

985
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: dominate the nineteen seventies, late seventies w k RP, and

986
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: Cincinnati hits the airwaves, dominates TV for a while. Supposed

987
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: to be Cincinnati's golden age, and they never have it

988
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: because Greg Cook gets injured, Paul Brown doesn't appreciate Bill Walsh.

989
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: So that's one reason. And the other reason is that

990
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: Sam Weis is one of the best innovators in NFL

991
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: the street and it's not seen that way. Very interesting,

992
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, you really got to check this out. NFL

993
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: dot com slash Ohio River Offense a long form from

994
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: West and whether West wants to or not, he's made

995
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: his own bed now because I think we're going to

996
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: see more of these long form pieces from West and

997
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: if you had any hair, it would fall out. I

998
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: would imagine shadowy figure called me over this morning. I

999
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: was about to head the NFL now, so I was

1000
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: just trying to have like a thirty second conversation and

1001
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: and he said, um, hey, do you want to do

1002
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: those once a month? And I said no, I thought

1003
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: he was joking. You pulled to like back to back

1004
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: all night ers, right, yeah, I thought he was joking.

1005
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: And I pointed out, I said no, I I put

1006
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: myself through hell to write it. And he said, well,

1007
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be on your plate now whether

1008
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: you want it or not. And that's why you do

1009
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: podcast MVP right here, there you go, there you go,

1010
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: West wins. Uh the farcical MVP honors for today's show.

1011
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: All right, that's it. Connor, thank you for calling in buddy,

1012
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: anytimes it would be the ghost presence of the podcast.

1013
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: I loved it, all right. Damn the signing offer, Colleen Wolfe,

1014
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, Uh, Colleen, great job and

1015
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: the great Chris Westling and TV behind the Glass until

1016
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: next week. M