1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: So Michael Verie Show is on the air. 3 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: Houston City Council is up to their usual mischief, perhaps 4 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: worse than usual at present, with a proposal because they 5 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: have to get in on the game. They have to 6 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: show that they too are left wing nuts. So you 7 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: have several city council members proposing an ordinance that would 8 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: handcuff our police department. It would prevent officers from being 9 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: able to detain criminals who a hit comes up when 10 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: they run their ID as having an icehold on them. 11 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: So in the country illegally. These are rapist, murderers, pedophiles, fraudsters, 12 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: bad human beings. Houston City Council would have them released. 13 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: What do you think they're going to do when they're released. 14 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: It's not like these hardened criminals are just like you. 15 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: They're going about their business. But you know every Thursday 16 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: at ten am, they take an hour and go commit 17 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: horrible crimes and then come back to their normal lives. 18 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: They don't have jobs. This is what they do. They 19 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: don't have morals that aren't scruples, they don't have boundaries, 20 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: they don't have a conscience. This is what they do. 21 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: Houston City Council is also at the direction of left 22 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: wing nut jobs. And the way this comes down is 23 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: that the Justice Democrats crowd, the Sorrow's crowd calls Rodney 24 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: and he's the local guy, he's the point person, and 25 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: they go, hey, we need Houston City councilor to join 26 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: in on this resolution. We need Houston City Council to 27 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: handcuff the city of Houston because this is the largest 28 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: city in one of the most conservative states in the country. 29 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: We need to be able to say, look at what 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: the City of Houston is doing. And so now you 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: get more moderate states, more purple states, going, well, if 32 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: that's what they're doing there, because they don't want the 33 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: bad guys caught. They don't want the bad guys deported, 34 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: simple as that. And we need to be very careful 35 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: that we are unashamed in publicly stating that that is 36 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: exactly what is going on. This isn't Fourth Amendment, This 37 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: isn't freedom, This isn't liberty. This isn't about the rights 38 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: of the individual and an authoritarian state. This is pure 39 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: and simple about enabling illegal aliens to carry out a 40 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: criminal enterprise in this country. This is about the protection 41 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: of you and your wives, and your daughters and your children. 42 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: It's as simple as that, cut and dry. Trilo Carter 43 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: is a member of the Houston City Council, Twila, Where 44 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: would you say this council's pulse is on this issue 45 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: at this time to the best you can tell? 46 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I can't speak for everyone, but I 47 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: can tell you, you know, based on what we've seen 48 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: and if you saw that, well, the reportings weren't really 49 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: accurate on the public session on Tuesday because I don't 50 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: think they mentioned they being The media mentioned that the 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: large group there were involved with the DSA. Do you 52 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: know what DSA is? I do, Yeah, what is it? 53 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've just heard it talked about. 54 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: Do you well? By definition, yeah, DSA is the Democratic 55 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: Socialist Alliance, right, yeah, yeah. Whatever. So So that big, 56 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: big outrage at City Hall Tuesday evening for public session 57 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: that you know they wanted to be heard. That's that's 58 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: a group that's not people who are maybe intimately concerned 59 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: about their immigrant neighbor. You know, they are on a 60 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: on a on a global perspective because they're looking at 61 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: you know, Minneapolis, or they're comparing Houston to other areas. 62 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know I Like I said, 63 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: I've not seen the proposed of change in the ordinance. 64 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: I've not seen that, so I'm not sure where it 65 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 3: came from or who's who's working on it. 66 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 4: But you know. 67 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a no go for me. I 68 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 3: mean there's. 69 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: If you haven't read it. 70 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: Well, that's a good point, thank you. That's a good 71 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 3: point because why would I based on based on what 72 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: I've seen previously, we can't take the authority away from 73 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: HPD to enforce the law. I'll just say that, okay, 74 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: But you don't have me. 75 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: You don't have a sense of whether city council members 76 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 1: or for this or against this out of the entirety 77 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: of the body. 78 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: No, because it's not been an open discussion. But you 79 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: can you can sense who would be for it or 80 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: against it. You know there are many. Well I'm not 81 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: going to call them out on I'm not going to 82 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: call them out by name. That would not be fair, 83 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: but you know they're I mean, go around the room. 84 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: You know they I. 85 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: Don't sit in the horseshoe, you do. Who is going 86 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: to tell us how they're kind of vote? 87 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a public vote. 88 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and then when if it makes it to that, 89 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: you'll see who votes. But I can certainly tell you 90 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: that I would not be in favor of something that 91 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 3: impacts the ability for law enforcement to do their job 92 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: and keep our community safe. 93 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: But do you suspect the majority of council members would 94 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: or are we just going to play this game if 95 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: we don't have any idea until it passes and then 96 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: we don't know how it passed. 97 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 3: I don't think the majority would, because we're talking it 98 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: impacts the entire population. 99 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: I don't think that. 100 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm I don't think whether it's a good bill or 101 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: not matters. I don't think some of these jack legs 102 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: give a crap about any of that. I think they're 103 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: going to vote the way they vote because Rodney or 104 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: the DSA, or Sorrows or the Houston Chronicle or some 105 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: other whack job group tells them to vote. And I 106 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: think that's been going on for a very long time. 107 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: I used to watch city council members vote on something 108 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: they had no idea what they were voting on, and 109 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: they were forwarda against it because they'd been told to 110 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: before it or against it, and it was shocking. You 111 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: couldn't speak any any sense to them, and I doubt 112 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: that's changed. 113 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 3: Well you have experienced. So I'm not going to certainly 114 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: challenge you on that, because you know I'm as years. 115 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what goes on down there anymore. I 116 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: will confess I don't keep up with it like I 117 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: used to. But I'll bet you've noticed that they're there 118 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: are people. You don't have to name this name because 119 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: this wouldn't be fair to them, right, But I'm sure 120 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: you have noticed that there are people who don't appear 121 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: to be prepared, and yet they do have an opinion 122 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: on an issue, and you wonder, well, how in the world. 123 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: It's like John Lewis who said, I don't when members say, 124 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: read the bill, talk about Obamacare. How do you read 125 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: a two thousand page bill? I mean, how do you 126 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: what's in the bill? How are you going to read 127 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: two thousand bay? Well, how are you voting on something 128 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: it's two thousand pages? Not that the ordinance would be 129 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: two thousand pages, But you wonder if these people have 130 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: even read it, or if someone just told them how 131 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: to think. And that's scary. 132 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: That is scary. That is scary. But yes, no, I 133 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: agree with you that, yeah, that is probably a part 134 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: of the element. But I think on this one, to 135 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: be honest, on this one, I would hope that everyone 136 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: would think about the overall impact, right, the overall impact, 137 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: not you know, if there are vehicles driving around with 138 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: non safety related violations. 139 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: Right. 140 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: They talk about inspection stickers, Well, you know, I've been 141 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: pulled over for speeding and my inspection sticker, you know, 142 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: has has been expired. And I even realize it that 143 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: they didn't pull me over for an inspection sticker. The 144 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: argument might be that I'm not you know, I've got 145 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 3: gray hair. Why would they pull me over? 146 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 4: With Michael Berry, it's not your Mary. 147 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: Serving on Houston City Council for six years gave me 148 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: an intimate knowledge of why our cities are broken. It 149 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: did not inspire me. It was not a field trip 150 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: to my civics lesson education. 151 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: It did not. 152 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: Leave me feeling proud of the future of this country. 153 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: Quite the opposite. I met so many good and wonderful people. 154 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: I remember this one sweet lady. Janice was her name. 155 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: She was probably in her late sixties, early seventies. Back then, 156 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: Janis Gabriel. Maybe she was a She might not have 157 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what mid sixties. Maybe she was the 158 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: neighborhood president of a neighborhood group in Bruce Tatros district 159 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: that became Tony Lawrence's district when Bruce cycled off and 160 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: ran for controller and then Tony Lawrence replaced him. And 161 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: it was in the Near Northwest area, so about two 162 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: ninety and thirty fourth. It's one of those neighborhoods that 163 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: the City of Houston has that we're always the areas 164 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: that broke my heart the most, and I'll describe it 165 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: as best I can. They were neighborhoods that were built 166 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: in the fifties and sixties and even into the seventies. 167 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot of these around. You see him over 168 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: in the Braizewood air the Near Northwest area, some north 169 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: of the Heights. Garden Oaks was at one point similar 170 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: to this, although bigger lots and a lot of those 171 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: have been torn down and made, you know, multi million 172 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: dollar homes, but you had these these these properties. I'll 173 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: take Janis Gabriel's case, and I haven't talked to her 174 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: in twenty years, but she was one of those, well, 175 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: of those people that just broke my heart to have 176 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: to deal with her in what she was going through 177 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: in her community. But she was one of those that 178 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: wasn't going to give up. And so they had bought 179 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: these homes, maybe from the second owner, some of them 180 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: from the first owner. Remember I was there twenty years ago. 181 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: I was there from January of two to January of 182 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: eight elections of one to seven. So some of them 183 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: bought these homes in the sixties and seventies, and now 184 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: they were elderly and they had never moved out. And 185 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: whereas most communities you assume have an appreciation and value, 186 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: a lot of these neighborhoods had not kept pace because 187 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: of the encroachment of the Democrat constituency coalition, and so 188 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: what they did this is kind of like the neighborhood 189 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: where Trayvon Martin ended up trying to kill George Immerman. 190 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: So you had these and these very modest homes that 191 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: were working class white people, some black, not many, and 192 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: some Hispanic second and third generation, but mostly white people. 193 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: And they were working class. It might be a postman 194 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: and a machinist back when we had machinists, a postman, 195 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: a school teacher, and a cob. A lot of these 196 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: types of families plant worker and they had bought and 197 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: you didn't finance your homes for thirty years back then. 198 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: That's a recent phenomenon. Long term financing absolutely fueled an 199 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: explosion and economic growth in this country. So when people 200 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: talk about how other shouldn't have credit, you shouldn't have 201 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: credit cards because credit cards are the devil. Well, that 202 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: is the opinion of an unsophisticated observer. What you're trying 203 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: to say is you shouldn't have things that some people 204 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: can't handle, so the government should prevent you from having it. 205 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 1: That's the same mindset that said the individual shouldn't have 206 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: a gun because some of them are going to use 207 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: them in the commission of crime, or the individuals shouldn't 208 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: be allowed to have more than two thousand calories per 209 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: day because some people are getting really fat, or people 210 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to choose their own sexual partner because 211 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: some people choose to have an affair or be promiscuous. 212 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,239 Speaker 1: This is the same sort of small minded, results oriented, 213 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: anti liberty American that is very dangerous, mostly because they 214 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: don't know they're dangerous. They think they're patriotic, they think 215 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: they're for good against evil, and they are. They just 216 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: don't understand the concept of liberty. Give me liberty before 217 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: you give me freedom. It is only with liberty that 218 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: you can ensure freedom, and any government that promises you 219 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: security will necessarily take your liberty. And there are some 220 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: people who are not very smart, but are very fearful 221 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: and consider themselves very moral. And they're also savers and scrippers. 222 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: They're not people who live beyond their means. They don't 223 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: take on credit, they don't commit crimes, they pay their taxes, 224 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: they raise their kids. They're not terribly interesting, but that's okay. 225 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: We don't need a society of interesting people. They're not 226 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: outliers or problems. But some of them have this idea 227 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: that the government should make other people more like them, 228 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: and that's where we break. That's not a good thing. 229 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: These are the sort of people who are fun to tweak. 230 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: These are the people still worried about Janet Jackson's boob 231 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: in the two thousand and four Super Bowl, because in 232 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: their opinion, that's the end. But anyway, so there was 233 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: a Janis Gabriel, sweet sweet lady dedicated to her little community, 234 00:13:55,240 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: older white lady, and she and her neighbors were very 235 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: concerned about the encroachment of crime. They wanted HPD to 236 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: be active in the area. They were very pro police 237 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: and they had watched their area become more and more dangerous, 238 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: and frankly, most of the white people that were of 239 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: their era had moved out. They had gone to Kingwood 240 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: or the Woodlands, or even up into Cleveland in Liberty 241 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: County in that area, or they had gone out to Berkshire. 242 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: Most of the white people had fled. And you didn't 243 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: know how disgruntled they were when they fled, because they 244 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: didn't hang around. They realized, you can't fix this. Their 245 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: old white people live in Montrose and the Heights feel 246 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: the same way. But these neighborhoods, they weren't Montrose, and 247 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: they weren't the Heights. They didn't have the great restaurants, 248 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: they didn't have the things to commend them. They were 249 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: built by a Kikarillo type person. Cokerolla may have built it, 250 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, but they were built by Johnson Development. 251 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: There were some developers that would build these master plans communities. Today, 252 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: when you think of master playing community, you think of 253 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: High Meadow Ranch. But back then it wasn't that. It 254 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: wasn't thousands of acres and hundreds and hundreds of homes. 255 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: It might be eighty homes in what we would now 256 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: call infill, which is development of tracts of land or 257 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: redevelopment of tracts of land inside the beltway. So you're 258 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: taking little pockets inside the city. You're not going further 259 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: and further out. It's much easier if you're a developer 260 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: to just go one exit further than Copperfield, and Copperfield 261 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: at its time was that development. You just go one 262 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: further than that. And that's the way the city of 263 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: Houston particularly has grown as an unzoned city. The City 264 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: of Houston has continued to develop and go further and 265 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: further and further and take those communities in their ETJ 266 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: so they can suck off their revenues as they've done 267 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: with Kingwood in clear Lake. But I felt, I felt 268 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: for these families, these families in these neighborhoods and particul 269 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: elderly people like this, These are the ones for whom 270 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: you really need to enforce the law. Douglas Griffith is 271 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: the elected president of the Houston Police Officers Union, and 272 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: he has had some strong opinions it was his letter 273 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: that we read earlier to Houston City Council opposing their 274 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,479 Speaker 1: proposed mischievous ordinance that would handcuff officers. 275 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: Doug. 276 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: First of all, where do you think this is coming from? 277 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: Do you think this is Ed Pollard or Trujillo or 278 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: whoever the city council members are who dreamed this up? 279 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: Or do you think, as I do, that this comes 280 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: from outside sources, through either filtered through Rodney Ellis or 281 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: through their contacts, Because in my years on Houston City Council, 282 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: I found that the stupidest ideas were not locally We're 283 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: not local in origin. They came from the SEIU or 284 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: the Soros predecessors, and the city councilmen just wanted to 285 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: be invited back to the conference next year. 286 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 4: Yes, sir, pretty much. This group is a nationwide group. 287 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 4: They go around trying to change laws and ordinances. They 288 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 4: don't have the stroke to go to Austin and change 289 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 4: what they want, So what they do is they go 290 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 4: to little cities or big cities and trying to change 291 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 4: ordinances that handcuff our law enforcement officers and others for 292 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 4: that matter. All they're trying to do is is they 293 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 4: want to use this narrative that traffic stops lead to 294 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 4: bollot offenses against citizens, that we're racially profiling, that it's 295 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 4: all about the far left trying to control what law 296 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 4: enforcement does. And I am not going to allow that 297 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 4: to happen in the City Houston. I am going to 298 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 4: do everything I can to fight against that and anyone 299 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 4: that brings those proposals forward. 300 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: Do you get a sense today these scenes can be 301 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: changed by whipping votes and riling up the public. But 302 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: do you get a sense of the sentiment of city 303 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: council today. I'm assuming the mayor of hoses this. 304 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 4: I would assume that he does. There's just a handful 305 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 4: on their that wants to entertain these groups and sit 306 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 4: down this group ed. Pollard brought this group to me. 307 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 4: I sat down with them. We talked about I mean, 308 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 4: we had several hour conversation, and I explained to them 309 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 4: that we are not going to do anything to handcuff 310 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 4: our officers and that's all this is about. We were 311 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 4: able to come to a conclusion, Yeah, no quote is great. 312 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 4: You can't have quotes anyway, It's against the law. So 313 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 4: that was a neither hear nor there for us. But 314 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 4: to move forward with them. Wanting to prevent us from 315 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 4: making pretext stops is just insane. Besides the fact that 316 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm doing a disservice to community. If 317 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 4: I've got an elderly individual drive around with a headlight out, 318 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 4: I stopped them to tell them, hey, your headlights out, 319 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 4: I'm going to give it that personal ticket. In fact, 320 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 4: very few tickets dive right on the streets because I 321 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 4: went after bad guys. But there's there's someone there that 322 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 4: are going to write those tickets. I understand that. But 323 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 4: nine and a half percent of time they're going to give 324 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: a warning and set them on their way. We want 325 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 4: them to know something's wrong with their vehicle, but to 326 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 4: tell us we can't stop for that is insane. And 327 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 4: we also use those stops to get real bad guys 328 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,239 Speaker 4: off the streets. Once you develop your probable cause that 329 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 4: you make that stop, you don't know what's in that car, 330 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 4: and if you do have some inclinations like you're doing 331 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 4: a narcotics buy or doing something like that, you have 332 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 4: to have that to make that stop. 333 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: So there are two issues at play in this ordinances 334 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: I understand it, and one is inability to detain once 335 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: there's an ice hit that shows up once you run numbers, 336 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: so you wouldn't be able to hand over a guy 337 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: that you know Ice wants to deport and could be 338 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: for a very serious crime. And the second being inability 339 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: to stop for non moving violations. And one of the 340 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: things I've had officers tell me for years is when 341 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: you hear the term non moving violation, it's intended to 342 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: make people think, Oh, they're just bothering someone for driving 343 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: while black. No, that means they don't have a license plate, 344 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: they have a fake license plate. That means the sorts 345 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: of things that also are part and parcel of the 346 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: commission of a crime. 347 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely, we have all kinds of reasons we stop people 348 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 4: every day, and it's it's a tool that's in our 349 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 4: toolbox to go after real bad guys. And you take 350 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 4: that away, then you're going to have lawlesses on the streets. 351 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 4: Now I can everybody's going go, oh, you're over oversteadying it. 352 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: No, I'm not. 353 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 4: We use those very strategically many times to get murders, rapists, 354 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: robbers off the streets. So we need that, we need 355 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 4: that ability to make that stop. Anybody that tries to 356 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 4: block that. I am completely going to go against and 357 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 4: any city council member that chooses to support that ordinance, 358 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 4: I can promise you that AHOU will not support them 359 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 4: in any future endeavors. 360 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: You think this is very important from what I understand 361 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: what I've heard you have said as a measure of 362 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: public security that this ranks pretty high up on the list. 363 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 4: Absolutely, if you want to have safe streets in the 364 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 4: City of Houston, you can't allow groups like this to 365 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 4: come in and stop your ability to fight crime. 366 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to put you on spot. I know you 367 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: don't have data in front of you. You're in a 368 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: meeting right now, and you've been kind enough to step out. 369 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: But let me ask you this in your gut, and 370 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you to ballpark it. If you 371 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: were to say illegal aliens were gone tomorrow, the most 372 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: violent crime versus the person who's never committed a crime 373 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: other than coming here illegally, if you were to remove 374 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: that entire set with a snap of a finger, how 375 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: much of a difference would that make to violent crime 376 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: in our communities? 377 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 4: I think violent crime will drop the percent. 378 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: Wo wow. 379 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: Obviously, you get out to Chapel Hill, Belleville, round Top, 380 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: you're not going to see that you're talking about in 381 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: the urban environment. 382 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 4: Correct, that's where we have centralized gangs, we have these cartels, 383 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 4: we have all this stuff that leads to high violent 384 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 4: crime rates. Our rates are coming down, and I believe 385 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 4: part of that is because the jail is taking many 386 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 4: of these violent offenders who are illegal, undocumented, of whatever 387 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 4: you want to call them, and they're transferring them over 388 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 4: to ICE so that we do not see them back 389 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 4: on the streets. That will lead to lower crime period. 390 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 4: There's no instance abous about it. And as sooner everybody 391 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 4: gets on board with this, the better will be. We're 392 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 4: not going after mom and dad who's working at the 393 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 4: taco stand. That's not what we're here for. We are 394 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 4: here for violent offenders. ICE is here for a bot 395 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 4: hundred figures. And you see, we don't have the issues 396 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 4: in Houston because we are properly transferring them at the jail. 397 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 4: So if we continue to do that, we're gonna be 398 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 4: found here. Do not let these agitators, these clowns come 399 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 4: into our city and make it what it's not. And 400 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 4: some of our city council buy into that crap and 401 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 4: need to stop and shut their mouth and pay attention 402 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 4: to what's going on around us. 403 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: Do you know the Spanish word for clown, Sir, bayaso. 404 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: It's a great word, p a y a p a 405 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: y a s o, I believe, and in Louisiana it's biasso, 406 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: but it's spelled eau X. 407 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 4: Your information to know, sir, If you were. 408 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: I got about forty five seconds if you were to 409 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: talk about if you were to say this someone who 410 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: doesn't understand how a violent crime is affected by illegal immigration, 411 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: what are the primary crimes that you see committed by 412 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: illegal aliens in the city of Houston. 413 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 4: Most of what we've seen has to do with social offenses, minors, robberies, narcotics. 414 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 4: Those are probably the bigger ones. 415 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: Did you see what happened over night at twelve hundred Travis. 416 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 4: I heard that the toilets were wrong. 417 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that officers have nothing to go on. Doug Griffith, 418 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: the Houston Police Officer's Union president, Thank you, sir, Michael, thank. 419 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: You adopted the doc I was vatered. 420 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: That is Willie Nelson's daughter Paula Nelson accompanying him yesterday. 421 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: And there's a show on Serious XM on Willie's roadhouse. 422 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: I think is sixty. 423 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: Three or sixty four that she hosts and will often 424 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: talk about where he's playing, where she's playing, and then 425 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: they spent a lot of Willie Nelson's music, maybe sixty three. 426 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for the father you know that, the 427 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Nat King Cole and his daughter Chestnuts roasting on it. Oh, 428 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for that sort of stuff. I absolutely 429 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: love that sort of stuff. I set a sucker for 430 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: the music. What are you talking about? You're distracted in 431 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: there and you just woke up. I don't even know 432 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: what you're doing. Charles Victor Thompson permanently rehabilitated for murdering 433 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend Glinda Denise Hayslip and her new boyfriend 434 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: Darren Keith Kine back in nineteen ninety eight. It took 435 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: twenty eight years, but damn it, we fried that bastard 436 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: last night. The father of Dennis Kane, the victim of 437 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: this turd, said that after Thompson took his last breath, quote, 438 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: he's in hell end quote. I know everyone loves to 439 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: celebrate complete forgiveness, and they talk about the feeling of forgiveness, 440 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: and I get that. I get that, I understand it, 441 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: and I think that's wonderful and commendable. But I'm not 442 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: one of them, and I'm not going to be one 443 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: of them. I'm one of those people that hopes a 444 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: bastard like this dies and I live long enough to 445 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: see it. Somebody ever causes harm to my family member, 446 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have waited on the system to do it. 447 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: I think we need to be much more free and 448 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: open to giving an audience to the idea of retributive justice, vigilanteism. 449 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: That's why those Charles Bronson movies are so popular. People 450 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: are tired of being victims of crime. People are tired 451 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: of these democrat of these city council members trying to 452 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: keep our officers from catching bad guys. 453 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 2: People are tired of. 454 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: Watching the Joscelyn nungerrays, raped, tortured for hours and thrown 455 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: into a ditch like their trash. And you watch the 456 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: families and they're just grieving and it's gut wrenching, and 457 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: nothing has ever done about it. And if they're is 458 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: a death penalty, it's decades later. People are tired of that. 459 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: People are sticking tired. I am shocked that there are 460 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: not more self defense murders. I am shocked that there 461 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: are not more vigilantes. How many remote? Batman was a vigilani? 462 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: Remote name for me? The top five vigilantes in history 463 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: that most appealed to you are the public Batman. Okay, 464 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: that's one, all right, I gave you that. Uh guy 465 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: fawk No, no guy. Folks was in in England. What 466 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: are you talking about? Uh? They were trying to take 467 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: back the throne. They had they had explosives under the 468 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: ca I don't know that that would qualify Zorro? 469 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 2: Would you can? 470 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 4: Okay? 471 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: Who is in there? Okay, Zorro would be one? 472 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: Okay? Who else? 473 00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: Robinhood wasn't a vigilanti? You goofy? He and his merry men? 474 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't consider that a vigilante. Who else 475 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: you got? Charles Bronson? I don't know why you don't 476 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: mention My dad loved. 477 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 4: Charles John walking through the forest, laughing back and forth, 478 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 4: and what you didn't. 479 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 3: That's to say, all. 480 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: Right, real quick, because we have other stuff to get to, 481 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: We'll open the phone line seven one three nine ninety 482 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: nine one thousand. Best vigilantes in history seven one three 483 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: nine nine nine one thousand. Then who's the punisher? A 484 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: comic book guy. That's a porn star batman, Charles Bronson. 485 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: Zorro is Zorro a vigilante. 486 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember. I just like the z and 487 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: it was he Mexican? What was he? I thought he 488 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 2: was Spain? Spanish? I thought he was on Tonio Bonettas. 489 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: What if you met Antonio Bandettas and he's tired and 490 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: you're on a train to nowhere and he's like, hey, 491 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: nice to meet you. What's your name? And you're like, 492 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 1: I'm Ramon Robles. What's your name is? Like Antonio Benderris 493 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,239 Speaker 1: And wait, you can't be I don't know my dad us. 494 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: You don't even talk like him. And then he goes, no, 495 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: it's all in act, dude, that's all a personality is. 496 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna answer the phone with what we're doing. What 497 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: if he did that? What if all of that was 498 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: a fake? That'd be awesome. That'd be fantastic. 499 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: Call her, you're up. What's who's the great? 500 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: Who's one of the great vigilantes in history? If your 501 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: number ends in ninety four eighty five, you're on the air. 502 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: Go everyone's waiting or or not? Who I don't even 503 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: need a name, just get the name. I don't care 504 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: who it is. Joe, you're up. 505 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 3: Go. 506 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 4: I don't know about vigilady, but he was a serial 507 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 4: care with texture. 508 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: I would say he's a Vigilania. 509 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: That's probably the most glorified character that I recall that 510 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: was a vigilana. 511 00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 2: He's absolutely a Vigilanti. 512 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: It's fantastic they jumped the shark on that last couple 513 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: of rounds. I don't want to run it for you, 514 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: but man, and they just it's like they end Dexter 515 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: and then you have years of no Dexter and they're like, 516 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: let's bring this franchise back. Michael Anthony Hall or Michael 517 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: whatever guy's name. He hadn't really done anything since then. 518 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: Let's do this. Call her, you're up, who's a great Vigilani? 519 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: Oh? This is already a train wreck. Call her, you're up, 520 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: who's a great Vigilani. They can't understand that when he 521 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: goes you're up, John, you're up, who's a great Vigilanti? 522 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? Walking tall? 523 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, be you for tea puss. 524 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: They're now coming out and trying to rewrite the history 525 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: on him and revise that that he wasn't such a 526 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,959 Speaker 1: good guy. I've seen a little of it. I'm not 527 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: convinced just yet. Gary, what was the news name? Gary 528 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: Busey as walking tall man. 529 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 4: That was good. 530 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: David Great Vigilanni. 531 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 4: Jesse, Well, oh. 532 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: They did him wrong. They he's just out there playing 533 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: and they killed his wife and kids. Yes, my favorite 534 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: movie in nineteen seventy six. He's self financed because it 535 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: was five years. He sent a West since a Western 536 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: and Hollywood Wooden finance at Western, so he did it 537 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: himself and he directed it. 538 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 2: Oh what a great movie. Clinton Great Vigilani. She's Reoster Cogberg. 539 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: Oh there you go, John Wayne, Mike Great Vigilani. 540 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 4: Kick Ass. 541 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 2: Who's kick ass? 542 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 4: It was a movie with Nicholas Cage and Aaron Teyler Johnson. 543 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: Ramota says it's a good movie. I haven't seen it. 544 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: Joe Great Vigilani. 545 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 4: Let's keep it realized. Billy the Kid, the true Vigilanite. 546 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: I guess that's one term. Tracy U Great Vigilani. 547 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 3: Mohannon from Hell on Wheels. 548 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know that. Brian Great Vigilani. 549 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 4: Larry Gary Flouchet. 550 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, gosh, what a that's the dude at 551 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: the at the airport in bat rouge. The karate instructor 552 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: took his boy to California. They landed, and he's wearing 553 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: a he's wearing a disguise and he turns and puts 554 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: a bullet in that turret. Oh, it's one of the 555 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: best ones. All right, hang tight, we'll get to your 556 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: great vigilantes coming up.