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Speaker 1: So the one and only Cardi b main appearance on

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Speaker 1: big YouTube channel podcast hot Ones where they like eat

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Speaker 1: hot wings and talk about whatever they talk about, and

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Speaker 1: had some very surprising comments on a favorite historical figure, FDR.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen what stays in my mind for a

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Speaker 4: long time. As there I went to FDR's house. Anybody

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Speaker 4: loves me, know me? I love FDR. FDR yes, And

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Speaker 4: I love Eleanor Roosevelt. And you know how he got

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Speaker 4: us through the Great Depression.

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Speaker 3: With a war.

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Speaker 4: Only president, the guy like the four time while he's

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Speaker 4: in a wheelchair. As I grew up reading a lot

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Speaker 4: about Elinor Roosevelt, she had a very sad life, and

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Speaker 4: like when I went to her her house, well, she

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Speaker 4: she had different houses from her from her husband, because

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Speaker 4: you know, FDR Mama, she was always around like and

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Speaker 4: she ain't really liked that like Eleanor wanted her space,

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Speaker 4: just like me, I want my own space all the time.

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Speaker 4: I saw the room where Churchill and FDR was talking

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Speaker 4: about the nuke. That is crazy to me, like like

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Speaker 4: I'm really here, Like I like, I don't know why

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Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with war. Yes, I'm obsessed with World War two,

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Speaker 4: like I love War War one, like you know, I

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Speaker 4: like reading about that, but World War Two, like I'm

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Speaker 4: obsessed with just learning everything about it. So for me

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Speaker 4: to be in the same room that you're too and

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Speaker 4: FDR was discussing.

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Speaker 3: The nuke is like.

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Speaker 4: It was just such a moment for me.

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Speaker 5: Like, so I already loved Cardi B.

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Speaker 6: I remember, don't forget about that she endors Bernie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but she is also bitching about income tax.

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Speaker 6: I remember that is true, that was these points.

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Speaker 2: Range Republicans at the time. World is right, keep your money.

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Speaker 1: I sides that from my mind. I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: pretend that didn't happen because I love Cardi B. I'm

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Speaker 1: actually I like her music. I'm just like a fan

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Speaker 1: of her in general saga as a history a buff

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Speaker 1: What did you make of face.

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Speaker 3: Comment, Well, I hate to break everybody's bubble.

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Speaker 2: That's basically regurgitating the Hyde Park tour word for word,

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Speaker 2: and that's fine.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like she was very struck, but.

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Speaker 1: She was into the question that she was. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: question she was asked wasn't even about after. It was

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Speaker 1: like her getting a cheese sandwich with Dave Letterman or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And she was like, Oh, that wasn't the thing. This

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Speaker 1: was the thing the thing.

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Speaker 3: For those were wondering.

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Speaker 2: She was talking about the Manhattan Projects, the development of

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Speaker 2: the nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 3: Eleanor Roosevelt. It's true.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Roosevelt, who is FDR's mother, is like the quintessential

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Speaker 2: helicopter mother. Because what happened is is that FDR's father

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Speaker 2: was much much older than Sarah Roosevelt. I think he

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Speaker 2: married her when she was like twenty or something and

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Speaker 2: he was like fifty, So it was like a pretty

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Speaker 2: significant difference. The issue was that she got pregnant Franklin,

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Speaker 2: and then the father got sick, and so because she

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Speaker 2: was so young and they were alone, they were on

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Speaker 2: this vast estate, you know, by themselves, they kind of

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Speaker 2: made it a game about hiding how their father was sick,

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Speaker 2: and the two of them they were more like siblings

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Speaker 2: than like daughter, sorry, like mothered son relationship, which is

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Speaker 2: a problem because Franklin, you know, marries Eleanor Roosevelt, even

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Speaker 2: though at the protest of his mother's His mother wasn't

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Speaker 2: like her from the get go. She was ugly, and

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Speaker 2: they were you know, fifth cousins or whatever, and there

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Speaker 2: was like a rivalry there for his attention and control

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Speaker 1: And Eleanor never felt like she was viewed as adequate

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Speaker 3: Mom and always treated her very badly.

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Speaker 1: It was always tense and uncomfortable, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting industry.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Ellen was very devoted to him for a while, but

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Speaker 2: then she find out that he was cheating on her,

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Speaker 2: and then you obviously they didn't agree in divorce, and

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, I mean, and she was quite extraordinary in

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Speaker 1: of an isolationist there was some tension between them in

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Speaker 1: terms of his desire to enter World War two. So

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Speaker 1: she had her own views and her own like political

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Speaker 1: contacts and her own political life. So I can see

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Speaker 1: why Cardi b as very strong, indepenant woman. Yes, sees

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Speaker 1: her as an inspiration because I think she you know,

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Speaker 1: she is an inspiration. She was an inspiration to a

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Speaker 1: lot of women, a lot of marriage.

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Speaker 3: She was an og independent woman. Actually, she was very

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Speaker 3: politically active.

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Speaker 5: She had her own college.

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Speaker 3: Columns that she's to right in.

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Speaker 2: She actually the most influenced, probably the most influential first

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Speaker 2: lady of her time, because she was massively influential in

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Speaker 2: the New Deal and in getting a blanket on the name.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Francis Perkins, who was the first female

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Speaker 2: Labor secretary, that's right, getting her too appointed, and the

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Speaker 2: two of them teamed up to do a lot of

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Speaker 2: work on the National Youth Administration. They made it a

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Speaker 2: big project of THEIRS during the New Deal to like

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Speaker 2: save a lot of like youth who were suffering under

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Speaker 2: the Great Depression.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, she was an interesting way.

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Speaker 1: FTR really relied on her to be kind of his

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Speaker 1: eyes and ears when he and go places he couldn't

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Speaker 1: go like go into factories and see the working conditions

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Speaker 1: and report back to him. And you know, she maintained

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Speaker 1: a lot of contacts and like you know, the anti

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Speaker 1: war movements and civil rights movements, and so she was

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Speaker 1: of the grassroots and the overall population. So then, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she ends up being influential in terms of the crafting

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Speaker 3: Deal, and not only the un She did a lot

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Speaker 3: of so anyway, yeah, forever, Yeah, so anyway, I'm blank

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Speaker 2: I think it's called The Roosevelts. I think it's from Uh,

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Speaker 2: it's either Ken, it's from PBS. It's like ten episodes,

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Speaker 2: Darren watch it. It's tea.

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Speaker 3: It's a phenomenal series, like yeah, ten hours or so.

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Speaker 1: But I love to say it's cool to see, you know,

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Speaker 1: a cultural icon like Cardi b obviously defying a lot

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Speaker 1: of expectations for what she would want to talk about

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Speaker 1: in this interview, and she's like, you know, no, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to tell you about Dave Letterman's cheese sandwich.

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Speaker 1: I want to tell you about this historical thing that's

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Speaker 1: really captured me.

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Speaker 3: ARDIV, come on the show. Let's talk about it.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, I.

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Speaker 1: Would love that we can talk about taxes too.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 1: Washington Posts had a report on a really troubling epidemic

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Speaker 1: that is really hurting young teenage boys. Put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen from the Washington Post. The headline here

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Speaker 1: is I don't know what to do. Thousands of teen

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Speaker 1: boys are being extorted in sexting scams, an unprecedented number

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Speaker 1: of cases, leaving families devastated.

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Speaker 5: Some of the.

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Speaker 1: Numbers here just to give you the backstory and the

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Speaker 1: idea the way that this usually works. And I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you this is something that I'm aware of happening in

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Speaker 1: you know, my little small town with one of the

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Speaker 1: friends of my teenage daughter is they'll start chatting with

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Speaker 1: some girl, you know, cute girl online and she starts

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Speaker 1: asking sending pictures, asking you to send pictures. Next thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, they send something explicit and then she, which

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Speaker 1: turns out not to be who she's representing herself as

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Speaker 1: blackmails and says, basically, I'll release these photos if you

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Speaker 1: don't pay me X amount of dollars. And you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're this kid, this team will say right, they

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Speaker 1: don't want their parents to know they were sending nudes online,

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Speaker 1: they end up in a horrific situation. The numbers here

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Speaker 1: they talk to this group that serves as a clearinghouse

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Speaker 1: for records of abuse, receive more than ten thousand tips

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Speaker 1: of financial sextortion of miners, primarily boys in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two from the public, as well as from electronic service

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Speaker 1: providers like Facebook, Instagram, and Snapchat. By the end of

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Speaker 1: July twenty twenty three, they'd already received more than twelve thousand,

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Speaker 1: from this is horrific. You've had at least a dozen

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Speaker 1: boys who died by suicide last year after being blackmailed

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Speaker 1: in this fashion. So it's just another way that I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's just so many horrific things happening the kids that

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Speaker 3: That's what really creeped me out of this.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons I thought we were because

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Speaker 2: you had told me that, you know, you would this

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was so widespread. But it actually

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Speaker 2: makes sense because you know, parents, unfortunately, it doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: they're just handing their kids their phone and they're not

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Speaker 2: having any conversations about this. And these kids don't have

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Speaker 2: enough life experience to be like, yeah, some random hot

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Speaker 2: all awesome. I'm like, hey, guys, it's probably not real.

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Speaker 2: Ninety nine point nine percent of the time, it's just

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Speaker 2: not gonna be real. It comes with some life exceps.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's the other thing is not only they

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Speaker 1: don't want to get in trouble, they're embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it's amazing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah I'm probably embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: And you're like, I got fooled by this person to

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Speaker 1: send these photos. I thought she really liked me, you know,

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Speaker 1: I thought this was like a whole thing, and now

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm being blackmailed. And sometimes what they'll do too,

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Speaker 1: is they'll ask for like a relatively small amount of

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Speaker 1: money to start with, and it's like, ari, fin, I'll

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Speaker 1: send you the twenty parts just to like have this

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Speaker 5: And then they just keep upping the ante up.

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Speaker 2: There, like you'll go get your parents' credit card or

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Speaker 2: something like that, but that's awful, or send me crypto.

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Speaker 3: Probably my bad half.

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Speaker 2: These guys aren't even in America because they're technically dabbling

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Speaker 2: in child born too, which is like a whole other thing.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely coat, it's really creepy.

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Speaker 2: I just think that, you know, I honestly, schools need

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Speaker 2: to take charge in this. They need to start doing

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Speaker 2: sessions on this when kids are like eleven twelve years old.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what age kids what age the kids

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Speaker 8: had a great chat. Got to have a quick chat

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Speaker 8: with Mahomes about how every time we're supposed to play

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Speaker 8: each other, it doesn't happen. Aj Hawk was his former player,

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Speaker 8: his former teammate A J. Hawk when they were at

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Speaker 8: the Great Green Bay. Packers was on air as well,

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Speaker 8: and both of as people just saw McAfee and AJ

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Speaker 8: Hawk's reactions were pretty priceless. Mister Pfizer, you know Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 8: Rogers has you know, even appearances on Rogan Show and

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Speaker 8: McAfee's show basically come out as a vaccine skeptic. He's

449
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Speaker 8: kind of railed against woke culture. What did you make

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Speaker 8: of this clip?

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Speaker 10: Ryan just clout chasing Travis now that Travis is like

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Speaker 10: the second most famous person in the world, right, I mean,

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Speaker 10: that's what this is at this point.

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Speaker 3: Do you think he wants Taylor Swift?

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Speaker 10: I mean I think he wants some of the attention probably,

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Speaker 10: Like It's funny how like the NFL thought it was

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Speaker 10: a big deal and then Travis Kelsey started dating Taylor

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Speaker 10: Swift and they realized what an actual big deal it's

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Speaker 10: like because Travis Kelsey, you know, maybe the best tight

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Speaker 10: end in like football history. And but to the Swift,

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Speaker 10: he's like, who is this? Who's this nobody taking taking

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Speaker 10: our tailor?

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Speaker 9: There was an.

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Speaker 8: Amazing post from somebody at a Chief's tailgate who was

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Speaker 8: wearing a Travis Kelcey jersey. It was like a girl

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Speaker 8: and it was spelled Kelsey, like the name the girl's

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Speaker 8: name Kelsey Jersey was on the back. Because clearly they've

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Speaker 8: never heard of Travis Kelcey, don't know much about the guy,

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Speaker 8: but they love him.

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Speaker 10: The only thing I really have to add to this

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Speaker 10: conversation is that if people haven't seen it. They should

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Speaker 10: google his younger brother, Jason Kelsey's his Super Bowl speech

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Speaker 10: that he gave in Philadelpia. Oh that's eighteen.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 10: Jason Kelsey, by the way, possibly the greatest center in

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Speaker 10: football history.

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Speaker 3: Did you watch the HBO documentary? No, you'd really like it.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of good Philly stuff too.

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Speaker 3: I forget that you're an Eagles fan. So you guys

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Speaker 3: really like Jason Kelce.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, and it's it's an incredible it's an incredible speech.

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Speaker 10: You would like just go google Jason Kelce like speech

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Speaker 10: and like that all that'll send you. If it sends

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Speaker 10: you down to Jason Kels here at Kelsey Brothers rabbit hole,

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Speaker 10: it'll be time better spent than some of the other

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Speaker 10: Ann Rodgers rabbit holes that you could probably end up

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Speaker 10: going down.

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Speaker 8: So Aaron Rodgers is a really interesting figure because when

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Speaker 8: he was Brett Favre's backup and far was clearly on

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Speaker 8: the way out and actually ended up in a really

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Speaker 8: similar situation to Aaron Rodgers towards the end of his

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Speaker 8: career with the Packers. Rogers is somebody who's always taken

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Speaker 8: himself so seriously. He was famously kind of jilted in

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Speaker 8: the draft, wanted to play for the Niners and you

495
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Speaker 8: didn't get drafted, and that spot ended up falling in

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Speaker 8: the draft. Becomes this wonderful, fantastic quarterback, but he always

497
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Speaker 8: has taken himself so seriously, except for maybe like the

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Speaker 8: smoke and JA memes. Do you remember that with Jay

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Speaker 8: Cutler back in the day. Those were pretty good and

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Speaker 8: was really sort of well liked. And then towards the

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Speaker 8: end of his career with the Packers starts getting what

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Speaker 8: I think a lot of fansy is an attitude, and

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Speaker 8: that is working at the same time as he starts

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Speaker 8: like also railing against wote culture, not taking himself that seriously,

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Speaker 8: going on McAfee show and going on Rogan and all

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Speaker 8: this other stuff. And it is just fascinating to me

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Speaker 8: how he's kind of We've talked about this the hippie

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Speaker 8: to QAnon pipeline, and I'm not saying that Aaron Rodgers'

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Speaker 8: just QAnon and I'm not saying there's nothing about that,

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Speaker 8: But there is the like the crunchy type of people,

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Speaker 8: surfer type of guy who is now like actually aligning

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Speaker 8: with the right. And then you have some of these

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Speaker 8: more soccer moms who are aligning more with the surfer

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Speaker 8: type hippies on this question of like medical freedom and

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Speaker 8: vaccines and listen, people have very legitimate questions. That's not

516
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Speaker 8: but we're not winging in on vaccines here. It's just

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Speaker 8: an interesting confluence.

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Speaker 10: And yes, I think people that self identify as free thinkers,

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Speaker 10: and I think it's important to understand that that phrasing

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Speaker 10: and that framing used to position themselves on the left,

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Speaker 10: and today, yes, people who self identify as free thinkers

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Speaker 10: position themselves or find themselves positioned on the right now.

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Speaker 10: I also think that people who self identify as free

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Speaker 10: thinker as often are not are a little bit obnoxious

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Speaker 10: and not as free thinking as they think they are.

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Speaker 10: People overrate their own intellectual agency and ought to have

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Speaker 10: some more humility about how free thinking they actually are,

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Speaker 10: because if you call yourself a freethinker that, but then

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Speaker 10: you agree with a particular person on everything, should ask

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Speaker 10: yourself freely, how freely did you arrive at that conclusion?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 10: So, yes, the hippie to QAnon pipeline is a real thing,

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Speaker 10: like we've seen it. We've seen it move, but I

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Speaker 10: don't think it's as simple as people want to make

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Speaker 10: it out to be. And I would encourage people to

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Speaker 10: think more freely about that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I don't think it's like it's not specific

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Speaker 8: to vaccines, and the hippie to QAnon pipeline isn't specific

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Speaker 8: to Aaron Rodgers obviously, But what we're talking about basically

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Speaker 8: is the kind of vendiagram between like conservative soccer moms

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Speaker 8: and hippies where there's this middle ground now where you have,

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Speaker 8: you know, maybe like people like Aaron Rodgers coming down

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Speaker 8: on the same side on particular questions like woke culture

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Speaker 8: and vaccines, and that's where like RFK Junior launching what

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Speaker 8: appears to be a third party bid on Monday, I

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Speaker 8: bet Aaron Rodgers supports r of K Junior.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no question. Yeah, Like this is.

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Speaker 8: A real u there's a real constituency for this, And

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Speaker 8: that doesn't mean everyone's going to do it responsibly, But

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Speaker 8: I do think there are some responsible conversations that can

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Speaker 8: be had because when you again relegate people to the

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Speaker 8: fringes of society who are otherwise like intelligent normal people,

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Speaker 8: you make those you let you allow bad ideas to

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Speaker 8: kind of metastasize in the shadows instead of just like

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Speaker 8: like ESPN should be happy, like seriously, because you should

556
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Speaker 8: be able to have these questions in broad daylight, which

557
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Speaker 8: is how we used to do so that people can

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Speaker 8: then smack it down. Jenny McCarthy stops start saying weird

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Speaker 8: stuff on the view great like the American public and

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Speaker 8: everyone else will weigh in and be like, yeah, no,

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Speaker 8: this is all right.

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Speaker 10: And before people think I'm being too critical of self

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Speaker 10: identified freethinkers, self identified people who quote unquote follow the

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Speaker 10: science are also obnoxious and are also very rarely following

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Speaker 10: the science. So I just want to be equal opportunity here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 8: Criticizing the self identified freethinkers from a hardcore fish fan

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Speaker 8: is a real.

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Speaker 10: Bold move right, and everyone at the Fish Show thinks

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Speaker 10: they're like, you know, breaking from the monoculture, and they

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Speaker 10: all look the same there. So let's just be humble

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Speaker 10: about it, That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: There, you go, all right, Well, we'll see you guys later.

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Speaker 1: So for some time we've been tracking what is a

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Speaker 1: completely insane situation that's been unfolding in Arizona. The backstory

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Speaker 1: here is that companies owned by Saudi Arabia effectively have

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Speaker 1: been putting in place alfelfa farms in the desert in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: soaking up massive amounts of water, using it to feed

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Speaker 1: then this alfalfa to cows in Saudi Arabia. Now, in

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Speaker 1: the country of Saudi Arabia themself itself, you were not

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Speaker 1: allowed to grow water rich, water requiring whatever the word is.

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Speaker 6: Crops like alfalfa.

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Speaker 1: So they exploited some local water usage laws in Arizona

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Speaker 1: to be able to grow these crops use them to

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Speaker 1: feed the cows in Saudi Arabian. And this of course

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Speaker 1: comes at a time when Arizona's facing massive drought, huge

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Speaker 1: heat waves, all of these issues that have created a

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Speaker 1: lot of water usage challenges for Phoenix and for WURL

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Speaker 1: users alike. So put this up on the screen. We

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Speaker 1: actually have some good news. The governor there, Katie Hobbs,

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Speaker 1: shuts down corrupt deal with Saudi Arabia for Arizona water.

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Speaker 1: Huge wind for water rights for Americans in the drought

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Speaker 1: plagued Southwest. So the backstory here is that not only

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Speaker 1: did the company exploit these long standing water usage laws

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Speaker 1: where basically once they got these leases, they could pump

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Speaker 1: as much water as they wanted out of the groundwater

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Speaker 1: supply with zero accountability, without even having to track how

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Speaker 1: much water they're even using. So they exploited those laws

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Speaker 1: and they made sure that they kept this deal in

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Speaker 1: place by effectively buying off the legislators in what for

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Speaker 1: a long time was a Republican dominated state. They had

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Speaker 1: lobbied the legislature and the previous governor. They hired key

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Speaker 1: people with high level connections. One of their top lobbyists

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Speaker 1: had actually served as finance chair for the Arizona Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: They put a former Republican member of Congress on their

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Speaker 1: payroll too, And because for so long it was a

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Speaker 1: Republican dominated state, paying off these key Republican figures worked

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Speaker 1: Now because there's been a lot of press scrutiny and

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Speaker 1: because the situation has become so dire, you've really had

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Speaker 1: a shift. And Katie Hobbs has come in and said

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Speaker 1: she was going to look at it. She put in

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Speaker 1: place a plan and now she's not canceling all of

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Speaker 1: their leases, but she's canceling some of their leases in

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Speaker 1: the hardest hit, most drought stricken parts of the state.

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Speaker 1: And Sager, yeah, I did a monologue on this.

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Speaker 6: A while ago.

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Speaker 1: And part of what you find out too is this

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Speaker 1: is already having a huge impact. Some of the workers

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Speaker 1: who tend the alfalfa fields, they don't even have like

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Speaker 1: drinking water and wells that they can themselves use because

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Speaker 1: the sources have been so depleted. They have to like

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Speaker 1: cart buckets of water for their own personal use.

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Speaker 6: So this has already had a huge effect.

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about parts of Arizona that are you know,

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Speaker 1: have a lot of high level of poverty. They don't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of a lot of local wealth, and

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Speaker 1: so they'd also do things like oh, they buy some

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Speaker 1: little nice thing for the football team or whatever to

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Speaker 1: try to buy off the locals on the cheap. So

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Speaker 1: it's good to see that there's actually progress in the

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Speaker 1: right direction.

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Speaker 2: Ye should cancel all their leases, not just some of them,

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Speaker 2: especially because it's it's already we have issues with private

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Speaker 2: especially in the West water use and land use up there.

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Speaker 3: It's wild because it varies state by state.

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Speaker 2: There's that whole project by the Sam Walton family in

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Speaker 2: order to try and privatize water like oh my god, Tanna, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's all like a whole other story. But at least

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Speaker 2: those people are our sat We could deal with that

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Speaker 2: here with our laws. This is just straight up exploiting

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Speaker 2: the ability to bribe their way into the US. So

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Speaker 2: they don't want to waste their money, I'll go ahead

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Speaker 2: and waste hours in a very similar climate, I would add,

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Speaker 2: in order to feed their cows and their populations. Like, okay,

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Speaker 2: well you can buy it just like any other person.

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Speaker 2: But instead what they do is they buy up their

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Speaker 2: access to the towns, the farms and all that.

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Speaker 3: So it's very basic little things. I am happy.

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Speaker 2: I've been seeing a lot of democratic energy around this

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Speaker 2: in recent times. So Katie Hobbs just canceled this. I

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Speaker 2: got to give the man credit. Fetterman gave a very eloquent,

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Speaker 2: a good speech in Congress about Chinese farmland buying in

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Speaker 2: the state of Pennsylvania specifically, like critical farmland, which was

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Speaker 2: previously owned by American citizens, is a very similar thing.

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Speaker 3: Is a huge problem, actually.

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Speaker 5: A big problem.

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Speaker 2: It's a big problem in Iowa that relates very much

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Speaker 2: to seeds and a lot of industrial espionage stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Because they don't they're a net importer of a lot

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Speaker 2: of their food, umlike us. So anyway, it connects to

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Speaker 2: a lot of bigger stuff, and I'm happy to see it,

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Speaker 2: and it just should be a message like no, you

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Speaker 2: can't just buy your way in here when you're government.

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Speaker 1: And just to give you a sense, for a long time,

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Speaker 1: we had no idea how much water they were using,

666
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Speaker 1: and then the first step forward was like, all right,

667
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Speaker 1: we're going to force you to track it. And they

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Speaker 1: found out they were using in a single year the

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Speaker 1: amount of water that would supply a city of fifty

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Speaker 1: thousand people this one farm just to feed cows in

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia alfalfa wild situation. So it's good to see

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Speaker 1: that there's been I really think a lot of the

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Speaker 1: public security and the public outrage, which was bipartisan, forced

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Speaker 1: this governor to make some changes that are in positive direction.

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Speaker 1: Apparently they have leases in California as well, So this

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Speaker 1: isn't this isn't the only problem, but good to see

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Speaker 1: progress in this direction.

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Speaker 3: Looking at you, Gavin Knew.

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Speaker 2: Some very interesting details coming out about Bob Menendez's wife,

680
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Speaker 2: who has been directly implicated in that alleged bribery scheme,

681
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Speaker 2: getting her hands on a nice brand new Mercedes and

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Speaker 2: allegedly texting the guy who allegedly bought it for her.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not about all that alleged, because there's text.

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Speaker 2: For this beautiful new Mercedes GLC car sounds nice. Well,

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Speaker 2: it turns out one of the reasons that she needed

686
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Speaker 2: a new car. Let's go and put this up there

687
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Speaker 2: on the screen. Apparently, while she was Menendez's girlfriend, she

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Speaker 2: hit and killed a man while driving on Bogata's main

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Speaker 2: street in twenty eighteen. There is apparently this happened in Bogaton,

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Speaker 2: New Jersey. I didn't know there was such a thing

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Speaker 2: as Bogaton, New Jersey, but there it is. And it's

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Speaker 2: only a month after the crash. According to that indictment

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Speaker 2: bought by the US attorney, that she was texting with

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Speaker 2: this Egyptian businessman about the lack of a car, who

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Speaker 2: he then provided her with a twenty nineteen Mercedes Bend

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Speaker 2: C three hundred convertible, a very nice car of which

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Speaker 2: she then purchased, of which she then thanked him for it.

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Speaker 2: Now the details of the crash, it was ruled that

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Speaker 2: she didn't do anything wrong.

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Speaker 3: Here's what they said.

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Speaker 2: They responded to a call of pedestrian hit by a

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Speaker 2: car at seven thirty five pm. The crash occurred on

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Speaker 2: Main Street after a man was fatally injured in front

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Speaker 2: of his home. The police department ruled that she was

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Speaker 2: not at fault with the crash. Mister Coop was jaywalking.

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Speaker 2: He did not crash the street at an intersection or

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Speaker 2: in a marked crosswalks. So this isn't like a tawdry

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Speaker 2: report here about how she was allegedly at fault and

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Speaker 2: there was a cover up or anything like that. It's

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Speaker 2: that the reason she needed a new car, Crystal, was

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Speaker 2: because she was involved in his crash, and it seemed

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Speaker 2: that she seemed very comfortable after losing her car in

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Speaker 2: this crash to then be going to this gentleman allegedly

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Speaker 2: again for the lawyers to be asking for a new car.

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Speaker 1: But there are some eyebrow raising details about the circumstances here.

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Speaker 1: She was not She was not taken in for questioning

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Speaker 1: at the time of the of you know, this fatal

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Speaker 1: accident where a pedestrian ends up being tragically killed.

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Speaker 5: She was not tested for drugs or alcohol.

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Speaker 3: Ask yourself that if.

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Speaker 1: You were in this situation, do you think they would

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Speaker 1: bring you in. Do you think they would do a

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Speaker 1: field sobriety test?

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Speaker 2: At least you or I hit somebody and fatally killed them,

725
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Speaker 2: no matter what the details are. Of course, our asses

726
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Speaker 2: are getting pulled on at night too, just so we're

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Speaker 2: all now you think we're not getting in immediately to

728
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Speaker 2: blow through whatever hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: And apparently some retired nearby police officer ends up on

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Speaker 1: the scene because he says, oh, his wife is a

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Speaker 1: friend of Nadine's. The family very much thinks that there

732
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Speaker 1: was some sort of special deal, cover up, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: They do not feel that justice was done here, and

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Speaker 1: so anyway, there are I think the fact that she

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Speaker 1: there was no field sobriety test done, she wasn't taken

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Speaker 1: in for questioning any of that, I think is very

737
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Speaker 1: eyebrow raising and does suggest some special treatment that ordinary

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Speaker 1: citizens would not likely receive. And there was no there

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Speaker 1: were no news reports of this at the time.

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Speaker 3: Well that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time that we're learning about it

742
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Speaker 1: because it was sort of like alluded to in this indictment,

743
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Speaker 1: and a bunch of local journalists and national press were like, wait, what,

744
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Speaker 1: let's look into the details of it. And like I said,

745
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Speaker 1: there are some very eyebrow raising details contained here.

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Speaker 2: Because she was only his girlfriend at the time, I guess,

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Speaker 2: not his wife, and it was only afterwards that it

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Speaker 2: would have I guess at the time that would have happened.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know the details on it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the police had said that he was jaywalking,

751
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Speaker 2: you know, not in a crosswalk. I'm not saying the

752
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Speaker 2: man deserved to die, of course not. It's a tragic situation,

753
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Speaker 2: so what I had read the details, But the blood

754
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Speaker 2: alcohol thing is.

755
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Speaker 3: Very very suspicious.

756
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Speaker 2: The fact they're not branding, and then of course anytime

757
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Speaker 2: some like retired person is showing up quota as a friend.

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Speaker 2: I mean, once again, anybody here has ever been involved

759
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Speaker 2: in a fender. But it's a terrible experience. You know,

760
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Speaker 2: everyone's stressed and people are mad at each other. It's like,

761
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Speaker 2: it must be nice to have somebody be able to

762
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Speaker 2: show up who's connected on your behalf.

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Speaker 3: So who knows, actually that's true.

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Speaker 2: Really, who knows whether she didn't receive a lot of

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Speaker 2: special treatment because she was the girlfriend of a sitting

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Speaker 2: US senator and then literally getting stuff on his behalf,

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Speaker 2: allegedly as.

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Speaker 3: Laid out in the indictment.

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Speaker 2: Just gross, gross that they there's a totally different standard

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Speaker 2: for these people whenever they do anything.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely it said. She initially agreed to let officers search

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Speaker 1: your phone, then.

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Speaker 6: She took it back.

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Speaker 1: Shortly thereafter, she was allowed to to get personal effects

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Speaker 1: out of the vehicle. This retired cop shows up to

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Speaker 1: help shepherd her through the whole process.

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Speaker 6: Anyway, Yeah, that's me off there, are right.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you guys later.

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Speaker 7: The avocado you're looking at is about thirty days old,

780
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 7: yet it still looks about as ripe as the day

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Speaker 7: it was picked. The source of the magic. It has

782
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Speaker 7: been treated with a new tasteless, edible coating called Appeal,

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Speaker 7: an invisible shield promising to double the lifespan of your fruits.

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Speaker 7: But is there a catch?

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Speaker 11: Appeal Sciences you may remember that it takes left behind

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Speaker 11: plant materials like leaves or peels and blends. They bake

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Speaker 11: them into a kind of shield that you spray it

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Speaker 11: on fruits and vegetables.

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Speaker 5: It keeps them from going bad.

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Speaker 7: Founded in twenty twelve, Appeal is a family of plant

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Speaker 7: derived coating that is applied to keep produce fresher for longer.

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Speaker 7: The company's Food Gone Good mission aims to tackle global

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Speaker 7: hunger and help me to gate climate change by saving water,

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Speaker 7: increasing the shelf life of produce, and reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

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Speaker 7: In the past few years, the company's valuation has skyrocketed,

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Speaker 7: and produce coated with Appeal can now be found in

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Speaker 7: grocery stores nationwide as well as internationally.

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Speaker 12: Monks figured out in the Middle Ages that you could

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Speaker 12: put beeswax on an apple and it lasts a little

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Speaker 12: bit longer. But if you go into a store today

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Speaker 12: and you get an organic apple, it's still got beeswax.

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Speaker 12: And so Peel comes in and says, you know what,

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Speaker 12: Let's use food to solve this problem in a way

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Speaker 12: that dramatically reduces ways.

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Speaker 7: Using food to reduce food wet sounds like quite the

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Speaker 7: scientific innovation, but some in the healthy eating community are

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Speaker 7: beginning to ask questions and voice concerns that I think

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Speaker 7: warrant our collective attention.

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Speaker 13: Did you ever think that your produce would have an

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Speaker 13: ingredient list?

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Speaker 7: Kristen Dornic is a cookbook author and founder of Kristen's Kitchen,

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Speaker 7: a food blog that promotes eating real food. I recently

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Speaker 7: spoke with her to better understand the controversy surrounding Appeals

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Speaker 7: and new innovative so.

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Speaker 13: Appeal is a plant based coating and it's used on

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Speaker 13: produce to keep it fresher for longer, But there's a

817
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Speaker 13: lot of there's a lot of questions about what it's

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Speaker 13: made of.

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Speaker 7: Based on the company's website, Appeal is made of mono

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Speaker 7: and diglycerides, which they say are naturally occurring in all

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Speaker 7: fruits and vegetables, and that this ingredient has a long

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Speaker 7: history of safe conception and has been verified by regulatory

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Speaker 7: authorities around the world. But once you dig a little deeper,

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Speaker 7: I found the answer to be a bit more opaque

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Speaker 7: and a bit more complicated. First off, mono and diglycerides,

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Speaker 7: sometimes referred to as monoacloglycerides, are plant based in the

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Speaker 7: sense that it is extracted from grape seeds through heavy

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Speaker 7: industrial processing at high temperatures, somewhat analogous to the process

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Speaker 7: to extrude seed oils commonly found in ultra processed foods,

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Speaker 7: which serve as emulsifiers or preservatives to enhance texture, stability,

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Speaker 7: and shelf life of food products. Such substances are considered

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Speaker 7: by the FDA to be generally recognized as safe or gross.

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Speaker 7: What most people don't know, maybe, is that grass certified

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Speaker 7: ingredients means that the companies themselves are self certifying the

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Speaker 7: safety of the substances through their own hired experts in

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Speaker 7: their own trials and submitting a grass notification to the FDA,

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Speaker 7: and ninety nine percent of the time the company's claims

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Speaker 7: are not independently verified by the FDA. It's what's known

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Speaker 7: as a loophole. And if we look closely at appeals

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Speaker 7: gross notice submission to the FDA, the industrial process they

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Speaker 7: use to extract monoacloglycerides from grape seed leaves residue of

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Speaker 7: processing aid residuals such as ethyl acetate and hebtaine, along

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Speaker 7: with heavy metals like palladium, arsenic, lead, cadmium, and mercury.

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Speaker 7: A recent European Food Safety Authority review of monoacoglycerides E

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Speaker 7: four seven to one concluded that while there is no

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Speaker 7: reason for a safety concern, they also warned that the

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Speaker 7: potential exposure to toxic elements resulting from the consumption of

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Speaker 7: E four seventy one could be substantial and the need

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Speaker 7: to lower the current maximum limits for arsenic, lead, cadmium,

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Speaker 7: and mercury. It does sound like a lot of scarymicals

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Speaker 7: that we probably don't want in our food.

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Speaker 13: No, this is something that is eventually going to be

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Speaker 13: put on all produce. You're not just getting exposed to

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Speaker 13: a little bit here and there. You're getting exposed to

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Speaker 13: a lot. You know, it's on organic produce too.

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Speaker 7: In a now deleted Instagram post, Appeal co founder Jenny

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Speaker 7: Due defended her company's use of chemicals.

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Speaker 6: Everything around us is chemicals.

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Speaker 3: You and I are all made of chemicals.

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Speaker 8: In fact, even more amazingly, we are all made of

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Speaker 8: star stue.

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Speaker 7: Cool. The star stuff that she's referring to, once again,

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Speaker 7: based on her own company's registration with the EPA, is

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Speaker 7: classified as a pesticide. That's right, organ Appeal, which is

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Speaker 7: appeals organic formulation that the company uses to quote organic produce,

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Speaker 7: comes with a massive warning label and considered to be

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Speaker 7: a hazard to humans and domestic animals.

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Speaker 3: On top of that, the EPA.

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Speaker 7: Registration raises even more questions about the ingredient lists, as

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Speaker 7: it lists the active ingredient as citric acid ato point

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Speaker 7: sixty six percent and other ingredients at ninety nine point

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Speaker 7: three four percent. But putting aside ingredients and chemicals for

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Speaker 7: a second, are there other health implications if All of

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Speaker 7: our produce is coded with appeal.

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Speaker 3: How do you know when that apple was picked?

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Speaker 13: Was it picked three days ago or was it picked

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Speaker 13: thirty days ago?

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Speaker 3: You can't tell.

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Speaker 13: Because the outside it looks it still looks pretty good

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Speaker 13: because of that coding.

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Speaker 7: Because appeals barrier coating halts the visual decay of fruits

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Speaker 7: and vegetables. The next question consumers have been asking is

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Speaker 7: does it lock in the nutrients too? It has been

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Speaker 7: well documented that most produce loses thirty percent of nutrients

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Speaker 7: three days after harvest. In fact, University of California studies

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Speaker 7: show that vegetables can lose fifteen to fifty five percent

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Speaker 7: of vitamin C, for instance, within a week. Now, I know,

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Speaker 7: we've just covered a whole lot of claims about appeal

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Speaker 7: from chemicals to nutrients, which beyond mainstream fact checkers like

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Speaker 7: those from the Associated Press reiterating that the FDA considers

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Speaker 7: appeals coding to be safe for human consumption and correcting

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Speaker 7: a post that erroneously confused appeals code with a cleaning

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Speaker 7: solution with the same name. Appeal themselves have not really

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Speaker 7: publicly addressed much in terms of these claims and concerns.

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Speaker 7: Until now, I had the opportunity to sit down with

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Speaker 7: Appeals co founder Jenny Doo and the company's VP of Marketing,

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Speaker 7: Lauren Sweeney to try to get to the bottom of

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Speaker 7: some of these concerns. We've just covered the mystery ingredients

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Speaker 7: of appeals organic formulation, the ninety nine point three four

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Speaker 7: percent other they say is just purified mono and diglycerides,

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Speaker 7: which is the same ingredient in their non organic formulation,

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Speaker 7: along with food grade sodium bicarbonate. In regards to the

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Speaker 7: publicly available grass submission and other patent submissions that we've

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Speaker 7: referenced in this piece, the company states that they quote

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Speaker 7: do not represent our current manufacturing processes. Neither heptane nor

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Speaker 7: ethyl acetate are used in our manufacturing process and heavy

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Speaker 7: metals are also not intentionally added to the product. In

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Speaker 7: a follow up email, miss Sweeney reiterated that quote. With

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Speaker 7: almost a century of safety use as a food additive,

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Speaker 7: rigorous purity and safety standards, and low levels of exposure consumption,

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Speaker 7: it is very unlikely that there would be any long

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Speaker 7: term health hazard related to the consumption of our product

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Speaker 7: on produce. They also revealed that in order to comply

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Speaker 7: with the new EU standards, reflective of the notes in

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Speaker 7: the SS study that we reference earlier. The company has

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Speaker 7: quote already conducted testing on finished formulations that show we

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Speaker 7: are already conforming to those forthcoming revised specifications. Misdew and

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Speaker 7: miss Sweeney also shared that in addition to protecting produce

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Speaker 7: against visual decay, Appeal also locks in nutrients better than

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Speaker 7: produce without their coding. When comparing, for example, appeals protected

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Speaker 7: blueberries with unprotected blueberries, all of which were harvested at

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Speaker 7: the same time and from the same lot, appeal protected

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Speaker 7: blueberries maintain higher vitamin C levels and over a longer

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Speaker 7: period of time. And there you have it. I obviously

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Speaker 7: can't tell you who to believe, but I do want

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Speaker 7: to say that I'm very grateful that Appeals senior leadership

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Speaker 7: has made the decision to actively participate in this discourse,

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Speaker 7: and I hope they continue to do so going forward. Now,

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Speaker 7: moving away from the science for a second, let's talk money,

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Speaker 7: because I don't think we can ignore Appeal's appeal.

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Speaker 3: I think Appeal's got a break future to one today.

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Speaker 9: Were able to raise twitter and fifty million.

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Speaker 11: Last month at a billion plus valuation.

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Speaker 7: That's right. Appeal has attracted a number of high profile investors,

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Speaker 7: including celebrities Katy Perry and Oprah Winfrey. Other investors listed

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Speaker 7: on the company's website include the Who's Who, a venture capital,

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00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 7: as well as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the

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00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 7: latter of which has been on a spending pair tens

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Speaker 7: of billions of dollars over the past decade in what

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Speaker 7: some would describe as a coordinated plan to consolidate control

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Speaker 7: over the world's food supply. Now, how does Appeal fit

942
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Speaker 7: into this equation or does it fit at all? Just

943
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Speaker 7: something to think about. Appeal has also been recognized as

944
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Speaker 7: a World Economic Form technology pioneer and is a part

945
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Speaker 7: of the World Economic Form Global Innovator's community. The company's

946
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 7: CEO and co founder, James Rogers, is also a World

947
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Speaker 7: Economic Form Young Global Leader conspiratorial insinuations aside, it is

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Speaker 7: at the very least I think concerning that direction of

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Speaker 7: where our food system is going, which is, I think

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Speaker 7: in a direction that seemingly favors a shift from localized,

951
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Speaker 7: community level farming to top down globalized industrial farming, where

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Speaker 7: the food supply necessarily becomes more centrally controlled and further

953
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Speaker 7: removed from the communities that consume it. This is just

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00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 7: my personal opinion, but without an active mission to empower

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Speaker 7: local farmers and dismantle a food system that has been

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00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 7: financialized to the degree that we as consumers have no

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00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 7: idea or almost no idea, where our food is coming

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Speaker 7: from or what's in it, it would be difficult to

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Speaker 7: see how Appeal and its current incarnation would be able

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Speaker 7: to do much more than co opt what I think

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Speaker 7: are legitimate concerns like climate change and food insecurity as

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Speaker 7: a means to make its investors a little bit richer,

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Speaker 7: but a last Regardless of where your personal thoughts lie,

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Speaker 7: whether you think a product like Appeal is a positive

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Speaker 7: game changer, a part of a noble effort to end

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Speaker 7: global hunger or battle climate chain, or if it encapsulates

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Speaker 7: everything that's gone wrong with our food system in the

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Speaker 7: last half century. I hope this segment brings about more

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Speaker 7: discussion and more discourse and the importance of food and

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Speaker 7: the need to advocate first food system that is truly

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Speaker 7: designed for the people. That's it for me this week.

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Speaker 7: Please comment below share your thoughts about Appeal and about

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00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 7: our food system. If you found this segment to be helpful,

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Speaker 7: James Lee. The link will be in the description below.

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Speaker 7: Your support would mean a lot to me, of course,

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Speaker 7: keep on tuning into breaking points and thank you so

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Speaker 7: much for your time today