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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty Armstrong and Jetty,

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Speaker 1: and he Armstrong and Jetty.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot not being said, and that's intentional. There's

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Speaker 2: a delicate balance between informing the public and soliciting their assistance.

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Speaker 2: Because there's millions of eyes in the United States. I

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Speaker 2: can share leads with the FBI, which is desperately needed,

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Speaker 2: but also not tipping your hands. So everything that's being

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Speaker 2: said is being engineered by the Crisis Negotiation Unit, which

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Speaker 2: is specialized unit out of Quantico, Virginia.

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Speaker 3: That's a little analysis on MSNBC this morning of the

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Speaker 3: investigation into the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. Why is Fox

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Speaker 3: got a correspondent in a car with a camera driving

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Speaker 3: between Annie Guthrie daughter in Nancy Guthrie's house right now?

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Speaker 3: What are they speculating about there?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. The voice you heard was Christopher o'lary.

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Speaker 1: He was addressing in part the bashing of the police

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Speaker 1: chief for his press conferences, and Jack is a referenced

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Speaker 1: several times recently. It's a real amateur hour there. He

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Speaker 1: said nothing of the press conference, of the criticism on

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Speaker 1: cable TV and in other places. He was trying to explain, No,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot you don't want to say, which is interesting.

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Speaker 1: This guy's about the best analysis analyst I've heard so

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Speaker 1: far on this stuff. He's not a showman. He's not

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Speaker 1: a you know, a blabbering jackass. Speaker of blabbering jackasses.

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Speaker 1: The rich and famous who continued their relationships with Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 1: why what was the motivation? I think it was not

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Speaker 1: nearly as mysterious as people think. Anyway, back to froh

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Speaker 1: Leary next clip.

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Speaker 2: Michael, Unfortunately, they have a ton of experience at that.

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Speaker 2: There are really kidnapped for ransom almost every week that

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Speaker 2: they deal with, usually in places like Mexico, Central America,

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Speaker 2: South America, across Africa. But they're used to these rapidly

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Speaker 2: evolving crisises and engaging with the captors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's talking about the crisis negotiation unit that had

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Speaker 1: referenced still earlier. That's interesting. They deal with another kidnapping every.

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Speaker 3: Week, although that includes other countries. Because when he first

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Speaker 3: said that, I thought, holy crap.

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Speaker 1: But okay, yeah, Americans in those other countries, but we

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Speaker 1: didn't mention that they confirmed the red droplets in the

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Speaker 1: front steps were Mom's blood. They confirmed that yesterday. That's

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Speaker 1: not good. Yeah, that's definitely not good. Next clip, Michael.

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Speaker 2: The one concerning thing is we don't have a line

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Speaker 2: of communication established with the captors right now, and that

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Speaker 2: needs to change because you cannot negotiate this release, and

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Speaker 2: certainly with the serious concerns about Missus Guthrie's advanced years

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Speaker 2: and medical conditions that have been stated, those are things

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Speaker 2: you want to get ahead of, and time is of

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Speaker 3: You know what I'd really like to know, and they

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Speaker 3: probably shouldn't tell us, but I'd like to know how

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Speaker 3: often kidnappers are successful with this. They get the money,

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Speaker 3: they return the person, and they get away with it.

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Speaker 3: I wonder how on the US, specifically the United States.

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Speaker 1: I got to think it's very very low. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: would guess it's increasing because of cryptocurrency. That's got to help. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So he mentions at fair length that family members or

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Speaker 2: Then you will get the more the doorbell camera was disabled,

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Speaker 2: which shows a or suggests a certain level of sophistication

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Speaker 2: somebody that we think is local or what the concern

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Speaker 2: she was potentially taken by a Mexican kidnapped ransum organization

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Speaker 1: And so the FBI being brought in here and number one.

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Speaker 2: Has the authorities to do this both domestically across state

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Speaker 3: If you don't know your US geography, two sons right

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Speaker 3: But on one hand, okay, they disconnected the camera sounds

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a disconnect there. You know, some loser

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Speaker 3: That doesn't sound hugely sophisticated. I might think of that.

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Speaker 3: And I've never contemplated a kidnapping in my life.

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Speaker 1: Eighty four year olds just don't start bleeding and then

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Speaker 2: The other thing is, did somebody have a personal grievance

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Speaker 2: corporate Security, which is staffed by a bunch of former

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Speaker 2: the ground to determine if Savannah had any previous threats

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Speaker 2: but are looking at missus Guthrie as a target of opportunity.

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Speaker 3: I was listened to an expert yesterday who said oldsters

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Speaker 3: don't get kidnapped very often, but every once in a

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's more specific than I'm willing to get. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: bit off way more. Horrible horrible, horrible, horrible.

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Speaker 3: Most of the time, all these stories have just such

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Speaker 3: a disappointing what a waste ending there are There always

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Speaker 1: Do you even do it? Yeah, two thoughts on that one.

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Speaker 1: me for all of my days. I'm pretty sure about how.

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Speaker 1: It's the disproportionality paradox. I think they called it that.

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Speaker 1: So many assassinations or major moments in history are half

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Speaker 1: wit loaners who do something extreme, and people can't comprehend

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Speaker 1: and that's really common.

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Speaker 3: The idiot that killed Charlie Kirk. You kind of feel

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Speaker 3: like a guy like Charlie Kirk deserves a better story, yes,

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Speaker 1: And I've told this story before, but it made a

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Speaker 1: Mike Royko was a brilliant columnist for the Chicago Tribune.

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Speaker 1: He was robbed at gunpoint on a street. Guy stuck

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Speaker 1: That's just wrong. And that was the overwhelming emotion he

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Speaker 3: That is wrong, and that's where the just painful grief

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Speaker 3: comes from. And how right way we've got.

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Speaker 1: To punish the crap out of people who do that

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Speaker 1: sort of thing. Lefties, Marxists, blue states and cities. All right,

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Speaker 1: now I'm angry. You got a completely different thing.

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Speaker 3: After this, somebod came up with a good name for

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Speaker 3: So they're opening up the naming of a baby elephant

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Speaker 3: at the zoo, well kind of with the full understanding

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Speaker 3: that you can't trust people. They'll come up with names

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Speaker 3: like Bodie mcwaite, boat face or whatever. Anyway, somebody suggested

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Speaker 3: Ivory Trunkerson, Ivory Trunker and son. It's pretty good. Ivory Trunkerson,

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Speaker 1: Stampy mctrunk face. Do you have that handy, that Tony

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Speaker 1: Coppolo thing. It's short, it's pretty funny. Could you play

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Speaker 1: Naming the elephant you can't trust people.

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Speaker 4: Twenty five National Zoo has welcomed a new baby elephant,

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Speaker 4: the first there in twenty five years, described as alert

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Speaker 4: and bright eyed, weighing in at three hundred and eight

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Speaker 4: pounds at birth. Fans can now vote to name the

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Speaker 4: new elephant on the zoo's website, but We all know

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Speaker 4: how this sort of thing has gone.

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Speaker 1: In the past.

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Speaker 4: When Greenpeace asked for help naming an endangered whale in

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Speaker 4: two thousand and seven, mister splashy pants.

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Speaker 1: Is what the public chose.

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Speaker 4: Then we got body mcbote face in twenty sixteen, when

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Speaker 4: the United Kingdom asked the public to vote on names

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Speaker 4: for our research vessel of all things that inspired the

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Speaker 4: National Zoo is asking for the public's help naming this

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Speaker 4: beautiful new elephant. But you only get to choose between

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Speaker 4: four options. The zoo has already approved this zoo is

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Speaker 4: apparently not interested in your America for trunky mctrunk face.

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Speaker 3: Mister splashy pants, you gonna end up with more and

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Speaker 1: Something serious going on? It's an op, dude. I do

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Speaker 1: MIT professor, who said in twenty twenty three the transfer

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Speaker 1: involved movement of his own funds and wasn't a payment

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Speaker 1: from Epstein. When asked about his relationship with Epstein, Chemsky

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Speaker 1: told The Wall Street Journal, first response is that it

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Speaker 1: is none of your business or anyone's. Second is that

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Speaker 1: I knew him and we met occasionally, and he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: comment beyond that. One troubling.

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Speaker 3: Facet of human nature that seems to be pretty true

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Speaker 3: for a lot of people, most people, is.

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Speaker 1: You can.

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Speaker 3: Rationalize things in your head when you really want them,

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Speaker 3: when you want a certain result. It seems like we

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Speaker 3: all can do that, And I don't know from an

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Speaker 3: evolutionary standpoint why we have the ability to do that.

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Speaker 3: But you know, if you really want this job, relationship,

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Speaker 3: chunk of cash, house, outcoming a trial, whatever it is,

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Speaker 3: you can rationalize all kinds of things that you might

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Speaker 3: initially known we're wrong or bad, but you have twist

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Speaker 3: in your head some sort of convoluted logic to come

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Speaker 3: up with a way to get there.

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Speaker 1: And apparently we all can do that. Yeah, some a

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Speaker 1: little and some a ton. I think. Yeah. And now

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Speaker 1: if we take a fairly timely break, there's all sorts

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Speaker 1: of interesting news from the world of AI we could

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Speaker 1: touch on. We want.

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Speaker 3: I love the idea that we got a late night

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Speaker 3: joke off about the Olympics. I'd like to get to

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Speaker 3: at some point let's do that, So stay tuned. We

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Speaker 3: won't get to some of that AI stuff at some point.

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Speaker 3: We got a whole nother hour of show left, hour

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Speaker 3: four that we will get to, which will include clips

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Speaker 3: of the week.

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Speaker 1: Here's your keep you interested. Note from the AI thing.

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Speaker 1: They're spending zillions of dollars and there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of companies spending tremendous amounts of money. A lot of

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Speaker 1: it's borrowed, and a lot of it's borrowed from banks,

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Speaker 1: including Big Banks, and a lot of the companies that

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Speaker 1: are going to be decimated perhaps by AI are borrowing

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Speaker 1: big from big banks. What if that all went kerb

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Speaker 1: Bluey Anyway Station.

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Speaker 3: So the opening ceremony the Winter Olympics tonight, looking forward

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Speaker 3: to that.

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Speaker 1: I always like watching that. I don't know why. I

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Speaker 1: get a kick out of watching.

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Speaker 3: Young people from all these different countries and you know,

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Speaker 3: so excited to be there. You know, the United States,

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Speaker 3: you become a big star and you're you're playing in

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Speaker 3: front of draive Skys. But most of these athletes from

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Speaker 3: these little countries, they've never been in a stadium like that,

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Speaker 3: full of people and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I just love that. Well, and a lot of the

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Speaker 1: American kids are in obscure sports too. And then you

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Speaker 1: see our big team in the red, white and blue.

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Speaker 1: It's fun. But yeah, countries march out and you're like,

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Speaker 1: that's a country and they got two guys, but those

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Speaker 1: guys are super excited. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of charming. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, the late night talk show hosts tried to make

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Speaker 3: some jokes out of the Olympics. And we do this

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Speaker 3: thing where we gather all the different jokes and have

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Speaker 3: a late night joke off.

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Speaker 1: How does this work, Joe jack I will be grading

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Speaker 1: each attempt at humor and the bottom grade getter will

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Speaker 1: be banned from comedy for life. Let's here, Michael. The

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Speaker 1: opening ceremonies for the Winter Olympics.

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Speaker 7: The most accomplished amateur athletes from all the countries in

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Speaker 7: the world who hate us are gathered in Italy right now.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you nothing gets me going more than spandex

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Speaker 7: clad Lithuanians on a nine hour tape delay.

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Speaker 8: The Winter Olympics opening ceremony.

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Speaker 1: And fat skater.

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Speaker 8: Aaron Jackson and Bob's letter Frank Delduca will be the

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Speaker 8: flag bearers for Team USA.

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Speaker 1: Aaron says she's thrilled.

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Speaker 8: Well, Frank said, it'll be tough to perform with that

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Speaker 8: three other guys pressed against him.

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Speaker 1: It's like turn you know Kimmel shockingly with an A minus.

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Speaker 1: Its pretty It started bad, but it got better. Fallon

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Speaker 1: with a C and that's generous because I like him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Myers winning with an A. Congratulations Seth Myers. That was

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Speaker 1: the by athletes that there was short and punchy. Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Jimmy you're banned from comedy for life.

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Speaker 3: So the last I don't know how many opening ceremonies

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Speaker 3: have included Savannah Guthrie of NBC, and she's not going

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Speaker 3: to be there tonight for obvious reasons. Do you think

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Speaker 3: they'll reference that at all? Is it just such a

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Speaker 3: downer that you'd I don't know how you handle it.

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Speaker 3: I think they will.

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Speaker 1: I think they will say something to the effect of

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Speaker 1: our colleague Savannah Guthrie was supposed to be here. I

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Speaker 1: think we all know that Ordealer family is going through

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Speaker 1: and want her to know she's in our thoughts and prayers.

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Speaker 1: So here's Al Roker, right, here's Al Roker and spandex

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Speaker 1: clad Lithuanians.

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Speaker 5: You don't think they'd say, if you have any information

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Speaker 5: on the case, call such and such a number two much?

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 3: I think used to be Matt Lauer and Savannah Guthrie

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Speaker 3: all the time. Then he got caught in a sex scandal.

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Speaker 3: You don't think they'll throw in. I think the brother

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Speaker 3: in law did it. You don't think they'll throw that in.

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Speaker 3: I doubt it.

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Speaker 1: So why do you think so?

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Speaker 3: I mentioned this earlier? So I'm watching Fox and they

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Speaker 3: had a reporter in a car driving from brother in

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Speaker 3: law's house to missing mom's house the entire way and

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Speaker 3: talking about how far it is, how close it is,

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Speaker 3: what the roads are like, what are.

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Speaker 1: They what are they suggesting there? I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. I just I'm reminded of an

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Speaker 1: old boss of ours, so many many years ago, who said,

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Speaker 1: these stories, you gotta it's like waves in Malibu. Now.

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Speaker 1: I'd never spent a single second of my life in

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Speaker 1: Malibu at that point, and I had no idea what

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Speaker 1: he's talking about. But he said, you know, sometimes there's

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Speaker 1: big waves, some days there's little waves. Sometimes they're tiny waves.

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Speaker 1: But you got to keep the waves going to keep

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Speaker 1: people interested in the store. Man, because there's interest here.

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Speaker 3: That's some well there is interest in the story, no doubt,

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Speaker 3: but that's some thin gruel of We're going to ride

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Speaker 3: in a car between the two houses so you can

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Speaker 3: see the actual road.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this gives me nothing. We're going to show you

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood. We're going to drive you along the route

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Speaker 1: that the kidnapper almost certainly took, as it's the only

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Speaker 1: way out of the subdivision. That sort of thing, that's

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Speaker 1: what they'll go with. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The biggest news to yesterday to me was those red

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Speaker 3: droplets were her blood.

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Speaker 1: That is bad news.

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Speaker 3: I mean the fact that she was bleeding as she

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Speaker 3: was taken out of the house not good, you know, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: it's not good.

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Speaker 1: Of course it's not good. You get somebody that old.

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Speaker 1: They they wouldn't take much of a Joscelyn before they

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Speaker 1: were bleeding a little bit. I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: blood there was, but yeah, it's terrible. It's absolutely terrible. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I want edition music, but I wonder how it's not done.

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Speaker 3: I wonder how many days we all hang on to

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Speaker 3: this story because we could be at the end of

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Speaker 3: new information very quickly, already.

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Speaker 1: Could grow cold. Yeah, yeah, that would be horrible, but

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Speaker 1: it's certainly possible. Yeah. Again, I call for transition music.

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Speaker 1: The great Roger Miller. I wish I'd learned to play

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Speaker 1: the saxophone in my youth. It's still late now, it's

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Speaker 1: not too late. Now, it's too late. I'm old. Everybody

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Speaker 1: knows that I took up the piano a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago. I enjoyed every day, And what good hasn't

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Speaker 1: done you enjoy and good for your brain.

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Speaker 3: I sit in my bedroom singing songs playing the piano

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Speaker 3: every night.

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Speaker 1: Oh that sounds fabulous, but it's too late for me,

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Speaker 1: as I think I mentioned so. On the other end

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Speaker 1: of the life scale, Katie came up with this. We

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Speaker 1: actually the other day on the Armstrong You Get any

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Speaker 1: One More Thing podcast, we had an absolutely charming conversation

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, about baby's laughter and that scientists are

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Speaker 1: finally starting to recognize laughing as a significant developmental milestone

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Speaker 1: and then trying to provoke laughter as another milestone. The

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Speaker 1: more you think about it, the more you realize, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, that's an incredibly sophisticated thing for a creature's

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Speaker 1: brain to do. Yeah, that's a milestone. Thought it was wonderful. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Another one newborns. Well, here's the headline, which oddly sounds

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Speaker 1: like the line to a song. Babies are born ready

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Speaker 1: for rhythm, while melody takes time. Actually you get the

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Speaker 1: rhythm was off there. Melody takes time. Anyway. According to

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Speaker 1: the study, newborns can predict musical beats within the first

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Speaker 1: two days of life. What how did they put figure

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Speaker 1: that out? They gave them drumsticks, put them behind a

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Speaker 1: drum set, get busy kid, play along, all right, dick,

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Speaker 1: But the brain showed no response to melodic patterns. Stupid,

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Speaker 1: stupid babies. They had forty nine babies listening to bach

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Speaker 1: piano pieces while scientists measured their brain waves using EEG technology.

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Speaker 3: Oh is this bad news for parents that I know

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Speaker 3: in the kind of town I live in who played

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Speaker 3: classical music for their baby with the idea.

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Speaker 1: That that was going to turn them into geniuses. Ah,

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Speaker 1: it probably won't. But two day old babies can already

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Speaker 1: sense when a musical beat is off, but their brain

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Speaker 1: shows a little sign of tracking melodies. That's the main

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Speaker 1: finding from research that recorded brain activity in forty nine

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Speaker 1: sleeping newborns while classical piano music played through tiny earphones.

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Speaker 3: That story is your newborn is sleeping, so take a

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Speaker 3: nap or clean the kitchen.

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Speaker 1: God, you study them if you want. I'm grabbing an

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Speaker 1: app Yeah. Scientists discovered the babies into the world ready

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Speaker 1: to groove to rhythm, but learning to appreciate a tune

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Speaker 1: tune takes much more time. Study helps explain to my parents.

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Speaker 1: Instinctively rock, bounce and sway with fussy infants. Babies appeior

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Speaker 1: especially tuned to rhythm. I think we've known that for

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Speaker 1: a long time. It's because there's a sway in the

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Speaker 1: in uterow the you know, the summary of it is

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Speaker 1: really all you need to know. So this is a

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Speaker 1: shot at drummers. So what you're saying is even babies

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Speaker 1: can play the drums. What do you call an idiot

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Speaker 1: who hangs around musicians? Yes, but so not fair. The

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Speaker 1: physical structures needed for processing pitch also takes time to mature.

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Speaker 1: Adult brains can distinguish subtle frequency differences, and we have

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Speaker 1: multiple notes in the melodic patterns. Newborn brains can hear

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Speaker 1: that notes are different, but they can't predict what note

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Speaker 1: might come next based on melody. That's a more sophisticated

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Speaker 1: skill that likely develops because they've heard melodies. So I

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Speaker 1: don't there's no downside of playing Bach through your belt.

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Speaker 3: Sure, of course, mostly bad Bunny, that's what I would play.

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Speaker 3: That's what you should go with. Gety lots of bad Bunny.

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Speaker 3: Whatever gets your kid going.

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Speaker 1: You could play Nirvana's in Utero in case your baby

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Speaker 1: has a sense of humor and irony.

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Speaker 3: If you're saying missing a segment of the show, get

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