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Speaker 1: After six long years, they finally won the Stanley Cup.
Speaker 1: Imagine if you're eight years of age and yeah, most
Speaker 1: of my life I've been waiting for the Golden Knights
Speaker 1: to win and they finally did it. You know that
Speaker 1: there's some kid in Boston who went through that period
Speaker 1: where the Red Sox and the Celtics and the Bruins,
Speaker 1: everybody was winning, and there was a window where you're like,
Speaker 1: if you went two years without winning a championship, there
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, what a drought. You get
Speaker 1: spoiled growing up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mar Yeah, the socks like get rid of Terry Francona.
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys are so ungrateful. Final results
Speaker 1: of the poll question from our two seat, and what
Speaker 1: are we going with a final hour here? By the way,
Speaker 1: it was on this day tonight that Michael Jordan had
Speaker 1: forty five points, including the game winner, as the Bulls
Speaker 1: beat the Jazz and the NBA Finals in six games.
Speaker 1: Bob Costas was on the call, Bobble, join us coming
Speaker 1: up here.
Speaker 3: Momentarily we had up there better protest strategy a quiet,
Speaker 3: empty stadium or a full angry stadium. Right now, we've
Speaker 3: got fifty four percent of the vote to say quiet
Speaker 3: empty stadium is a better way to protest.
Speaker 1: We started the show we christened the Golden Knights winning,
Speaker 1: but we also talked about the Bills situation, because this
Speaker 1: isn't one of those let's make up some dry here.
Speaker 1: It's June and we need some talking points here. We
Speaker 1: need some you know, hot takes. Here's Josh Allen talking
Speaker 1: about his relationship with his star receivers steff On Diggs.
Speaker 4: Internally, we're we're working on some things not football related.
Speaker 4: But you know, Steph, he's my guy, I see him,
Speaker 4: I love him, He's a brother of mine. You know,
Speaker 4: this does not work what we're doing here without him.
Speaker 4: You know, we really wished he was in here today
Speaker 4: and he was out there and fill with us, and
Speaker 4: that's that's not the case. But I've got his back
Speaker 4: no matter what.
Speaker 1: The fact that it's not football related is what's concerning here,
Speaker 1: because you can figure out football and something changed when
Speaker 1: Josh Allen got hurt, hurt his elbow and the offense
Speaker 1: changed after the ninth game. But you get to the
Speaker 1: playoffs and you had the altercation or incident on the
Speaker 1: sidelines where Josh Allen is looking at his tablet. Stephan
Speaker 1: Diggs is kind of calling him out there. But the
Speaker 1: fact that they didn't remedy this during the summer, I
Speaker 1: find that very very surprising and it is concerning. And
Speaker 1: that's what Sean McDermott, their head coach, had to say
Speaker 1: eight seven seven to three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick
Speaker 1: dot com, twitter handle at DP show. Bob costas Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame broadcaster, was on the call twenty five years ago.
Speaker 1: Tonight we thought Michael Jordan's final shot, and Bob is
Speaker 1: said that that was not exactly a push off by
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. It's like a major D showing you to
Speaker 1: your table. Bob, I still that I've never been shown
Speaker 1: to my table by a matre D where I nearly
Speaker 1: fell over, So I'm going to disagree with that description.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Dan, he wasn't falling because of the very
Speaker 5: light push. He was already stumbling because because Michael had
Speaker 5: faked him out of his sneakers. That's kind of what happened.
Speaker 5: If that happens in the second quarter of a regular
Speaker 5: season game, nobody even disputes. No one turns and says, hey, wait,
Speaker 5: that was a push off.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 5: It is because of where it happened. Who had happened
Speaker 5: to one of the most iconic moments in the history
Speaker 5: of sports. Forget about the NBA. If Utah has a gripe,
Speaker 5: and they do in that game, there was no replay.
Speaker 5: Then in the first half, Howard Eisley hit a three
Speaker 5: that was waved off as a shot clock violation, and
Speaker 5: we had it on NBC. It's out of his hands
Speaker 5: before the clock hits zero. So that's three points taken
Speaker 5: away from Utah. Later in the game, Ron Harper hits
Speaker 5: a two that did not beat the shot clock and
Speaker 5: it was allowed. Now that's the five points. That's a
Speaker 5: five point swing. Of course, when people say it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: if that guy wasn't thrown out trying to steal second base,
Speaker 5: on the next guy homers, it would have been a
Speaker 5: two run homer. That's not necessarily logical, because if the
Speaker 5: circumstances are different, maybe what happened subsequently plays out differently.
Speaker 5: But in a game that was that close, you take
Speaker 5: five points away from Utah, they have a case that
Speaker 5: maybe they could have played a game seven in Utah
Speaker 5: a few nights later.
Speaker 1: And I also go back to the play that's forgotten
Speaker 1: and it's equally as impressive as Jordan Steel and Karl
Speaker 1: Malone that led to the game winning shot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's being guarded by Rodman, and according to Michael's
Speaker 5: subsequent testimony, he came around from the side and Malone
Speaker 5: ever saw him. Michael left his guy along the baseline
Speaker 5: and Malone is preoccupied with Rodbin and Michael comes from
Speaker 5: the other side and slaps it away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that led to what five seconds to
Speaker 1: go where he hits the jumper as you guys were
Speaker 1: game planning after he makes the steal, and then there's
Speaker 1: a timeout, I believe, And then what is being discussed
Speaker 1: by you guys in the anticipation because we've seen Steve
Speaker 1: Kerr hit a game winning shot, John Paxson hit a
Speaker 1: game winning shot. Is everybody in Unison that this is
Speaker 1: going to be Michael Jordan taking the shot?
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much, because when he's stole the ball, he
Speaker 5: then has it and no one else touched it. And
Speaker 5: when you think about it, what's surprising about that Pippin's
Speaker 5: hobbling around with a bad back. He's Michael Jordan. He's
Speaker 5: going to take that shot. He didn't pass it to anybody.
Speaker 5: He had it the whole time. He took it out
Speaker 5: of the back court into the front court, made the
Speaker 5: shot over Russell. But when he makes the shot, there's
Speaker 5: five point two seconds left, So even though the Bulls
Speaker 5: are up by one, whatever you say, the possibility that
Speaker 5: this is a championship winning shot, the possibility that the
Speaker 5: last shot Michael Jordan will ever take in his NBA career,
Speaker 5: which briefly turned out to be true until he came
Speaker 5: back with the Wizards for an encore. That's a possibility,
Speaker 5: but it's certainly not a certainty because there's still five
Speaker 5: seconds left and you talk at score and Stockton got
Speaker 5: a decent look. Harper was guarding him, as I remember,
Speaker 5: had a hand in his face. He got a decent look,
Speaker 5: and as I remember, it hit the back iron, but
Speaker 5: it was kind of on target. So if that goes in,
Speaker 5: they play a game seven on Utah's home floor.
Speaker 1: Take us back, and I apologize. I thought for some
Speaker 1: reason when Jordan made the steal that they would have
Speaker 1: called a timeout then, but you know, no timeout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting strategy, But you know, strategy always helps when
Speaker 1: you have Michael Jordan. We're talking to Bob Costas, who
Speaker 1: was on the call. Let's go back to the FLU game.
Speaker 1: What did you know prior to the game, as you
Speaker 1: know Michael's condition and why he was in that condition.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't.
Speaker 5: Work the ninety seven playoffs. I had taken a hiatus
Speaker 5: courtesy of my good friend and patron, Dick Eversol. So
Speaker 5: Marv's doing the game and I think count of storms
Speaker 5: doing the pre and post. Of course, I watched every
Speaker 5: minute of it, and I find out later, and it's
Speaker 5: a big part of the last dance. You know, did
Speaker 5: he have the flu or did he have food poisoning?
Speaker 5: And if you've ever had food poisoning Dan, which I
Speaker 5: have had a couple of times, that's as bad as
Speaker 5: you can feel, knowing for a fact that you will not.
Speaker 1: Die, you know.
Speaker 5: So it was food poisoning. I think it's even worse
Speaker 5: than if he had merely had quote the flu.
Speaker 1: When you think of Jordan's career, it's almost like it
Speaker 1: it grows. It's like Babe Ruth. It tends to grow,
Speaker 1: you know, metastasizes. They're just what is it about that?
Speaker 1: Like Mickey Mantle's legacy, there's so many of these athletes
Speaker 1: where you may not remember them being as great as
Speaker 1: they were in the moment. But then as we kind
Speaker 1: of move farther and farther away, does Lebron get the
Speaker 1: benefit of this? Do you think the way Michael Jordan.
Speaker 5: Has no not as much through no fault of Lebron's
Speaker 5: You can make a very strong statistical case for Lebron
Speaker 5: in a Lebron Michael comparison and Lebron discounting centers. Because
Speaker 5: I've always felt we've talked about this before they're in
Speaker 5: a category. How do you compare Wilter Russell or Kareem
Speaker 5: or Elijah Wahn or a healthy Bill Walton or whomever.
Speaker 5: How do you compore Shack? How do you compare them
Speaker 5: to forwards and guards? Lebron never comes out these days
Speaker 5: any worse than number two behind Jordan in that comparison.
Speaker 5: But what Lebron does not have is as many iconic
Speaker 5: moments that are replayed almost on a loop and are
Speaker 5: in everyone's imagination, including those who didn't see it firsthand,
Speaker 5: going all the way back to the game winning shot
Speaker 5: for North Carolina in eighty two against Georgetown, and then
Speaker 5: being the centerpiece of the first Dream Team, and then
Speaker 5: all those postseason moments, most of them in the finals,
Speaker 5: but even the shot on Elo in an earlier round
Speaker 5: of the playoffs against the Cavaliers. So many of those
Speaker 5: moments and the iconic commercials. Be like Mike and just
Speaker 5: thinking about the game we're talking about now that is
Speaker 5: still the highest rated game in NBA history, and the
Speaker 5: ratings for those games during the eighties and nineties on CBS,
Speaker 5: bird Magic and then I'm sorry during the eighties on CBS,
Speaker 5: then in the nineties on NBC. The ratings for those
Speaker 5: games generally dwarf the ratings that NBA games get now,
Speaker 5: and many of those NBA games are on cable rather
Speaker 5: than over the air broadcast television, and that will diminish,
Speaker 5: not objectively, but in terms of the public imagination. That
Speaker 5: doesn't just diminish Lebron in comparison to Jordan or Bird
Speaker 5: or Magic. It will diminish Nicola Jokic. It will diminish
Speaker 5: Jimmy Butler or whomever you want the name, through no
Speaker 5: fault of their own.
Speaker 1: It's like Michael is Neil Armstrong. He's the first on
Speaker 1: the moon, and everybody else may land there, but Mike
Speaker 1: was the first there to plant the flag. Bob will
Speaker 1: be doing an hour long interview with Albert Puholz later
Speaker 1: today for MLB network and air to be determined there.
Speaker 1: A couple of baseball questions were well into the pitch clock.
Speaker 1: How do you feel?
Speaker 5: I think in general all the changes have been tremendously successful.
Speaker 5: We've had a few players and managers tell me that
Speaker 5: they think fifteen seconds with no one on base is
Speaker 5: a little quick, and they prefer a uniform twenty seconds
Speaker 5: nobody on and with men on base the uniform twenty seconds.
Speaker 5: But I haven't heard anybody dispute the general idea that
Speaker 5: the pitch clock banning shifts the two pickoff throws per
Speaker 5: at bat, which lets them base run and be a
Speaker 5: bit more adventurous. It's nearly unanimous that this is not
Speaker 5: just okay, but it's a rousing success.
Speaker 1: The A's moving to Vegas, does Vegas take the A's
Speaker 1: out of the oak They're taking the A's out of Oakland,
Speaker 1: But do they take the nickname?
Speaker 5: Well, if they keep the nickname, then the A's become
Speaker 5: the first team in MLB history to have the same
Speaker 5: name in four different locations, break breaking a tie they
Speaker 5: had with the Braves. The Braves and the A's are
Speaker 5: the only ones with three. The Braves were in Boston,
Speaker 5: in Milwaukee and now for a long time in Atlanta.
Speaker 5: And the A's were in Wadelfia, Kansas City, Oakland, and
Speaker 5: now perhaps in Vegas. But last night, I'm sure you
Speaker 5: saw this, Dan, and maybe you mentioned it earlier this morning,
Speaker 5: the A's had a reverse boycott night or whatever there
Speaker 5: was process. Last night, Yeah, fans came out and the
Speaker 5: idea was, let's fill this stadium, or at least have
Speaker 5: much larger crowd than we've generally been drawing to show
Speaker 5: that there's support there if we had reason that faith
Speaker 5: in the team. And then throughout the game they're chanting
Speaker 5: sell the team. Meanwhile, this team that was threatening the
Speaker 5: worst record of all time for a season like making
Speaker 5: these sixty two Mets look like a juggernaut. Now they've
Speaker 5: won seven straight, so go figure.
Speaker 1: And the Angels are still in the playoff race, which
Speaker 1: means as we get closer to the trade deadline, if
Speaker 1: you're tempted to trade show hey Otani, it makes it
Speaker 1: even harder because you're in the playoff race. What do
Speaker 1: you think happens with Otani?
Speaker 5: I don't think they trade him. And if they were
Speaker 5: to trade him, it would make the Hall that the
Speaker 5: Nats got for San Soto to San Diego look like
Speaker 5: a pittance. I mean, you'd have to empty your entire
Speaker 5: farm system, all your top prospects, plus throw in some
Speaker 5: players that can be useful. Right now, I don't see
Speaker 5: that happening. Plus, there's only a handful of teams that
Speaker 5: are realistically in the mix. If he decides to leave
Speaker 5: the Angels and sign with some other team as a
Speaker 5: free agent. So why would those teams want to empty
Speaker 5: their farm system if the real test is going to
Speaker 5: come as to how much money they're willing to pay
Speaker 5: him on a ten year deal or whatever it is
Speaker 5: to sign a contract with them, and some team that
Speaker 5: has no chance to sign him beyond that time, I
Speaker 5: don't think is going to roll the dice and pay
Speaker 5: the price it would take for a mid season trade
Speaker 5: just to have a shot at a second or third
Speaker 5: wildcard spot. Just doesn't seem to add up.
Speaker 1: Great to talk to you as always, Bob, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us.
Speaker 5: Thanks a lot.
Speaker 1: Dan. That's Bob Costas, Hall of Fame broadcaster working for
Speaker 1: MLB Network and was the play by play voice of
Speaker 1: the NBA on NBC from nineteen ninety seven through nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine. Two thousand season and e Me, I thought
Speaker 1: when Jordan made this steal that there was a timeout
Speaker 1: and Phil Jackson let him go in transition and then
Speaker 1: he hits the jumper there. I thought it was his
Speaker 1: last shot because, as I've mentioned this before, Jordan would
Speaker 1: always say through their PR person with the Bulls, hey
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you when we win the championship. So
Speaker 1: we were guaranteed Mike was going to come on Sports Center,
Speaker 1: and I was there to do the interview. He said,
Speaker 1: when we win the championship, I'll come in now. Sometimes
Speaker 1: in other series, other finals, he did come in, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe after a big game. We would always request him
Speaker 1: and Phil Jackson. But Michael comes in and he's got
Speaker 1: his shoes off, he's got a Cuban cigar, and he's
Speaker 1: got the basketball's jersey is out, and he comes in
Speaker 1: and I think that's the last time that we're going
Speaker 1: to see him as a basketball player. So much so
Speaker 1: when he left the room. As he left, I go,
Speaker 1: it's a shame you're retiring, because I want to I'd
Speaker 1: love to have a piece of you. And he turns
Speaker 1: and it's as if the game is still going on. God,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. He turns, he goes, what'd you say?
Speaker 1: I said, a man, I'd I'd love a piece of you,
Speaker 1: like to play you one on one. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just joking. We're during a commercial break. I'm Phil Jackson
Speaker 1: sitting there. He goes, stand up, so I have my
Speaker 1: suit and tie on. I put the microphone down. Phil
Speaker 1: Jackson's there waiting for us to come back from commercial break?
Speaker 1: How the bleep would you guard me? So I got
Speaker 1: my suit and tie on. He's covered in champagne, and
Speaker 1: I put my forearm in his back and he'd go
Speaker 1: and he'd just tore into me. He goes, I would bleep,
Speaker 1: de bleep, de bleep, de bleep, de bleep, de bleep.
Speaker 1: And then he walked out the door. And then I
Speaker 1: go over and I sit down, and Phil Jackson there
Speaker 1: and he's looking at me, goes see what I dealt with?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, we come out
Speaker 1: of commercial break and Phil Jackson joining us. Now. Meanwhile, Mike,
Speaker 1: Mike left a lasting imprint on me that man, you
Speaker 1: turn it on, boom, it's off. We just won. I
Speaker 1: think his career is over. And I'm just in a
Speaker 1: passing comment stand up and I went, how the bleep
Speaker 1: would you guard me? Put a forearm right here in
Speaker 1: your mo like this.
Speaker 2: I think, Yes, Marv, did you think to yourself, Wow,
Speaker 2: this guy's a psycho?
Speaker 1: No? But I understood it. You know, I don't think
Speaker 1: he was going to suffer fools like oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: know you maybe you could have gotten your shot off
Speaker 1: against me or something like that. But I was just
Speaker 1: kind of joking because I didn't know if that was
Speaker 1: his last game, but it was my way of asking
Speaker 1: that by saying, it's a shame you're going to retire.
Speaker 1: I'd like a piece of you. What stand up? How
Speaker 1: would you bleep and guard me? And I did the
Speaker 1: forearm bar. Yes, Ma, he was retired.
Speaker 2: Chicago Bulls rookie was talking, you know, smack about him.
Speaker 2: He came to the practice facility and played him one
Speaker 2: on one. There's a video on YouTube and he's like,
Speaker 2: look at all these banners around you, it's because of me.
Speaker 2: I was like, this dude's sitting on a golf course
Speaker 2: and comes back and plays one on one pick up
Speaker 2: with some unknown rookie.
Speaker 1: I would like to, you know, do a shooting contest
Speaker 1: with Michael and bad Larry. Well Bad Larry our gambling podcast,
Speaker 1: said that he could take Michael Jordan if they shot
Speaker 1: fouline jumpers for one thousand dollars free shot, and Bad
Speaker 1: Larry said he'd beat Michael Jordan. He goes, hey, he
Speaker 1: wasn't that good a shooter. I said he was guarded
Speaker 1: by some of the greatest athletes on the planet and
Speaker 1: he shot forty nine percent. And eighty three from the line, like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about?
Speaker 6: That?
Speaker 1: But I would like to, you know, a shot at
Speaker 1: Mike Todd. Would you see if Michael Jordan he didn't
Speaker 1: even have to do an interview. I'll just meet him
Speaker 1: someplace and we'll shoot jumpers reasonable request, you know, foul
Speaker 1: line jumpers and how about one thousand dollars?
Speaker 7: We'll shoot fifteen of them? Yeah, I want to play
Speaker 7: a quick game. Do we even get a response to
Speaker 7: this email? No, we don't, not even Todd. No, no,
Speaker 7: but no, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, you can't do it because I don't think
Speaker 1: they have a sense of humor when we do these
Speaker 1: things with Michael Jordan his people.
Speaker 7: We don't want to hurt our chance to get on
Speaker 7: the show, you know, you know I do that at
Speaker 7: this juncture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have no shot to get a low shot
Speaker 1: to get him. Not no shot.
Speaker 7: Yes, Pum, I do have something for you on the
Speaker 7: Michael Jordan situation.
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 8: I think I mentioned this to you, but I'll save.
Speaker 1: It, okay until after the commercial break? Yeah, okay?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it good enough to tease the audience that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 8: Probably?
Speaker 1: Oh it's not okay, it's decent though Randall Shamblee will
Speaker 1: join us. Be interesting to hear his thoughts when he
Speaker 1: first heard the announcement that the merger was taking place.
Speaker 1: Give me his comments about the live tour and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about just how challenging this US open is going
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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan.
Speaker 7: Kind of I maybe I didn't mention this about about
Speaker 7: three years ago. So one of the things we've always
Speaker 7: wanted to have Michael Jordan do a sit down on
Speaker 7: the show, a good half hour hour whatever you've always
Speaker 7: that's it.
Speaker 8: That's the big one.
Speaker 1: That'd be fun.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So remember it was about three years ago when the
Speaker 7: Jordan documentary came out, right, we know, the guy who
Speaker 7: directed it and putting all together, and there was this
Speaker 7: little event wrapping it up, and I did a little
Speaker 7: pop by, and I've met a few people that were
Speaker 7: Mike deep inner circle people with Michael Jordan, like inner
Speaker 7: circle people that approved things in the documentary, gate keepers
Speaker 7: to all things Michael Jordan. I was talking to one
Speaker 7: of these people and I conveyed to them, I go, hey,
Speaker 7: so one of the things we'd always wanted to do,
Speaker 7: and it was a calm convers it was a nice conversation,
Speaker 7: and I just dropped it in. We'd always we would
Speaker 7: love to have Michael do a hangout sit down at
Speaker 7: some point. And the person goes, that was the response,
Speaker 7: which is rarely good when you asked for And I said, well,
Speaker 7: I go, you know, I'm not talking tomorrow. I'm saying
Speaker 7: before the show is over. I said, you know, between
Speaker 7: you and I, before Dan retires, let's get this done.
Speaker 7: And it was more like, hey, let's do this. And
Speaker 7: the person looked at me and they said, and this
Speaker 7: person goes, is Dan retiring?
Speaker 8: Like is damn times? In the near future.
Speaker 1: Meant that we could get Michael. Then I'd retire.
Speaker 8: Now, yeah, you'd announce it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I said no, no, no, but I go, I
Speaker 7: will give you like a good six months heads up okay,
Speaker 7: And she goes, give me give me a heads up okay.
Speaker 7: And I would say it went from five percent to
Speaker 7: thirty percent.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a no chance, it was a load chance.
Speaker 8: I think it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now there's a possibility.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I say thirty percent, okay, possibly thirty five.
Speaker 1: So you're saying we're going to shine. Back to Randall Shamblely,
Speaker 1: Golf Channel leads studio analyst. He's out of the studio
Speaker 1: and he's at LACC, one of my favorite golf courses,
Speaker 1: the North of course. He joins us now in the program, Randall,
Speaker 1: what would you shoot if you played LACC.
Speaker 9: From the tips? Yeah, I'd probably have a hard time
Speaker 9: break at eighty.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there are a lot of golfers that
Speaker 1: you're going to have a hard time trying to break eighty.
Speaker 1: I think that that's a tough golf course. But this
Speaker 1: is what the US opened wants. Is that correct? That
Speaker 1: Parr is going to be your friend?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a spectacular design. Dan, if you've played it,
Speaker 6: you know it's all the buzz. You know, this is
Speaker 6: a town that lacks a good nip and tuck, and
Speaker 6: this golf courts had a nip and tuck, so to
Speaker 6: speaks in the golf architecture world, a far and wide
Speaker 6: lauded nip and tuck, and it's architectural eye candy. But
Speaker 6: I think it's going to play spectacularly for the players.
Speaker 6: Big wide fairways for the most part. But if you
Speaker 6: miss the fairways, you're going to play a tough price.
Speaker 6: But it's the green complexes that are just out of
Speaker 6: this world. If this golf course we're on the ocean,
Speaker 6: it'd probably be ranked, if not the best golf course
Speaker 6: in the world right there behind Pine Valley.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I've played it a few times and
Speaker 1: I'm just playing from the member t's and it's challenging.
Speaker 1: But I told the audience you'll be surprised that the
Speaker 1: rolling hills, like you're not getting flat lies there. That
Speaker 1: it's it's got far more undulation than you would expect
Speaker 1: at a golf course out there.
Speaker 9: That's true.
Speaker 6: I mean, people, his job it is to to dwell
Speaker 6: on architecture and so forth, say that this is probably
Speaker 6: the best parkland site imaginable for an architect. And you know,
Speaker 6: obviously this was one hundred or so years ago. It's
Speaker 6: Gil Hans's line. Gil Hans said that this golf course.
Speaker 6: I believe it's you know, his paraphrasing a little bit,
Speaker 6: but I think he said this was the finest architecture
Speaker 6: that he's ever seen, and he's he's seen more than
Speaker 6: his share.
Speaker 1: And then you start to figure out who's a favorite
Speaker 1: at an event like this. I know that Scottie Scheffler
Speaker 1: DraftKings has him as the favorite. Then John Rahm and
Speaker 1: then Rory and Brooks are thrown in there, and Patrick Cantley.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that lineup there?
Speaker 9: I think DraftKings nailed it.
Speaker 6: You know, like you always look at the best players,
Speaker 6: but when you get to a venue like this, where
Speaker 6: the fairways are so wide and there's there's ample room
Speaker 6: to just air it out for the best drivers and
Speaker 6: the longest hitters in the game. But then there's this
Speaker 6: there's this really high demand precision.
Speaker 9: Coming into these greens. I mean, they're.
Speaker 6: Small targets, they're angled. There's a big, big price to
Speaker 6: pay if you missed them. And Scotty Scheffler right now
Speaker 6: is he's almost as far just in terms of ball striking.
Speaker 6: The distance between him and everybody else is almost Tiger
Speaker 6: two thousand and everybody else in terms of ball striking.
Speaker 6: So Scheffler leads, you know, Strokes kan Off, the tee
Speaker 6: leads Strokes caan approach. You know, it's more Greens than
Speaker 6: anybody you know. At the Memorial it was the second
Speaker 6: best performance ever Strokes game tee to Green. And he
Speaker 6: didn't win because he's just well, he's putting like you
Speaker 6: and me. Probably if he just puts decent, just decent,
Speaker 6: he should win this event.
Speaker 9: He could win it. Going away.
Speaker 1: We're talking to Brandal Shambily and you can have the
Speaker 1: coverage the US Open. It'll be from Los Angeles, LACC.
Speaker 1: It'll be on NBC. Also the wrap up show that
Speaker 1: is a wonderful show that Randall's there with rich Lerner
Speaker 1: and company that after every realm you can see it nightly.
Speaker 1: The drama from last week, the fallout, and you've had
Speaker 1: time to soak this in as how is that time
Speaker 1: period helped or hurt your thoughts on this merger with
Speaker 1: Live and PGA Tour.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm sure like everybody that heard this, they thought
Speaker 6: they were being punked.
Speaker 9: I did for sure. But now that I've had some
Speaker 9: time to talk.
Speaker 6: To the people that were really close to this deal,
Speaker 6: you know, I said the other night that probably the
Speaker 6: second worst thing that could happen to golf as if
Speaker 6: this deal went through, and probably the worst thing that
Speaker 6: could happen to golf as if it.
Speaker 9: Didn't go through.
Speaker 6: The plight of the PGA Tour was such that, you know,
Speaker 6: they were hemorrhaging money and legal fees, and also in
Speaker 6: trying to sustain these purses to compete with Live, to
Speaker 6: keep players from being poached and going over to Live.
Speaker 9: They weren't supported by the radis. The ratings are fine
Speaker 9: at Golf.
Speaker 6: Golf's in a great spot, but they don't justify twenty
Speaker 6: five million dollar purses, and the reward expectations of the
Speaker 6: tour players have been reset, i should say, to unsustainable levels.
Speaker 9: So when you when you look at the.
Speaker 6: Economics and you look at the fact that Live was
Speaker 6: not going to go anywhere, the Saudis weren't going to
Speaker 6: go anywhere, it seems, you know, more understandable the deal
Speaker 6: was made but there's still this impression that the tour
Speaker 6: sold the professional game to the Saudis, and that is
Speaker 6: the pervading impression in all of golf right now.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that?
Speaker 9: Well, when you dig.
Speaker 6: Into the details, not the not the actual PGA tours,
Speaker 6: we know it this investment arm that they've created, this
Speaker 6: this this new entity that's yet to have any specific goals.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: And then and look, the Saudis came into the European
Speaker 6: Tour as just a tournament, and the next thing you know,
Speaker 6: they wanted to run everything. And so now they're in
Speaker 6: the room as the majority investor. I think it's pretty
Speaker 6: easy to look down the line and think that they
Speaker 6: could they could exercise undoe influence in the game of golf.
Speaker 6: And when you consider that there were other economics solutions,
Speaker 6: no doubt I know of the economic solutions. I've talked
Speaker 6: to people that have offered the PGA Tour some money,
Speaker 6: and everybody gets enamored with this this PITH, this PIF
Speaker 6: fund for having six hundred and fifty billion dollars, and
Speaker 6: they're quick to say that they have all the money
Speaker 6: in the world. But I've talked to a lot of
Speaker 6: financial people in the last week and they laugh at that.
Speaker 6: The like there is one hundred and forty trillion dollars
Speaker 6: of good, clean, somewhat honest money all around the globe,
Speaker 6: and a lot of it is very interested in aligning
Speaker 6: themselves with the PGA Tours. So there are other good,
Speaker 6: clean economic solutions that the PGA Tour could have considered.
Speaker 9: And if the deal doesn't go through, I'd.
Speaker 6: Say it's back on the table, and I think that
Speaker 6: would be far more amenable to the golf public and
Speaker 6: to the tour players.
Speaker 1: I've tried to approach this as just a golf fan
Speaker 1: that I don't think they had altruistic motives starting to
Speaker 1: Live Tour in Greg Norman, he wanted he had a
Speaker 1: vendette against the PGA Tour, So I was disappointed. You
Speaker 1: can take the money. I don't care go take the money,
Speaker 1: but I only cared about watching golf. I wanted to
Speaker 1: see the best players, and I'm wondering what the game
Speaker 1: is going to be like in three years from now.
Speaker 6: Well, if the deal goes through, it's likely that Live
Speaker 6: will be dissolved and the players that had played on
Speaker 6: Live will have to sort of work their way back
Speaker 6: into the PGA Tour. They'll have to pay a fine,
Speaker 6: a substantial fine, no doubt. But it'd be great to
Speaker 6: have Brooks Kopka and Dustin Johnson back. Would be great
Speaker 6: to have Phil Mickelson back. It would look I mean,
Speaker 6: these are interesting players. They were poached for a reason.
Speaker 6: They had tremendous appeal. But if the deal doesn't go through,
Speaker 6: Dan and your guess is almost as good as mine,
Speaker 6: Because if the deal doesn't go through, innumerable things could happen.
Speaker 9: A lot of them bad.
Speaker 6: Players that felt betrayed could jump ship, go to live,
Speaker 6: give them more leverage.
Speaker 9: It could go that way. It could go the way
Speaker 9: that I sort of hinted out a minute ago.
Speaker 6: All of this economic investment, these economic solutions that buy
Speaker 6: and large is let's say, just a lot cleaner than
Speaker 6: the SALDI money could come into the game and stave
Speaker 6: off those petition potential defections.
Speaker 9: But if it doesn't go through, your guess is as
Speaker 9: good as mine.
Speaker 1: What's have you crossed pans with brooks Koepka? He had
Speaker 1: the line soon as it came out, welfare check on Chamblee.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, Phil Mickelson has had some problems with You
Speaker 1: do you do you cross pans with these guys at
Speaker 1: the US Open.
Speaker 9: I walked the course a couple of days ago in
Speaker 9: the right behind Phil all day long.
Speaker 6: Uh, you know, if I look, I had asked him
Speaker 6: to come up on the set. He wanted to come
Speaker 6: up on the set and debate and talk about Live.
Speaker 6: I said, look, the seat's always welcome for you. Love
Speaker 6: to have you up, you know, at least from my view,
Speaker 6: if maybe there was something I didn't know about Live,
Speaker 6: he could come up. Because he's so invested in it,
Speaker 6: he could sell it, maybe make more money for everybody
Speaker 6: on those teams. I would be interested to hear the teams.
Speaker 6: He said, Look, I don't want to help you guys
Speaker 6: make any money.
Speaker 9: I'm not coming up. So he offered it.
Speaker 6: He offered He offered a poor Pierce Morgan interview, which
Speaker 6: coincides with the US Women's Open, which I'm working. So
Speaker 6: I had friends of mine reach out to him and said, look,
Speaker 6: I'll sit down with you on a podcast any time,
Speaker 6: anywhere and talk about Live all you want. But you know, look,
Speaker 6: they're going to take their shots at me. The day
Speaker 6: they took their shots at me was what was that?
Speaker 6: That was the Tuesday, the day it came out, which
Speaker 6: was ironic really because you know, the next day, in
Speaker 6: talking to the people that had a lot to do
Speaker 6: with this deal, like if this deal goes through, lives
Speaker 6: going to die.
Speaker 9: Those guys could.
Speaker 6: Could very easily just have lost their jobs, lost at
Speaker 6: least one third of their contract money, and have to
Speaker 6: then come back and their boss would be whoever the
Speaker 6: commission of the PGA Tour is. When you know, there
Speaker 6: was news yesterday that Jay's taking some time away to
Speaker 6: deal with some health issues, and we certainly wish him
Speaker 6: the best. But let's say Jay recuperates and is still
Speaker 6: at the Helm, they have to come through Jay Monahan,
Speaker 6: who you know, I'm not sure he's going to be
Speaker 6: too lenient in dishing out their fines to come back,
Speaker 6: because you could make the argument, I certainly make it
Speaker 6: that they've charged, they've they've harmed the PGA Tour in
Speaker 6: irreparable ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I'm just like, how much can you
Speaker 1: find Brooks Kopka if he wants to come back to
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour.
Speaker 6: Well, it's been floated around. I think everybody pretty much
Speaker 6: knows what he left for. So take the taxes away
Speaker 6: and there's your fund. You know, you can't reparably damage
Speaker 6: the PGA tour benefit financially from it be involved in
Speaker 6: legal issues along the way, which costs the PGA Tour
Speaker 6: loads of money which otherwise would have been reinvested in
Speaker 6: the tour or pension funds or purses. And expect to
Speaker 6: come back and still have the upper hand financially with
Speaker 6: the people you're competing against.
Speaker 1: But could you see Rory getting equity in the PGA
Speaker 1: tour and John Rahm and Scottie Scheffler, You know.
Speaker 9: That's the thing.
Speaker 6: Look, if this deal doesn't go through, and I was
Speaker 6: reading today just before I came on your show, CNBC
Speaker 6: was reporting that PGA tour players are considering outside bankers
Speaker 6: to take a look at this deal. Any outside bankers
Speaker 6: or investment that may come into the PGA Tour, I
Speaker 6: would say, would be a heck of a lot more
Speaker 6: rap in the investment from the Saudi side, and the
Speaker 6: reward expectations, as I just said a little while ago,
Speaker 6: have been reset with amongst PGA tour players to unsustainable levels,
Speaker 6: and to re anchor those reward expectations to reality is
Speaker 6: going to be difficult to do. But any investor that
Speaker 6: comes in is not going to say, look, we are
Speaker 6: not playing for twenty five million dollar purses unless the
Speaker 6: ratings support that.
Speaker 9: These people would.
Speaker 6: Understandably want a profit, whereas all that the Saudis wanted
Speaker 6: was to launder their reputation. Which if the deal goes
Speaker 6: through and you have the head of the Saudi Investment
Speaker 6: Fund on the PGA tour board, I would say, job,
Speaker 6: well done, you did it. You've laundered the reputation of
Speaker 6: a reprehensible, unconscionable regime.
Speaker 1: Are you welcomed in Saudi Arabia?
Speaker 9: I don't plan on going to read any.
Speaker 1: Time, but I'm just curious.
Speaker 9: But look, I.
Speaker 6: Think you know, this is not about the Saudi people.
Speaker 6: I have no doubt they're exactly like us. You know,
Speaker 6: the vast majority of them want to have a job.
Speaker 6: I want to have good healthcare, raise the kids, put
Speaker 6: food on the table, and have a nice time in
Speaker 6: the evenings. I'm talking about the apt apocalyptically radical UH
Speaker 6: leaders and in particular NBS who you know his his
Speaker 6: human rights record is not particularly good.
Speaker 1: Plain ice this week, Okay.
Speaker 9: I hope we'll have a controversy free.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, you want controversy, you want that
Speaker 1: on the course. You want that, right, Yeah, all.
Speaker 9: The course, on the course, of course.
Speaker 6: But I wouldn't mind, you know, some nice quiet evenings,
Speaker 6: you know where my phone's not.
Speaker 9: My wife would appreciate me.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Michelson just sneaks by one time and stops
Speaker 1: by the set.
Speaker 9: He's always welcome on the set.
Speaker 6: I'm sure all our conflicts, for all our conflicts, I
Speaker 6: quite enjoy the man's goalf.
Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, Brandle, have fun. We'll be watching.
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Speaker 1: Last call for phone calls. What we learned once in
Speaker 1: store Tomorrow. Doc Rivers was on the Bill Simmons podcast
Speaker 1: and Doc was talking about coaching James Harden.
Speaker 2: Did you like coaching them?
Speaker 11: Was it okay?
Speaker 9: Like? How would you rate the experience?
Speaker 12: It was challenging more because we were fighting two things,
Speaker 12: not like visually fighting, is that James is so good
Speaker 12: at playing one way and the way that I believe
Speaker 12: you have to play to win in some ways is
Speaker 12: different because it's a lot.
Speaker 9: Of giving up the ball, moving the ball, coming back
Speaker 9: to the ball.
Speaker 12: I thought the first half of the year, you know,
Speaker 12: I thought we were the best. Even in the game,
Speaker 12: I thought James was playing perfect basketball. He was a
Speaker 12: point guard of the team. He was still score but
Speaker 12: he was doing more playmaking and scoring. And then the
Speaker 12: second half he started scoring more, trying to score more,
Speaker 12: and I thought we got stagnant at times, so I
Speaker 12: thought we changed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Doc Rivers Bill Simmons podcast. I thought Harden and
Speaker 1: I complimented him during the regular season, he said, this
Speaker 1: is exactly what you need. If you can get me
Speaker 1: twenty one in ten, twenty one and eleven every single night,
Speaker 1: we're good. And then all of a sudden he wanted
Speaker 1: to be the old James Harden. Oh, I wanted to
Speaker 1: play this justin Jones is a defensive lineman for the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, and he would still like to play against
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay.
Speaker 9: How different is it going to be now that Aaron
Speaker 9: Rodgers is somewhere else.
Speaker 11: I wish he played one more year with the Green
Speaker 11: Bay Honestly, we went up there and we played it.
Speaker 11: We played a pretty good game, you know, but they
Speaker 11: got away from us at the end, obviously, and they won.
Speaker 11: But yeah, I wanted to go back up there and
Speaker 11: I wanted to play them, and I want to beat them.
Speaker 11: I want him to be there so you can see it.
Speaker 11: But the fact that he's going now, you know, I mean,
Speaker 11: it's cool. I guess it's better for him not to
Speaker 11: be here, you know. But but yeah, man, I'm I'm.
Speaker 1: Ready to take it over.
Speaker 11: I mean, it's a good time to be a Bears fan.
Speaker 1: I'm not evenna lie to you. Justin Jones, the Bears
Speaker 1: defensive lineman, hates Green Bay Packer fans.
Speaker 11: I mean, man, like just just the way they're just
Speaker 11: freaking obnoxious, just yelling and all that other stuff about
Speaker 11: things that don't even matter, Like we're not even we're
Speaker 11: not even running to play.
Speaker 9: And you guys are talking about boo oh yeah, Like
Speaker 9: what do you even talking?
Speaker 11: Agains even started yet, Like what do we been talking
Speaker 11: about here? Like, you know, y'all half of them don't
Speaker 11: even know football. It's so weird to me. But I
Speaker 11: was just ready to go back out there and play.
Speaker 11: And I want to go out there and I want
Speaker 11: to beat the hell out of them, you know, on
Speaker 11: their field. And I want to hear it.
Speaker 9: I want to hear the booze in.
Speaker 11: You know that.
Speaker 9: That's what I look forward to.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure Chicago Bear fans would be happy with
Speaker 1: that too. I mean, you can talk a good game,
Speaker 1: play a good game. Oh he's not there. I wish
Speaker 1: he was. He was there, man, Packer fans are going
Speaker 1: to boo you because they own you until you change that.
Speaker 1: What are we watching tonight? Anybody got any suggestions here?
Speaker 8: I got one?
Speaker 7: Okay White Sox who stink at the Dodgers tonight ten
Speaker 7: pm Eastern seven LA time on ESPN. Okay Clayton Kershaw's
Speaker 7: eight and four got two point nine to five Era
Speaker 7: Kershaw I think is leading the nllen wins. His first
Speaker 7: cy Young was in twenty eleven. He's twenty three years old.
Speaker 7: He's in the cy Young mix at age thirty five,
Speaker 7: almost thirty six years old. That might be one of
Speaker 7: the longest stretches between cy youngs. But that's he's right
Speaker 7: back there. He's having a really nice season.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you know I don't remember this? On this
Speaker 1: date in twenty twenty one, Christiano Ronaldo was at the
Speaker 1: press table at the European Championships and he saw Coca
Speaker 1: Cola bottles, he removed, move those from the press table.
Speaker 1: The company's market value dropped four billion dollars that day.
Speaker 1: Just you remember this, and he said drink water instead.
Speaker 1: Is that what he said?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's health Yeah, he said drink water.
Speaker 1: Four billion dollars. I mean that was kind of bud
Speaker 1: Light before bud Light. That you're taking them down four billion.
Speaker 1: Although Coca Cola didn't come back.
Speaker 3: They have all kinds of numbers for him, like when
Speaker 3: he moves to different locations, like when he left Real
Speaker 3: Madrid to go to Juventus and he joined you know,
Speaker 3: went to the Italian League Serie I like they went up,
Speaker 3: you know, millions and millions of social media followers and
Speaker 3: money went up, and the league ratings went like quadrupled
Speaker 3: or something like that. Like this, people like him and
Speaker 3: MESSI their effect when they changed places and go play,
Speaker 3: it's just astronomical.
Speaker 1: Uh, this Dame sports history, Pauline. Do you have anything
Speaker 1: else that you'd like?
Speaker 7: The Lakers won the title in eighty seven Celtics. The
Speaker 7: Bulls won the title in ninety two, beat the Trailblazers.
Speaker 7: The Detroit Pistons in two thousand and five beat the
Speaker 7: Spurs in Game three the NBA Finals. They won the
Speaker 7: first three games of that series by fifteen points or more.
Speaker 7: That five Pistons team kind of gets lost in the wash.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Oh nine.
Speaker 7: Phil Jackson of the Lakers record his tenth NBA title.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see, I don't remember. They don't get credit
Speaker 1: for this winning streak. The Cincinnati Reds the Red Stockings
Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy suffered their first loss in one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty games, so they had a one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty nine game winning streak. I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: given credit for that, but that would seem like that'd
Speaker 1: be the longest winning streak aside from the Harlan Globe Trotters.
Speaker 1: The eighteen eighteen seventy Red Stockings.
Speaker 7: I got their record here. I got them at sixty
Speaker 7: seven six and one.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe it was a carryover from eighteen sixty nine.
Speaker 7: Right, because that team they signed all their free agents,
Speaker 7: I'm right, and they kept really good records back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure they did.
Speaker 7: Some of the teams they beat were o'riyan College of Lexington,
Speaker 7: the Union Club of Urbana, the Ontario Baseball Club of
Speaker 7: As we Go, New York, and they were tough.
Speaker 1: Todd, what'd you learn today?
Speaker 7: Branda Shamblely says, if he just puts decent at La
Speaker 7: Country Club, Scotti Schefler should win the US Open, maybe comfortably.
Speaker 1: All right, Cin O'Connor, what did you learn today?
Speaker 3: Bob Costas doesn't believe Michael Jordan pushed off either, a right, Bob, Marvin.
Speaker 2: Low chance that mj comes on with us?
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless it's the end of my career, Pauline, Low
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