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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Well, I believe I've heard

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Speaker 1: it all.

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Speaker 2: A female teacher's bombshell claim about her own husband.

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Speaker 1: This as she has been charged.

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Speaker 2: With a sex attack on a teen boy student. Now

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Speaker 2: she's dragging her husband into this. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 2: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: You heard me.

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Speaker 2: A married Illinois school teacher accused of sex assaulting a

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Speaker 2: teen boy she was tutoring, tells cops the boy was

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Speaker 2: her quote stalker and that her husband knew all about

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Speaker 2: the boys quote obsession. Well, her behavior and her text

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Speaker 2: messages seem to tell a very different story.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do we know about the incident.

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Speaker 2: Involving teacher Christina Formella, age thirty old?

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Speaker 1: Inns to know better?

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Speaker 3: Christina Formela is a Concordia University grad and former soccer

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Speaker 3: team star. Now she's a special ed teacher and soccer

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Speaker 3: coach at Downers Grove High School in Illinois. Good Bye

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Speaker 3: for Mela's world comes crashing down when a dark secret

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Speaker 3: is revealed at a routine traffic stop.

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Speaker 1: A dark secret.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I would call alleged sex abuse

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Speaker 2: on a child a miner that is your student I

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Speaker 2: don't know that I would call that a secret.

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Speaker 1: I think more appropriately, I would call it a felony.

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Speaker 2: But caught on tape the married special ed teacher, for

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Speaker 2: peace sake, they were practically still on their honeymoon.

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Speaker 1: They'd only been married less than.

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Speaker 2: A year, I believe caught on bodycam threatening to throw up. Well,

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Speaker 2: after I learned about this case, in investigated it myself.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to throw up too. But let's take

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Speaker 2: a look. A lot of people have claimed she is

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Speaker 2: so called glamor a special ad teacher.

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Speaker 1: She's not glamorous.

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Speaker 2: To me, I have prosecuted so many child rape and

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Speaker 2: child sex abuse cases. She looks like she's uh, straight

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Speaker 2: from hell to me on police body cam?

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Speaker 4: How you doing?

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Speaker 5: Also goes on with Donar's girl.

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Speaker 6: Does you have your license on you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm explaining.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure you're confews explaining to th door your Christina, okay,

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Speaker 5: Christange to my favorite. You step on the car for me.

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Speaker 5: I know your confews. I explain everything to you. You

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Speaker 5: don't have anything on you. You can grab whatever you need.

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Speaker 1: Whatever I need.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, whatever you need to get your phone, your your

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Speaker 5: first year go and grab it.

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Speaker 7: Is she going somewhere.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna explain everything to you.

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Speaker 1: Guys, go and grab out.

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Speaker 8: We're not going anywhere right now.

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Speaker 5: Of course, of course.

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Speaker 7: I understand what's going on here.

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Speaker 5: I get Yeah, you can go to grab your thanks.

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Speaker 1: Can you come with me?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: You stay there for right now?

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Speaker 5: Is here to stay there for?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 9: You can?

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Speaker 2: Uh uh straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, joining us Director Operations,

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Speaker 2: USPA Nationwide Security, leading a team of investigators every single day.

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Speaker 1: Why are they being so solicitous to her?

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Speaker 2: She is charged with molesting a minor, a teen boy,

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Speaker 2: and I believe still lying about it, claiming it only

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Speaker 2: happened once. Uh okay, But that said Fitzgibbons, what happened

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Speaker 1: Why are they.

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Speaker 2: Saying, I'm sure you're confused. I'll explain everything. You're Christina?

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Speaker 2: What are they on a first night basis?

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Speaker 6: So here's the deal, Nancy. I believe that that police

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Speaker 6: officer actually did a very excellent job with this contact

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Speaker 1: Formela Number one.

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Speaker 6: He secured that cell phone, which is going to be

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Speaker 2: Mis Gibbons, I actually agree with you. I agree with you. However,

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Speaker 2: I believe they're being overly solicitous to what police say.

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Speaker 2: What prosecutors say is a child molester. Mis Gibbons. You're

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Speaker 2: not bending over backwards for Mela Christina from Mela because

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Speaker 1: Are you? You know it has been argued in.

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Speaker 2: The past by other teachers now convicted of child abuse

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Speaker 1: You're not on that boat, are you? Certainly not? Nancy.

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Speaker 6: What I saw there was the officer doing everything to

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Speaker 2: And you're right, Christina for Mela, special ed teacher now

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Speaker 2: charged with child sex abuse with a student, a teen

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Speaker 7: Less sir, you have a ship down there. Sure you

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Speaker 4: Shot?

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Speaker 7: You grab like a bag on there?

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Speaker 10: Can you get like a bag? Say she gets nauseous?

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Speaker 7: I don't know. Do we have any of those emisids?

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Speaker 7: Bags like going around the spot. I think she was

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 7: You stay with their ad.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm I'm going to hyperventilate right now watching

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Speaker 2: her hold on just a moment to Scott Iiker joining me.

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Speaker 2: He's joining us later regarding a cell phone analysis, but

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Speaker 2: he was the founding member, a founding member of the

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Speaker 2: FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team. But for this question former

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Speaker 2: twelve years Scott I thought there were being again overly

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Speaker 1: Going you need a tissue? Do you need a vomit bag?

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Speaker 2: But I assume you've been in the back of a

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Speaker 2: cruiser before, Scott Iiker, Well, I've.

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Speaker 11: Been in the back of a cruiser, but not in

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Speaker 11: her position. You can see what's starting to come over her.

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Speaker 11: She started to realize what she's done and she's been caught,

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Speaker 11: and that would make me nauseous too. If I was

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Speaker 2: Like her, will put you mean she's not sorry she

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Speaker 2: did it, she just doesn't want to go to Hillfort.

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Speaker 2: I was getting to the vomit bag. They have to

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Speaker 1: You know, like the kind you get on a plane.

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Speaker 11: Oh, I definitely agree. And I've had to clean out

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Speaker 11: And that smell never goes away, I swear at the

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Speaker 2: No, this never ever goes away. Cops drive with the

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Speaker 2: windows down. It doesn't help joining me an all star

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Speaker 2: panel to make sense of what we're learning right now.

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Speaker 2: But I want to see that body cam one more time.

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Speaker 1: Now. You see her threatening.

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Speaker 2: To throw up, you see her seemingly hyperventilating, crying.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to it one more time.

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Speaker 7: Unless sir, you have a ship down there. Sure you

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Speaker 7: don't want to tissue or something, all right? Shot, you

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Speaker 7: grab like a bag out.

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Speaker 12: Of there, very can you get like a bag just

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know, do we have any of those

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Speaker 7: I think she was something better than.

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Speaker 4: Here. You stay with.

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Speaker 1: Eric fattis really.

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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy. Looking at her reaction there, one could argue

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Speaker 10: it is consistent with someone who was just caught for

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Speaker 10: at it, she's confused, she's hyperventilating, she's crying, she's saying,

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Speaker 10: she's nauseous. All of those things could also be consistent

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Speaker 10: with someone who has been accused of something horrendous and

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Speaker 2: so that argument just went right down technical legal phrase

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Speaker 2: the crapper. Okay, so she's not hyperventiligning because they just

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Speaker 2: told her what she's accused of. She hasn't been told yet,

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Speaker 10: Even if she wasn't apprized of the exact nature of

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Speaker 10: is distressing, surely, and even more so if a person

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Speaker 10: did not do anything criminal and they're you know, sort

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Speaker 10: of be fuddled about what in the world is happening

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Speaker 2: Okay, even if she had I'd been at that juncture

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Speaker 2: told why she was arrested, you still are standing by

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Speaker 10: I'm just saying, in terms of a human reaction to

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Speaker 10: and they're also consistent with someone who is being accused

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Speaker 2: Erry Fatus question if you had been accused of child molestation,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say I've never done that in my life, that

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Speaker 1: I want a lawyer. You wouldn't say that.

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Speaker 10: Me personally, as a seasoned attorney. I absolutely would say that,

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Speaker 10: that is just not front of mind to her.

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Speaker 2: Gone, she's a twelve year old little girl in the

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Speaker 2: fifth grade. It's never saying law in order. You're saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: she's just thirty years old special ed teacher.

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Speaker 1: To be a special ed teacher, you have to go

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Speaker 1: to four years of school, four years.

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Speaker 2: Of college, plus all sorts of certifications. This is an

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Speaker 2: educated person that's been out in.

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Speaker 1: The workforce for years.

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Speaker 2: But you're telling me she's so naive she doesn't know

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Speaker 2: to say I didn't do that.

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Speaker 1: I want a lawyer.

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Speaker 10: The thing is, Nancy, that there's no playbook for how

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Speaker 10: to respond when a person is accused of something horrible.

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Speaker 10: Some people might react one way, whereas others might react

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Speaker 10: a different way. And I'm just, you know, in looking

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Speaker 10: at this without some sort of psychological evaluation, it's just

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Speaker 10: hard to say exactly where that reaction is coming from.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The Page County Prosecutors state that during Christina Framela's police interview,

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Speaker 2: she tried her best to portray the boy victim as

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Speaker 2: being obsessed with her because she's quote good looking.

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Speaker 1: Her words, not mine. She doesn't look good to me.

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Speaker 1: She looks like a defendant.

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Speaker 2: She also claimed her husband was very aware of the situation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, who is this woman? Chris Formela listen.

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Speaker 4: Christina Formela is a special education teacher and soccer coach

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Speaker 2: Four, straight out to Crime Stories, investigative reporter Sydney Sumner. Sidney,

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Speaker 2: According to police, she began flirting with a teen boy,

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Speaker 4: Nancy So, a mother of a Downers Grove student, went

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Speaker 4: What you know, those games in your I messages, So

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Speaker 1: Okay, Sydney, I don't like what you just said.

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Speaker 2: Some you remind me of so many defendants that would

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Speaker 2: I mean Judge Luther Alverson. But we would have plea

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Speaker 1: Grace, I caught a little burglary charge, like somebody threw it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you just said she shuts the door and a

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Speaker 2: child molesstation happened. Didn't you leave something out, Sidney Sumner?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, we're calling that a rape. That's exactly what

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Speaker 13: Is a sexual assault. This woman, this adult should never

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Speaker 13: This should be a trusted relationship. And the school said

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Speaker 5: So we do have an investigation going on.

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Speaker 1: We have to talk to you about it at the

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Speaker 5: Okay, So it works everything to do there it's not

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Speaker 5: just a don't trust Yes unfortunately, Yes, I'm willing to

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Speaker 1: I did it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Unfortunately, we have to do it that way. To

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Speaker 2: Off, joining me an all star panel to make sense

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Speaker 1: A According to some people, gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: Thirty year old special ed teacher and soccer coach busted

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Speaker 2: Is it true Sidney Sumner that she also kept a

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Speaker 1: By name, What did you just say?

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Speaker 2: The more you say something, the more likely it's going

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Speaker 1: Yes, Nancy, this is a mantra.

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Speaker 4: It's called manifestation that many young people participate in nowadays.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've heard of manifestation. I didn't think anyone actually

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Speaker 1: But you've got to hear this. Listen.

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Speaker 12: I'm not sad. I'm being mad that I led a

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Speaker 12: You lost the girl who would have stuck with you

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Speaker 1: What is she talking about? Wait a minute, who WOA?

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Speaker 2: I definitely need a shrink, But first two Anna Sonoda

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Speaker 2: joining US child sex abuse grooming expert, clinical social worker,

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Speaker 1: Do you hear her? This is the.

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Speaker 2: Woman, the grown married woman claiming quote, I'm not sad,

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Speaker 2: I am effing mad.

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Speaker 1: In the end, we both lost.

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Speaker 1: What is she talking about, Anna Sinoda?

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Speaker 9: This is no girl. This is a full grown, thirty

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Speaker 9: That means do you need to have grooming access and space?

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Speaker 9: So she groomed this boy using flattery, kindness, and highlighting

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Speaker 2: She's acting a lot, She's got a future with this

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Speaker 2: Much less than police, But I want you to hear

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Speaker 12: Listen is going to reach out to me soon and

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Speaker 12: We will both get the closure we need in order

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Speaker 12: We will be in each other's lives forever. We will

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Speaker 2: What a wackadoodle. We will be in each other's lives forever.

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Speaker 1: In caps.

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Speaker 2: We will be in each other's lives forever. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: Quote obsession with her.

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Speaker 2: Well prosecutors seem to disagree because they have charged her

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Speaker 1: He is a little boy. What is she saying?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, So these are her manifestations. A thirty year

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier, we all need to shrink right

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Speaker 2: about now. Joining us Doctor Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists specializing

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, thank you for being with us. What

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Speaker 2: Do you hear this, we will in all caps, be

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry correct, and.

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Speaker 14: What I see, what I'm hearing is something that's very dark.

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Speaker 14: Sexual predators need to keep their victims close, particularly when

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Speaker 7: This is her.

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Speaker 14: Manifestation is I don't want to get caught, so I

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Speaker 15: she allowed a sixteen year old to mess with her head.

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Speaker 7: Am I in trouble?

448
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 4: Like I'm I'm sol Loust right now, I'm love you

449
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Speaker 4: you are like I said.

450
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: Like she talked about all these ninon apps.

451
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Speaker 8: Right now, you're being to fat or an investigation you

452
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Speaker 8: never bring you in the FIFTI and once you.

453
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Speaker 2: Get this, they're going to tell you in an our.

454
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Speaker 1: Am I in trouble? Yeah? You are.

455
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Speaker 2: Now One of the most damning pieces of evidence the

456
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Speaker 2: state has is her Christina Fromela, thirty year old married

457
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Speaker 2: special ed teacher that starts quote floorty messages.

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Speaker 1: That's not how I would put it. I would call an.

459
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Speaker 2: Ticon a minor, but that said flirty messages over the

460
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Speaker 2: school app. I see my children on the school app

461
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Speaker 2: all the time.

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Speaker 1: I have personally met every one of their teachers since

463
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Speaker 1: they were in pre pre pre k.

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Speaker 2: You think this mom had any idea what was happening,

465
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Speaker 2: hgl No.

466
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Speaker 1: But you hear from Mella talking as if she has.

467
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Speaker 2: Somehow been quote done wrong. As a matter of fact,

468
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Speaker 2: her memoir that she wrote on her notes app in

469
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Speaker 2: her phone. You'd have to hear this.

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Speaker 12: Listen and once again from David one called your next

471
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Speaker 12: girlfriend You're so predictable and disgusting. Shocker. You cheated on

472
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Speaker 12: me with her. All I was to you was somebody

473
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Speaker 12: to I'm not upset, I'm not mad, I'm not any

474
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Speaker 12: of that. I've just lost interest. I went back and

475
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Speaker 12: screenshotted every single time that I said we should break

476
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Speaker 12: up until after the wedding and after you graduated, and

477
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 12: every single time you came back and convinced me it

478
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 12: would be fine. I initiated every single breakup, only for

479
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Speaker 12: you to end things saying you couldn't get over it.

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Speaker 12: You ruined us us.

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Speaker 2: You ruined us like they have a future, like they're

482
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Speaker 2: going to get married.

483
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Speaker 1: Sidney Summer explained to me what she wrote.

484
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: Did she actually say she wanted to quote break up

485
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Speaker 2: with the little boy after the wedding?

486
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Speaker 1: Yes, she did, Nancy.

487
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Speaker 4: She explained that in very good detail for prosecutors in

488
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Speaker 4: the future as this case goes to trial. She specifically

489
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: mentioned both this teen boy's graduation and her own wedding,

490
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: once again establishing that timeline that the rape occurred in

491
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Speaker 4: December of twenty twenty three, almost a year before her wedding,

492
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Speaker 4: So she references this victim by name multiple times and

493
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Speaker 4: in his breakup. In this breakup letter what this reads

494
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 4: as with the teen boy? She also references his new

495
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 4: girlfriend's name, so lots of contexts to establish that this

496
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: note is about the victim.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney Eric Fattis,

498
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Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier correctly that the defendant, the special ed

499
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: teacher Christina FROMMELA, claims the boy, the little boy, grabbed.

500
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: Her phone, put in her code, and.

501
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: Sent himself flirty and sexulated messages that he, a little boy,

502
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Speaker 2: had the wherewithal to think that he would frame her

503
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: for future black mail. Now she's already put that out there,

504
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: so you, the defense attorney, are stuck with it. You

505
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: can't just erase that that's out there, so you can't

506
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Speaker 2: now look for another defense.

507
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Speaker 1: You're stuck with her words.

508
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: Pretend that that's true, that the boy thought, Hey, a

509
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: year from now, I'm going to.

510
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: Try to blackmail her and frame her.

511
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: So I'm going to send her text from her to

512
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Speaker 2: me that I can then say, all right, that's a

513
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: flight of fancy.

514
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: But Eric Fattis, what about her memoir?

515
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: What about the notes on her iPhone where she talks

516
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Speaker 2: about how angry she is?

517
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: He got a new quote girlfriend and their future.

518
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: You know, she claims they only had sex aka raped

519
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: him one time, but this shows they have been an

520
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: item for a long time since.

521
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: Before her wedding.

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Speaker 10: Nancy, the multiplicity of messages here, if authentic, is surely problematic.

523
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 10: You know, the defense is going to say that at

524
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 10: this day and age, sixteen year olds are pretty technologically savvy.

525
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 10: Some of them are more sophisticated than others. And then

526
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 10: on the other hand, sometimes they do irrational, erratic, weird things,

527
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 10: and perhaps all of that culminated in this alleged act

528
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 10: where he tried to text him from her phone to

529
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 10: sort of blackmailer. That's what the defense is going to argue.

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Speaker 10: When it comes to the memoir I think the defense

531
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Speaker 10: is going to say that there's some murmurs about, at

532
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 10: least according to Formela, that that references to sexual activity

533
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 10: in the memoirs actually relate to the husband and not

534
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 10: to the time.

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00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: So what.

536
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Speaker 2: Did you just say that everything is about the teen

537
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: boy except accept what she's talking about sex and then

538
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: that's about the husband in the same paragraph.

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00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 10: That is what the defense has reported. That is what

540
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 10: I've read and reports in terms of what is being

541
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Speaker 10: referenced in these memoirs. The allegation is that this was

542
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 10: kind of an outlet for her anxiety. Is how she

543
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 10: put it, I believe, And you know, sometimes people write

544
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 10: stuff down and sometimes there's overlap and ideas we get conflated,

545
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Speaker 10: and perhaps that is the direction her defensible doe to

546
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 10: try to explain what's in this memoir as it compares

547
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 10: to the text messages on the iCloud server.

548
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

549
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: According to charging documents, a married Illinois school teacher sex assaulted.

550
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: A teen boy she was tutoring, but now.

551
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: Tries to change the narrative, claiming the boy was her

552
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: stalker and.

553
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: That her husband knew all about it.

554
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: Well, that's not what the husband says, and that's not

555
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: what prosecutors say, Brian. Can we believe anything? Christina Formella says.

556
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: You have the text messages back and forth between her

557
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: and the child victim, you have her memoir, and then

558
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: you have her and the ability she possesses to put

559
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: on an Oscar worthy performance.

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00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: Can I ask you?

561
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 5: Of course, Yeah, it's not like I said that.

562
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 8: My investigation obviously for here for a reason, So go

563
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 8: and turn her off for me, so right now being detained,

564
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 8: and there is a time that needs to talk to

565
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Speaker 8: you at the police department.

566
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Speaker 5: So we'll let your husband know he can just come

567
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 5: to the police armer as well if he wants to

568
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 5: wait for you there.

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Speaker 9: I'm like, I get it.

570
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Speaker 5: You had a lot of questions. Scared, Yeah, everything's okay.

571
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 5: We just need to talk to you at the poetry

572
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: that's all.

573
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: I am like, so scared.

574
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Speaker 2: That's nothing that can hold a candle to what this

575
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: boy's mother felt when she saw those messages saved in

576
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: the iCloud Brian, certainly.

577
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Speaker 6: And you said it well, Nancy, that the defense has

578
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 6: already put out this conspiracy theory that the teen boy

579
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 6: was texting himself from her phone, and they're going to

580
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 6: have to produce evidence that supports that, all right, data

581
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 6: from the boy's cell phone data, other data from her phone,

582
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 6: from other minor witnesses that would have seen or heard

583
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 6: about this conspiracy. So I don't think we can believe

584
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 6: much of what she's saying right here.

585
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 5: Once you're the police department, you'll talk to detective and

586
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 5: hostline difference.

587
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can't even give me like an I

588
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: at the.

589
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 5: Moment, that's an investigation that I can't really tell you

590
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 5: right now.

591
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

592
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 5: I wish I could tell you more.

593
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 7: Excuse me?

594
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: Is my husband coming with Yes, he's taking.

595
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 10: Phone over down more day time for him.

596
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Speaker 5: We're just going down and grow the ten minutes away.

597
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 4: No, I know, but I really would prefer that my

598
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Speaker 4: husband's with me.

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00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: Of course, may I want to rethink that about how

600
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: your husband learns his wife is charged with sex abusing

601
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: a boys student.

602
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: Back to did sheery issues?

603
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: I want you to hear one more excerpt from Christina

604
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: Frommela the Special Ed Teachers Memoirs. She wrote in her

605
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: own iPhone Listen.

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Speaker 12: I warned you we should have never started dating a long, long,

607
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 12: long time ago, and you gas lit me and convinced

608
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 12: me it was fine every single time because that's who

609
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 12: you are. We will never ever be together again. I'm

610
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 12: not a second choice. I'm the best thing you'll ever have.

611
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 12: Even with all my mistakes, you once again waited and

612
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 12: strung me along until it was convenient for you. It

613
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 12: broke me last time. This time it changed me.

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Speaker 1: You know, Aniston Noda.

615
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have encountered other child molesters

616
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: that believe they have a relationship with the child.

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Speaker 1: But that's what this sounds like.

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Speaker 9: I'm having to hold my tongue over here, Nancy. She

619
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 9: is working so hard to justify her own actions, which

620
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Speaker 9: is classic predator behavior dating. She has the audacity to

621
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Speaker 9: use the word dating. There is no way this is

622
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 9: anywhere near dating. This is grooming. This looks like flattery,

623
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Speaker 9: favoritism forbidden fruits.

624
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 10: You entice a.

625
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 9: Young boy with the possibility of sexual contact, that doesn't

626
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 9: mean that he was the mastermind behind her plan. I

627
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 9: am just shocked, But I do want to pinpoint some

628
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 9: exceptionally positive things about this case. The mom in this

629
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 9: case needs a gold medal. She checked the self on information,

630
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 9: she followed up. She then reported it to police, and

631
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Speaker 9: the police investigated and it led to an arrest. That

632
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 9: is a best case scenario. Unfortunately, that's a rarity in

633
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Speaker 9: these sorts of cases. But those individuals deserve recognition for

634
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Speaker 9: acting on that child's best behalf.

635
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: You know, this is bringing to mind another case Mary

636
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 2: Kay Laturno, who continued to milest Veali Flau. I believe

637
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: at that time he was about twelve years old. Years

638
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: past and when she got out of jail.

639
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: They actually got married and had a family.

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00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 11: Listen for anybody first time figure out what love is

641
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 11: for the first time, you know, that's all you know.

642
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 13: So for what I know that it was back then, Yeah,

643
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 13: I would say that.

644
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 9: That was real love.

645
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: That of our friends at New seven Again.

646
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 2: Villi Flau was twelve years old when she began raping him.

647
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: They went on to have a family together.

648
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: In this case, it sounds as if for Mela believes the.

649
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: Two have a future together.

650
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: Let me go to Scott Iiker joining as founding member

651
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team, former police officer, homicide detective

652
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: as well. I want to talk to you about the

653
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: defense and we heard fattest trying to explain it amazingly

654
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: with a straight face. Scott Iiker, howe or can we

655
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: prove that the boy did not send the messages from

656
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: her phone to himself to frame her or to use

657
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: his blackmail at some unknown future day?

658
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: Is that possible?

659
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 11: It is. There's several different ways you can validate this

660
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 11: information or disprove what the defendant is saying. We've got

661
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 11: the records from the phone company, We've got the extraction

662
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 11: information from the phone, We've got the school app that

663
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 11: you're talking about. We also can look at in the

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Speaker 11: specific part which you mentioned, which is did he send

665
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Speaker 11: messages from her phone? We can look at where their

666
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Speaker 11: two phones were at the time. Was his phone in

667
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 11: the same location as hers? That might indicate that he

668
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 11: sent those text messages from her phone. But if he's

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Speaker 11: somewhere else, there's no way he could have sent those messages.

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Speaker 11: So a lot of different ways we can look at

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Speaker 11: this and tear that defensive part. And it's not really

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Speaker 11: easy to break into someone's phone then go through their

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Speaker 11: app and then copy that and then send it to

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Speaker 11: someone else.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure you don't want to issue or something.

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 16: Set there, we are learning that the special ed teacher

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Speaker 16: turned child molestation defendant is claiming she's too quote.

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Speaker 2: Good looking for jail and that she has been targeted

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Speaker 2: because she's so pretty.

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Speaker 1: Not the first time I've heard that argument. So why

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Speaker 1: do you think you've got all the attention? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I'll say it. Do you think it's because you're pretty?

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Speaker 1: I think so. In sex sells.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's our friends at NBC, and you were hearing

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Speaker 2: Deborah Lefay, convicted from a listing a student, claim she

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Speaker 2: was targeted because she is quote so pretty okay Sidney Sumner.

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Speaker 2: Is that claim being made in the current case by

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Speaker 2: Christina Fromella, Yes.

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Speaker 1: It is so.

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Speaker 4: Her whole defense to this is again relying on that

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Speaker 4: blackmail idea that this teenage boy broke into her phone

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Speaker 4: sent these text messages to himself to make it look

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Speaker 4: like there was a conversation between the two of them,

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Speaker 4: and she says that that happened because she cared about

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Speaker 4: him too much and she is good looking, so she

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Speaker 4: claims she is.

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Speaker 1: A good person who just maybe got.

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Speaker 4: A little bit too close to a student, but she

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Speaker 4: did not rape him, and she is.

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Speaker 1: Only being targeted because she is so pretty Sidney.

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Speaker 2: She is also claiming that the quote sex translation rape

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Speaker 2: only occurred one time, but according to the text messages

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Speaker 2: and her own notes in her note area of her

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Speaker 2: iPhone show that a relationship lasted for a really long

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Speaker 2: time and she wanted it to go on, except the

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Speaker 2: little boy got a girl friend his own age.

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Speaker 4: So Nancy the defendant for Mella, she is claiming that

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Speaker 4: they did not have sex in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 4: She is claiming that that text message exchange was not

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Speaker 4: discussing something that.

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Speaker 1: Happened, but was blackmail to try and roper into having

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Speaker 1: sex with him in the future.

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Speaker 4: The victim told police that the encounter in December of

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, that rape is the only encounter between them.

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Speaker 4: So that's what the victim told police. But again, this

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Speaker 4: victim got caught by his mother in an embarrassing situation.

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Speaker 4: So is he telling the full truth? Because if he

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Speaker 4: had any kind of romantic feelings for this woman for

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Speaker 4: his teacher, he likely does not want to see her

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Speaker 4: go down the same way Billy Fullove did. So it

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Speaker 4: is one hundred percent possible that this abuse was much more.

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Speaker 1: Extensive and ongoing than police realize. Is she out on bond?

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Speaker 2: Yes, she is two daughter Sherry sh joining US forensicance psychologists.

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Speaker 2: You know, if this were reversed and the alleged abuser

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Speaker 2: was a man and the victim was a fifteen year

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Speaker 2: old little girl, he would be under the jail.

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Speaker 1: Why the difference, Well.

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Speaker 14: The difference is because there's a stereotype that because this

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Speaker 14: is a teenage boy, that this is their fantasy. So

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Speaker 14: somehow it's not as serious or troubling a crime when

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Speaker 14: it's an older woman with a teenage boy. Especially a

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Speaker 14: pretty older woman.

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Speaker 1: But this is false.

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Speaker 14: We know that the harm is the same regardless. This

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Speaker 14: is a minor child. She had an obligation to behave

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Speaker 14: ethically and adhere to boundaries. She never should across a boundary.

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Speaker 2: You know, Lady Justice is blind for a reason. Crossing

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Speaker 2: boundaries yes. Unethical yes, but as a former prosecutor of

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Speaker 2: violent felonies, just crossing boundaries, It's not just an ethical

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Speaker 2: this is a crime. Lady Justice does not make a

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Speaker 2: note of whether the victim is a little boy or

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Speaker 2: a little girl, or whether the defendant is a stereotypical

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Speaker 2: child molester stalking a playground and a trench code and

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Speaker 2: a pair of socks, or a pretty young special ed

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Speaker 2: teacher age thirty the defendant the alleged victim fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Let's think about that.

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Speaker 2: We wait as justice on friends, Goodbye friend,