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Speaker 1: Podcast play Goun's Taking a Walk with Buds Night Jean Levanchi,

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Speaker 1: how a young lad from the mean streets of Walpole

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Speaker 1: became one of the most recognizable anchors in Boston. I'm Buzzsnight,

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Speaker 1: the host of the Taking a Walk podcast, and we

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Speaker 1: are at Bird Park and Walpole to meet up with

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Speaker 1: a man who's interviewed newsmakers, celebrities everyday citizens. He's hit

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Speaker 1: every zip code in this fine state. I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: of field anchoring, the very popular zip trips, and he's

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Speaker 1: even mastered the fine art of floating dad jokes. Welcome

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Speaker 1: Jean Levanchi, anchor Boston twenty five News to Taking a Walk.

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Speaker 1: It's great, great to be with you, Thanks for the invite,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for coming out here to beautiful Bird Park

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Speaker 1: in Walpole. It's so great to be here. And how

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Speaker 1: does one master the fine nerd of the floating dad jokes? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll say this, you don't have to necessarily

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Speaker 1: be a dad to do it. You just have to

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Speaker 1: like a good pun and just throw it out there

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Speaker 1: and see what happens. And if you're lucky enough, some

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Speaker 1: will pop into your head. Here or there. There are

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Speaker 1: the old standards, of course, but just having the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to throw them in when they pop up is it's

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Speaker 1: fun and practice, practice, practice, I guess. Don't be afraid

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Speaker 1: you got a dad joke, Just throw it out there.

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Speaker 1: Let's all right. What was one recently that you think

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Speaker 1: really hit it out of the park. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if they hit him out of the park, but something

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Speaker 1: comes up. It's kind of a dad joke approach, I guess,

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Speaker 1: instead of actually telling a dad joke. Like today, we

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Speaker 1: did something and you know, marijuana is now the top

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Speaker 1: product in Massachusetts. It's almost doubled cranberries. So I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: we had to dig through the weeds to get this one.

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Speaker 1: There you go. You mix the cranberries with you know,

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Speaker 1: your Thanksgiving dinner, it's going to be a pot belly.

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Speaker 1: So it's all kind of interconnected. So any stupid little

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Speaker 1: thing you have you can throw out there. It's the best.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever think in your in your lifetime that

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Speaker 1: you'd see marijuana legalized and gambling legalists? No, no, gambling maybe,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but the marijuana when I, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was growing up, it's always like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's taboo, And now it's embraced and now it's a

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Speaker 1: big revenue generator casinos. Now you think about the new

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Speaker 1: revenue streams here in Massachusetts that we've had that didn't

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Speaker 1: exist before, which is part of the reason everybody's getting

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Speaker 1: a check because the state generated too much tax revenue,

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Speaker 1: which kicked into that law from nineteen eighty six. So

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Speaker 1: everybody's going to get a refund. But you have the

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Speaker 1: you know, the marijuana, casino gambling, and the sports betting

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Speaker 1: coming up. Now it's it's remarkable. And I never ever

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Speaker 1: people I know friends will say buzz, that's right, who

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Speaker 1: use it in college? And you're trying to hide And

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Speaker 1: then now you just go on the street smokes some

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Speaker 1: marijuana and nobody thinks anything about it. Life is so

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Speaker 1: it's crazy, and who knows where else we're going from here? Right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to know? Yeah, no, right,

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Speaker 1: just stay in the here and now and deal with that.

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Speaker 1: So set the scene. We're at this beautiful park here

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Speaker 1: especially with four kids, we would come here to play

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Speaker 1: the big open field. There'd be a lot of youth

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Speaker 1: soccer going on here, tennis tournaments. As I was telling

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Speaker 1: tournament here, and I'm not sure that trophy still exists,

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Speaker 1: but at a moment you remember as a kid, and

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Speaker 1: it's just a beautiful open space. We'd come here in

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Speaker 1: and it's still a beautiful place for people, families to

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Speaker 1: Did you ever envision that you'd become a celebrity in

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Speaker 1: your own backyard? Jean, No, and I don't. I'm not

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Speaker 1: you try to approach it as if you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: And it's a very subjective thing, you know, in our business.

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Speaker 1: There are ratings, but those can be spun any way

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Speaker 1: this guy's valuable. There's really nothing that can tie us

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Speaker 1: into two ratings. You can try to make that case.

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Speaker 1: But if someone doesn't like you and they're in a

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Speaker 1: well they don't like it, it's all over and there's

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Speaker 1: and you do it day after day, and that leads

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Speaker 1: zip trips I've always loved how it just really it's

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Speaker 1: he's you know, there was an old line when they

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Speaker 1: were killing some team and a game in August and

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Speaker 1: he was trying to leg out a double, and like, Joe,

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Speaker 1: why are you trying so hard? And he says, well,

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Speaker 1: there may be somebody here who's never seen me play before.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of stuck that in the back of

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Speaker 1: my mind, and I think, going back to advice for

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Speaker 1: kids or anybody getting into this business or whatever it

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Speaker 1: is you're doing, you never know who's watching, you never

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Speaker 1: know who's paying attention, so whatever you're doing doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: How big or how small, make it your Picasso. Make

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Speaker 1: everything you do try to be your Picasso Field saying

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Speaker 1: goes be a job, big or small, do it well

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Speaker 1: or not at all. It's kind of a not a

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Speaker 1: dad joke, but dad philosophy there, Buzz Jean, that's a

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Speaker 1: great way to kill it, nail it for at the

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Speaker 1: end here, thanks for being that. I've enjoyed it so much.

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Speaker 1: Buzz I appreciate you asking me, and thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Okay. Taking a Walk with Buzznight is available

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Speaker 1: on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.