1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: I am Holly Frye and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: talked about hydroponics this week. 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: We did one of my current obsessions, which is I'm 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: in a dangerous place with the plant situation. Yeah, I 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen here in this house. 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: I was at a friend's a friend's house over the 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: weekend and it was not a hydroponic setup, but it 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: was a bookshelf by the window that had a lot 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: of plants on it. And we currently don't have a 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: lot of indoor plants in our house because when we 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: tried that, the candies liked to dig the dirt out 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: with their paws. Yeah, they didn't use the bathroom in there, 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: which would have been worse, but like they like there was. 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: I was just constantly finding that the dirt had been 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: put on the floor, and so I have thought of 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: various strategies to try to do something else. Some other 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: plants set up that I haven't really worked out. But 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: this this shelf was so packed with plants that there 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: would not really be a lot of room for a 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: cat to get on there, and I was like, what 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: if what if I did that? Would that work? 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: Maybe? 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: Possibly your girls are also going to hit that age. Right, 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: they're six. 27 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: They were born in twenty nineteen, so almost turned. 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: Six this year. I most cats. This is my experiential evidence, 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: having had many cats in the ages of six to 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: seven and then again at twelve to thirteen. They have 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: a little like gear shift in terms of their behavior 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: and energy where they just chill out a little bit. 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: So maybe they'll also be like, it's fine, I don't 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: care now, don't care about it. Are My hydroponic garden 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: is in our canteena where the cats don't generally go. 36 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: It is Star Wars themed. 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: Because the idea is that we will have fresh garnish 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: for our cocktails at all times. Right, you told me that, 39 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: and I was like, but it's a great idea. 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: Oh it's so good. 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: Fresh mint is where it's at. You gotta be careful 42 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: with me because it will take over. But we're also 43 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: growing lettuce and peppers and other things. But yeah, I'm 44 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: obsessed with it. The first thing I do every morning 45 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: is I look at the camera when I wake up 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: to see the plants downstairs, and then when I drag 47 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: my Badonka out of bed, I make a coffee and 48 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: I go sit with the plants down. But we also 49 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: there's an offshoot of this, which is that I always 50 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: like plants, and I have gone through various periods where 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm in a garden, and I have mixed results, 52 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: usually because I end up moving things outside when it 53 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: gets nice, and because it's Georgia and our yard gets 54 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: a lot of sun during the day. Some plants that 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: even though they say full sun cannot hack it, can't 56 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: do it now, and they either perish or I try 57 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: to move them inside and they become confused and they 58 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: like shut down. But this time I'm like, you know what, 59 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: We'll put some stuff outside, but I'm going to focus 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: on developing a whole indoor growing setup. So in addition 61 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: to the hydroponic garden in our gym, which we're now 62 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: calling the jungle gym because it too has many many 63 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: plants in it, I have a lot of grow lights 64 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of setup. And I knew it was 65 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: a lot when my dear friend who watches our cats 66 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: and when we travel and is also like a sibling 67 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: to me, and is also a very accomplished gardener. 68 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: She had come over. 69 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: To meet our new kiddies and I was like, oh, 70 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: I should show you our garden set up in the 71 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: gym so that you know, next time you have to 72 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: watch the cats that I might need some water help. 73 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: And I opened the door and she went. 74 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 75 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, well, it's good for me, 76 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: but also I just I love it. I don't it's 77 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: it's very good for my mental health. I'm telling you, 78 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: my therapist to I feel like I could probably deduct 79 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: the plant costs. 80 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: I won't. 81 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: It's fine. I said to you before we started that 82 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: I can't decide if Gerrikey was a pill or not. Yeah, yeah, 83 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean it seems like I want to I want 84 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: to not be judgmental, and I really, honestly do see 85 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: a way where the real problems were just that sometimes 86 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: people do not agree, and when it's a science like 87 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: that that is just getting its footing in terms of 88 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: public recognition. Everybody has a different take, and they may 89 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: very well feel affronted by the takes of others, and 90 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: I want to think it's just that and they maybe 91 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: just didn't handle it in the most awesome way, But 92 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: then some of the things he writes, I'm like, you 93 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: know other people did this, right, do you not know 94 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: about the Aztecs? 95 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 2: Like I don't. 96 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: I also wanted to mention because I'm sure some listeners 97 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: were like, question, China, sure, because right, like we always 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: see images of like rice patties that are flooded with 99 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: water and that's how they're growing rice and whatnot. I'm 100 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: sure it exists out there, but perhaps not in English language. 101 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: Could not really find any good scientific information about any 102 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, Like I found some theoretical that, oh, 103 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: like one sounded very much like a Mother Goose story 104 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: where it was like and then the field flooded and 105 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: they realized that the rice grew better. And I'm like, 106 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: but how do you how do you know that maybe 107 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: that is what happened. I don't know, but there was 108 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: no like clear thing. And then even the the scientific 109 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: articles that I was able to find about hydroponics in 110 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: China focused on developments in the nineteen seventies and later 111 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: about how they're using those to grow rice, And I'm like, 112 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 1: this doesn't really help what I'm trying to do here. 113 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: So if you feel like China was left out, I 114 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: promise you. I did not want to, but I also 115 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: didn't feel like we could say anything yeah that had 116 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: any merit. I also felt like folks to just take 117 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: for granted that when we're talking about hydroponics, we are 118 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: talking about growing growing plants without the benefit of the 119 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: soil when they don't typically grow that way, right, Right, 120 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: Because there are plants that grow on the water, right, 121 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: and maybe they have long roots that get down to 122 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: the soil at some point, but like they're mostly on 123 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: the water. Like that's just that's not we were talking about. 124 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: We did talk about ever so briefly in that Francis 125 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: Bacon quote, right, but we were talking about about plants 126 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: that that's not typically how they grow. 127 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: Right. 128 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: Francis Bacon's writings on the natural world are spectacular, wrong, 129 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: very funny. I don't mean to laugh at the man. 130 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: But they didn't have stuff figured out yet. 131 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 132 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: Well, and I say we still don't. I say, in four. 133 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: Hundred years, right, we're still reading stuff that our scientists 134 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: were incredibly confident about that we're not in fact right 135 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: way there. Yeah, But also I love that I don't 136 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: have it open in front of me, but the way 137 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: everything is phrased It is like exactly what we're always told, 138 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: especially you know when we've worked in more journalistic efforts 139 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: that you should not do, which is like and some 140 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: say like that's how everything in his list of natural 141 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: things starts, which just cracks me up. I will also 142 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: tell you about the very best, the very best, incorrect 143 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 1: and beautiful transfer from a book that has been scanned 144 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: in on internet archive too. 145 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: I love it. 146 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: Okay, when you click the thing that says full text 147 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: and it just takes you to a plain text version 148 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: of it. 149 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and often. 150 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: You know, there's machine reading going on, so often they 151 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: don't get the words right. But this is where I 152 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: found what might be my new favorite word, hydraponies. And 153 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: I was like, this is a spinoff cartoon of my 154 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: little pony, the hydroponies that all have a garden. I 155 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but it happened repeatedly in 156 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: one of the books, and I was cackling every time. 157 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: It would be like the merits of hydroponies, and I'd be. 158 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: Like, this is so funny. Hydroponies. 159 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: When I was in college, I went to the National 160 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: Conference on Undergraduate Research and the university that was hosting 161 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: it people have sent in their abstracts for their papers 162 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: that they were going to deliver at this conference, and 163 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: they had been run through some kind of like OCR 164 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: situation to turn the physical pieces of paper that we 165 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: sent in with our transcripts, or transcripts we send them 166 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: with their applications to transfer that into a book full 167 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: of all of the abstracts. And this one person in 168 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: one of the literature she went to a different school, 169 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: and she was talking about how at the very last 170 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: minute an advisor on her paper had said, well, so 171 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: and so wasn't a modern poet, though he was a 172 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: postmodern poet. And she got very freaked out because in 173 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: my memory this was a woman. I could be making 174 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,599 Speaker 1: it up wrong, but she got very freaked out. She 175 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: was like, oh no, when I sent in my abstract, 176 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: did I say that this was a modern poet or 177 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: did I say a postmodern poet? And because of the 178 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: OCR process that had not gone flawlessly, her abstract said 179 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: that he that this poet was a modem poet. 180 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: Oh, of course, I super. 181 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: Love finding the wild you know, recognition errors in those 182 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: kinds of things when doing research for the Chapones delighted 183 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: me thoroughly. There was also to go back to Gerrikey 184 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: a very funny, brief sort of description of him in 185 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: a Time magazine write up, and I don't know what 186 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: they were getting at, So I will read it to 187 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: you and you tell me what you think it reads. 188 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: Quote when Newshawks ask him whether he expects to make 189 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: a lot of money out of hydroponics, he just smiles, 190 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: shows two gold teeth. The look on your face is 191 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: so good. I don't know if they're saying, yes, he's 192 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: flash and he thinks he's gonna make a bunch of money, 193 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: or if they're like, he's just a dude with dental 194 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: stuff going on. 195 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: I don't know what they're saying. Ah, but I'm grateful 196 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: for the work because I'm enjoying my you're enjoying your 197 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: hydroponic garden. 198 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: I am. I have like many things. I have, you know, 199 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: several dozen things growing. It's all very exciting. It's very exciting. 200 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: I I will laugh and tell you this story, which 201 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: is that I would say a solid fifty to sixty 202 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: percent of the time when I tell someone that I 203 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: have a hydroponic garden in my canteena, they immediately think 204 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: I am growing drugs, right, and I'm like, hello, it's Romaine. 205 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's not very exciting. I'm two square. 206 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 207 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: More than twenty years ago, I knew somebody who had 208 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: a hydroponic setup in the basement and a ward fully 209 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: contained right, but even with the wardrobe doors closed, there 210 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: was like a purple glow that that would come out 211 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: through the cracks, and was getting ready to sell his 212 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: house and trying to figure out what to do because 213 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: that setup was fully not legal in any way in 214 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: North Carolina. Twenty however, many years ago, and trying to 215 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: think of a story to explain the strange wardrobe in 216 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: the basement with a purple glow. 217 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 2: I really really. 218 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: Love bell peppers all year round. I'm like Tiberius, I 219 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: need my fruits and vegetables every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 220 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm very boring. The wildest thing I'm growing, which is 221 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: not in the hydroponic garden, is a plant that is 222 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: colloquially called a buzz button. This is also for cocktail purposes. 223 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: It makes a little flower that it has a natural 224 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: numbing and it's gotten very very popular in cocktails in 225 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: the last few years, where like sometimes some places will 226 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: put like a whole flower in a drink is a garnish. 227 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: But also if you go to Galaxy's Edge and you've 228 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: ordered a drink that has that foam on top, that's 229 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: what it is. That's what's causing it a fuzzy tontan. 230 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: It just numbs your mouth a little bit while you drink. 231 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: So that's the wildest thing I'm growing. The rest is like, ooh, 232 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: purple cauliflower very wide. This week, we talked about the 233 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: Great Episootic of eighteen seventy two by listener request. Yeah, 234 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: a couple of things didn't make it into the episode 235 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: because I couldn't figure out a great place. 236 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: To put them. What was that there? 237 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if this actually happened, but there was 238 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: definitely rumor of kind of a horse speculation that was 239 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: going on where people would buy critically ill horses for 240 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: very low amounts of money, hoping to sell them if 241 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: and when they recovered from the horse blu. 242 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: My gosh, horse flipping. Yeah, that's wild. It's wild. It 243 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: seems like I don't know, I can imagine this really happening. 244 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: Uh. 245 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: But also once this was well underway, like word had 246 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: really spread that this was a thing that most horses 247 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: recovered from if they were allowed to rest and taken 248 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: care of while they were sick. So it seems like 249 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: the only people that would have been still working their 250 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: horses really hard and then selling them off for cheap 251 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: would have been horrible people in my opinion. 252 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: Right, horrible people would do. 253 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: Well, here's what I see as a possibility, Okay, people 254 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: that were really struggling to survive without their day to 255 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: day income. Sure, and some person swooped in and was 256 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: like and knew that the horse would probably recover, and 257 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: was like, oh, by your horse. Yeah, And so it 258 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: looked probably like a decent thing to be, like, I'll 259 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: get X amount of money today to feed my family. Yeah, 260 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: But then like they would be kind of left in 261 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: the lurch down the road. I could see that person 262 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: who maybe wasn't able to let their horse rest or 263 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: pay for treatment selling their horse. You're being more sympathetic 264 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: than me, and in this particular I am, because people 265 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: in desperate moments will make maybe not the best long 266 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: term decisions to survive. Yeah, sure, I understand that. Usually 267 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: I feel like not maybe not usually I think sometimes 268 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: our positions are reversed and like, who is having the 269 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: most sympathetic read on a thing. Well, it depends greatly 270 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: on the thing. Yeah, there are places where I have 271 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: grace and others where I do not. Another thing that 272 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: felt like a whole kind of big digression. So I 273 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: originally had it in the outline and then I took 274 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: it out. 275 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: Was like, it became. 276 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: Pretty clear among people who knew what they were talking 277 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: about that this was a contagion that was being spread. 278 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: There were, of course still people who thought that there 279 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: was something else going on, but there was also an 280 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: almost conspiracy theory put forth by this guy named Joseph Walkup, 281 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: who was the editor of The Plasser Harold, which was 282 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: a I don't remember what state the Plaser Harold was in, 283 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: but this was like in the mining country of the West, 284 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: and he was not a fan of Grant Ulysses Grant 285 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: or of General Phillip Sheridan and kind of cooked up 286 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: this whole story claiming that after the Marius Massacre, which 287 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: was three years before this, the army had stolen all 288 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: of the indigenous people's horses and taken them to Canada, 289 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: and that that was what had introduced this disease to 290 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: Canada in the first place, which is just like this 291 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 1: was way more about his disagreement with Grant and Grant's 292 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: policies and Sheridan than anything actually about Indigenous people or 293 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: their horses. But it was kind of weird to see 294 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory cooked up out of whole cloth in 295 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: relation to this influenza outbreak among the horses. It is 296 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: the second time in pretty recent memory that that massacre 297 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: has come up on the show, and I had said 298 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: previously that it could be a whole episode of its own, 299 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: So maybe that's a sign that it should be one 300 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,479 Speaker 1: in the nearish future. 301 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: We'll see, maybe maybe When I first. 302 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: Got the listener request for this topic, I just a 303 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: thought that it was something that had been a lot 304 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: more lethal to horses than it had been. I did 305 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: not realize that, as you know, if horses were allowed 306 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: to rest and care for that most of them did recover, 307 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: but the number of horses that died was still a 308 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: major thing. Like that was still a major thing. And 309 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: then the disruption while the horses were sick also a 310 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: really major thing. So I don't know for sure that 311 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: bird flu is what prompted the episode request, but it 312 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: does seem like it could have been. Yeah, oh for sure, 313 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: A reasonable a reasonable information, information, a reasonable inspiration. I 314 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: could have responded and asked, but I did not get 315 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: that done before we came in here to record this. 316 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: I have been thinking, as we've been discussing this that 317 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: I was never a horse girl. 318 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I never went through the horse face. 319 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: And I know why, Okay, which is that, like, I 320 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: think they're beautiful and I really like them as animals, Yes, 321 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: but I remember reading when I was very young, probably 322 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: eight or nine, that horses are always like a second 323 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: away from madness. The whole thing that like, they have 324 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: an unpredictability that they could, if startled, become essentially a 325 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: different animal than you have known. And I think that 326 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: rooted in my brain so hard that I'm like, I 327 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: think you're beautiful, but I don't trust you for a second, 328 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: which I'm sure horse people listening to this are like, 329 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: oh yeah, but it's just this. It's the size combined 330 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: with the possibility of unpredictable behavior that made me scared. 331 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: As a kid. 332 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I grew up kind of out in the country. 333 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: Like I've talked about, We grew all our own vegetables. 334 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: My neighbor had cows. Neigh also had a pasture that 335 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: he rented out for people to keep their horses in, 336 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: and so whenever there were horses being kept in this pasture, 337 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: we would walk down there with my mom and look 338 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: at the horses. 339 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: And I love to look at the horses. And I 340 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 2: knew people. 341 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: Through school or church who rode horses and took horseback 342 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: riding lessons and in one case had a horse of 343 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: her own. 344 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: I guess two cases. 345 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: There was like one person who lived on a farm 346 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: they had horses. One person who was in the higher 347 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: economic echelon of where I grew up and had a 348 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: horse in a fancy way. Yeah, and like I really 349 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: wanted a horse, had no concept of how expensive a 350 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: horse was. And in my head, I was like, but 351 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: the neighbor has this pasture, the horse could live there, 352 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: And it's like that has been so easy, It would 353 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: be so easy. That does not take into account anything 354 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: involved with them. To stress this I was a child again, 355 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: does not involve anything involving all of the expensive courses. 356 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: What I did have, though, was a lot of my 357 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: little ponies. Oh and I sure did love the my 358 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: little ponies. And boy have I been getting a lot 359 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: of advertisements on the internet about fortieth anniversary anniversary collections 360 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: of the Little Ponies that I had as a child, 361 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: which has just kind of been causing me some existential 362 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: feelings about the age that I am and how long 363 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: ago forty years was when I was a child getting 364 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: the Little Ponies. I am just enough older than you 365 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: that My Little Ponies missed me by a year or two. Yeah, 366 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: but I do remember the commercials distinctly. Yeah, I could 367 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: still sing you, but I won't the My Little Ponies 368 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: show Stable commercial in its entirety. Yeah, I didn't want it. 369 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: I just knew it. 370 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 371 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: There was one year where I got the show stable 372 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: for Christmas. My brother got this skeletor castle thing from he. 373 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and. 374 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: My brother. 375 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: Quote accidentally found the Christmas presence. Yeah in quotation marks accidentally. Yeah, 376 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: I know that accident. I had that same accident a 377 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: few times. Yeah, he accidentally ran We had a in 378 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: the basement that we had a basement with a concrete floor, 379 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: and we would ride the big wheel in circles around 380 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: the basement and he quote accidentally ran into this little 381 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: metal storage thing that was in the basement and it 382 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: accidentally opened the door, and he accidentally saw what was inside, 383 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: which was our Christmas presence is a perfectly. 384 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: Normal accident, even understand. 385 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was so livid about being told what was 386 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: gonna be happening for Christmas? You were, Yeah, I didn't. 387 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to be I wanted to be surprised. Oh yeah, 388 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: oh yeah, No, that's not how we worked it at 389 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: our house at all. 390 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 3: Now. 391 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: No, we literally would steam open the ends of wrap packages, 392 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: slide the box out, investigate and notate, slide it back 393 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: in and retape it. Yeah, things that were already wrapped 394 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: in under the tree we would kind of try to guess, 395 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 1: but these were not wrapped yet, these were in uh hidden. 396 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: I still would have been fine because that was where 397 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: I could put in my tiny child planner, all the 398 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: ways I was going to play with it. That was 399 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: like the way I engaged with pre gift time gift information, 400 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: and then I'm going to put the following seven ponies 401 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: in the following order in the show's table, Like that's 402 00:23:59,119 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: how I would have done that. 403 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I loved to know. 404 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: I did. 405 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: I did have an accident that was a legit accident 406 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: once that I cannot take full responsibility for because, as 407 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, I have been sewing since I was three. Yeah, 408 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: and one of the things that my mom used to do. 409 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure why it landed there because she 410 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: had like sewing areas in the house, but she used 411 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: to when I was very small, kept like a plastic 412 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: bag of tiny scrap fabric and a plastic bag of 413 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: yarn in her closet, and there had been times where 414 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: she I would be like, Hey, do we have fabric 415 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: this color? 416 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: I can use it. 417 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: You'd be like, I don't know, go check the scrap bag, 418 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: and I would, and one time, without asking her first, 419 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: I went and checked the scrap bag and I found 420 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: the raggedy anole that she had made me for Christmas. 421 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: And I didn't need anyone clocket that it was for 422 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: me for Christmas. I literally walked out of her room, going, 423 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so cool. 424 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: Who is it? What is this about? 425 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: And she was just like horrified, and I was like, 426 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: oh no, I was just trying to find yarn and fabric. 427 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, and I did, but it was formed 428 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: into a cool thing already. Oh well, yeah, but I 429 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: had that accident a few other times. Accident with the 430 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: air quotes. Yeah, yeah, well that was much more cheerful 431 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: than the general topic of the episode that inspired this conversation. Hey, 432 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: whatever is coming up on your weekend, I hope it 433 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: goes well. I know stuff is chaos for a lot 434 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: of people right now, so I'm gonna say, just try 435 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: to be kind to yourselves. I'm trying to be kind 436 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: to myself and sometimes it's easier than others, but try 437 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: to be kind to yourselves, kind to other people. Let's 438 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: be kind to my printer, which has chosen this moment 439 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: to start cleaning itself. And I'm just going to continue 440 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: recording over it rather than stopping like normal. That prints 441 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: are just just needs. 442 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 2: Let it happen. That's its self care. It's fine. 443 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: Yes, So we'll be back tomorrow with Saturday Classic and 444 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: something brand new on Monday. Stuff you Missed in History 445 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 446 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 447 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.