1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Mollie John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: today's best minds. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: We're on vacation, but that doesn't mean we don't have 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: a great show for you today. Voter Latino President Maria 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: Teresa Kumar steps by to talk to us about organizing 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: Hispanic voters. But first we have the author of When 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: the c Came Alive in Oral History of D Day, 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: Garrett Graf. 10 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Gart. 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 3: Graft, thank you so much for having me. 12 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Garrett. Why is D Day relevant to where we are 13 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: right now? 14 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 3: I think last week's events in Normandy felt so poignant 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 3: to the country because it's not just the eightieth anniversary 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: of D Day, it's also in many ways the final 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: passing of the greatest generation. And you know, we saw 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: last week just how few of those veterans are left. 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: You know, on D Day there were a million Allied 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: personnel in movie movement across England and the English Channel. 21 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 3: There are just a few thousand of them left. Great 22 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 3: Britain estimates that there are just six living D Day 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: veterans left in England and Great Britain. The reason that 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: that sort of matters to us right now, and why 25 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: we feel it so deeply is that this is the 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: generation that you know, stood up against fascism and authoritarianism, 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 3: you know, saved Western democracies, you know, preserved the freedom 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: in the Second World War. And there has never been 29 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: a major anniversary of D Day where democracy has felt 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: so fraught and fragile in the world, both in Europe 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: where we have a land war going on, as you know, 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: Russia tries to end freedom in Europe's second largest country. 33 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: Then here at home, where we're I think really struggling 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: with this question of what are we here at home 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: in the United States going to do with the legacy 36 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 3: that that greatest generation delivered for us. Are we as 37 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 3: willing now to fight for democracy here in the United 38 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: States as that generation was to fight in World War Two? 39 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things about that speech at point 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: to Hall is that it's a speech that every president 41 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: has done, or every modern president has done. It is, 42 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: with the exception of probably Donald Trump, because of course, 43 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: can you explain to us why that speech is significant? 44 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: And I know, what I think was very interesting about 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: last week was that Biden, I think successfully made an 46 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: homage to Reagan, because the idea here is that Biden 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: is closer to Reagan than Trump is to Reagan. Now, 48 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: if you're on the left like Jesse and I, we 49 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: don't love Reagan, but the idea that MAGA is its 50 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: own special thing is a pretty disturbing notion. 51 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: Talk to us about that, yeah, and I think you're 52 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: absolutely right. Which is part of what was remarkable in 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: this political moment was watching Biden give that speech at 54 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: Point to Hawk and realizing, you know, in many ways 55 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: it is the same type of speech, the same version 56 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 3: of the speech that Ronald Reagan did for the fortieth 57 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: anniversary in nineteen eighty four. That's, of course, the super 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 3: famous Peggy Noonan's speech, right that I think begins the 59 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: transformation of D Day from history into American legend. And 60 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: you stand there at Point to Hawk, you know, it 61 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: is this moment of incredible bravery and heroism the two 62 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty American rangers who landed at the foot 63 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: of those one hundred foot cliffs then scaled the cliffs 64 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: to disable and capture a German gun battery in the 65 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: opening hour of D Day. That in many ways is 66 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: you know, one of the few central legends or even 67 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: mythologies of D Day. I think what stands out for 68 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: me in listening to Biden's speech was that Reagan could 69 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: have given that speech forty years ago, and Biden today 70 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 3: could have given Reagan's speech from forty years ago. What 71 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: has changed is all of the political context around them. 72 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: You know, in some ways that speech feels like it 73 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: should be the opening ante of American patriotism, you know, 74 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 3: like we will stand up to defend democracy and freedom 75 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: against authoritarianism. That feels like the most basic pledge of 76 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,559 Speaker 3: civic virtue that a president can make. And he didn't 77 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: have to mention anywhere by name in his speech, Donald 78 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: Trump to know the contrast that he was drawing in 79 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: Normandy last week by standing up and laying out such 80 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: basic civic principles and honoring men that fought to defend freedom. 81 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: One of the things I write about it in the 82 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 3: book is, you know, it's an oral history, so it 83 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: brings together seven hundred voices from across D Day and 84 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 3: that conflict to try to tell the story of D 85 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 3: Day in the first person. And one of the things 86 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: that really comes through is the D Day invasion is 87 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 3: among the most noble causes humans have ever fought. It 88 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: is an invasion, unlike almost any other invasion in human history, 89 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: an invasion launched not to seize or to conquer, but 90 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: to liberate. You know, this was the Allies of the 91 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: West coming together to try to free a continent from 92 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: Nazi fascism. Again, that doesn't seem like that should be 93 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: that revolutionary of a cause for a president to endorse, 94 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 3: but there is to be always this like very telling 95 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 3: moment in Maga politics where basically any time any president 96 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: or political figure calls out for decency, honoring freedom and 97 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 3: American pie, Maga feels guilty because they know that the 98 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: contrast is being drawn against them and in contrast to them. 99 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: To me, like the most remarkable part of Biden's homage 100 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 3: at Point to Hawk last week was everyone in the 101 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 3: world understood the incredibly basic contrast he was drawing, even 102 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 3: though it should be, I would argue, the most simple 103 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: thing in the world for an American president to endorse. 104 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, so everybody is dead from D Day because they 105 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: would be like one hundred and five, right. 106 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there were a lot of soldiers there 107 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 3: eight nineteen years old. You know, that's a big part 108 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: of the World War Two story is how much of 109 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: that war was fought by incredibly young Americans eager to 110 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: sign up and fight people who were falsifying their birth 111 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: certificates in order to get over there when they were 112 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: sixteen seventeen years old. I think it speaks to that 113 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: age of civic virtue and the contrast now that we feel, 114 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: I think so uncomfortable with of you know, are we 115 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: as willing to defend this moment in democracy as that 116 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 3: generation was back then. But even those people are in 117 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: their late nineties or you know, turning one hundred right now. 118 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: Can you explain to us a little bit about what 119 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: the sort of lessons of D Day are like how 120 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: Biden can use that to speak to voters. Yeah. 121 00:07:54,560 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 3: I think it is this very simple contrast, which is 122 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: is there is one American political tradition, Donald Trump and 123 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: Maga stand outside of it. And you know the fact 124 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: that forty four of forty five presidents can stand up 125 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: and give the same speech that Reagan gave at point 126 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: to Hawk and Donald Trump can't is the contrast. And 127 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: then you know, you sort of saw Biden follow it 128 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: up by going to visit that World War One cemetery 129 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: that Donald Trump didn't bother going to visit when he 130 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: was in Europe as president because he said, you know, 131 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 3: he thought it was filled by losers, the people who 132 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: had actually been killed. He doesn't understand why people would 133 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: sign up to fight in the military, you know, as 134 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,479 Speaker 3: he has said, what's in it for them? The idea 135 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: that there is ever any cause greater than sort of 136 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: self aggrandizement and self gratific And it is just something 137 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: that Donald Trump, you know, mentally and intellectually is unable 138 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 3: to wrap his mind around. Again, this is like one 139 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 3: of the most basic traditions of American politics and one 140 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: of the most basic civic traditions that we celebrate and 141 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: honor as a country. And Donald Trump couldn't be bothered 142 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: to go out in the rain to a cemetery to 143 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: honor those World War War One veterans and Joe Biden again, 144 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: you know, simply by showing up to do so, is 145 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: drawing this very strong contrast between himself and what MAUGA 146 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 3: stands for, which is not what America is used to 147 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 3: standing for. 148 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: Why do you think that Trump's attacks on the military, 149 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: they haven't gone unnoticed, but Republicans have put up with them. 150 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: If anything, they've sort of gone along with them. 151 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 4: Why do you think that is, I don't really. 152 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: Know, because it used to be that Republicans loved the 153 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: military and that sort of ended with Trump. 154 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: Yes, that's true though across a lot of you know, 155 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: Republican virtues and beliefs. There is almost no one in 156 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: American politics less conservative than Donald Trump. And you know, 157 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: we don't need to rehash it all here, but this 158 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: is the party that told us, you know, for generations 159 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 3: that they were the party of family values. You know 160 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 3: that they were the party of morality, and you know, 161 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: all of that is out the window with Donald Trump 162 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: as well. They told us that they were the party 163 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: of law and order, and that's a tradition that goes 164 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 3: back to Richard Nixon. That's out the window now. And 165 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 3: so you have the Party of Richard Nixon and Ronald 166 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,599 Speaker 3: Reagan is now, you know, set to nominate a convicted 167 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 3: felon and adjudicated sexual abuser who hates the military to 168 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: be its standard bearer. For me, in my years of 169 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 3: covering Republicans and Democrats in Washington, you know, the thing 170 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: that I always thought was that there was going to 171 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: be some principle that the Republicans would not be willing 172 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 3: to compromise for money and power. And it turns out, 173 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 3: you know, sort of year after year we get further 174 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 3: down this road and the answer is there isn't that 175 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: they will compromise every core belief in order to have 176 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: the brain melt that is backing Donald Trump. And I 177 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 3: think to me, you know, speaking as a historian, one 178 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 3: of the things that I think will be hardest to 179 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: explain to future generations. 180 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: If there are futures and. 181 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 3: We're allowed to tell them history, is why this entire 182 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: generation of Republican leaders were so willing to compromise themselves 183 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: and their values and everything that they care about and 184 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: told us that they cared about for this guy. He's 185 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: not someone that you know, anyone would sort of look 186 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: at objectively and say, you know, yeah, this is the 187 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: man that I want to follow into battle. 188 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. It seems believably amazing and strange. I mean, it's 189 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: not strange. We've been doing this for ten fucking years, right, 190 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: It's not strange. It's just continually going. Can you talk 191 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: about why Republicans have embraced isolationism. I mean, is it 192 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: just because Trump likes it, or is there some other 193 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: larger trope there. 194 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: I think it's two things. One is the you know, 195 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 3: sort of that Trump in it for me, not for 196 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 3: the aspect of sort of everything that is, you know, 197 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: Donald Trump just can't imagine why NATO would be useful 198 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 3: to us or to the world. You know, he can't 199 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: imagine why we would enter into any of these international 200 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: alliances or partnerships with allies. But then I think the 201 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: other thing which I think we need to reflect upon 202 00:12:54,040 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: a name, is the white nationalism that underscores and undergirds 203 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: so much of the modern Donald trump Ism, Maga far 204 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: right politics, which is so much of I think this 205 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: isolationism also stems from, you know, these white nationalist politics 206 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: of you know, preserving America as a white Christian nation. 207 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: And I think you see that in the anti immigration 208 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: border politics. I think you see that in the trying 209 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 3: to sort of lock down America for Americans. And I 210 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: think you see that very explicitly in the sort of 211 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 3: whole ideological underpinnings of you know, what they call America First, 212 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 3: which is the only thing that America should care about 213 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: are the white Christian Americans. 214 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, Garrett, that was great. 215 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. 216 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: Spring is here, and I bet you are trying to 217 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: look fashionable, So why not pick up some fashionable all 218 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: new Fast Politics merchandise. We just opened a news store 219 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: with all new designs just for you. 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I'm so excited to have you, always brill. 225 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to first start by getting you to talk 226 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: about President Biden's announcement this week that spouses of people 227 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: who are citizens are now sort of will you explain 228 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: to me sort of the minutia of that. 229 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 4: This is a perfect example of how archaa our current 230 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 4: immigration laws are. The individuals right now, If you are 231 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 4: married to an American citizen, have been living here for 232 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 4: at least ten years, in order for you to apply 233 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 4: for even a green car, you have to go back 234 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 4: to your country of origin and wait anywhere from three 235 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 4: to up to a decade. So imagine being a mom 236 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 4: and you just had a one year old and now 237 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 4: in order for you to be able to get your 238 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 4: green card, you have to leave the child or potentially 239 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: go with the child and leave the dad behind. And 240 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 4: so what President Biden did was say you no longer 241 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 4: have to go back and wait for your paperwork. You 242 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: can parole in place and continue thriving with your family. 243 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 4: It's a big deal because again, it is fixing a 244 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 4: clerical error, and it changes the lives of five hundred 245 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 4: thousand people overnight. It allows mommies to breathe more easy, 246 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 4: and it lets children, American children not have to worry 247 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: with this anxiety of will mom be back when I 248 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 4: will mom be here when I get back home from school? 249 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: So what does this do you think? I mean, there's 250 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: been so much talk about Biden losing Hispanic voters, Hispanic 251 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: voters liking Trump. I mean, do you think this helps Biden? 252 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: Do you think that it makes in roads in why 253 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: Hispanic voters? And I know it's not a monolith, and 254 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: I know that there are different groups and different people 255 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: have different wants and needs, But can you explain to 256 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: us what the sort of electoral map looks like and 257 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: if this helps him and all? 258 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And first of all, I do want to use 259 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 4: your podcast to really talk to your audience about when 260 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 4: Republicans say that there's a right for its shift in 261 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 4: the Latino voter, none of the data and none of 262 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 4: the Latino voting behavior speaks to that. And it's a 263 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: way just like you remember in the midterms, everybody was reading 264 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 4: headlines that you know, there was going to be a big, 265 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 4: massive red wave, Molly, and that never materialized. But the 266 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 4: right is such a great job of gas slighting media. 267 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 4: It's the same thing that's happening in the Latino vote. 268 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 4: And I will share with you just to level set. 269 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 4: We just came out of the field two weeks ago 270 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 4: with the most comprehensive two thousand Latino voter analysis where 271 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 4: in five battleground states where we learned exactly this that 272 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 4: if the vote were to be held today, fifty nine 273 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 4: percent of Latino voters would vote for Biden and thirty 274 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 4: nine would vote for Trump. It becomes sticky, however, when 275 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 4: there is a third party candidate that is on the ballot. 276 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 4: In that scenario, Molly, seventeen percent of Latino voters go 277 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 4: to a third party candidate and twelve percent of them 278 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 4: go overwhelmingly to RFK specifically. So the danger right now 279 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 4: is people going and moving to more of the left 280 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 4: of Biden, and it's disproportionately Molly Latin now women. And 281 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 4: that's what was surprising to our work. I mean, we've 282 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 4: been doing this for twenty years. It's spoke to us 283 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 4: when we said, wait a second, doesn't make sense that 284 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 4: people that were so adamant about Bernie Sanders just five 285 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 4: years ago, all of a sudden would go so extreme. 286 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 4: And sure enough, what we're learning is is that it's 287 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 4: they are going more left of Biden through undefined candidates. 288 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: And so when we talk about the importance of what 289 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 4: the Biden administration just did with the executive order, it 290 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 4: allows the Latino voter to finally differentiate between a Republican 291 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 4: and a Democrat. Because for a long time, the Republicans 292 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 4: were separating families and the Democrats. All they had was 293 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 4: rhetoric of what they would do if they were in power. 294 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 4: And now this becomes material because now if you were 295 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 4: to ask a Latino youth what they deeply care about, 296 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 4: they deeply care about protecting their families. In fact, it's 297 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 4: always one of the top to top three issues, number 298 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: one being the economy, number two being abortion, and number 299 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 4: three always how is the president going to provide protective 300 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 4: status to my mom who's been here for twenty thirty years. 301 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 4: And so this changes the game because now we're able 302 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 4: to say, not only did the president do the decent 303 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 4: thing to do, but he did the politically astute thing 304 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 4: to do. Because it's not only the family members that 305 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 4: are who are voters believe this is a good thing. 306 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 4: Seventy five percent of independent white voters, even in Pennsylvania 307 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 4: recognize the decency in allowing a family to stay together. 308 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,239 Speaker 1: There is polling, and again, polling, it's so stupid and 309 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: a lot of it is wrong, and yet it's all 310 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: we have. So there's polling that says that a lot 311 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: of Latino voters they want immigration reform, but they also 312 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: are that there's some anxiety about immigration from Latino voters. 313 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: Do you think that's true? And if so, do you 314 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: think that Biden's executive orders have satiated that? And also, 315 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: can you just explain this to us? 316 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 4: Sure? So, I think that what the Biden administration is 317 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 4: finally doing is divorcing too issues that are completely different. 318 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 4: What is happening, sadly at the southern border is really 319 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 4: an international issue. It's a Western hemispheric issue, and it 320 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 4: is really a result, Molly of the United States not 321 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 4: having a Latin American policy for the last forty five years, 322 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 4: and it's increasingly I want to alert to you know, 323 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 4: to your listeners, is that it's increasingly while we have 324 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 4: not been investing, China and Russia have and so there 325 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 4: is mobility coming down in the southern border where there 326 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 4: is absolute chaos coming from their countries of origin. And 327 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 4: until the Biden administration, and we've seen it already with 328 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 4: the Vice President going down there to Central America trying 329 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 4: to find resource is from business to start stabilizing those countries. 330 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: But this really is an issue that Congress needs to 331 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 4: help solve through appropriations and really coming up with what 332 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 4: is our Monroe Policy Marshall Plan for Latin America for 333 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 4: the nine, ten, fifteen years, because you've better believe that 334 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 4: Russia and China already have it in place. And so 335 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 4: what the Biden administration is so definitely doing is really 336 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 4: divorcing these two issues. That is international on one scope 337 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 4: and then domestic immigration policy of the people that have 338 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 4: been here for twenty thirty years. And that is really 339 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 4: important to differentiate because when you pull and this is 340 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 4: you know, you and I talk about this all the time. 341 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: This is what happens when you have people pulling and 342 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 4: not asking the right questions. When you ask every American 343 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 4: should our border be safer? Every single American is going 344 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 4: to agree with that, because we do want to know 345 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 4: who's coming in and who's coming out. We do want 346 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 4: to know that we are playing by the worlds, but 347 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: more importantly, that we are being humane on how we're 348 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 4: processing it and that we're being clear. But if you 349 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 4: take a voter then and ask them, well, what do 350 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 4: you think about your mechanic who's been here for twenty years, 351 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 4: that's part of your community, all of a sudden that 352 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 4: person says, well, Jose's a good guy. I know him. 353 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 4: He coaches my daughter's soccer team. I think that you 354 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 4: should figure out some sort of relief. And so with 355 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: the Biden administration is finally having this conversation that we've 356 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 4: been waiting for. How do you divorce an international crisis 357 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 4: and issues that's impacting not just the United States but 358 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 4: all of South America and abroad and the same time 359 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 4: get our house in order at home so that people 360 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: that have been paying taxes that are entrepreneurs that take 361 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 4: care of us, that feed us, that are our teachers, 362 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 4: finally are able to demonstrate that they have some sort 363 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 4: of relief, especially in the case of there are bad 364 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 4: actors who are constantly trying to divide America based on 365 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 4: this idea of who is American or not. And this 366 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 4: provides us with this opportunity to say we're actually creating 367 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 4: smart changes to the law that are common sense and 368 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 4: that are fair. 369 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: A lot of Latino voters listen to the radio. Right, 370 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: that's common I mean a lot of voters listen to 371 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: the radio, local voters out of the Cella Corridor. Do 372 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: you think that Latino voters are getting the Biden message 373 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: and do you think Biden World is doing enough? 374 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 4: I think that the Biden administration has been working so 375 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 4: hard to get the country back aligned that they have 376 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: not done as much communication up to this point. I 377 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 4: do think that they're going to start doing more. But 378 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 4: I also think that what we need are trust is 379 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 4: sources that are advocates and representing the Latino community. And 380 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 4: so one of the things that Motor Latino is doing. 381 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: I mean, we've been negotiating with the White House for 382 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 4: three and a half years I mean, to be frank, 383 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 4: We've been negotiating this specific execative action a form of 384 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 4: it since Obama, and so finally, a decade later, we 385 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 4: are able to go back to our community and say, look, 386 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 4: you you are not wrong that the difference between the 387 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 4: Republicans and Democrats is the contrast of policy. The Republicans 388 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 4: twice impeached candidate wants to double down on family separation, 389 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 4: create a cottage industry of detention centers around the country, 390 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 4: targeting people who don't look quote unquote American, meaning if 391 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 4: you're not white, you can be caught in that drive day. 392 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: Oh no question. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 393 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 4: It's so funny because people say, well, what is Saint 394 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 4: Trump is going to do? I'm like, what do you mean, 395 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 4: what do you do? 396 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: You do you think that squads? 397 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I believe him because he did everything 398 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 4: he set out to do in his first administration except 399 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 4: the promise of infrastructure. Talk about a massive failure, Talk 400 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 4: about the fact that that was the only policy issue 401 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 4: that was worth any salt. And you contrast that with Biden, 402 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 4: who says we're going to provide relief to half a 403 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 4: million individual spouses, and we're going to provide relief grandfathered 404 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 4: into it a roughly fifty thousand children who are under 405 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 4: eighteen that may qualify because of their parents. That is 406 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 4: a family value, keeping families together. And so up to 407 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 4: I will tell you there are all our pulling. Latinos 408 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 4: were starting to lose faith with the administration. They were saying, 409 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 4: all the Democrats are promising is that they're going to 410 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 4: do something on immigration, but they don't understand the anxiety, 411 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 4: the heartache, and the microaggressions that we have to face 412 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 4: every single day, not knowing that if a Row agent 413 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 4: is going to pull me over, that my family may 414 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 4: not see me again. That's real. And now we can 415 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 4: know you voted, you mobilized, and now we are able 416 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 4: to deliver results on that. And you know what we 417 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 4: need you to do again. If you want to finish 418 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 4: the job on immigration, if you want to finish the 419 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 4: job on protecting abortion care, we need to mobilize and 420 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 4: organize and outvote just like you did last time. Because 421 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 4: we're in this weird world, Molly, that you know, we 422 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 4: see so many Democratic donors kind of letharging and saying, well, 423 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 4: I don't know what to do, and I'm just like 424 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: we actually have coalitions of organizations that know how to 425 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 4: mobilize our voter And what we need you to do 426 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 4: is to double down on us because we know how 427 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 4: to do our work. And don't take my word for it. 428 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 4: But in twenty eighteen, we put our heads down. As 429 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 4: soon as Trump got into office, we put our heads 430 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 4: down and a coalition of us made sure that we won. 431 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: In twenty eighteen, we won, in twenty twenty, we won 432 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two. Let us do our work so 433 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 4: that we could win again in twenty twenty four. 434 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: We read so much about these nefarious billionaires who are 435 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: donating money at a rapid clip to Donald Trump. There 436 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: are some good guy billionaires on the other side, And 437 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the women. Why do you think women 438 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: the women billionaires and Michael Bloomberg. Let's give Michael Bloomberg 439 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: credit where credit is due and read Hoffmann. But why 440 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: do you think that all of these Loreen Powell jobs 441 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: of the world are actually really involved in giving money 442 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 1: and not in this like cheap fast Donald Trump need 443 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: to keep the tack Scott. 444 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 4: We have Louren Powell, who's always been a friend. We 445 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 4: have Melinda Gates who is doubling down on women's leadership. 446 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 4: McKenzie Scott, who gave a very generous donation to Vocal 447 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 4: Latino six million dollars back in November, technically one of 448 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 4: our very first pieces of political giving to any organization. 449 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 4: And I think it's because they understand the stakes that 450 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 4: Trump represents. If we were to take the helm again, 451 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 4: we have under his tutelage, I guess, I mean, I 452 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 4: hate to say leaders but against you know, under his 453 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 4: platform a promise to eradicate women's access to our agency, 454 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 4: not just through abortion, but through IVF. They are trying 455 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 4: to upset public education in this country in ways that 456 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 4: become unrecognizable that you start privatizing them. The Republicans are 457 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 4: trying to lower the working age for children now to 458 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 4: work in factories until four or five o'clock in the morning. 459 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 4: And I think that these women understand, because all of 460 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 4: them have dedicated their philanthropy from the very beginning. They're 461 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 4: true north to addressing women and girls, and women and 462 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 4: girls are absolutely on the agenda, the most marginalized are 463 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 4: absolutely in the agenda. And by its core, the Republican 464 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 4: Party is trying to redefine what a fair, free democracy 465 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 4: means where it's not where meritocracy, you know, can rise 466 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 4: up to the top. It's whoever actually kisses the ring 467 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 4: of an effective dictator. And when you when I talk 468 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 4: to folks, you know, these billionaires talking about how you know, 469 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 4: they're afraid of their taxes. It's almost as if they 470 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 4: don't understand how a bill becomes a law. Right, It's like, 471 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 4: this is a platform and you need to have a coalition, 472 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 4: you actually need all branches of government. 473 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: They don't, right. 474 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 4: But I keep thinking of that, you know, that little 475 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 4: song that we all grew up with, Schoolhouse Rock. Every 476 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 4: time I thought to them because I'm like, come on, guys, 477 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 4: you know better. But then at the same time, it 478 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 4: was like, it's almost as if they've forgotten how they 479 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 4: became billionaires. It's because they lived in a free, democratic 480 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 4: society that had a thriving middle class, where the roads 481 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 4: were already built, their workforce was educated, where they didn't 482 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: have to worry about food in their belly, and they 483 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 4: were able to think big because they didn't have government 484 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 4: cronies trying to take money off the top from them. 485 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 4: I had this really curious conversation, Molly, where someone was like, well, 486 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 4: you know China has more billionaires now, I said, yeah, 487 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 4: but think about Jack Maw and Ali Baba. Ali Baba 488 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 4: was supposed to be the competitor to Amazon. It still is. 489 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 4: His founder, Jack Maw has gone into the sunset because 490 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 4: no one knows what happened to him, because he got 491 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 4: too big for China. And that's an example for us. 492 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: Cryptocracy is not good business. 493 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 4: No, no, because all of a sudden, your great ideas 494 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 4: don't go to the top. It's a matter of it's 495 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 4: on the side of government. And if the government decides 496 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 4: that you are sanctified to actually enjoy their riches and everything, 497 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 4: all of a sudden becomes attacks because the corruption doesn't 498 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 4: go from the just from the top, it bleeds down 499 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 4: all the way to having For example, if the cable 500 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 4: guy comes over and wants, you know, wire you up, 501 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 4: are you going to have to pay him fifty bucks 502 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 4: so that you can do it? Because that's what happens 503 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 4: in Latin American democracy, right. 504 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: Right, right right, And that I think that's a really 505 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: really good point. I was interviewing an economist who was 506 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: talking about how one of the many reasions why Trump 507 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: is so scary is because he wants to put his 508 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,479 Speaker 1: finger on the fad and make them, you know, lower 509 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: interest rates when he feels like it, to choose the economy. 510 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: And you know that is how you get to Argentina. 511 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 4: Right well, and this is you know again for for 512 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 4: Allie's business, folks. One of the reasons we enjoy such 513 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 4: a roaring economy is because people trust our system. They 514 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 4: trust it to be fair. They understand that there are institutions, 515 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 4: there are rules, there are laws that they know how 516 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 4: to abide by. And in other places, again, people become 517 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 4: democracies on paper if you actually look at the economies 518 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 4: that thrive. Where capitalism thrives, it is under a sacred 519 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 4: institution of democracy. That is where it thrives. The moment 520 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 4: that you allow this evil corruption, it doesn't stop there. 521 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, who wants to invest 522 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 4: in a country if you don't know if your savings 523 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 4: are quitte, you know if your investments are actually going 524 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 4: to pialize because you don't know who the players are anymore. 525 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 4: This way, we actually have codes of condact for conducting 526 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 4: business exactly. 527 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: Maria Theresa, thank you. I'm such a fan. I really 528 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: appreciate you. 529 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 4: Or you're fabulous Molly. 530 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 531 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the best minds 532 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: in politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you 533 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to a friend 534 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.