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Speaker 1: talk about all that's transpired, pending a physical. They always

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Speaker 1: into the Lounge. This is take two of this episode. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the first take of the Lounge didn't see the light

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Speaker 1: That one got buried. Yes, r I p right, because

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Speaker 1: that was a good time. Now, that was at least

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Speaker 1: one not so much. So we did take an episode

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Speaker 1: of the podcast on Thursday. UM. That was when it

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Speaker 1: was reported that the Ravens had agreed to terms with

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Speaker 1: you know, when you agree to terms and everyone thinks

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Speaker 1: the physical is important. That's always the thing, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: how things work around here, right, Because for all you

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Speaker 1: people that on Twitter that tweet at me, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: What's the latest with Ebron, what's the latest with crab Tree,

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Speaker 1: all this stuff, Uh, I don't know, Ozzy doesn't. I'm

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Speaker 1: And a lot of us out there, we all go

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Speaker 1: Well that's what I mean. But yeah, you I do

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Speaker 1: don't always pass the physical. So been a wild week,

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Speaker 1: wild weekend. We want to talk about all that's transpired

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Speaker 1: and hope that by the time this is posted it's

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Speaker 1: well might be. I mean, that's just the nature of

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Speaker 1: So that's just the challenge of free agency. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: signings that happened but this one's getting exactly so anyway, Uh,

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Speaker 1: They've the Ravens have used these band aids with good players.

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Speaker 1: That's what Jervis Lantry offered, That's what Allen Robins perhaps offered, right,

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Speaker 1: You know, they've got Smoky Brown on the roster um again,

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Speaker 1: Last year I was like, well, Marlin Humphrey, maybe you

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Speaker 1: It's only like six picks difference. So you know, six

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Speaker 1: put it on the books. Receivers go for premium prices.

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Speaker 1: talking about for the future. You just have to take

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Speaker 1: some shots there. But I think it's a lot to

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Speaker 1: expect a rookie wide receiver to come in and put

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Speaker 1: up a thousand yards. I don't care who they draft

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Speaker 1: this here, I would be shocked if they put up

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Speaker 1: a thousand yards, including Calgary Ridley. I think a running back,

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Speaker 1: on the other hand, can easily come in and just

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Speaker 1: be a monster. Media I don't think there's Look at

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Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott. You look at so many different examples of

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Speaker 1: these rookie running backs coming in and all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden it's like, oh wow, it took the pressure off

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, made things easier for everybody. It just turns,

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Speaker 1: it just bolsters jump starts an offense. And the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: I think this year, especially given the situation wide receiver

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Speaker 1: right now, which it looks like the Ravens, you know,

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Speaker 1: even let's say even they sign crab Tree, I don't

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Speaker 1: know that you look at the wide receiver group right

441
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Speaker 1: now and say, wow, it's it's it's abom the bat Well.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that you're gonna say it's among the best.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the goal. But I think that

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Speaker 1: the goal needs to be that it's better. Better. But

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is maybe investing in the run game,

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Speaker 1: like our boy John Eisenberg has written, isn't maybe the

447
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Speaker 1: worst idea. I don't. I don't think it's a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: I do also think though, that you know, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: kind of try that last year. Now they didn't have

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Speaker 1: the stud running back, they basically try to do it

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Speaker 1: with the offensive line. Get the offensive line good, change

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Speaker 1: the running scheme brought in Greg Roland. He really added

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Speaker 1: a lot in that regard. And now if you know so,

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Speaker 1: now you maybe you get your work horse running back. Now.

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Speaker 1: I do think that Alex Collins could be that guy.

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Speaker 1: I think that heats would not surprised me at all

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Speaker 1: if he's a thousand yard rusher in two thousand eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I think if they don't, if they don't bring in

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Speaker 1: another guy, I think he will be um. And we've

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Speaker 1: all been excited to see what Kenneth Thixon can do

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Speaker 1: because he's got potancial Now he's got to stay healthy.

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Speaker 1: He's never done that, so I don't think you can

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Speaker 1: count on that. Yeah, I think I don't think you can,

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Speaker 1: Like you can really bank on Dixon carrying a large

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Speaker 1: load in the offense if he does great, and I

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Speaker 1: think he has the potential do so. But it's one

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Speaker 1: of these situations where you go into it and you're like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think Quincy had a boy joke could

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Speaker 1: be but I'm not going to push the chips on

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Speaker 1: it on him. Sort of like what Kenneth Dixon gives

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Speaker 1: you is almost a bonus, like it was like pick up.

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Speaker 1: It was like Pitto with the hip last year. You're like,

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Speaker 1: all right, pitt Us coming back off the hip, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I know what two years or two years ago, right,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, whatever he gives us, that's great, but

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Speaker 1: we can't count and he and he ends up leading

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Speaker 1: the league inter seceptions for tight end. So maybe because

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Speaker 1: the injury is the NFL's leading Russian next year, you know,

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Speaker 1: I like, can you know what, I'll just just to

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Speaker 1: back it up just real quick. At the servers position.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say the Ravens were to get crab Tree

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Speaker 1: and again, by the time that this is out, maybe

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Speaker 1: he doesn't they do. But if they were to have

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Speaker 1: like a crab Tree John Brown, I like the John

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Speaker 1: Brown sign we really talking about. I like the John

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Speaker 1: Brown signing. He's a guy that two years ago was

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Speaker 1: this up and coming receiver in the NFL who everybody

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Speaker 1: was excited about. He's got breakaway speed, ran a fourth

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Speaker 1: three four at the combine, he's a he's got good hands.

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Speaker 1: I like the incentive laden it's a one year deal.

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Speaker 1: It's a prove it deal. That doesn't you know. I

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Speaker 1: think the Ravens do you need to clean up their

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Speaker 1: cap situation. It's it's not particularly good. You know, they've

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Speaker 1: just been there in cap purgatory right now, and so

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Speaker 1: this helps him do it while putting an interesting, high

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Speaker 1: ceiling player on the He's motivated. When when I talked

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Speaker 1: to him this week after he after he signed here,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he basically said, I'm tired of everybody talking

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Speaker 1: about what I can't do, and everybody's always got these questions.

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Speaker 1: You've got injury problems, he's too small, it's this and that,

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Speaker 1: and he's eager to go out there and prove that

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Speaker 1: he can be the receiver he was in two thousand

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Speaker 1: fifteen when he was a thousand yard guy. All right,

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Speaker 1: So anyway back to your point. You were saying, all right,

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Speaker 1: if the Ravens get they got smokey, they got smokey,

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Speaker 1: they have Chris Wore and they just said, they go

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Speaker 1: out and they get a D J. Moore, A Courtland Sutton.

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Speaker 1: I like. I like Courton Sutton in the draft. I

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Speaker 1: know that's your boy. That's my boy. A big receiver. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't hate that receiving corps. I don't hate that

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Speaker 1: receiving Is it the best receiving corps in the NFL. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. But no, I don't hate I

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Speaker 1: don't hate it. Yeah, and the other thing I think

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Speaker 1: that could be, it's just it's just got a It's

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Speaker 1: got a number of question marks. Crabtree's the proven commodity.

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Speaker 1: Smokey's a question mark given his injury history. A rookie

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Speaker 1: is a question mark, given is given you that he's

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Speaker 1: a rookie. You know, Chris Moore is still a question mark.

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Speaker 1: Harriman is a big question mark. Yeah, it's yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think the potential for it is good and I like that,

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Speaker 1: but there's gonna be a lot of question marks. And

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Speaker 1: there is still is the need for the number one

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. I'm not denying that, but I do think

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Speaker 1: that Ravens could be in a situation this year where

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Speaker 1: rather than having a number one guy who goes out

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Speaker 1: there and puts up they're not going to have, and

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Speaker 1: then a number two who puts up eight hundred, what

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Speaker 1: if you had three guys eight hundred yard guy and

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Speaker 1: eight yard guy, a six yards and yard I said

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Speaker 1: this on our first tap of the podcast, that we

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Speaker 1: had the trash and now you're stealing my excellent point. No,

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Speaker 1: I think that you got that point from me. You

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Speaker 1: just you just so. I was just pulling that one

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Speaker 1: out of my kind of starting to say it, and

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Speaker 1: he jumped in there and said it, So said, I

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Speaker 1: got a chance to say it on this one. No,

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Speaker 1: that's that. I agree that that is the formula this year.

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Speaker 1: I think it's like you have three number two wideouts

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Speaker 1: essentially in terms of the production that they put out,

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Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, yards or yards, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't care what the label is, whether they're true

542
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Speaker 1: number one or whatever. That stuff doesn't matter in terms

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Speaker 1: of wins and losses and the day, it's how many

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Speaker 1: yards and touchdowns and catch as they make, right. So

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Speaker 1: to me, I think because of the situation the Ravens

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Speaker 1: are in, because of the market at wide receiver that

547
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: was so hot that they priced the Ravens out. That's

548
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Speaker 1: that has that's default. I mean, that's what it's going

549
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Speaker 1: to have to be this year because I don't see

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Speaker 1: a number one ride receiver falling in the Ravens lap. Maybe,

551
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Speaker 1: but I do think they might. One of these guys

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Speaker 1: in the draft is going to be a number one

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Speaker 1: receiver on a team. And why could the Ravens. I

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Speaker 1: get that guy like, Oh, I don't think any of

555
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Speaker 1: these guys in the draft anybody's going to draft him

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Speaker 1: and say you're a number one one. Well not this year,

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Speaker 1: right right. I think eventually they can into that, and

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Speaker 1: then I'm just talking about this year. I don't think

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Speaker 1: any of these guys are gonna drive to say, all right,

560
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Speaker 1: you're a number one guy, we expect you to have

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Speaker 1: a twelve hundred yards. I don't. I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 1: But one of these guys could absolutely be a stud receiver.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh done line for sure. Oh yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: think they can be really good this year, really good

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Speaker 1: this year. I agree with that. You know, you know

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Speaker 1: it's one thing with crab Tree and this is this

567
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: if we sign him, this is gonna sound so prophetic.

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Speaker 1: Is you know what the Ravens are really good at.

569
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Speaker 1: They're not always the best at drafting wide receivers or

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Speaker 1: picking up sometimes you know, Maclan wasn't exactly didn't turn

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Speaker 1: out to be the best. You know, they're really good

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Speaker 1: at recruiting wide receivers. Yeah, I would be surprised. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go say this right now, as of Friday morning,

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Speaker 1: at what time is it, I'd be surprised if crab

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Speaker 1: Tree signs elsewhere. They're so good at this whole thing. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Man, they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: And when it comes to recruit hey, John, John still

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Speaker 1: has those college he was a college meal for for

579
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Speaker 1: many years. And maybe he you know it, talks to

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Speaker 1: his brother, gets some tips on how to I think

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Speaker 1: he doesn't need any tips from John is a charismatic guy.

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Speaker 1: He can chat you up. You know. I watched some

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Speaker 1: of these videos of these guys getting tours of their facilities,

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Speaker 1: like for the first time they go and they meet

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Speaker 1: the general manager and all that, and I just watched

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this whole thing feels awkward. This whole interaction.

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Speaker 1: Good John is just so natural. You're so good. Like yeah,

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Speaker 1: Plus you walk into this building, you go down to

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Speaker 1: the cafteria, you see the players only snacks. That is,

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00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: if we haven't wiped him out by that happens, and

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Speaker 1: they're just like, yeah, I can see myself being here

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Speaker 1: for a little bit. It's pretty nice. Stop by the lounge,

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Speaker 1: See how nice to longe? They see our new mini fridge,

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Speaker 1: Well we gotta get any fridge in the lounge now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we need to get on the recruiting with

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Speaker 1: that help or that hurt. They keep us away from

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Speaker 1: these would definitely hurt. But anyway, as always, thank you

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Speaker 1: specifically about wide receiver. Yeah, there's no shortage of opinions

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Speaker 1: have to do this soon, is getting doing another draft,

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Speaker 1: which we're discussing the serial draft. That's a good one

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Speaker 1: to Breakfast Cereal draft. So we're working on putting that

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Speaker 1: one together. And just to tease it a little bit,

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