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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody, Recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to welcome back to woke a F Daily,

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Speaker 1: friend of the show and colleague on Outspoken for iHeart

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Speaker 1: Bridget Todd, who is the host of There Are No

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Speaker 1: Girls on the Internet. And Bridgitte and I get into

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Speaker 1: a really interesting conversation as we enter into the last

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Speaker 1: week of Pride Pride month, but not the last week

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Speaker 1: of Pride, where we're talking about, you know, artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 1: which you cannot escape a segment or news story headline

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Speaker 1: these days without somebody talking about artificial intelligence and chat

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Speaker 1: going to destroy the world or whether we think that

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Speaker 1: it's going to be something that is going to aid

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Speaker 1: in our progress. And the conversation that I get into

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Speaker 1: with bridget is one that I've been grappling with in

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Speaker 1: my mind for quite some time, which is that if

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Speaker 1: the people right behind these technological advances are of the

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Speaker 1: same mind, meaning are the same white cysts, hetero, you know,

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Speaker 1: male people, If they're still the same people that are

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Speaker 1: in control, then how do we not think that bias, discrimination,

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Speaker 1: outright bigotry is going to be embedded in these new systems, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: we continue to believe and look at different advancements and

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Speaker 1: takes us to the next level, But we haven't fundamentally

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Speaker 1: dealt with the shit that has kept us, the country,

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Speaker 1: and the world under the thumb, under the knee of

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Speaker 1: white supremacy. Right. So when we have these conversations, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I reference in my talk with bridget about

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Speaker 1: a Netflix documentary that I've talked about on WKF before

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Speaker 1: called Coded Bias, that was on Netflix. You know, when

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Speaker 1: we talk about technology, when we talk about you know,

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Speaker 1: these technocrats, it is still white, cis hetero men that

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Speaker 1: are in control of the future, right, And they are

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Speaker 1: the same ones that are in control of our past.

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Speaker 1: And what do I mean by that, Well, look no

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Speaker 1: further than Governor Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott and others

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Speaker 1: who are dictating what it is students and people in

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Speaker 1: their state can learn about and know about our nation's history.

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Speaker 1: So when you have this same biased, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic,

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Speaker 1: islamophobic people and that mentality that is still in charge.

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Speaker 1: How do you think that we advance out of racism.

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Speaker 1: It's like this idea which is so fucking stupid that like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: when the racists die off, they don't they fucking reproduce, right,

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Speaker 1: They groom their children in their ideology, then they rise

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Speaker 1: up and they get into positions of power, and they

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Speaker 1: So it's like, if you don't get to the root,

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Speaker 1: thing in America that we continue to just not get right,

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Speaker 1: like we never want to go to the root of anything.

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Speaker 1: And that was my same understanding with you know, talking

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Speaker 1: about the Juneteenth Holiday, it's like you want to give

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Speaker 1: a federal holidays something that you don't even understand. People

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Speaker 1: want to say, oh, well, they were just the enslaved

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Speaker 1: It was part of keeping people enslaved and tied to production.

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Speaker 1: So it was about money and free labor. We continue

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Speaker 1: to have conversations about, you know, oh, should we have

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Speaker 1: reparations or should we not? And who is having that

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Speaker 1: commra who gets to decide the very people whose ancestors

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Speaker 1: anything that is about quote unquote technological advancement or human

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Speaker 1: advancement is always gonna be steeped in the shit we

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Speaker 1: refuse to discuss, recognize, and acknowledge. So coming up next,

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Speaker 1: my conversation with podcast host Bridget Todd. Folks, I am

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Speaker 1: so excited to welcome back to wok f our friend

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Speaker 1: Bridget Todd, who is the creator and host. There are

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Speaker 1: no girls on the Internet, Bridget Happy Pride.

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Speaker 2: Happy Pride, Danielle, thank you for having me here. I'm

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Speaker 2: so excited to be back one of my favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: I love when you come on. I'm so excited that

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what a good topic. I don't even

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Speaker 2: I think that I at first was coming from a

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Speaker 2: idea of like, oh my god, I'm hearing that AI

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Speaker 2: a really interesting interview with a tech critic named Paris

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Speaker 2: that interview really helped me put things in perspectives. One

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Speaker 2: people who make that technology, kind of need for there

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Speaker 2: talking about it in terms of doom and gloom, that

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Speaker 2: this idea that AI is going to change everything. AI

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Speaker 2: it's even if we're talking about it in a way

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Speaker 2: that is scary, that seems alarmist, that is actually good

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a need to be quite so

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Speaker 2: here's the bad news, which is that AHI most certainly

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Speaker 2: it's not going to replace workers. It's just going to

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Speaker 2: survengeous of workers. You'll have more expectations of workers. You'll

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Speaker 2: there yet. Right. If you ask chat GPT to write

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Speaker 2: of the things I really do think is that when

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Speaker 2: it's kind of exactly what you're saying. I don't think that,

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Speaker 1: And I think that one of the things that you

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Speaker 1: AI is not strategizing, right, it is just doing and

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Speaker 1: pulling information. But when we look at these more skilled

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Speaker 1: What do you think then happens to those workers and

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Speaker 2: But I do think that that can sometimes be a

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Speaker 2: I think glad It's put out a survey that shows

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Speaker 2: It's like we are talking about the way that a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is, And I feel the same. I

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Speaker 1: which is a place of you know, of danger and

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Speaker 1: particularly for our trans brothers and sisters. Last thing for you,

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Speaker 1: tell us about the new season of your show on Outspoken.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so we are in our fourth season. We just

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Speaker 2: all thinking, as our conversation about AI kind of demonstrates,

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Speaker 2: we are in this weird moment when it comes to

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Speaker 2: you saw that glad report that just came out about

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Speaker 2: how Twitter is doing such a terrible job of amplifying

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Speaker 2: and supporting LGBTQ voices.

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Speaker 1: Like I didn't need a report, but I.

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Speaker 2: Surprise reporting what we already knew. So it does feel

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Speaker 2: like we're in this really weird new place when it

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Speaker 2: comes to technology, and so it seems like this far

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Speaker 2: off future that we've all been referencing is here right now.

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Speaker 2: So on my Podcas Hast on Outspoken, there are no

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Speaker 2: girls on the internet. We are exploring what it means,

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Speaker 2: you know, when it comes to technology, social platforms, media,

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Speaker 2: and the future, and making sure that marginalized voices, women,

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Speaker 2: queer folks, trans folks, people of color do not get

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Speaker 2: lost in those conversations. That we are centered in those

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Speaker 2: conversations because we belong at the forefront. We belong, you know,

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Speaker 2: amplified and centered and having our stories and experiences, voices

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Speaker 2: and voices being grounded when we talk about what the

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Speaker 2: future of technology looks like in our world. So please

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Speaker 2: check it out.

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Speaker 1: Amazing folks, do check it out. I'm always so excited

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Speaker 1: when I have the opportunity to speak with the bridget

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Speaker 1: and just the work that you do, the conversations that

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Speaker 1: you have on your pod. There's always such good cross pollination.

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Speaker 1: So thank you friend for making the time to join

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Speaker 1: me on WOKF daily. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Oh Danielle, I appreciate you so much. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on woke

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Speaker 1: a f as always power to the people and to

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Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke. As

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Speaker 1: fun