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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: with you, Buck. I'm in Detroit. Uh it is Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's nice, but it's like a little brisk. I probably

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Speaker 2: Why would we do that, Like we have a bag

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Speaker 2: that stays packed, like we just grab it.

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Speaker 3: You probably needed.

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Speaker 2: Uh well, yeah, one, two, three, three days on set.

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Speaker 2: So there's three suits for sure, maybe an addition one

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Speaker 2: just in case, so maybe four suits, some Lululemon pants,

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Speaker 2: some Yike stuff and then and then we're out.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty much. It's pretty much it. That's pretty much it.

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Speaker 1: But I don't have like the walk in a couple

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Speaker 1: And it's not like it's not like it's ten degrees.

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Speaker 1: It's like you know, forty reads at night, you know,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I look, we've all been we've been

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Speaker 1: made soft from our time. You know. It's West coaster,

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Speaker 1: So it is what it is. How you been?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Not too much.

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Speaker 2: Man. I am in the midst of doing this final

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Speaker 2: mock draft, which is obviously DJ one of my the

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Speaker 2: favorite things that we do, just mocking mocking, mocking, mocking.

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Speaker 2: So I'm trying to figure out this last version. I

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Speaker 2: got a couple names to throw in there and kind

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Speaker 1: But Buck, We've got We've got Graham Barton coming on.

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Speaker 1: We're gonnae a chance to visit with him, maybe a

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Speaker 1: first round pick. At Duke played left tack, always played

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Speaker 1: what it's like for a player coming down the home

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of think it's coming off like unlike

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Speaker 2: most years where we talk about like the wild chaotic

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Speaker 2: someone's going to have to make a crazy deal. And

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Speaker 2: do you view the fourth quarterback as worthy of being

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Speaker 1: it becomes are you comfortable saying we're hanging at eleven

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Speaker 2: So my thing would be this, DJ, what's the difference

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Speaker 2: we'll take the quarterback that we want, and we're not

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Speaker 3: Were the same and you just picked the play. That

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Speaker 2: But if there's a huge difference between JJ McCarthy and

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Speaker 2: when you get to eight and hey, let me make

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Speaker 2: because as we're talking about the Vikings, Sean Payton had

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Speaker 1: But JJ's at the top. You're not comparing him to

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Speaker 3: Then we go right back to what we thought originally.

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Speaker 2: Early in the process, many of us did not view

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say maybe he does. But I think

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Speaker 2: what we're getting as we do more conversations, we're now

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Speaker 2: kind of coming back to, like, hold on, let's have

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Speaker 2: Because if we talk about JJ McCarthy and not disparaging

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Speaker 2: Well, you named all the spots, but I didn't look

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Speaker 1: you're excited to have Graham join us. First of all, Graham,

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'm just gonna be at home in Nashville.

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Speaker 5: going to be evaluated in everything, so you know, just

435
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 5: being prepared for everything and and you know trying to

436
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 5: do well with all that.

437
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 1: I know you knocked the Pro day out because I

438
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 1: had a bunch of calls right after it was over

439
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 1: about how well you did, but and you aated that

440
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,159
Speaker 1: part of it. But how exciting is that once you

441
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 1: finish and I know you probably have some privates and

442
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,639
Speaker 1: other things, but how how relieving was it to be

443
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 1: like you're done with all this crap and now it's

444
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 1: just like just you have to play football now, like

445
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,439
Speaker 1: now the football starts and the fun stuff.

446
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

447
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I had these uh like skill cleats like

448
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 5: these pink and yeah for some of this stuff, and

449
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 5: like right after Pro Day, I just like toss them.

450
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,919
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna need those anymore.

451
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,199
Speaker 4: Never gonna need these again. So that was kind of

452
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,679
Speaker 4: like my little moment of like, all right.

453
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 5: Done with you know, forty three cone five ten five,

454
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 5: and like obviously all that's important, so.

455
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 4: You know, you got to prepare for it do well,

456
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 4: but you know, it.

457
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 5: Was nice to just you know, folks on football now,

458
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 5: you know, use that time.

459
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 4: To just you know, you know, do offensive line drills

460
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 4: and stuff like.

461
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 5: That, and so it's been awesome to just be able

462
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 5: to focus back on football and and you know, doing

463
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 5: what I need to do to be ready for next season.

464
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 2: You guys have some success at Duke, and I know

465
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 2: and talking to scout scouts love guys that have been

466
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 2: part of winning programs and those things. What can you

467
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 2: take from your time at Duke that will help you

468
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 2: succeed in a national football league?

469
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I learned a lot at Duke, right,

470
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,719
Speaker 5: It was, you know, such an awesome experience. We just

471
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 5: had such a great you know, coaching staff and locker

472
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 5: room in my last two years and it was just

473
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 5: a really good experience to kind of go from that

474
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 5: you know two and nine and three and nine record

475
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 5: to you know, nine and four, eight and five and

476
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,120
Speaker 5: kind of see that that turnaround and be a part

477
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 5: of that. And you know, you know, it's hard that

478
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 5: that's not an easy turnaround for any you know, culture

479
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 5: across America. It takes you know, so much hard work

480
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 5: and so much detail and so much effort, and you know,

481
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 5: just on a day to day basis from everyone, you know,

482
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 5: from the top down. So I think, you know, just

483
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 5: seeing kind of what that took and being a part

484
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 5: of that, and you know, like Okay, this is what

485
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 5: hard work looks like. This is what you know, showing

486
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 5: up every day and bringing your best looks like.

487
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 4: This is what you know.

488
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 5: A good culture and player led locker room looks like.

489
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 5: You know, I think, you know, getting those kind of

490
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 5: experiences in college is pretty invaluable, and it's excited to

491
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 5: you know, you know, like know what I know and

492
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 5: be able to share that with others and you know,

493
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 5: earn the respect of the vets around me, and you know,

494
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 5: because obviously I'm you know, starting young again, and you know,

495
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 5: I'm a rookie, and you know, you got to earn

496
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 5: the respect of the guys around you. And I think

497
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 5: I kind of, you know, coming from Duke, have all

498
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 5: the tools to do that.

499
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: So so you mentioned we talk about leadership and how

500
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: you come in there and you listen before you speak,

501
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: and then you obviously you got to do what You're

502
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: seventeen years old right as a freshman. You're just.

503
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 4: I just turned eighteen. Just okay, I was fresh eighteen.

504
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: But yees a young a young eighteen. But one of

505
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,959
Speaker 1: the things that one of the things that I've heard

506
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: about you obviously we can see the tape, but then

507
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, just from a leadership standpoint and stood out.

508
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: I would love if you just give me an example,

509
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: especially with teams. You know, look, you can you've got

510
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: five position flexibility. Some teams are going to want you

511
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: to play center, others tackle. You can play anywhere. But

512
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: if you do, if you are we always talk about

513
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: the closer you get to the middle of the field,

514
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: the more leadership is required. It's the spine of your team.

515
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: It's it's a leadership position. So is there any can

516
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: you give me an example of a you're you're kind

517
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 1: of your style of leadership and then b is there

518
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: a story maybe from the last year or two that

519
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: would be a good example of what that looked like.

520
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

521
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, I mean I think, you know, people ask

522
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 5: me about my leadership style. I always refer to a

523
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 5: quote I heard once. It's like true leaders, you know,

524
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 5: they don't talk to talk. They walk the walk like

525
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 5: true leaders, show up every day about their business. They

526
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 5: have a process, they they do the work, they put

527
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 5: in the time like they you know, they really really

528
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 5: care about their craft. And I think that that's something

529
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 5: I just took and was like, you know that that's me.

530
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 5: That's who I want to be. That's the kind of

531
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 5: leader I want to be. So you know, I'm not

532
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 5: the guy that gives the pregame speech. You know, I'm

533
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 5: not the guy who's going to you know, get the

534
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 5: movie scene and you know about the you know, have

535
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 5: everyone in tears before the game.

536
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 4: Like that's just not That's not who I am.

537
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 5: So you know, I just I think I find other

538
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 5: ways to lead. And I think I lead by example.

539
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 5: I think you know, young guys, you know, they they

540
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 5: take influence from me in different you know, just little

541
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 5: habits that they pick up on me. And and I think,

542
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 5: you know, good example I can give you. So like

543
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 5: Fridays before games are are no sweat walkthroughs.

544
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 4: Uh, You're in shorts and a T shirt and tennis

545
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 4: shoes and you know you're on you're on air and

546
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 4: you're walking through the plays.

547
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 5: Well you know, they kind of said screw that, like

548
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 5: you know, first two steps are live.

549
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 4: You know, I'm coming at.

550
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: That actual speed.

551
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 5: So it's like like just you know, day before the game,

552
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 5: like go through the motions, like make sure you have

553
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 5: it down, like okay, here you know this is you.

554
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 4: Know, backside inside zone. I'm in a you know, combo block.

555
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 5: Here here's my first and second steps need to look like,

556
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 5: here's where my hat goes. Here is where my hand goes,

557
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 5: like going through all that, not just walking through.

558
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 4: It's like by the end of Friday, like it's not

559
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 4: no sweat, you know.

560
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: You're sweat.

561
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 5: I think, you know, at the beginning of the year,

562
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 5: it might have been me and you know, maybe one

563
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 5: other guy. And then I think by the end of

564
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 5: the year, you know you got you know, seven or

565
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 5: eight linemen in a full sweat on Friday, you know,

566
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 5: going through the first that you know, taking the time,

567
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 5: and you know, seeing the young guys on you know,

568
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 5: Out Doubt and second team, you know they're in a

569
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 5: full sweat now by week eight or week nine. And

570
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 5: just like you know, seeing guys like pick up on

571
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 5: things you do, like little things you do every week

572
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 5: to get yourself ready.

573
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 4: I think that's kind of you know, my leadership style.

574
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 5: It's more by you know example than as opposed to

575
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 5: you know, being the vocal you know, big raw Rah

576
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 5: locker room guy.

577
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 4: I think that's sort of where a glimpse at in

578
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: my leadership style.

579
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: I like it.

580
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: You know, Graham, when when you being able to play

581
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: so many different positions. Who's someone that you could possibly

582
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: pad in your game after because they're not many guys

583
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: in the pros that kind of bounce up and down

584
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 2: the line.

585
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: So who would you model your game after?

586
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, especially you know younger, going from when I was

587
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 5: bouncing out to left tackle, I watched a lot of

588
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 5: David Baktiari.

589
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 4: I just think, you know, similar measurables, similar play style.

590
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 5: Like like he's not a guy who wins because he's

591
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 5: six eight with with thirty eight inch arms.

592
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 4: You know, he's he's six four, three fifteen, you.

593
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 5: Know, similar builds, and I think similar kind of you

594
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 5: know play style, Like he's a really athletic offensive lineman,

595
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 5: Like you go back and watch him. He's first one

596
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 5: off the snap. You know he's going out, he's matching

597
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 5: guys foot to foot. You know, he challenges their angles

598
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 5: of their rush. And I think that was someone I watched,

599
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 5: you know, you know when you know, all all my

600
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 5: college career really and just taking a lot of influence

601
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 5: from him, because you know.

602
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: That was sort of my you know style. It's just

603
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 4: a different game.

604
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 5: It's different when you're you know, six eight, you know

605
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 5: you've got the thirty seven thirty eight inch arms than

606
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 5: when you're six ' five with thirty three. It's just,

607
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 5: you know, it's just it's not that it's easier or harder,

608
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 5: it's just different and you've got to approach it differently.

609
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 5: And so I think, you know, he's someone I watched

610
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 5: a lot and took some influence from and you know,

611
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 5: tried to, you know, replicate the things that I liked

612
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 5: about his game in mind. And I think, you know,

613
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 5: just so just you know, the past couple of years,

614
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 5: that's someone I've definitely studied.

615
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: It's good stuff. Man. The last one I have for

616
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: you and literally the most important question that you're going

617
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: to have to answer, Cameron Indoor overrated, underrated? What do

618
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: you got for me?

619
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: I think it's rated perfectly.

620
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: Bucky's a tar heel. So I'm just I'm just I'm

621
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: just letting you know on that front. Man.

622
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 5: No, it's it's a cool arena, and I think what's

623
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 5: so awesome about it and just makes it unique is

624
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 5: you know, you're not getting more than eight thousand people

625
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 5: in there, you know, as where as you see these

626
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 5: big modern arenas and there's you know, twenty thousand people

627
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 5: in there, but.

628
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 4: It's eight thousand.

629
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 5: That's what makes it kind of exclusive. That's what kind

630
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 5: of makes it so hard to get into. That's what

631
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 5: makes demand so high to get into games.

632
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: And how many games did you get to in your

633
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: time there? Like how many? How many times can you

634
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: actually get in here?

635
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 4: I think I think I went to three your whole.

636
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: College time there.

637
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: You're yeah, really it's really sweaty, and it's really sweaty.

638
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 3: It's not sweaty, it must be. It's a different deal.

639
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 4: It's a grind. It's grind. You gotta yeah, wearing a

640
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 4: little bit extra.

641
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: Well, then everybody says that, like, you know, duke basketball

642
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: player is a certain reputation. So like you're playing pickup

643
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: or you're playing high school basketball, whatever you're doing, were

644
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: you a slap the floor guy? Yeah, yeah, I know it,

645
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: I know it.

646
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 4: I know I'm not a lot of points, but.

647
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 5: Like I'm we're getting down of our stands, rebounds, you know, rebounds.

648
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 5: You know, I'm going straight up every time and challenging

649
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 5: shots like I'm all around and looking from.

650
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 4: The high post. Like yeah, that was that was my

651
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: influence on the basketball for You're perfect.

652
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: You're the perfect guy that DJ we want because he

653
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: wants to have two high pickers right at the top

654
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Speaker 2: of the elbows.

655
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Speaker 3: You would be a screener.

656
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: Give me and roll is my game?

657
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: Well, you'll roll.

658
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: You'll roll the.

659
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: First four times you and then you realize that coming

660
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: you're not looking at me at all.

661
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 4: I don't worry. Most of the time growing up, they

662
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: didn't look at me.

663
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: That's fantastic.

664
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: Dude.

665
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be able to keep it together when

666
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: you get that phone call?

667
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 4: You can?

668
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, what would the emotions be like? Have you

669
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: allowed yourself to go there?

670
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

671
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 5: I think I've allowed myself to go there, like sometime

672
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 5: I was nine or ten years old, to be honest

673
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 5: with you, and I just get this like wave of

674
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 5: goosebumps every time you even kind of envisioned that moment,

675
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 5: just you'pen you know, dreaming of it for so long.

676
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: I don't know.

677
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 5: I'll have some friends and family around me, so I

678
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 5: don't know if I'll I'll cry like I might, you know,

679
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 5: just you know, bury it.

680
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 4: But I don't know.

681
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 5: I don't think I've really experienced anything like that yet,

682
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 5: So I can't tell you. I could be a mess.

683
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 5: I could just bottle it up and then cry in

684
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 5: my room later. I don't know, but it's pretty I can.

685
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: I can just say it to you this way. The

686
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: intentions are one thing. My my my daughter got married a

687
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: few months ago, my oldest got married. I thought I

688
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: would be fine. There's no I'm not gonna cry. I'm

689
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: not gonna cry. Turn around. The first time I saw her,

690
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I cried for like the whole, the whole,

691
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: the whole, you know, you never know, you don't know,

692
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: is what I'm getting now. I know. Hey, Graham, Man,

693
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: we we appreciate it taking a little time. As we're

694
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: we're getting right on the doorstep of this draft. It's

695
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: a huge moment for you, man. Congrats on on all

696
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: the work that got you to this place, man, and

697
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: we'll be rooting for you as you as you find

698
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: out where you go.

699
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate you guys, Thanks for having me on.

700
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate a grand bart and joining us. But good dude, man,

701
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: But I'm again duke guys slapping the floor. Guaranteed, guaranteed.

702
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: That was I already dow the answer the question before you.

703
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: That was easy. That was easy. That was easy.

704
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: Yet I wasn't asking too if he'd ever give anybody

705
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: stitches on the basketball court. I think we both know

706
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: the answer to that.

707
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: Oh he looks like a good, nice firm screener, like

708
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: maybe that just gets up, yeah, kind of box. Well,

709
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: you know, if he's taught right, how he turns, you know, Yeah,

710
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: it's not it's an inadvertence, it's an.

711
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: Inverting high hey high, Hey hey, I'm just turning Like

712
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: what didn't I was just turning buck last thing before

713
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: we get out of here. Anything you think that's crazy

714
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: that we might see here?

715
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: Ah?

716
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: Man, I think the last half of the first round

717
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: is going to be full of surprise in terms of

718
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: because they're whatever, eighteen to twenty true first round picks.

719
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: I think is really open in terms of who kind

720
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: of falls into the first round, who falls out, and

721
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: those things. I'm just really excited to see how it

722
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: goes because I think the fun part for me is

723
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: not necessarily the pre draft part where we're talking about them,

724
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: but now when we see where they go, beginning to

725
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: project how they will play based on the system that

726
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: they're in.

727
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you. I always think that I

728
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: was like with this younger gms too, that they're a

729
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: little they're a little more creative and like, I didn't

730
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: know the draft in Vegas that we were going to

731
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: see a J. Brown and Hollywood Brown got traded, you know,

732
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I wouldn't. I don't know who

733
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: the veterans are, but be out of left field. No,

734
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: I us one everybody's talked about. But is there some

735
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's some other veteran dudes we're not

736
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: we're not thinking of that could get moved with this

737
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: thing cranked up? Who knows?

738
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: DJ I think that's to me and all the questions

739
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: like who is going to be moved because we have

740
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: all of these we have a handful of contract impasses

741
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: and what does that lead to? And in certain situations

742
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: people talk about Brandon Aiyuk and some of these other

743
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: guys that could be available.

744
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: Uh, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

745
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: Yep, no doubt. All right, Well, this has been a

746
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: fun one. I appreciate you guys hanging with us in

747
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: this entire draft process. We will we will have some

748
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: more stuff for you as we get to and through

749
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: this draft, so stay with us. We appreciate it. We'll

750
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: see next time. Right here on Movie six.

751
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Speaker 4: Perform Extunity

752
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Speaker 5: Before perform emmunity