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Speaker 1: The first question we asked everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you first got to the league, who's the

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Speaker 2: first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 3: Hey, look, I got my ass buzzed by a lot

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Speaker 3: of dudes, but the first one was Moses Malone. Mose

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Speaker 3: Malone Malone. I remember that.

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Speaker 4: I can still remember, uh that game, my first regular

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Speaker 4: season game we played against the Sixers. You know, I've

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Speaker 4: looked up the doc, I've looked up to Moses. You know,

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Speaker 4: my whole my whole life, uh, you know, in basketball

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Speaker 4: and I'm playing against these icons, and I remember the

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Speaker 4: first shot. Someone took a shot that came off the

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Speaker 4: board and I went over Moses back and then boom

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Speaker 4: dunking the rest of it. The rest of the game,

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Speaker 4: Moses don wom my butt out, my ass. I could

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Speaker 4: do anything right. He was just all over me.

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Speaker 1: Yo yo yo, Live on location in Quarantine.

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Speaker 5: Season has been gone, and we're kicking it off with

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Speaker 5: somebody very special to us.

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Speaker 1: Man. This is somebody who's.

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Speaker 5: Top fifty Hall of Fame, whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 5: greatest of all time. And more importantly, when me and

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Speaker 5: d Miles first first tame in the league, he really

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Speaker 5: embraced us and showed us a lot of love. Man,

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Speaker 5: it's our og the New York Nick Great, once a Nick,

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Speaker 5: always a Nick and Georgetown head coach Patrick Ewing appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: O G shut it up.

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Speaker 3: That's great to be on y'all.

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Speaker 1: So you came to the station from Jamaica, queen when

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Speaker 1: you was twelve?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I came from Jamaica to islands. Man, Now, Queen,

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Speaker 3: you get it right, bro tell.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling let's talk down. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: mean jamaked, I'm sorry. My bad came from the Islands.

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Speaker 4: I was born in Jamaica, you know, lived there till

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Speaker 4: I was twelve. My family migrated to to Cambridge, Massachusetts,

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Speaker 4: and that's when I started playing basketball.

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Speaker 5: What type of change and culture shock was that for

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Speaker 5: you at twelve? Coming from coming from the Islands in

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Speaker 5: Jamaica to Massachusetts a city the weather, the weather, right,

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Speaker 5: and I know you hate the call. See I know

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Speaker 5: how you.

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Speaker 3: Know they ride y'all of schools and all that.

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Speaker 4: I had a walk and you know, and I'm coming

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Speaker 4: from eighty ninety degree weather to Boston. Where's the twenties

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Speaker 4: or any teens? Snow everywhere I've I've never seen snow before.

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Speaker 4: So it was a culture shop. And then you know,

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Speaker 4: another shock was just the people.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, they because I had an accent,

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Speaker 3: they teased me all the time.

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Speaker 4: I used to get so many fights. So you know,

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Speaker 4: people wonder why it was so crazy on the court.

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Speaker 4: That's because people just to always tease me. So it's

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Speaker 4: for yourself. So I end up with myself a lot.

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Speaker 2: You you went to Cambridge right in high school, that's

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Speaker 2: when you started hooper A right in Redrew the Line.

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Speaker 3: But I started in grade.

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Speaker 1: School, started in grade school.

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Speaker 4: In grade school, I started around twelve. It's funny because,

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Speaker 4: like I said, I never knew basketball, never knew what

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Speaker 4: in on the playground and I see these kids playing

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Speaker 4: and they wanted me to play.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know how to play. I don't

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Speaker 4: So that's the first time I played, and I loved it,

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Speaker 4: and I just kept playing it ever since.

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Speaker 3: Uh Then a gentleman by the name.

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Speaker 4: Of Steve Jenkins saw me walking in the in the

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Speaker 4: in the hallways at the school and he's like, you

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Speaker 4: go to school here. I said, yeah, yes, I just

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Speaker 4: I just got here. He's like, look, I want you

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Speaker 4: that first started me, you know, teaching me about basketball,

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Speaker 4: teach me about Bill Russell, the Celtics dynasty, teaching me

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Speaker 4: all the integral parts of the game, how to shoot.

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Speaker 4: Then he took me to Mike Jobs, who later became

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Speaker 5: So pat, who would you say at that time, like

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Speaker 5: along with Bill Russell? Was though any of those You're

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Speaker 5: trying to pat your game after those guys, you know,

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Speaker 5: Kareem and Bill Russell, the guys that Mike Jarks was

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Speaker 3: Well, you know Bill Russell because you know he was

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Speaker 3: he was a dominant man. All they kept telling me

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Speaker 4: You know, he's eleven ring. Plus I was growing up

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Speaker 4: your game after him. And if you if you see

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Speaker 4: me back then, I was a dominant shot blocker running

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Speaker 1: In high school? When did you know that?

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Speaker 2: She was like, oh, man, I'm getting this basketball stuff,

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Speaker 2: like I'm better than the guys that I'm starting.

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Speaker 1: To see every time I play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, I think my freshman year I

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Speaker 4: had a great freshman year. I remember my first game

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Speaker 4: we played against Boston College High and I scored one point,

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Speaker 4: and I think I filed out in like five minutes.

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Speaker 3: I was just so nervous.

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Speaker 1: It's not like that hatchet man out there.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: The next game, I had twenty eight. So it all

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Speaker 4: started then. And then then I remember that they had

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Speaker 4: an article on me. I think I was. I think

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Speaker 4: I was fifty. Still, I was fifteen, so it said

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Speaker 4: at fifteen, he's already a superstar. So you know, at

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Speaker 4: at fifteen, I was about the same height that I

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Speaker 3: You know, it was athletic.

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Speaker 4: I could run, I could jump, I could block, So

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Speaker 4: I guess at that point I'd already started to be recognized.

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Speaker 4: But from fourteen to fifteen and on, people started to

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Speaker 4: that is gonna person that's gonna be a great player.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's Georgetown. But was it any way that

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Speaker 2: it could have been anybody else? Was it almost anybody else?

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Speaker 4: If you choose, yeah, lose. Ucla was my second choice.

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Speaker 4: I went out to UCLA for my first visit. I

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Speaker 4: met Kareem, I met Bill Walton, I met all the

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Speaker 4: Laker greats. I met John Wooden. It was ironic because

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Speaker 4: they had a nice celebrating John Wooden on all his dynasty.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sitting there in the room. I'm looking at

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Speaker 4: and I'm looking at all these great athletes.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man l a. And it was warm out there, right.

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Speaker 4: All the weather was perfect, right, it was perfect. But

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Speaker 4: they let me get back on that plane. Once I

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Speaker 4: got back on that plane, I'm like, California is a

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Speaker 4: little too far.

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Speaker 1: Too far.

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Speaker 5: That was a long ride. So what was it about

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Speaker 5: Georgetown and Coach Thompson that that sealed the deal for you?

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Speaker 3: You just hit the nail right on the head Coach Thompson.

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Speaker 1: Coach Thompson, he was.

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Speaker 4: I loved him. He looked like me, he played the game.

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Speaker 4: I loved how he spoke. He spoke with class and elegant.

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Speaker 3: I love.

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Speaker 4: D C was close to Boston, but far enough away

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Speaker 4: for me to to grow. I was a mama's boy,

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Speaker 4: so I need my mother, So I thought that I

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And it was close enough for them to come come

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Speaker 4: to the games when they wanted to, and and coach

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Speaker 4: Thompson d C. When I first came here, it was

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Speaker 4: a beautiful spring day. So I remember asking Coach Thompson,

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Speaker 4: is the weather like this all the time?

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Speaker 3: He's yeah. So after I signed and I'm here on

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Speaker 3: here on the campus.

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Speaker 1: That's a coach.

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Speaker 4: You know you told me that the weather's gonna be

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Speaker 4: Was son, Like my son, you signed, let already you

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Speaker 4: hear so good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Like I always loved John Thompson like he he was

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Speaker 2: the man. Like he retired like two years before I

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Speaker 2: play for him just because seeing y'all is just seeing

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Speaker 2: the players that he had from you, the Ai, the

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Speaker 2: Alonso to the tim Bay, like the history of that.

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Speaker 1: It was like John Thompson was the man.

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Speaker 3: Oh he was the man. It still is.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I loved playing for him. He gave me an opportunity

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Speaker 4: He gave me an opportunity to beat myself, and he

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Speaker 4: took a lot of heat for that. Uh he You know,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of times when you know, people wanted

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Speaker 4: me to do interviews and all these different things that

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Speaker 4: just didn't feel like doing it.

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Speaker 3: So he's the one that took the hit, him for me.

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Speaker 4: So he gave me, he built a wall around me

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Speaker 3: And I love.

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Speaker 1: Him for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And Georgetown and College, you went through wars with

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Speaker 2: some of the best players ever to play the game

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Speaker 1: Like college ain't like that no more. When we're seeing

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Speaker 1: these teams like playing every year.

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Speaker 2: You know, Georgetown won't be here because you putting multiple

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Speaker 1: A lot of these guys doing one year and getting

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Speaker 2: But back in y'all day, like y'all was there, you

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Speaker 2: gonna see them again next year.

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Speaker 1: If you got past up this year.

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Speaker 2: Like some of the wars like Ralph Sampson, like you

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Speaker 2: championship and Lajauan, like, tell us about some of them,

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Speaker 2: like wars you went through.

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Speaker 4: We had some great wars, you know, like it's not

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Speaker 4: like now know you guys, did you guys? Y'all went straight.

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Speaker 4: Y'all went straight to the league. I remember y'all young

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Speaker 4: bucks coming in called me the old man.

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Speaker 5: Hey, old man, old lass man.

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Speaker 4: But you know, in my era, you know, guys, most

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Speaker 4: of the guys went four years. I know Michael, we

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Speaker 4: were in the same class. He left a year early

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Speaker 4: and I was going to leave a year early, but

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Speaker 4: I chose to stay.

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Speaker 3: Charles Barkley left a year early. But we had some

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Speaker 3: great battles.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I had the opportunity to.

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Speaker 4: Play against Michael James Worthy Sam Perkins as a freshman

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Speaker 4: in the final game. Unfortunately, we lost, but it was

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Speaker 4: playing against Ralph Samson on another game. You know, at

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Speaker 4: that time, Ralph was the elite big man uh in

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Speaker 3: Then I'm playing against the King.

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Speaker 3: Then you then you back home.

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Speaker 1: But what what do you see the downfall of that direction?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you just hit the nade around on your head.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's trying to get.

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Speaker 1: You can just get that one payday, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're gonna use that three hundred thousand to

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Speaker 1: An that's what it's gonna be.

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Speaker 4: Amen.

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Speaker 2: So you get you get drafted by the Knicks, and

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Speaker 5: But but for you Pat, you knew as soon as

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Speaker 5: it was like whoever win the lottery, Patrick is the prize.

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Speaker 1: Of because I was there for you to know that

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Speaker 3: Oh, it was great.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because my first the first my

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Speaker 1: I was already gonna go.

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Speaker 3: To the next But then we had to and then

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Speaker 5: So so time out, time out. Well the deal though,

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Speaker 3: I got Paider, I gotta played well.

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Speaker 4: Uh, David, David fought did a great job of securing

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Speaker 5: See, that was those was back in the glory days

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Speaker 1: Now, it wasn't a slight you know, everybody.

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Speaker 5: They had to slow it down after Big Dog held

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Speaker 4: Hey, but look, I tell you this, I wish I

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Speaker 5: I love you, rational wealth, and you don't got to

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Speaker 2: I know, how is it like, tell us what it

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I enjoyed being a Knick, but when

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Speaker 4: You know, so he he stopped me from maybe winning

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Speaker 3: Then pat Riley came and just every Ernie grunfell pat Riley,

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Speaker 4: Everything just started to fall into line and made it

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Speaker 4: when we go to when we go to Miami, all

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Speaker 3: So no matter where you are, you always gonna see

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Speaker 1: Once a Nick, always a Nick. Every time we play,

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Speaker 5: Every time we went to the garden, I messed with

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Speaker 5: first time out, Tacod time out, one of them time out.

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Speaker 5: So I'm gonna confind you. So I get on the Dumbo,

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Speaker 3: It's always good to feel, you know, to feel in love.

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Speaker 4: You know, when when I was there, we had sometimes

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Speaker 1: To do for them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they got some of the you know they fans,

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Speaker 5: We all know how they are, but they got some

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Speaker 5: when they down with you, boy, they can say whatever,

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Speaker 5: would that's our team. We could say stuff. Y'all can't

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Speaker 2: You know, everybody they want to have their best game

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Speaker 1: Like, how was it like defending the Garden and the

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Speaker 2: Because this is one of the most famous player. It

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Speaker 2: The Garden is like the stage, the number one stage.

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Speaker 2: This is your home for fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: This is the crib. Like, how is that.

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Speaker 3: were good in my era, you know, so it was

448
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 3: you know, you give homage to MJ MJK and he dropped,

449
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 3: you know, fifty five against us. I don't know too

450
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 3: many other people you know, dropped that many big numbers

451
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 3: on us when we when we were good in my era.

452
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 4: But you know, a naturally that was home so we

453
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 4: wanted to definitely protect home court. That's one of we

454
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 4: always talked about it in the beginning of the year.

455
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 4: You always protect home court.

456
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 3: You may slip up a little bit on the road,

457
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 3: but every time anybody come here into Madison Square Garden,

458
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: we want to make sure that they were gonna feel us.

459
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 3: You know, Michael was that great that he was able

460
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 3: to do that.

461
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 4: Other people I know had big games there, but he's

462
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 4: the only one that I can remember that was able

463
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 4: to score that many points against us in New York.

464
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 4: In my tenans, I got another New York question, what's

465
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 4: your take on how basically since since your team has left,

466
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 4: they struggled to get the Superstars to to you know,

467
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 4: whether it's via free agency or whatever. They have the

468
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 4: guys like guys, what is your take on the Superstars

469
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 4: not wanting to go to the Knicks so to speak,

470
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,239
Speaker 4: because they haven't been able to get any of them

471
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 4: via free Creagency.

472
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 1: What do you think of that.

473
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 4: The last big superstars that all stars that have.

474
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 3: Come to the Next World, Amari and and a Mellow.

475
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were the last two big ones to come

476
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 4: and you know, on the Mike Wilson they were the

477
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 4: next were doing you know, doing doing a lot better.

478
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 3: They were doing great. Then things change, you know, uh,

479
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 3: you know, Phil got rid of Mellow, Maury left, and

480
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 3: then things just seemed to start, you know, going the

481
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 3: other way other way, you know, uh, you know, KD

482
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 3: had an opportunity to come to the Next and chose

483
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 3: to go to Brooklyn. So It's hard to say what

484
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 3: is going on because I'm not there. I'm not living there.

485
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 4: Plus, my my focus is on on Georgetown and try

486
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 4: to get us built, us back to where, you know,

487
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 4: where we need to be. But you know, as a

488
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 4: as a Nick, as a as a Knick fan, you know,

489
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 4: I'm sad, and I'm hoping that things will turn back around.

490
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 4: You know, I want to see them back back where

491
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 4: they need to be, kicking buss and taking names.

492
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 2: Pat Riley is one of my favorite NBA legends. And

493
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: you got the chance to play for pat Riley and

494
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 2: then you got the chance to see Pat Riley take

495
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: an organization in Miami and turn into his own little playground.

496
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: How was it playing for Pat Rowley?

497
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: It was great playing for Pat you know, Patt.

498
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 4: It was when by the time he came through was

499
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 4: he wasn't Pat Rowley the showtime Laker coach anymore. And

500
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 4: you know, he built the Knicks in my image. We

501
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 4: were blue collar. We were a hard hat you know.

502
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 4: We didn't have Magic Johnson running the break condition all

503
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 4: though it was dying, you know, so we we had

504
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 4: to go about it a different way.

505
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: So we were.

506
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: Gonna beat everybody up.

507
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 4: We were gonna be physical, We're gonna be grinding, grinding,

508
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 4: you know, he's you know, he kept saying, this is

509
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 4: how this I'm a New York guy. That's how my

510
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 4: father was when he was working, and that's what that's

511
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 4: what our city, uh, the New York is all about.

512
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 4: You know, hard working, blue got your hard hat on

513
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 4: your lunch pail and you're trying to you know, kick

514
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: bus and take names.

515
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 3: So that's the way he built the team.

516
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, he was only there well three years, three maybe

517
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 4: four years, and then he went to Miami. Uh, and

518
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 4: I remember the first time we played Miami. The first

519
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: go around we played Miami, it was just like a

520
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 4: swimmage game.

521
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: You know.

522
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 4: They had Lonzo and we had and you know, and

523
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 4: of course the next had me. But we were all

524
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 4: running the same place, played the same thing. So they

525
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 4: come down running flopping, We running floppy. They made it

526
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: to whatever call they're called. We already knew what it was,

527
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 4: so now you have to stop it. But you know,

528
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 4: I loved playing playing for Pat. He's a great coach. Uh,

529
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 4: he's a great role model. Unfortunately, I was disappointed that

530
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 4: we didn't want I was sad when he left. But

531
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 4: I thought that when Jeff flank Gunny took over, Jeff

532
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: flank Gunny still embraced and embodied a lot of the

533
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 4: things that pat Riley taught us.

534
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: Your jump shot, where did you get your jump shot from?

535
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: You're a big man that can shoot. Had touched like you,

536
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: was dominant not only just close to the basket, but

537
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: fifteen foot out like you.

538
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: That's cash. Like, where did you get your jump shot from?

539
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 4: You know, I think that all goes back to those

540
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 4: guys and mister Jobs, mister Jenkins. They the ones that

541
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 4: started teaching me, you know, doing all the different things,

542
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 4: you know, bouncing the ball, shooting and laid in the

543
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 4: bed or you know, trying to get the touch. All

544
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 4: those things that they taught me when I first started

545
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 4: playing help me to become, you know, the player on

546
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 4: the shooter that I became. And it's funny because when

547
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 4: I now it's it's great for bigs to be able

548
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: to shoot jump shots, you know, even out to the three.

549
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 4: When I first they're like, oh, he's too finesse. All

550
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 4: he's doing is shooting jump shot. He needs to just

551
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 4: get in the painting. I got so much because I

552
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 4: was able to shoot. But if I wasn't able to shoot,

553
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have been able to score twenty some thousand points, right,

554
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 4: I'd have been just so one dimensional.

555
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 3: And I was not one dimensional.

556
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 4: I could shoot it, I could put it on the floor,

557
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 4: get to the cup, I could dunk on you. And

558
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 4: I was playing defense. I was blocking shots, I was

559
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 4: running the break getting dumps. So you know, everything that

560
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 4: all those guys, mister Jobs, mister Jenkins, and all the

561
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 4: people that helped me when I first started Boo Dalphin,

562
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: they all helped me to become the player that I became,

563
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 4: and you know, coach Thompson, he had had the rest

564
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 4: and then all the other coaches that I had in

565
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 4: the NBA.

566
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: Tell me about when you found out that there.

567
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 5: Was gonna be the Dream Team and that you was

568
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 5: gonna be a part of the team, and like when

569
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 5: you found out the players that was gonna be on

570
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 5: the team, what was your thoughts about being being you know,

571
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 5: assembling with those guys and going out to be playing

572
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 5: the Olympics with those caliber players after.

573
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: What you knew about everybody going into.

574
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's like I said, you know, I

575
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: tell I tell people this all the time. So we

576
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 4: we we took a couple of steps back in a

577
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: couple of years in the in the in the Olympics,

578
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 4: in the World Game.

579
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: So they call in the seals, We're like.

580
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 4: Look they like they were starring there, and the community like, look,

581
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 4: we need to see them.

582
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: We need to go get that we did.

583
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 4: Let let the world know that basketball started on this

584
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 4: on this in this country. So you know, myself, Michael Magic,

585
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 4: Larry All, you know, Carl Charles, you know, all the

586
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 4: guys on the team, we all knew what we had

587
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 4: to do and it was just a great experience and

588
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 4: it's funny because we all knew we were great players,

589
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 4: you know, but it wasn't you know, you don't know

590
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 4: what how other people outside of this country, you know,

591
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 4: think of you till you're actually living it. I remember

592
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: the plane landing in in uh In in Spain, and

593
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 4: you see thousands and thousands of people just at the

594
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 4: airport line is streaming. I'm like, oh my god, we

595
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 4: really rock Star rockets Rocket.

596
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: To be in another country and see there, it's just crazy.

597
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean it was. It was a great experience.

598
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 4: And then you know, we kicked at the kick Bustle

599
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 4: took the name. But uh, the crazy thing was against

600
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: at Golden when Charles went and hit the guy with like, Charles,

601
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 4: what the black you're doing? You're trying to start You're

602
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: trying to start the.

603
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: Walk, chasing guys up that whole tournament.

604
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: Oh yes, he.

605
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: Wasn't gonna take no, he wasn't taking no ship. He's

606
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 4: gonna smack. He's smacking somebody running over him, forming them.

607
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: That's just Charles.

608
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: Hey tell me this.

609
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 5: We are seeing the different clips about about how the

610
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 5: practices were, how how were the practices, how competitive, and

611
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 5: how high level were they in the beginning. I know,

612
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 5: things settled down at a certain point. But when you

613
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 5: guys first got there, like the practices, how worth, how

614
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 5: was that?

615
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: It never sailed down, never sailed down. When you got

616
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: you have you have Michael, Yeah, Magic, Yeah, Larry.

617
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: Everybody talking trash and you know Michael, Michael wanted Larry

618
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 4: and and Magic to know that it's his turn now,

619
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: right you know.

620
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: Then you know Magic, Michael played these little you know

621
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: mind games, you know, talking trash to Clyde. He's going

622
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: that Clyde.

623
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: You know what did he do to class? What did

624
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: he do to Clyde? Oh?

625
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: He just you know, he just wanted Clyde to know that,

626
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: you know that he I'm better than you. So he

627
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 4: gonna talk trash to Clyde, you know, talk, you know,

628
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 4: talk trash about them beating them up, you know when

629
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 4: he was at Portland. So you know, all of those

630
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: things made it, uh made it so competitive, and of

631
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: course myself and David we wanted to show that we

632
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: were still we were great as well, so we battling

633
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 4: each other. Charles going against call you know, my magic,

634
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: and Michael Scotty going against you know magic.

635
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: You know, Larry his back was hurt, so he wasn't

636
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: doing as much.

637
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 4: Everybody out there was just trying to show that they

638
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 4: were great enough and good enough to be there and

639
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 4: deserve I mean, we're all alphas, right, Everything on that

640
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 4: team was an was an alpha. So you know, we

641
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: we had to all of us, had to, you know,

642
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 4: to step back and let Michael and the rest of

643
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 4: those guys shine.

644
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: But you look at that team, We're all alphas.

645
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: We're all great.

646
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: We all were great, and we all knew that we

647
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: were great.

648
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: You played all these years with the Knicks and then

649
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: you finally had to play for other teams. Yeah, that

650
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: was rough, Like to go to like Seattle and Orlando

651
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: and go to these different places, to actually live somewhere

652
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: else outside of it's all you know is New York.

653
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: You just spend like decade, over a decade years years

654
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: this is home.

655
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: And then like the end of your career, you're going

656
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: to How was that like to actually go somewhere else

657
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: and play, you know, and.

658
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 3: In hindsight, I should have stayed.

659
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: But after fifteen years of hearing the same thing, you know,

660
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 4: one from you know, rumblers from your teammates or in

661
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 4: the media saying that you know, the Knicks are better

662
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: off without.

663
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: Them, and they need to, you know, move on from him.

664
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: After fifteen years of hearing that you just got you

665
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 4: just get tired of it. So I got tired of

666
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 4: hearing it, and I just thought it was it was

667
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: best for me to move on. So I went to Seattle.

668
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 4: They traded me to Seattle. I agreed to be traded

669
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: to Seattle. And the funny thing is, after fifteen years

670
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: of hearing from the Sehn Center from the New York Knicks,

671
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 4: so every time they're announcing the starting lineup, I'm waiting

672
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: for them to say starting center them from the New

673
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: York mix, and they kept saying Seattle super Sign and

674
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 4: then it's like, man, anymore, you're a supersonic.

675
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: So that was weird.

676
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: And then things didn't work out the way that we

677
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: started w in Seattle. So then I went to Orlando,

678
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 4: and you know, that was just probably a wrong move,

679
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 4: but I did enjoy living in Florida.

680
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: Like you guys are the sunshine.

681
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: You know.

682
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: I used to call my friends when it when when

683
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: it's when it would be about seventy eighty degrees and

684
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 4: I'm said, what's the weather in New York today.

685
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: I said, well, I'm not I'm sitting out by the pool.

686
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

687
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: I loved that part about it, but the playing part

688
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: I didn't like.

689
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: I love, I enjoyed playing with t mac Darren Armstrong

690
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: and the guys that we played with, but that was

691
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 4: not a very good experience for me because, uh, you know,

692
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: I guess Doc didn't think I.

693
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: Could play anymore.

694
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: So you know, it was hard for me sitting on

695
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: the bench and knowing that I could play and believing

696
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 4: that I could play, but it just wasn't It just

697
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: wasn't a good fit.

698
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: At the end.

699
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: You had a sneaker called the Ewings. You got a

700
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: ewing across the he still got it. I'm sorry, I

701
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: still got the sneaker.

702
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: Couple ewings. That's right.

703
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: You had your name ewing across the tongue of the shoe. Like,

704
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: how was that to have that in this many years?

705
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: To still have it and people still rocking your shoes?

706
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: It was great.

707
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: You know.

708
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 4: It's funny because when I first came to the NBA,

709
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 4: I signed with Adidas, and then at the end of

710
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: my second year because I got to hurt my first

711
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: two seasons, Adidas said that they.

712
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: Didn't think I was the player they didn't. I wasn't.

713
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 4: I didn't turn out to be the player that thought

714
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 4: I was going to be. So they decided they wanted

715
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: to reduce my money. So I was like, you know what,

716
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: forget that, just pay me off, cut tie.

717
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: So they come.

718
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 4: Ties with me, and then a gentleman by the name

719
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: of Bird of Muleer came to me with the idea

720
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: of starting my own company, our own company. So he

721
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 4: and I became partners and we started the Ewing brand

722
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 4: and we were rocking for a while. Then the tennis

723
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: shoe industry went took took a turn, we went out

724
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 4: of business. And then another gentleman, you know, brought it

725
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: back to my attention. It would gold Berth. So now

726
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 4: we're back. We have it again. Because of my affiliation

727
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 4: at Georgetown, because of you know, georgeown is a Jordan's school.

728
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: In Nike school, I had to, you know, uh, put

729
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: my my ownership in s Row.

730
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: So you know, now I'm basically a Jordan. I represent Jordan.

731
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: You like us, okay, we all have you know.

732
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: I love Mike. I tell Mike just keep on sending

733
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 4: the gear. My kids love it. But my shoe is

734
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: still out there and it's still doing well.

735
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got the best of both. Well, yes, I do.

736
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this.

737
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: Out of all the players that you to play with

738
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: in the NBA, if you had to pick four players

739
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: to play with, who would be the four.

740
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: Players that I played play against?

741
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: I got all your teammates that you to play with.

742
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 2: If you had to pick four of them, no matter

743
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: who they are, who would be the four year'll play with?

744
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: Well?

745
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 4: You know John Starks because I love his toughness. You know,

746
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 4: he worked for everything that he got.

747
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: You know, he had.

748
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 4: He played with a chip on his shoulder. He was

749
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 4: a good athlete, stricty shooter. But you know, when you're

750
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 4: when you're going to war, and we we always equate

751
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 4: sports to war.

752
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: Even though it's not really war, you know, but.

753
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: When you want the war, that's the kind of dude

754
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 4: you want in your fox old somebody that you know

755
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 4: raised leak snow, he gonna be there with you. You know,

756
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 4: oak Charles Oakley, you know, he's he's the hit man.

757
00:35:54,080 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 4: We played about ten twelve years together. Physical Uh, anybody

758
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 4: messed with anybody on the team, he's gonna be the

759
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: first one to accept to them.

760
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Larry Johnson, grandmama.

761
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 4: It wasn't Grandmama no more, but he was still he

762
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 4: reshaped this game, became a much better three point shooter,

763
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 4: you know, and a great leader.

764
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 3: Uh, Alan Houston, you know, great shooter.

765
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 4: You know what, I forgot a point though, We're gonna

766
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: need somebody to bring the damn baul up, you know,

767
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: either Flipper called Charlie Water or Mark Jackson their coming

768
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 4: and you know all of them.

769
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: Well, it's something great for us.

770
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 5: I want to talk to you, but because I know,

771
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 5: you know, you coach me in Orlando, and now for

772
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 5: you to be back at Georgetown where it.

773
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: All started for you?

774
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 5: How like I remember hitting you up when I heard

775
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 5: the news, congratulating you, telling you know you need any

776
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 5: help with me, with guys.

777
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: Anything on phone, call away, and just being happy for you.

778
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 5: How has that been for you to be back there,

779
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 5: like you said, where it all started, then got the

780
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 5: you know, you got the Jordan deal, the school and

781
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 5: you know, all of those different things, and just how

782
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 5: is that for you to be back there?

783
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: Oh, it's great, you know, it's it's it's come full circle.

784
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: I started here as a player, you know, playing for

785
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: coach Thompson giving me an opportunity to shine, and now

786
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: you know it's my turn to to to leave, you know.

787
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: As you know, I worked for fifteen years to try

788
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: to be deserve Yeah, working working with some great coaches,

789
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 3: Dan stamp Man, Gundy, Jeff Man Gundy, Steve Clifford, working

790
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: alongside Bob Buyer, uh, Tom thiberdo play for some great coaches.

791
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: So my my lineage is is long. So I've worked

792
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: extremely hard, uh to get to this position or this

793
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: point in my life, and I feel blessed.

794
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: You know.

795
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 4: It's my job now to to do the same things

796
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 4: for this generation that coach Thompson did for me.

797
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: Teach them the game, you know, embrace them, show them love, kick.

798
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 4: Them in the ass when they need to be kicked

799
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 4: in the ass, but also pat him in the back

800
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 4: and let them know I love them, you know, and

801
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: just teaching them about life.

802
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: You know.

803
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: Coach Thompson always you know, he had.

804
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 4: A ball in his office talking about at some point

805
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: in your life, the basketball is gonna stop bouncing, and

806
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: what are you gonna do to set yourself up for

807
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 4: the next phase or the next chapter in your life.

808
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 4: So talking to the kids about that. So I feel

809
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: blessed that it's.

810
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 3: Come full circle and I'm here.

811
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: You know, and you you have your ups and you

812
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 4: have your downs, and it doesn't doesn't anything in life.

813
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 4: And I remember my mother and my father always telling me,

814
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 4: if it don't kill you, it's gonna make you stronger.

815
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 4: So We've had our ups and I downs. I've had

816
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: my ups and I've had my downs. But I think

817
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 4: that everything that I've uh faced, that that I faced

818
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 4: faced in my life, all it's.

819
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: Gonna do is make me stronger going on, going forward.

820
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: What was that?

821
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: When was the day when you felt like I want

822
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: to be a coach, Like this is actually something that

823
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: I actually want to do?

824
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: Like when that did that come about? Like a coach?

825
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: And I never wanted to say that, not I'm like,

826
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 4: I don't want to coach.

827
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: I think I got the patience for I.

828
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 3: That's that is so funny. I never thought of being

829
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 3: a coach.

830
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 4: I remember playing in Orlando when Johnny Davids coming to

831
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: me and saying, you know what you're gonna do when

832
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: you're finished playing? I'm like, hang out with my family,

833
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 4: you know, be around my kids. He's like, why why

834
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 4: put all that knowledge on the table and that. But

835
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 4: and at that time I didn't really know what the

836
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: hell he was talking about. So I'm listening to him

837
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 4: as the year goes on, and and then the end

838
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 4: of the year comes and I'm sitting I forgot where

839
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 4: Michael and I was at. We were somewhere. I could

840
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 4: be in DC here or maybe in New York. We

841
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: were somewhere having dinner. Michael Jordan and uh, you know,

842
00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: I'm saying.

843
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: You know, we were talking and he's like, what are

844
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: you gonna do now? I say, you know, this is

845
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: my last year.

846
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm done.

847
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to find something to do. I know,

848
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: I'm still young. I don't want to just go home

849
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 4: and waste a way. I want to find something else

850
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 4: to do. And that's when he brought it to me.

851
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 4: He said, look, you know, why don't you come work

852
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 4: for me in Washington. He was running the Wizards at

853
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 4: the time. He's like, why don't you come work for

854
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 4: me in Washington. You can either you know, start a coach,

855
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 4: you know, learn from Duck Collins, Johnny Bob, Larry Drew,

856
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: and see if you like that. And then if you

857
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 4: don't like that, then we moved into the front office. Well,

858
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 4: I tried coaching and I loved it. I fell in

859
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 4: love with it that day just seeing to me, it's

860
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: like raising your kids. You know, you have all of

861
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 4: y'all have kids, so you're always telling your kids things.

862
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 4: You know, you need to do this, you need to

863
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 4: do that, and a lot of times you're talking to

864
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 4: them and it's like going in this here and going

865
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: out the other. But then when you're not, when they

866
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 4: you don't, they don't think you're watching, and all the

867
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 4: things that you're trying to teach them, you see them

868
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: actually doing it. That's the that's the joy I get

869
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 4: out of coaching because sometimes the guy.

870
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: You're talking to him and you don't with me to.

871
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 4: Know, I think that they're listening to what you're trying

872
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: to teach you, and then you actually see it. So

873
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 4: from that at that point, that's when I fell in

874
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 4: love with coaching. And now it's been around about eighteen

875
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: nineteen years now that I'm still doing it up and

876
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 4: I'm better at it every every year. So every setback

877
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 4: I've had in terms of trying to get a head job,

878
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 4: the interviews that I've gotten, no ever, no every know

879
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: I've got, I try to use that as motivation and

880
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 4: try to make myself better for the next for the

881
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: next opportunity.

882
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 5: So, pat with the way the season and everything ended

883
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 5: with the with the coronavirus, what how have you been

884
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 5: doing with your team and like that your kids at home?

885
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: Like where what has been a protocol for you guys?

886
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Speaker 4: Yes, with with the with the corona, I'm communicating with everybody.

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Speaker 3: It's like improved communicating you guys.

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Speaker 4: So everything right now is virtual, so and things until

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Speaker 4: they tell us, you know, guys are able to come

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Speaker 4: back on campus and start summer school. Everything right now

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Speaker 4: is virtual. So we're doing everything virtual. So we're just

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Speaker 4: trying to make the best out of a bad situation.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely before we you know, I know we wound

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Speaker 5: it down. But I want to ask you about everybody

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Speaker 5: talking about obviously the last dance and everything that's going

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Speaker 5: on with that.

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Speaker 1: What what what happened?

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Speaker 5: Your thoughts been on on the whole last dance and

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Speaker 5: everything in the in the in the bulls and the

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Speaker 5: this whole documentary.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, like I tell everybody, I've not watched

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Speaker 3: a lot of it. I've watched bits and pieces. I've

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Speaker 3: lived through it, you know.

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Speaker 4: I already know Michael was you know, like I said that,

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Speaker 4: it started to show this man has been beating me

906
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Speaker 4: for a lot of years. Uh, And he definitely lets

907
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Speaker 4: me know it. Every time I see him. He always

908
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Speaker 4: lets me know it that you have never beaten me.

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Speaker 4: But you know, he's a great player. He's a he's

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Speaker 4: a leader, he's a self motivator, and he tried to

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Speaker 4: motivate his team.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, you know, we weren't able to beat them.

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Speaker 4: But the year that he that he had already left

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Speaker 4: retired and started playing baseball. But you know, there's nothing

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Speaker 4: to say. He's one of the best players to ever

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Speaker 4: play this game. He's the best player to play it

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Speaker 4: in my era. And all these things. People are trying

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Speaker 4: to judge who who's the best of all times. To me,

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Speaker 4: it's hard to tell. You know, Kareem was great in

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Speaker 4: his time, Doctor j was great. You know, Lebron is great,

921
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Speaker 4: Kobe was great. All these players, they're all great in

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Speaker 4: their own in the own era. Now, who's the best?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. But the the documentary about Michael or

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Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, it's great.

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Speaker 4: It shows you some insights of what went on in

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Speaker 4: the Bulls organization. But you know, you have to take

927
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Speaker 4: your hat off to him. He won six championships. You

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Speaker 4: know a lot of people haven't done that. Bill rush

929
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Speaker 4: Bill Russell has he has eleven So there's not a

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Speaker 4: lot of people who were able to do that. And

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Speaker 4: he's one of those guys. And he's and you know,

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Speaker 4: he wasn't the he wasn't a side kick.

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Speaker 1: He was the one.

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody knew the.

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Speaker 4: Ball was coming to him and you you knew you

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Speaker 4: had to stop hitting, So you got to give him credit.

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Speaker 4: But I got all I got to say is that

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Speaker 4: he Look, you guys.

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Speaker 3: Have come a long way.

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Speaker 4: You know, from the young that I used to I

941
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Speaker 4: used to be kicking y'all bus and taking y'all, taking

942
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Speaker 4: name talking, talk about trash talking YouTube.

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Speaker 3: For for some young bucks were the.

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Speaker 4: Biggest trash talking that I had ever met. But you know,

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Speaker 4: like I said, you know, we all had things in

946
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Speaker 4: our life that may may may have not gone the

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Speaker 4: way that we would have liked. But I like to

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Speaker 4: see I love to see where you guys are now.

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Speaker 4: I love to see the fact that y'all took your

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Speaker 4: lumps and y'all back on top kicking bus and taking you.

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Speaker 5: Know that made a lot coming from you, not of love,

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Speaker 5: so that's a rap man.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you. O G.

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Speaker 5: This is this is this is Hall of Fame, fifty

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Speaker 5: years all time, fifty greatest players, dream team and Georgetown

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Speaker 5: head coach and this has been pat You ain't with us, man,

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Speaker 5: We appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Och. You know we got major love.

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Speaker 4: So you man, it's cute, straight up and you know

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Speaker 4: the feelings