1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: I'm welcome to Steff. I never told your precictional iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: And we we really jumped into the spooky season Halloween 4 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 3: really early this year. It wasn't necessarily intentional. There was 5 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 3: a lot of things that were happening via vacations and illness, 6 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 3: ill wark. 7 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: Trips and yes, book stuff and now Joey duty, Like 8 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: there's just too much. 9 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: There's jury duty potentially on the horizon. But yeah, so 10 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 3: we jumped in and a lot of those things are 11 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: perhaps terrifying and their own right our anxiety inducing also. 12 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: But in looking back. 13 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: Through our catalog, we have already rerun a lot of 14 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 3: the horror episodes we've done, but I found too we haven't. Yes, 15 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: and they are are Urban Legends Women Urban Legends two parter, 16 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 3: so you're gonna get part one and then we'll get 17 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 3: part two. 18 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: Nice. 19 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 3: I do think it would be fun to revisit these, 20 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: because when we did these, it was hard to whittle 21 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 3: down who we would talk about. But I also think 22 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: there might be some newer ones we could discuss. I've 23 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 3: seen some horror movies lately where I'm like, oh, is 24 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: this a thing now? 25 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: Okay, we need. 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 4: To go back into the international stuff too. 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 3: Yes, I agree, I agree, And if listeners have any 28 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: suggestions about who we could talk about. 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: Please let us know. 30 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: But in the meantime, enjoy this part one of our 31 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: Women of Urban Legends. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. 32 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,559 Speaker 3: I'm welcome to stephone Never Told You production of iHeartRadio. 33 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Annie, it is that season. 34 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: We are heading towards the end of September today recording 35 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 4: at the end of September. It's gonna be released in October. 36 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 4: And we've been planning this episode for a minute. Yeah, 37 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 4: in anticipation for the spooky seasons, because we love the 38 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: spooky season. And yeah, I need to know what is 39 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 4: the most recent Halloween movie or scary movie you watched? 40 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 3: So I've already started my repertoire. I have a big 41 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: Halloween catalog that I have to work through. So last 42 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: night I did. I feel like we've talked about this 43 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 3: all the time. It sounds like we watch it NonStop. 44 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: But I watched The Conjuring and The Conjuring too, I 45 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: did recently before that, I watched Host the Zoom based. 46 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: One and then Fair and Ellectivity one in two and 47 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: I watched the New Candy Man. 48 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like I'm always embarrassed because those 49 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: are like ones I've talked about before, and I'm always 50 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 3: trying to think of, like, what's a new one I 51 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 3: could turn people onto. I haven't gotten to that point 52 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: yet because I am trying to save, like I'm ready 53 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: for October. I'm like going through some of the ones. 54 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: I've seen a lot already, so I I'm just like, Okay, 55 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: I've done it, but I haven't watched I don't think 56 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: I've watched anything recently. 57 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: What about you. 58 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 4: I've been revisiting the classics. Yeah, I did watch Malignant. 59 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: We talked about that. Oh yeah, watch Candy Man. We 60 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: talked about that. 61 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: We won't give any spoilers on any of those. 62 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: I watched The Ruins for the first time. 63 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and then I just rewatched Halloween because Halloween 64 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: coming the original you know, Jamie Lee Curti is one 65 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 4: of her first movies. Watched that, Yeah, and I was like, huh, 66 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 4: you know, and Carrie, you have those girls, the same 67 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 4: type of girls in each of these movies, and I 68 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: really forget how they sound very similar to one another. 69 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: And it had that moment like like. 70 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 4: The giggling and the high pitched voices, which is not 71 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: a bad thing, but it's just interesting how they played 72 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 4: on this really hard in all those movies in those eras, 73 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 4: so I thought that was interesting. I have gotten a 74 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,559 Speaker 4: copy of the Silent Hill, or Brother, I have gotten 75 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: a copy of Silent Hill, So I am getting revved 76 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 4: up to go to that. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm already like, 77 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 4: who this is gonna be interesting. So yes, I'm getting 78 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 4: ready for that because I've been trying to go through 79 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 4: all of them. 80 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: So I'm very picky in that. I don't want it 81 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: to be too gruesome. 82 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 4: I'm not huge, like murder of movies doesn't bother me 83 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 4: necessarily the slasher films, but it would over the top, 84 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 4: like just being gross in torture films. I don't love that, 85 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 4: So that is something that I don't do. But because 86 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 4: we love the horror season, we are going to jump 87 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 4: right into it with some delightful stories of ghosts, goblins 88 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 4: which is God's folklore, and some good haunts from around 89 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 4: the world. 90 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: Yes, and this was your idea, and I think you 91 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: had it in like August, I told. 92 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: You I was really ready for the season. 93 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, she was very excited about it, like in August, 94 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: so this is a long time coming, and it was 95 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: a really fun one. 96 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: It was a fun one to research. There are, like 97 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 2: I guess content warning more than sugar warning. 98 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: There are some dark and gruesome themes in here, but 99 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 3: we're not gonna get I mean, it's urban legends essentially 100 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: what we're talking about. 101 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 2: Not the movie though, which I still haven't seen. 102 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: And I will say combing through these because we have 103 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 3: like a big list we were working off of, and 104 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: I kind of bread over summaries of every one of them, 105 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 3: and there were some common themes like immediately that popped 106 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: out to me, like women who can shape shift into 107 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 3: animals that was a big one, or who are in 108 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 3: some way part animal, can control the weather and often water. 109 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: Lots of themes around childbirth, child death, motherhood, and sexuality 110 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: that probably surprises nobody. Lots of playing on societal fears, 111 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 3: which we've talked about is kind of a big thing 112 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: in horror anyway. A lot of morality tales, stories to 113 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: keep the youth in line, like don't do something bad 114 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 3: at school, kids, or this ghost will come get you. 115 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: Or has perfect grades. Apparently it's one of the things. 116 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, which is interesting. 117 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: And if this is like really your jam, you can 118 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: check out past episodes we've done on female monsters. We've 119 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 3: done Banshees and Sucky Bye. I think even the Revenge 120 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: women Revenge episodes could kind of fit in. 121 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,559 Speaker 4: Right, if you're like really into it and why women 122 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: like monsters type of things, Yes, why women like monsters. 123 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 3: I think we've even done one past hosted one on 124 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 3: like vampires specifically serial killers. We've done Women to Killers 125 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: and Women who Love serial Killers and then black. 126 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: Widows serial Killers. 127 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: But all of that being said, just like with a 128 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 3: lot of those episodes, we tried to hunt down the 129 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 3: best sources. 130 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: But these are urban legends, like a lot of it. 131 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: Depends on you oral retellings or just things like you 132 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: can't quite confirm because it's just a story that people 133 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: pass around. A lot of it is hearsay, and that's 134 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: where some of the fun of it is. But just 135 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: caveat on there, and I think, like we'll probably most 136 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: of the time it's very clear, but for pretty much 137 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: a majority of the urban legends, the like story that 138 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: you tell, there's no proof of us late, so it's 139 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: just a story people tell over and over again until 140 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: you're convinced that it did happen, all right, But it. 141 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: Also a reminder and each culture is different and there's 142 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: typically more than one variations of these goes. We just 143 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: chose like specific areas to talk about that type or 144 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 4: that specific folklore. So yeah, and I think one of 145 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 4: the more famous we will talk about it's a little 146 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 4: bit about Bloody Mary. 147 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Essentially, there's a different forms of that all over the world. 148 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: So just that as a reminder. So what you heard 149 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: is obviously going to be different from what they heard, 150 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: the type of. 151 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 4: Thing, and yeah, most of them are not necessarily based 152 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 4: on any truth, just kind of again, some kind of 153 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 4: cautionary tale. So the information will we get take it 154 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 4: with a grain of salt. 155 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: But it was fun. 156 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 4: Nonetheless, it was right and will be yes, because there's 157 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 4: so many good stories and legends around the world. 158 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: This will be a two parter. 159 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 4: So Anie and I decided to go through this massive 160 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 4: it I'm taking saying, like a massive list of different 161 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 4: types of ghosts or haunts or folklore, and we took 162 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 4: and picked out some of our favorites to talk about. 163 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 4: So yeah, here are some of our favorites. Let's let's start, 164 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 4: and I'm going to start this one just because I 165 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 4: was like, oh, yeah, I've seen. 166 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: This, which is the Korean virgin ghost. 167 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 4: Y'all. Man, I think it's only fitting that we start 168 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 4: with the cautionary tale because this is about the poor 169 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 4: young virgin. And yes, pretty much we're talking about the girls, 170 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: although there is a version of the male virgin and 171 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 4: what they have to do for them. But I don't 172 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 4: see them haunting people from market. I know there has 173 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 4: been some cultures that talk about the fact that they 174 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 4: will curse the family, so like it's not about necessarily 175 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 4: the ghost or the coming back of but that it 176 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: curses the entire family. 177 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: YadA, YadA, YadA. That's a whole curses YadA, YadA, YadA whatever. 178 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: And yes, these are the young women who died with 179 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 4: no purpose nor any meaning because they died tragedy of 180 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 4: tragedies as single virgins. 181 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: Oh no. 182 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 4: So, according to old folklore and legends within the Korean culture, 183 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 4: the many ghosts that exist in these areas are typically 184 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 4: made up of young, unfulfilled women because they are not 185 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 4: able to fulfill their responsibilities as a mother or a wife, 186 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 4: and so I have resentment that makes them unable to 187 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 4: move on. 188 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: Into the peaceful afterlife. 189 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very very important to be married apparently, and 190 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 4: again this is very old legend, more so than currently 191 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 4: we know. Things have changed, but this still exists in 192 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 4: that they think, and I believe they're called qushians, which 193 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 4: are the ghosts in Korean, So just so. 194 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: You know, and if I have mispronounced that, I'm trying, y'all. 195 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be real Korean. It's hard. 196 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 4: And if they appear to you, they are often seen 197 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 4: in white hindbucks which is Korean traditional apparel called sobuk, 198 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 4: which is specific to mourning attire, and of course their 199 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 4: hair is down because they have to untie their hair 200 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: as a sign that they were indeed never married, so 201 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 4: the married women would have their hair tied up right. 202 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: And sometimes when. 203 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: They appear, they may be shedding tears of blood or 204 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 4: covered in blood, so I don't know. I think that 205 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: might be for the extra spook because none of these 206 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 4: tales talk about them dying tragically as in like murdered 207 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 4: or anything, just dying without purpose essentially, And often times 208 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: when these ghosts appear, they may attack themselves onto young girls, 209 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 4: which made those girls become resentful and unable to get 210 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 4: married as well, in which it turns in two more sad. 211 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: Ghosts, right, because that's how it goes. 212 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 4: And of course, how does one keep from being haunted 213 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 4: by a bitter, unfulfilled virgin ghost. Well, according to the Wikipedia, 214 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 4: part of how to stop this ghost, all tradishes may 215 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 4: include taking quote dolls emphasizing the male genitalia which were 216 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 4: made of straw and put it in a coffin, or 217 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 4: dolls dressed in men's clothing, and then bury upside down 218 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 4: so you turn them so that they really can't come out. 219 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 4: Then thorns were placed around the coffin and buried. The 220 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 4: reason for putting a mal doll emphasizing the genitals in 221 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 4: a coffin or wearing men's clothes is to comfort them 222 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 4: for making contact with men even after they die, and 223 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 4: burying the coffins upside down is to block the virgin 224 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 4: ghost from coming out. 225 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: Thoroughly. This is thoroughly at the end. I don't know 226 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: why this is all the. 227 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 4: Quote from that, so they have a big plans on 228 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 4: how you do this, And of course yes, this is 229 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 4: also one of those cautionary tales of this is what 230 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 4: happens to unlucky women who can't give the husbands. And 231 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 4: you don't want to become this ghost, so you need 232 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: to go find your man so you your life will 233 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 4: be fulfilled. Of course, I don't think anyone clings to that. 234 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 4: And apparently there's towns and areas where they have ghost festivals. 235 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 4: Oh interesting in Korea, and you can visit these areas 236 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 4: as well. In some of these like rituals, I think 237 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 4: they do in order to keep the ghosts from coming 238 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 4: to them or at them. 239 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: So there you go, there you go. That's interesting. 240 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 3: I mean again, yeah, that those are fears we've talked 241 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: about of like you know, the single lady ending up alone, 242 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: the spinster, how dreadful, how sad? 243 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also find it interesting. 244 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 3: Like the male doll, the male genitalia, like very heteronormative. 245 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 4: Or oh absolutely again you're also supposed to have children. 246 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: Ah, yes, he's a great Yes. 247 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the legend of Madam Koi Koi, 248 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 3: the story of the ghost who haunts boarding schools that 249 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: is popular in Nigeria, South Africa and Ghana that originated 250 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: in the nineties. Okay, so there are yes, like you said, Samantha. 251 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 3: There are a few stories about Madame Koi Koi. One 252 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 3: of the most popular ones goes that Madame Koi Koi 253 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: was a beautiful teacher at a secondary boarding school, often 254 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: told as an all girls boarding school. Specifically, her shoes 255 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: of choice were these red heels that would make a 256 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: sound like Koi as she walked. Madame Koi Koi was 257 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 3: a cruel teacher, often abusing students for no reason. As 258 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: the story goes, the students despised her. Eventually, she was 259 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: fired after she slapped a female student and damaged her ear. 260 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: After this, Madame koy Coy left in a fury and 261 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: on her way home, died in an accident, but not 262 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 3: before she promised to get revenge on her ex students. 263 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: It didn't take long at all before students reported hearing 264 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: the core of her heels roaming the halls and toilets 265 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 3: at night. In another version of the tale, her own 266 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: students bound and gagged her as she was leaving one 267 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: day and beat her to death. The students involved were 268 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 3: picked off one by one until only one remained, who 269 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: swore he could hear the clicking of her heels. No 270 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: one believed him, and he was found dead soon after 271 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: the school closed and the other students transferred, spreading the 272 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: legend with them. And yes, it probably goes without saying, 273 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: but again this has never been verified with truth them 274 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: and almost certainly is firmly an urban legend and nothing more. 275 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 3: But still the urban legend persists is very popular. In 276 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: another version, students decide to play a prank on Madame 277 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: koy Koi and locked her in a cupboard, one red 278 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: heel falling off as she was dragged into this cupboard 279 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: where she was forgotten about and died. She was pregnant 280 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 3: at the time, and as she thought of her child dying, 281 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: she swore to get revenge on all the students who 282 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: locked her in the cupboard, that they would know what 283 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: it was like to be locked in the dark, dying and. 284 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: Screaming with no one to hear you. 285 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: In this version, you only hear the clicking of one 286 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 3: high heel. When you hear her, You're supposed to close 287 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: your eyes until the sound passes, or you will end 288 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 3: up in the cupboard next to her, locked in clawing 289 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: at the door with no one to hear you. Many 290 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: similar stories do exist, sometimes with different names. Madame Moke 291 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: and Ghana, Miss Concoco in Tanzania, Pinky Pinky in South Africa. 292 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: But all they all kind of involve a vengeful teacher 293 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 3: that serves to keep students in line from going out 294 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: past curfew. 295 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: Again, these kind of like morality tales and Ghana. 296 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: One story goes that she was a teacher at a 297 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: school with some troublesome students. One day, she took off 298 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: one of her heels while running after a student, waving 299 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: them in the air. 300 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: She chased him across the street. 301 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: She didn't see the car coming and it rammed into her, 302 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: killing her instantly, sending the red heel flying. The ghost 303 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: takes the form of a single red shoe, screaming where 304 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: is my shoe? To what you're supposed to respond, madam 305 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: hih and she'll leave you alone. These are the kinds 306 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: of things I would do, even if I didn't like 307 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: really believe it, I would still do it because I 308 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: don't want to take the risk exactly. 309 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 4: I mean, we take these cautionary tales and are like, okay, 310 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 4: so what is the solution? 311 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: Is there a solution? Okay? 312 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 2: Now we know. 313 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: Now I want to fight you exactly. 314 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: I need to be prepared and Meanwhile, South Africa's version 315 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: Pinky Pinky targets girls specifically, and specifically on top of that, 316 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: girls wearing pink underwears threatening to rape them. The creature, 317 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: often impartment, part woman, part animal, is invisible to boys, 318 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: only girls can see her. People have actually looked into 319 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 3: the origins of this one and why it impacts only girls, 320 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: and they suspected us to do with the disappearance of 321 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: girls in the area and the dangerous girl's face, and 322 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: or that the myth was created to keep girls inside 323 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 3: and off the streets. 324 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's Madam koy KOI. 325 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 3: If any of listeners know any versions of any of 326 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: these stories we're talking about, please write in yes, I. 327 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: Would love that. 328 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 4: Okay, So now since we've heard man, we've gone through 329 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 4: different countries already. I love it, and we're going to 330 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 4: hop over to the wonderful highlands and we're looking at 331 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 4: the legend of. 332 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: A very vampire sucubus. 333 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 4: I'm like, there are so many things this what a 334 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 4: wonderful combo. And to be honest, after reading some of these, 335 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 4: I'm like, if I were to be a scary like 336 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 4: legend or folklore, if I turned into one of these miraculously. 337 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 4: This is the one I think I choose. It pretty fantastic. 338 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, okay, okay, I can do this. So 339 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 4: let's get into this terrifyingly wonderful creature, the bovin sea 340 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 4: or the fairy woman in Scottish Gaelic, also known as 341 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 4: the bab and Chi or the white woman of the Highlands. 342 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 4: I guess so according to some is that she is 343 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: the woman in white for this and by the way, 344 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 4: we're gonna talk a little more about other women in 345 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 4: white and other cultures, but also she is seen in green. 346 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: And sometimes in these tales, so it kind of goes 347 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: different variations apparently. 348 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 4: But this is a type of white women who kind 349 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 4: of you know, prays on men essentially. But for these 350 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 4: beautiful creatures. They are described, yes, as beautiful enchantresses that 351 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 4: typically prey on hunters who either stray from the path 352 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 4: after dark or make the unfortunate wish of a female 353 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 4: companionship in the woods after dark. Yeah, huge mistake, dude, 354 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 4: don't do this. And due to the blood often on 355 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 4: the hunters after a kill, that attracts these specific fairy 356 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 4: vampires so many things. But unlike vampires, though they do 357 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 4: feed off the blood of the individual. They don't bite 358 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 4: into them. They actually have sharp talents that come out 359 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 4: that they rip into them essentially and drink and feed 360 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 4: from them in that way. And you will often not 361 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 4: see this until they are too close to you. Apparently 362 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 4: in some of the legends, they also have horse hoofs 363 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 4: or like some type of hoofs as feet, but is 364 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 4: often covered up by the dress, so you never see 365 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 4: it until it's too late, obviously, And they according to 366 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 4: some of the legends, they do feed off some women, 367 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 4: but it's very very rare. And when they do this 368 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 4: to the women, it actually turns the women into yes, 369 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 4: Bob and sea, so they create more having women. And 370 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 4: of course they don't just attack, Oh no, they are 371 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 4: true tetesses. And they entice the men by getting them 372 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 4: to dam with them and putting them under a sort 373 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 4: of trance. 374 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: So they have a power. 375 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 4: Like they're very good influencing men and enticing and seducing men. 376 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: And yeah, like I said, they. 377 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 4: Have a lot of powers, including as you talked about 378 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 4: shape shifting. Yes, they can turn into different shapes and 379 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: more often than not likely to shift into wolves, which 380 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 4: is even better. 381 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, there we are cool and. 382 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 4: Although according to legend, it does weaken them to be 383 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 4: in this type. 384 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: Of form because they would rather be fairies. 385 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 4: Apparently you can do trances and all of that wobbing 386 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 4: a fairy only, but it helps them to get away 387 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: and attack and change shapes obviously. And yet, and according 388 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 4: to some of the legends, they like to travel impacts. 389 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 4: They sleep underground in a coffin during the day and 390 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 4: some of them don't even come out except for once 391 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 4: a year and can only be found in the woods. 392 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: And the way to repel them. 393 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 4: Apparently they don't like iron, and I've learned this from 394 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 4: supernatural people. Apparently supernat creatures don't like either iron or silver. 395 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: I need to find both of those. 396 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 2: Salt also, salt. 397 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: Salt is the. 398 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 4: Thing, but I haven't seen that mentioned in any of these. Yeah, sorry, 399 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 4: sorry supernaturally. 400 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: That's true. It's true. 401 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 4: So yeah, I found these creatures really fascinating and the 402 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 4: artwork for them are really beautiful. 403 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those like, yep, there it is. 404 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 4: But yeah, so this is the very Sucubus vampire for 405 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 4: y'all to know if you go ever into Scotland hunting alone. 406 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure alone. I love it. I love it. 407 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 3: I'm glad to know that you have a preferred fairy 408 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 3: tale monster you'd like to turn into. 409 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: I mean, like, I feel like if I had to 410 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: choose one, that would be the one. I think it's pretty. 411 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: Good, it's pretty solid. Now let's hop over to another 412 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 3: part of the world and discuss La your Rona, the 413 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: weeping woman that often haunts rivers at night, who is 414 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 3: scared generations and has featured in books, TV shows, and 415 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: multiple movies. And yes, this is also a kind of 416 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 3: another take on the Woman in White, which we have. Yeah, 417 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: like you said, quite a few in here. The story 418 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 3: of La Eurona originated hundreds of years ago somewhere in 419 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: Latin America or Mexico, where that story is still popularly told. 420 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 3: Just as everything else we've discussed, there are a lot 421 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 3: of versions of this legend. At its cored involves a 422 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 3: mother who killed or are lost I guess her children, 423 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 3: but usually killed usually by drowning, and after that was 424 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 3: filled with heartbreak and regret over it, drowning herself in 425 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 3: grief literally not like just crying, but like actually drowning 426 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 3: herself or sometimes simply dying of grief. The reason she 427 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 3: did this varies killed her children from catching her rich 428 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: husband cheating and killing their children in a fit of ridge, 429 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 3: discovering her child when are illegitimate and killing them to 430 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 3: prevent the wife from taking them away, or even killing 431 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 3: them as a way to be with a man she loves, 432 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: but he rejects her, so she takes her own life. 433 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: After that, because of what she did, she is trapped 434 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: in purgatory until she finds her children. A lot of 435 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: the stories say she goes to the gates of heaven 436 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 3: and they're like, can't come in without the souls of 437 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: your children. Sorry, So she has to go look around 438 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: for the souls of her children, and she haunts the 439 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: earth searching for them, wailing, where are my children dressed 440 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 3: in a long white burial gown. 441 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: These days? 442 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 3: In popular legend, she kidnaps children who resemble her own 443 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: are those who disobey their parents, or I've personally heard 444 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 3: children whose parents she thinks don't deserve them right, which 445 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 3: is an interesting take on that idea. In some versions, 446 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 3: she attacks cheating men or lures drunk men into the water. 447 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 3: Her wail is sometimes believed to be a foreteller of 448 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 3: oh kind of like a banshee, and her story really 449 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 3: has captivated and terrified generations. You can find articles of 450 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 3: people writing like I heard this sermon as a kid, 451 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 3: and I still I'm afraid of it, like just really 452 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 3: sticking with people. Some trace her story back to the 453 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 3: Aztec goddess Coatlicue, and I'm sorry if I'm butchering that. 454 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: Who legend has it? 455 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 3: This goddess was heard weeping before the Spanish conquest, so 456 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 3: like crying for her children. Others claim she is actually 457 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 3: law your own as actually her name Cortez's interpreter and lover, 458 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 3: Lama Lynche. When the Astet capital fell, Cortes returned to 459 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 3: his first wife, abandoning Lama Lynche and the son they 460 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 3: had together. Interestingly, she's also considered the mother of modern Mexico, 461 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: while also a trader for. 462 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: Aiding the Spanish. Yeah. Yeah. 463 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: Some researchers have suggested this story and others like it 464 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 3: reflect patriarchal standards of blaming the woman and hear the 465 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 3: mother and the trope of the evil failed mother there 466 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 3: that it's a way to reinforce expectations around being this 467 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 3: perfect mother. We've talked about that a lot too. They 468 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 3: point out that she shares a lot of characteristics with 469 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 3: other urban legends and monsters some that were going to 470 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 3: talk about later. But yeah, that was really interesting because 471 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 3: it's been like legit research papers written on her and 472 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: what she represents and particularly what she represents in Mexico 473 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 3: with the history aspect. 474 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 2: So so a lot going on there, for sure. 475 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: Did you watch the movie? 476 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 3: I've seen both movies because as is we were talking 477 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 3: about this othern night. Yeah, as it's the case a 478 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 3: lot of times, two movies about the same thing kind 479 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: of come out around the similar time. So I've seen 480 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: kind of the more classic, mainstream the American horror movie, 481 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,239 Speaker 3: and then I saw one that was much more like 482 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: I believe it's a Spanish it's. 483 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: A foreign language film, and it was much more. 484 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 3: About like politics and a dictator and possible dementia and 485 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 3: or Alzheimer's like this is he hallucinating or is she real? 486 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: Old? 487 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 4: Dang, I need to go find that one, because yeah, 488 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 4: I like the movie a lot because it was fun 489 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 4: and then learning that tale. But yeah, there's definitely a 490 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 4: different variation again of the woman in white who wants 491 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 4: to punish some men. Sometimes I found this, Yeah, that 492 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 4: does seem to be a lot of the theme about 493 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 4: punishing men, also punishing women and punishing kids. 494 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 3: There's just a lot of punishment punishing. 495 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 4: So now we're going back up at East and we 496 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 4: were talking about the legendary honuckle Son, which is the 497 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 4: young girl who haunts the girl's bathroom at the school, 498 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 4: and of course brought memories of Harry Potter as yes, 499 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 4: mourning Myrtle who likes to stay in the girl's bathroom 500 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 4: and she's very helpful. Of course we don't have any uh, 501 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 4: Harry Potter Wizarding World in her knuckles Son's till. 502 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: But yes, it did bring me to that. But she, 503 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: of course was before Harry Potter does. 504 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 4: And how did this young girl who they see become 505 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 4: a ghost? Well, according to different legends, we have a 506 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 4: version which talks about the young girl an uncle San, 507 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 4: being killed while playing hide and seek and it was 508 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 4: at this time that the air raid happened in Japan 509 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 4: during World War two and she was caught in that 510 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: blast and tragically killed at that point and then came 511 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 4: back as a ghost. Then there's another version which is 512 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 4: kind of like how we were talking about with Laurona 513 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 4: and a lot of other tales about her actually being 514 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 4: murdered tragically by either a parent or sometimes tells talk 515 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 4: about a stranger who murders her. And then there is 516 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 4: the possibility that she was abused and sad and so 517 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 4: she died by suicide. So I think you tell the 518 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 4: tale based on which one scares you the most, and 519 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 4: you go into depth. 520 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: I think the most tragic is the World War two thing. 521 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, that makes me really sad because it 522 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 4: could be too real. It happened and all that, and 523 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 4: of course that's one of the best parts of this tale, 524 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 4: much like candy Man, because we were talking about the 525 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 4: new release of Candy Man and how it scared the 526 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 4: hell out of me when it was first released when 527 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 4: I was younger and I watched the younger I still 528 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 4: have nightmares about that one. And then of course it's 529 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 4: a type of the bloody merry tale, but that you 530 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 4: can actually summon a Knako son if you want to. 531 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: Don't do it. I feel like that's just always just 532 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: don't do it. I don't know why you would do it. 533 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 4: Don't I'm about to give you instructions on how to 534 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 4: do this, but don't love that there and how does 535 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 4: one summon such a sad and typically evil spirit. Well, 536 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 4: you enter the girl's bathroom at a school, best on 537 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 4: the third floor. Apparently the number three is very very 538 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 4: key here, Best on the third floor. Go to the 539 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: third stall of the bathroom and you knock three times 540 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 4: and ask a knuckle sun, are you there. I'm not 541 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 4: doing this, And if she responds with yes, I am here, 542 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 4: or something along those lines, with a very eerie voice, apparently, 543 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 4: then you may see a ghostly hand or a bloody 544 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: hand appear under the stall, coming towards you. And that's 545 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 4: only if you're lucky, that's all you see. But she 546 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 4: also may appear, and you will see her apparently a 547 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 4: red skirt. Red is a big thing here, Yeah, and 548 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: maybe sometimes with burn marks. They say that, and she 549 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: will pull you through the toilet into hell. So she's 550 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 4: going to drag you into hell through the toilet. There's 551 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,239 Speaker 4: so many things so that that's just nightmarish. I think 552 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 4: once talking about like a squatty potty and all of that, 553 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 4: and she'll just come and grab you from underneath that. 554 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 4: There's a left four things that I'm afraid it's going 555 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 4: to crawl up from a squaty potty in general, so 556 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, or she may have her 557 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 4: three headed lizard come and devour you, so that is, 558 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 4: and you may not see her at all. All you 559 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 4: see when you open the door is a three headed 560 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 4: lizard that is used to kill you and eat you. 561 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 4: And there are a few that believe it is possible 562 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 4: that you will not be eaten or you will not 563 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 4: be dragged to hell if you present her with your 564 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 4: perfect grades showing that you are a great student, I guess, 565 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 4: or some versions say a perfect exam score, so maybe 566 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 4: you have a test on hand, So don't go into 567 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 4: the bathroom unless you have a perfect score. Doing this okay, 568 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 4: which again makes it seem like this is an academic 569 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 4: influenced cautionary tale of like, you better have good grades. 570 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: Or her knuckle Sun's gonna come and get you. 571 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: Yum. 572 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: But either way, don't do it. Don't don't summon evil things. 573 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: That's not to tempt them. That's my advice. 574 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 4: And she has made her rounds and uh, that's different 575 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 4: animes and mangas and movies as well. 576 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: As I just wore it up. 577 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just pulled up a trailer for one very 578 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 4: fun So yeah, she is definitely famous. 579 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: Don't tempt her, Okay. 580 00:30:59,400 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: I love it. 581 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 3: I did just have a discussion about this other day 582 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 3: before we watch Candy Man. I was like, it's not 583 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 3: I don't believe it. I'm just not going to do 584 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 3: it right, try to tempt this. 585 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: I did do Bloody Mare, and I think we're going 586 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: to talk about that later. 587 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: But yeah, I did go down a rabbit hole after 588 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 3: this year's years years ago, after the whole Eliza Lamp thing, 589 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 3: which I'm not going to go into, but some of 590 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 3: you probably know what I'm talking about. And one of 591 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: the theories for the whole thing was there's this thing 592 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 3: called the Elevator game, which is kind of like this, 593 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 3: like you get to the fifth floor and then you 594 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: press all these buttons and then you don't turn around, 595 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 3: and then you'll never know if your world is real 596 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 3: or not. 597 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 2: For some reason, it really. 598 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 3: Freaked me out, and then I started instead of stopping there, 599 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 3: I was looking at all these other games you can 600 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 3: do to like summon things. 601 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: Right, boards, let's stay away from those times. 602 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 3: I went through a big og board period and then 603 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 3: it scared me and I've not used it since. 604 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: Just saying don't tempt them. Wait, so we were talking 605 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: about the games. Did you do any of those games? 606 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: Can you tell? 607 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: Like, as a kid, I did Bloody Mary. 608 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: I definitely tried Bloody Mary several times. 609 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: Did you do the light as a feather stuff as 610 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: a board one? 611 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 2: I never did that, did you? 612 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? It worked too. It was freaky. I was like, 613 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, we all ran. 614 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 4: I mean, of course there was ten of us with 615 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 4: two fingers up, so I feel like, plausibly we could 616 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 4: do this. 617 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: But it felt really weird. 618 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it does. It looks weird to me, 619 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 3: and I find it like it makes sense. I've read 620 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 3: the articles about why it works, and I believe them, 621 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 3: but it just looks weird. 622 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 4: Right, And as children, when you hear these things and 623 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 4: you it works, not cool? 624 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: Man? 625 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 3: Yeah I did the It's like you crack an egg. 626 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 3: It's not a real egg, but it's like a thing 627 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: that you do somebody your back. You crack the egg 628 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 3: and then you see and it's supposed to foretell how 629 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: you die, and minus like apparently from a great height. 630 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 3: I'm like, I think this is because you pushed me. 631 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 4: Whoa there, I'd never heard that part. I knew the 632 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 4: crack an egg and do this. That was just the 633 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 4: sensation that I didn't know. You're supposed to see your death. 634 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, they shove you and you're supposed to see. 635 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 4: Oh you shove you what hopefully this is real? 636 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: No, they crack an egg, They like do a knife 637 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 3: in your back, not a real knife. 638 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: Again. People who have no idea what we're. 639 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,959 Speaker 3: Talking about are like, what, this is just some like 640 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 3: game that you played. Somebody was giving you these sensations 641 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 3: and feelings on your back and they would say this 642 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: like creepy poem while they did it. When I played it, 643 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 3: they would shove you at the end, and you were 644 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 3: supposed to just see like a color, and the color 645 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 3: you could interpret to mean what your death would be. 646 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: And I saw something that either meant like water or 647 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 3: fall from a great height. But I again, I think 648 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 3: because you shoved me, that's probably. 649 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 4: Why that makes sense. 650 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, it's moving on, Yes. 651 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 2: Moving on. 652 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 3: Yes, well, we'll have more discussion like this in part two. 653 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 3: But in the meantime, listeners, if you have urban legends 654 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 3: from your area, oh yeah, oh please please let us know. 655 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 3: You can email us a stuffda mom stuff at iHeartMedia 656 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 3: dot com. 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