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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by my longtime co hosts Dan

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Speaker 2: Johnson and Tony Peterson to discuss our twenty twenty four goals,

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Speaker 2: hopes and hitlists. All right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 2: Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light and their

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Speaker 2: Camel for Conservation initiative in the brand new White Tail

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Speaker 2: line that just came out this summer.

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Speaker 3: All sorts of exciting stuff on that front.

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Speaker 2: But we are excited to be here today because if

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Speaker 2: you're listening to this when it drops, it is the

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Speaker 2: end of August, which means hunting season is basically here.

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Speaker 2: The three of us here on the show today have

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Speaker 2: hunts kicking off relatively soon. We're excited and we are

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Speaker 2: here to do our annual goals, hopes and hit lists show.

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Speaker 2: So joining me is mister Daniel Johnson and Tony Peterson,

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Speaker 2: my two longtime partners in crime brothers from another mother

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Speaker 2: bad influences on me. They've brought me down for years,

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Speaker 2: still doing it today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me. Guys.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Well, if we were brothers from another mother, you

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Speaker 4: would have been an accident because we're so much older

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Speaker 4: than you, so you were you would have been an

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Speaker 4: unplanned pregnancy.

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Speaker 2: Well that explains a lot, I would say, and we.

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Speaker 5: Can all agree that Mark was probably an accident in right.

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Speaker 2: And also, how are you in any way surprised by

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Speaker 2: me saying that you guys have been bringing me down?

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Speaker 3: Like, how can you act shocked by that?

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Speaker 5: Listen? Mark, I don't know if the listeners know this

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Speaker 5: or not, but you have altered the course of my

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Speaker 5: life since April with that deer poop video that we made.

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Speaker 5: And I'm at first they were all going after you,

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Speaker 5: and I was like, this is perfect. I'll just lay

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Speaker 5: a low. And now I have people coming out of

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Speaker 5: the woodwork and they're like, I saw this video you

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Speaker 5: guys eating deer poop, and I'm like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I had someone the other day come up and say, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: my brother told me about this video and he asked

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Speaker 2: me if you were actually eating deer poop or not.

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Speaker 3: You weren't really eating deer poop?

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Speaker 5: Were it?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, man, how do so many people not get

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Speaker 5: My father in law does not even have an email.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's where he's at in life. And I

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Speaker 5: sat next to him at one of my daughter's softball

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Speaker 5: games the other night, and he's like, Hey, this guy

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Speaker 5: that I used to work with sent me a text

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Speaker 5: and said he saw a video of you eating deer poop.

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Speaker 5: And it's like, how do you explain that to a

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Speaker 2: But I was like, ah, yeah, So.

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Speaker 4: Basically what we're getting at here is I'm the only

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Speaker 4: one on this episode that has not had deer poop

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Speaker 5: Hey, Dan, don't kink shame us. It's twenty twenty four, buddy. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't call this kink shaman. Buddy.

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Speaker 2: Can you can do whatever you want now, buddy? In

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Speaker 2: Mark's case, I would anyways, to be clear with anyone

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Speaker 2: who's listening who did not see this video, we did

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Speaker 2: not really eat deer poop. We opened a video pretending

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Speaker 2: to eat deer poop. It was just chocolate covered raisins.

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Speaker 2: I told a funny story about how I've been I've

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Speaker 2: at the end of the video. But I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of people just saw the social clip or they

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Speaker 2: see the very end. So we may now tony and

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Speaker 2: not be known in the history books as the hosts

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Speaker 2: of a pretty decent hunting podcast or being half decent writers,

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Speaker 2: or or doing some films. We're just gonna be those

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Speaker 2: guys that ate the deer ship.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's what I've been telling everybody career defining moment, Marcus. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: who to throw away video that we did for fun. Now,

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Speaker 5: that's who we are. That is who we are. Mark,

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Speaker 5: You're like the male version of that hawk to a girl.

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Speaker 2: Now, So I don't even I don't this is this

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Speaker 5: All right, well we probably shouldn't talk about it. Then,

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Speaker 5: Well here's what it is, idiot. No, I'm just.

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Speaker 2: I've seen people like say those words, but I've not

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Speaker 3: So all right, we'll do that. I'll trust you on that.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys, where's your temperature, Dann, we talked about

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Speaker 2: feeling excited? Is this like full amped up? Are you

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Speaker 5: Kick it off? Tony? Didn't I thought Mark? Didn't you

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Speaker 5: just asked Dan that question?

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Speaker 2: No, I said me and Dan. Me and Dan talked

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Speaker 2: So I'm curious about where you're at today, Tony. Where

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Not very warm, buddy? Uh might it might change after

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Speaker 5: But I don't know what happened. All the bucks I

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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't get that vibe. But maybe there's

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Speaker 3: Okay, four for you Dan, what about you?

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Speaker 4: Well, the second that my kids stepped on the school

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Speaker 4: I can go organize my garage, get my gear ready,

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Speaker 4: and I guess, start putting the pieces of the puzzle together,

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Speaker 4: and temperature is rising. I'm not going to give it

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Speaker 2: Nice, I'm gonna I'm gonna say that. I guess I'm

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Speaker 3: Did you plan for this?

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Speaker 2: Do you have that thing packed? Do you even know

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Speaker 2: So I'm trying to get excited, but mostly just panicked

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I dude, if I were you, I would be

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Speaker 5: panicked too, because that's a I would not be comfortable

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Speaker 5: that's all you're doing? Right?

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right? I think it was just a phone

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Speaker 5: uh huh. But well we'll we'll we'll get to my

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Speaker 5: something to look forward to hearing about So, Dan, yes,

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Speaker 5: to give us a rundown of the Daniel Johnson hunt

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Speaker 5: schedule this year? Okay, it's real simple.

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Speaker 4: This year is October first first trip South Dakota looking

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Speaker 5: This met this dude online, and I'm.

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Speaker 3: As all good stories start.

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Speaker 4: Actually, he reached out to me via Instagram and he's like, hey, man,

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Speaker 4: my crew that I go with doesn't want to go

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Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: And hold on, hold on, before we go any further.

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Speaker 3: How do you.

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Speaker 2: Not fact check but like creep check this dude, Like,

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Speaker 2: how do you know you're not getting to a situation

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Speaker 2: We're gonna come home married to a new person.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I go to the uh sex offender's website and

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Speaker 4: basically check his address and see if he like, if

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Speaker 4: he lives there, and that's pretty much my only check.

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Speaker 3: That's it. He clears that bar. We're up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, he clears that bar. We're good to go,

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Speaker 4: and then it just pulled, I'll get in a car

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Speaker 4: with a stranger. I don't care, Okay, I mean, especially

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Speaker 4: if you promised me good dear honey.

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Speaker 5: Mark. Doesn't this feel like this is going to show

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Speaker 5: up on a dateline episode?

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure? This is how those documentaries start.

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Speaker 4: Dan, Yeah, as long as Keith Morrison is the narrator,

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Speaker 4: I'm all good, dude.

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Speaker 3: Be a hell of a way to go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what if I'm I'm and maybe because I'm

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Speaker 2: like socially, I'm more just paranoid about getting the weird situations.

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Speaker 4: One thing that I've found out, especially in those scenarios,

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Speaker 4: And I just set the expectation like, hey, dude, I'm

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Speaker 2: We had How lucky is Dan that he didn't have

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Speaker 5: Dude, I'd have like thirty kids.

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Speaker 3: And some other stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I just want you to keep going, buddy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, keep going.

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Speaker 4: For Mark and I these social clips that are just

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Speaker 5: Balance it out.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if we're driving together yet or if

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Speaker 5: Jesus, Tony, dude, can you can you shut his video off? No,

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Speaker 5: I'm just buddy, yeah, man, Hey, So, but sirius.

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Speaker 4: But on a serious note, like I am really looking

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Speaker 3: Tell me this Dan?

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Is there any big learning you've taken from these? How

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Speaker 4: Hm?

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Speaker 2: So what's the big like aha thing you're bringing to

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Speaker 4: You know, I got over twenty years in a tree

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Speaker 5: Mule deer hunting every year.

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Speaker 4: Spot something. I've started to learn that you can't just

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Speaker 5: Just like I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It's it's crazy out there, and so I'm learning, like

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Speaker 5: Are you dann what's your like, what's the smallest deer, like,

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Speaker 4: Any anything, any any legal deer out there. I'm putting

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Speaker 5: Having hunted out there, hunt like I've spotted in stock

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Speaker 4: And I've tried that, honestly, I have. So I don't

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Speaker 4: October, no doze, and the big, mature, old, large antler,

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Speaker 5: Right? And they're in it?

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Speaker 4: There are so everybody says, mule deer dumb, but they

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Speaker 2: Have you ever thought that maybe like this style of

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Speaker 5: Next question, I think you're made. I think you're made

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Speaker 4: Some Yeah, yeah someday. Like I've been close, dude, I've

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Speaker 5: I'm in. I'm in, I'm in, I'm in. I'm in toast.

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Speaker 5: How about this fellow you met on Tinder or whatever?

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Speaker 5: Has he killed in me? Yes?

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Speaker 2: He has, Tony He's yeah, he's I think it's grinder. Anyways, anyways,

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Speaker 5: Dan.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be great for you culturally

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Speaker 4: I think event it's really just going to be like

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Speaker 4: will it as well? Or you know, pictures through a

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Speaker 5: In all seriousness, my olk hunting partner is a phenomenal

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Speaker 4: Had yeah, and and yes, I like, I get up,

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Speaker 4: and I do that all day long.

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Speaker 4: Here's another issue that I've run into with spot and stock,

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00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 4: and this is something that I am still really green at,

438
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 4: is first and second beds, right with Neil Deer. I

439
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 4: don't know how familiar you guys are with this, but

440
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 4: I've been doing a little reading on this and like

441
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 4: researching and listening to guys out there like Marlon Holden.

442
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 4: Do you guys know who he is. He's a dude.

443
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 4: He's just a straight mual deer slayer, Okay. And so

444
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 4: he talks about first and second beds a lot, and

445
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 4: you'll see, like, Okay, he comes, they come out, they

446
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 4: bed down, it's like eight nine in the morning. You

447
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: go to make a stock on them, but when you

448
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 4: get into rains, they're not even there anymore because the

449
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 4: sun hit them. They moved up for their for the

450
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 4: second bed of the day into a place where now

451
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 4: it's going to be a little more shady all day.

452
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 4: And so I've ran into that issue a lot, and

453
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 4: so you start to read up on some of this stuff,

454
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 4: like these mule deer guys won't even stock them on

455
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 4: their first bed, they'll wait till they stand up and

456
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 4: go to a second bed, and then they're they're there

457
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 4: for six hours or whatever the case may be. So

458
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 4: it's it's just a learning process, that is all it is.

459
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 4: It's just a hard one for me at this point.

460
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Speaker 2: Uh what about Iowa. Well, you've got more than you've

461
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: got two white tail trips, right.

462
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 5: Right, right?

463
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 4: I got Iowa this year, and I'm really starting to

464
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 4: get frustrated with this property, that this new property where

465
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 4: I've killed the deer the last what two years now,

466
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 4: and so now there's I went and put my cameras out.

467
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 4: Deer there, great deer. They're ghost town just kind of

468
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: like what Tony was saying, it's ghost town now, just

469
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 4: a couple of doze. And then the dog issue again, right,

470
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 4: neighboring dogs, And like, I'm starting to get extremely frustrated

471
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: with this I got. When I go down to this farm,

472
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 4: I'm driving three hours to get there. Two yeah, two

473
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 4: forty five, three hours to get there. You go hunt

474
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 4: and then some dogs run through blow it out. And

475
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 4: I don't care what people say about dogs as far

476
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 4: as long term effect on the landscape, but short term,

477
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 4: if I'm in a tree stand and dogs run through.

478
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 4: They they scare the deer away, and that ruins that

479
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 4: particular hunt. Now I gotta do something because I called

480
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 4: the sheriff, I called the conservation off Sir. I've been

481
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: in touch with the landowner. It's just not nothing's changing.

482
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 4: So I think, what that what I'm gonna take. I

483
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 4: don't know if you guys saw what Bomar did or

484
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 4: said on one of his podcasts. Yeah, but just chill tony.

485
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 5: Uh.

486
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna put him in my truck and I'm

487
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: gonna drive him back to my hometown and I'm gonna

488
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 4: put him in the pound. And so they have to

489
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 4: drive three hours to come get that dog, you know

490
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 4: what I mean. So I don't I gotta do something.

491
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: I can't kill him because they're collared, and so I've

492
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 4: done my due diligence. Now it's time to take some action.

493
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 5: So what's the Hey, Mark, just quick, We've gone very

494
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 5: quickly from worried about worrying about Dan getting kidnapped to

495
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 5: Dan getting in trouble for dog mapping. Yes, this is uh.

496
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that we opened with Dan.

497
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too. Yeah.

498
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: Uh, So what's the plan for catching a dog in

499
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: this situation are you are you bringing treats?

500
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: Do you have some way to do you bring cage

501
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 3: for the back of your truck or is he gonna

502
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: sit in the front seat with you? Rode shotgun.

503
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 4: So when I went what not last year, but the

504
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 4: year before, I believe it was. You know, it took

505
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 4: me a while to find that that deer, right, it

506
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 4: took me a day to find that deer. The when

507
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 4: I was out grid searching, that dog was there. German

508
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 4: shepherd was there, and I was like, come here, boy,

509
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 4: you know, and he seemed friendly, and so I was like,

510
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 4: get out of here, get out of here. This year,

511
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 4: if I see him, I'm just gonna coax him and

512
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 4: just be like, come here, take a leash time to

513
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: a tree up at the farmhouse. And then when I leave,

514
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 4: I'm taking him with me.

515
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 2: So, okay, I just want to make this very clear.

516
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: Number One, I am supportive of any and all No, no,

517
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 2: not supportive. I am accepting of any and all choices

518
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: you make with your life, Dan, But I also do

519
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 2: not condone criminals kidnapping dogs.

520
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: Just so we're clear, is it kidnapping?

521
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 5: Is it kidnapping? Though, like I have.

522
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 4: I have been in contact with every single person that

523
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 4: I need to be in contact with. Right, those dogs

524
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 4: are on a property that they should not be in right,

525
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: And although I'm not the landowner, I have I have

526
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: responsibilities to that property through the landowner. And so, like,

527
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do. So let me ask

528
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 4: you a question. Same thing happens to you, and you're

529
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 4: driving to another state, to another county, and these dogs

530
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 4: are ruining every single hunt and all the hard work

531
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 4: that you've done, and and nothing is done about it,

532
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 4: and you can't do anything about it. In Iowa, they

533
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 4: have a law that says if this dog does not

534
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 4: have a collar on it and it is a nuisance,

535
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 4: you can shoot it. But both of these dogs have

536
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 4: collars on them, so I can't shoot these dogs, but

537
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 4: they are a nuisance, And so I don't know what

538
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 4: the next step is. I mean, I've done my due diligence.

539
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: I've communicated to these people that this is causing me problems,

540
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 4: and nobody cares about it. Nobody's doing anything about the landowner.

541
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 4: The dogs are still running on these properties for the

542
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: past three years now, and I'm done with it, and

543
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna I'm gonna take them, and I'm gonna

544
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: go put them in a pound somewhere.

545
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 5: I think that catching a stray random German shepherd is

546
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 5: going to be a great way for you to have

547
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 5: the eight fingers chronicles here pretty soon.

548
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 4: They're not stray though. They belong to a neighboring farm.

549
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 5: Yes.

550
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: Have you talk to those people? Yes, own the dogs.

551
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 5: Yes. So Dan Weirdly, one of my buddies who lives

552
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 5: down in Iowa. He has a lease down there, and

553
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 5: the last two years he's had the same problem, two

554
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 5: dogs running through their blowing deer out constantly. He called

555
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 5: Sheriff CEO the whole thing, and I think the sheriff

556
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 5: came in with traps to get those dogs. I think

557
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 5: that how it ended up going might have been the

558
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 5: conservation officer, but he had the same problem and it

559
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 5: was all season long. You know, those dogs are on

560
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 5: trail camera, those deer we're not on trail camera anymore.

561
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 5: Blew it out. It's a really bad deal, honestly, I

562
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 5: just look at it.

563
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: From the conservation or the sheriff's time, like, right, so

564
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: in Iowa, there's like one conservation officer for every two counties, right,

565
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 4: So in the butt, like, Okay, hey, I need you

566
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 4: to take time out of stopping poachers and trespassers and

567
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 4: all this stuff to take care of a couple of dogs.

568
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: It's probably really low on their priority list and it's

569
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: not going to get any attention however. And you know,

570
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: I don't make my money. I mean I make my

571
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: money somewhat in this space, right. I don't film my hunts,

572
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: so it's not like I'm losing out on any content

573
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 4: per se, but it pisses me off. I'm trying to

574
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 4: do the right thing and now it's time to take

575
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: action period.

576
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: One way or another. There will be good stories coming

577
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: out of this, so I'm appreciative for that.

578
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll fight a dog if I have to, I'll

579
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 5: bite one. I'll bite a dog, Mark, I wouldn't put

580
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 5: it past you. So that's Iowa.

581
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 4: On my main farm, I don't have any I don't

582
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: have any trail cameras out yet. I'm way behind on

583
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 4: that farm. I think I told you about that last

584
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 4: year where I had a ton of really good deer

585
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 4: show up last year, and I think it's because actually

586
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: they introduced cattle into these back pastures now that had

587
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: been dormant for so many years, and the deer are

588
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: now having to skirt around the pastures.

589
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 5: They're not in the.

590
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 4: Pastures, they're not crossing through the pastures. They're skirting it,

591
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: which is where I hunt, and a lot more deer activity.

592
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 4: So I'm really looking forward to getting some cameras out

593
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: there and seeing what's going on there.

594
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: Is there on either one of the properties.

595
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: Is there a buck that you're hoping is going to

596
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: be back or that you know of that you're extra

597
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: excited about it, deer like that, anything in particular.

598
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, So on the farm with the dogs, there's three

599
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 4: deer that I've already identified as shooters four years older

600
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: or older. They're all about that one forty five or

601
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: higher type frame.

602
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 5: My main farm this year.

603
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: Last year had a stud clean ten and he he

604
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: was like one sixty plus last year. This year we're

605
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: looking at you know, I don't have I don't have

606
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: any knowledge of what's on that farm right now, so

607
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 4: I'm guessing he makes a jump, he'll be booner status

608
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: clean ten. There's a couple other deer that their body

609
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: is going to get them killed. They are like a

610
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 4: one thirty class eight pointer, but they're they're that two

611
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 4: fifty two seventy five body size, and so giant bodies

612
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 4: just like bodybuilder type bucks. And and i'd shoot one

613
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: of one of them as well. So as far as

614
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 4: deer bucks are concerned, it's not like it used to be.

615
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 4: But there are really good dear that I would shoot

616
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 4: nice yep, Kansas, Kansas, I mean, just e scouting. At

617
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 4: this point, I'll be calling my uncle who lives down

618
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: there here in a little bit. He has access to

619
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: like a couple thousand acres down in Kansas, but thousands

620
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 4: of acres in Kansas and thousands of acres in Iowa

621
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: are mean something completely different. So he lives in cattle

622
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 4: pasture ground you know, you know, crick systems is where

623
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: really all the trees are at. So I might have

624
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 4: access to one of the farms that he hunts on.

625
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: It's still debatable because he shares that with another guy.

626
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: And so I don't necessarily want to just say, hey,

627
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 4: I'm your nephew, I'm gonna come, I'm want to come

628
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 4: hunt your property. I just want him to have a

629
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: conversation with his buddy and see if it's cool if

630
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 4: I come there. I mean, I'm sure, there's gonna be

631
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: expectations of what I can and cannot shoot, Like I

632
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 4: probably won't be able to shoot extremely young, up and

633
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 4: comer deer. But if depending on how if I get

634
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 4: access and this guy's cool with me going there, there's

635
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 4: places I can go, there's places I can't go. And

636
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 4: if that falls through, I've scouted walk in Cora engineer

637
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 4: ground and I'm gonna start bouncing around through all those

638
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: places that I've scouted.

639
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: Nice, simple, just that easy, Just that easy.

640
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: So you know, outside of you getting some restrictions placed

641
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: on you by your uncle or other hunter, what do

642
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: you think your goals are going to be for that trip?

643
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: Otherwise?

644
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 4: I mean I'd like to run into a one of

645
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 4: some caliber. Like with any out of state hunt that

646
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 4: I take, I can't compare it to what I have here, right,

647
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 4: And so I have some really good ground here in Iowa.

648
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 4: I understand that, and that dude, I'm not opposed to

649
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: shooting a three year old who walks by. I'm down

650
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 4: for the experience at this point, and I want I

651
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 4: want a good deer with a good story and a

652
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 4: good experience, and that might be a one twenty class

653
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 4: who walks through on the first morning, or that could

654
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 4: be an accidental, accidental booner, you know what I mean,

655
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 4: just anything that comes within shooting range. I don't I

656
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 4: don't ever really say to myself, here are especially on

657
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 4: out of state, here are my goals. I'm gonna only

658
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 4: live up to this one thing.

659
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 5: It is. It is really hunt by hunt morning, hunt afternoon, hunt?

660
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 5: Am I tired?

661
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 4: Am I hungry? Like all these things come into play,

662
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 4: and if it comes by and I'm in the mood

663
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 4: to kill, I'm gonna kill.

664
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: Like the infamous White Knuckle Productions video where you said

665
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: that fuck made me say, oh.

666
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 5: So I shot him? Yep, sure did, Yeah, sure it did.

667
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: Uh well, that's exciting, and that'll be like I'm looking specially,

668
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: it sounds like your uncle's stuff, like much more open country.

669
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: It sounds like, yeah, why pretty cool, wide open.

670
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 4: And I don't necessarily want to bait per se, but

671
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: if things get hairy out there or I'm struggling, bait

672
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 4: baiting might be in the cards because it's legal in Kansas,

673
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 4: So I'm not I don't know, I've never done it before,

674
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 4: but it's it's it's a it's a what I would

675
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 4: throw as like a hell Mary type of deal.

676
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of bait ah tony or are you baiting

677
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: bears this year?

678
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 5: I am yeah.

679
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: What's uh, what's your year look like?

680
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: Man?

681
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 5: I uh, I'm gonna spend September trying really hard to

682
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 5: get the girls on some deer and a bear. Obviously,

683
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 5: I am gonna I am gonna for the first time

684
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 5: in a couple of years get a chance to hunt

685
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 5: for myself in Minnesota on Opening Week, So I'm kind

686
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 5: of excited for that. And I don't know, you know,

687
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 5: I kind of mentioned earlier that my trail cameras have

688
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 5: been I don't I don't have a lot of trail

689
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 5: cameras out right now, but my bucks disappeared. But randomly

690
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 5: this year, I've had big deer, like big deer on

691
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 5: most properties I'm hunting, and so it's kind of cool.

692
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 5: Like I sent you that picture mark of that one

693
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 5: in Wisconsin and that year, I have a November plan

694
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 5: for that deer and I'm going to ride out some

695
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 5: time for him because he's you know, like Dan talked

696
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 5: about those two hundred and seventy five pounders that year,

697
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 5: looks like right now he would dress over two hundred

698
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 5: no problem, you know. But really I'm going to try

699
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 5: to get the girls on some deer, maybe try to

700
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 5: get myself on one. And you know, Minnesota this year,

701
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 5: our gun season doesn't open till like November ninth, which

702
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 5: is really late for us. So if I can wrap

703
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 5: up my eye with situation, I still have some time

704
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 5: to during the rut. So I'm kind of just I

705
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 5: don't know, I'm kind of just playing it cool in Minnesota.

706
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 5: In Wisconsin, I'm not like really gung ho to get

707
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 5: out there for myself yet, you know, like I really

708
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 5: want to get the girls on something. But I do

709
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 5: have mid October North Dakota hunt. It's just going to

710
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 5: be fun. I'm going to go head over onto the

711
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 5: western side of the state, try to glass one up

712
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 5: and kill one on a river bottom. And then I

713
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 5: drew Iowa and I'm going to go down and try

714
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 5: to kill a big one on public land. And I

715
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 5: have a have a plan for that one, to try

716
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 5: to decoy one, because I think I have a few

717
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 5: spots where if I sit out all day with a

718
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 5: dough decoy out, I think I can make it happen.

719
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 5: And that one as me real excited.

720
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: Now you're taking in one of the full with the

721
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: full big body do decoys that you used last year

722
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: from Dave Smith. How are you going to get that

723
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: deep into public land? He's going to strap that to

724
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: your back. I don't know yet do all it in

725
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: because it's not really a portable decoy.

726
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 5: Right. The spot that I'm hoping to use it the

727
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 5: most is not that far of a walk. It's just

728
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 5: not that fun of a walk, and so I think

729
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 5: it'll just be I think what I'll have to do

730
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 5: is go in in the daylight, you know, maybe a

731
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 5: midday deal first, get it up there, set it up,

732
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 5: and then just dash it under my tree or something

733
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 5: or I don't know. I don't know yet how I'm

734
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 5: going to play that. But that is like a real concern,

735
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 5: right because especially you know, you're going in for an

736
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 5: all day sit and carrying everything that you need and

737
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 5: then you got to carry that sucker in. But I

738
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 5: think it'll be worth it, and so I'm gonna have

739
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 5: to figure it out. I'm gonna have to the Last

740
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 5: time I was down there this spot I'm thinking about,

741
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 5: I kind of mapped out a route to get up

742
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 5: there that wasn't like terrible, and so I you know,

743
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 5: it's easy to think about when you're sitting in your

744
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 5: office and not trying to sneak through the woods with

745
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 5: a full body decoy. But I'm going to figure it

746
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 5: out because I just think it's going to be so

747
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 5: fun and I think it'll work. I'm sorry, Mark, how

748
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 5: much success have you had decoying in the past. Not

749
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 5: very much. But last season we used this decoy twice

750
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 5: in a row and killed two bucks with it. My

751
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 5: daughter killed one and I killed one, and it was

752
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 5: like a magnet. And so November, yeah, so I'm heading

753
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 5: down to Iowa probably like October twenty sixth, twenty seventh,

754
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 5: somewhere around there, so i'll be you know, like maybe

755
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 5: a little bit early, but I think, I don't know,

756
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 5: I think it'll work, and it just, you know, seeing

757
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 5: how that decoy worked last year kind of changed how

758
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 5: I view this because I always looked at decoys like

759
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 5: they really weren't much of an option for me, Like

760
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 5: it wasn't something that I was going to build into

761
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 5: a plan in any meaningful way. But last year I

762
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 5: was like, we just got to try this, and I

763
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 5: think it'll work. And it worked so well, and I

764
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 5: tried it again and it worked exactly the same way,

765
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 5: and it kind of opened my eyes. This year, I'm

766
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: thinking more not only about Iowa, but if I do

767
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 5: rut hunt Minnesota, I have some spots where I'm like,

768
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 5: I think I can go ride it out all day,

769
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 5: put out that decoy and have a chance there too.

770
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 5: So it's it's going to be a bigger part of

771
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 5: my season. I don't know if it'll work out or not,

772
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 5: but I'm definitely going to try.

773
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: So we talked about this a little bit last season,

774
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: but just you know, for folks that are new or

775
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: to this, you know, the popular thing is to use

776
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: a buck decoy, but you are using a dough decoy.

777
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: How how are you using it in this situation? And

778
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: why do you think the dough is going to help

779
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: you more than the traditional buck option.

780
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 5: Well, the original reason that I asked for the dough is,

781
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 5: you know, like where I'm hunting in northern Wisconsin, there's

782
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 5: only like eight deer per county, right, So I'm like,

783
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 5: if I put out that Dave Smith buck that's bigger

784
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 5: than any deer that's probably going to come in, and

785
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 5: any dough that sees it is not going to be

786
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 5: happy with it. And so I'm like, I'm going to

787
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 5: try this little dough uh. You know it's I mean,

788
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 5: I kind of look at it as a difference of

789
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 5: when you turkey hunt. You can put out a full

790
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 5: strutter and you will get in certain birds, right, But

791
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 5: some birds are like, Nope, I'm going to skirt that

792
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 5: and I'm going to show off out here in the field.

793
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 5: But I'm not coming into that. But you put out

794
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 5: that quarter strut jake and push him low to the ground.

795
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 5: Now every bird is like, I'm I'm gonna take a

796
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 5: swing at that, And I just look at the doe decoy.

797
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 5: I'm like, I think dose will wig out less on

798
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 5: it because I know, especially in Iowa Minnesota where I'll

799
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 5: use it, does will see it. And I think I'll

800
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 5: have less of a negative reaction from a doe decoy

801
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 5: standing there. And it's just going to allow it. Just

802
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 5: in my opinion, you open yourself up to every buck,

803
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 5: not just the one who looks at that big postured

804
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 5: up buck and wants to come in and fight it.

805
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 5: You know, like I don't. I don't want to exclude

806
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 5: bucks like if deer, if deer would potentially come in

807
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 5: and sniff that decoy's butt. I want that to happen,

808
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 5: and I don't want to push them off. And so

809
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 5: I really think the buck decoy thing, especially that Dave Smith,

810
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 5: the way it looks like that's sending a pretty clear message.

811
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 5: And you're not gonna have a little deer come into that,

812
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like you're that that's the

813
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 5: kind of decoy that could probably push off a three

814
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 5: year old, you know, like the right three year old,

815
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 5: or even even a bigger dear that's just not feeling

816
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 5: the fight. And I just don't see that with a dough.

817
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 2: Interesting this area, this public spot, you had like a

818
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: really good buck there before, right, that's the same zone.

819
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, so helps and I think he's still there,

820
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know. I mean I had an

821
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 5: encounter with him. I hit him in twenty twenty. Never

822
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 5: found him, and I sent my buddy in there because

823
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 5: he drew last year and he he had one come

824
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 5: in that he thought was one pint eighty and he

825
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 5: was describing it. It's the same spot and he missed

826
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 5: it at twenty five yards, totally fell apart. And it's

827
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 5: kind of to me, I mean, who knows, Right, that's

828
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 5: a couple of years apart, but it was a typical

829
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 5: mainframe giant and he had the same thing come out.

830
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 5: He's like, it looked like the way he described it

831
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 5: was perfect. He said it looked like the final boss

832
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 5: in a video game. When I looked up, you know,

833
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 5: and I just think in that little area like that

834
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 5: are what are the odds? Right?

835
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: Like?

836
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 5: What are the odds? There's a typical booner on public

837
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 5: land in this spot when I'm there and then still

838
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 5: there or also there when my buddy goes in.

839
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 3: Although it is Iowa, aren't those behind every tree there?

840
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 5: They are? Yeah, it is the easiest place to hunt.

841
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: Okay, So you told me, like a few weeks back,

842
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: we were together and you said something along the lines

843
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: of you might maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure you

844
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: said that you were thinking of like holding out for

845
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: a really really big buck in Iowa. How serious are

846
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: you about that? Because usually you're, you know, relatively flexible

847
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: with your standards based on the situation everything. How serious

848
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: are you about passing you know, good bucks to hold

849
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: out for that buck or something like it?

850
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,959
Speaker 5: Will I hold out for that buck? I'm not sure,

851
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 5: but I want a big one down there? You know.

852
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I partially just because I want to spend

853
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 5: the time. The last time I drew that was when

854
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 5: we did the back forty and so I had to

855
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 5: hunt in October and not November, so I didn't get

856
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 5: to experience that spot during the rut. And the other

857
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 5: two times I drew, IOWA, I did. I just did

858
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 5: a rut hunt, you know. So yeah, I don't know.

859
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 5: I want, I want a good one. It'll be I'm

860
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 5: I'm going down there to have some fun, love it.

861
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: So IOWA high standards, exciting decoy North Dakota, doing your

862
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 2: standard North Dakota thing. Ah, any particular goal out there

863
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: other than you know.

864
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 5: She would get well. The last time I was there,

865
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: it was pretty dismal, and that was I think two

866
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 5: years ago, and so I'm kind of just curious about

867
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 5: the numbers. But you know how it is, you can

868
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 5: get out there and glass them up and figure out

869
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 5: pretty quickly, you know, kind of kind of quantity wise

870
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 5: what you're dealing with and quality wise. So I don't

871
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 5: I don't have a I don't have a lot of

872
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 5: hope for that one because I don't think the numbers

873
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 5: out there are very good. So that might be kind

874
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 5: of like Dan South Dakota thing where you're like, get

875
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 5: a legal deer in front of me. You know. I

876
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 5: just I don't know till like out there, but I

877
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 5: will say this, it's pretty interesting this year. And I

878
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 5: don't know if you're seeing this or not, but I

879
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 5: feel like the quality of bucks in general this year

880
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 5: is just a little bit higher after last winter. And

881
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 5: you know, like I talked about this before, but you know,

882
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 5: we've been fishing a few tournaments and just like it,

883
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 5: even in Turkey season, shooting jakes like they were heavier

884
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 5: than they usually are. The fish are weighing heavier than

885
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 5: they usually do, and it seems like there's a lot

886
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 5: of good antler growth out there, and I just wonder

887
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 5: if it's just correlated to how mild of a winner

888
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 5: we had last year and how how little stressed those

889
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 5: critters had on top of a really wet and plentiful spread.

890
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, makes sense.

891
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: I mean I've seen more fonds on trail cameras this

892
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 4: year than ever before with twins and triplets. I just

893
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 4: don't know what that means, but I think I think

894
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 4: the amount of rain that we've had this year is

895
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 4: gonna there's gonna be some giants coming out of places

896
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 4: this year.

897
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do too, Yeah, I do too, so hey, Mark,

898
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 5: The other thing I'm going to do for the first

899
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 5: time in a long time is I'm going to rifle

900
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 5: hunt Wisconsin this year with one of my daughters.

901
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 3: Nice at the at your Wisconsin properties up north.

902
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, sweet, I am gonna this weekend. I am

903
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 5: going to go poke around a little bit on some

904
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 5: public land because I might spend a mid day day

905
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 5: rifle hunting there, or I might bow hunt it too.

906
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm kind I'm kind of excited for that.

907
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 5: I've really only rifle hunted like a few times in

908
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 5: my life, and it's been probably ten years since I

909
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 5: rifle hunted a deer, so I think that'll be kind

910
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 5: of cool.

911
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 2: Does it set up well up there for rifle hunting

912
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: or is it pretty tight? I mean, like my Northern

913
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 2: Michigan stuff. You even with a rifle, it's like fifty

914
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: yard shots are closer.

915
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 5: It's it's tight. It's like it's like bow hunting with

916
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 5: like a little advantage. Yeah, you know, but that's cool though. Yeah,

917
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 5: And honestly, I am not a very good shot, so

918
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 5: I don't want to be sitting on like a power

919
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 5: line where I can shoot them three hund yards awa,

920
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 5: because I'm just gonna miss him anyway. Yeah, so I

921
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 5: want them in bow range when I have a rifle. Yeah.

922
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 3: I'm not too far from that either.

923
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: So Minnesota, you've got some closer to home stuff that

924
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: you are hoping to target with an archery season, right, yep.

925
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: And Wisconsin is where the bigger bucks though have shown up.

926
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: The big body buck is Wisconsin, right.

927
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 5: Right, But I do I will say this. I have

928
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 5: a little twenty five acre chunk that I picked up

929
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 5: last year close to my house, and they are two

930
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 5: big deer in there, like really really good deer. But

931
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 5: it's it's twenty five acres, you know, like and it's

932
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 5: and it's suburban stuff. So there's sanctuaries everywhere. And so

933
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 5: I you know, is that the farm with the fruit

934
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 5: tree in it?

935
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: Right?

936
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 5: Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah, there's a there's some apple trees

937
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 5: in there that are real popular, but a lot of

938
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 5: I mean this year in you know, over in Wisconsin

939
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 5: where we're at too, we have some apple trees over there,

940
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 5: and there were so many apples earlier, and I'm already

941
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 5: starting to see a lot of them hitting the ground.

942
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 5: In fact, one of the routes I run here by

943
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 5: my house, I see apple trees in people's yards and

944
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 5: I kind of pay attention to them. And just we've

945
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 5: had pounding rain and a lot of wind lately, and

946
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 5: it seems like already a lot of the apples around

947
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 5: the ground. So I'm kind of like, I don't I

948
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 5: don't know if that's going to be a pattern that

949
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 5: lasts two through our opener or not. It might be over.

950
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: So, yeah, a lot in your plate Tony Minnesota, Wisconsin

951
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: rifle Hunt, archery hunts, Iowa high Hopes, North Dakota flyer hunt.

952
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: What would be like a success if you had to

953
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: like put one thing, if you could check a box

954
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: that's to one thing for this fall, that would give

955
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: you like the yeah, this is a success. What's the

956
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: one thing of all of these things you hope to

957
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: put the check bart next to?

958
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 5: Man, I I just I'm to the point now where

959
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 5: i just want to hunt places. I know I'm going

960
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 5: to have a ton of fun. And so really, you know,

961
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 5: last year, last year, we had a really good year

962
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 5: with the girls, and I had a good year, and

963
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 5: so kind of at the end of the season. When

964
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 5: I look at it, if I have like five six

965
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 5: seven deer in the freezer, and my daughter's got some deer,

966
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 5: and I had some you know, had some opportunities, I'm like,

967
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 5: that's that's pretty good for me. I'm not you know,

968
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 5: I'm not really going down the hit list route just

969
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 5: because of the places I hunt, Like, I just can't.

970
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 5: That's just not like a great way to go about

971
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 5: it for me. So I don't you know, it's not

972
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 5: like I got to get three big bucks or it's

973
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 5: a failure. You know, Like that North Dakota thing. There's

974
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 5: a lot of places I could go that would be better,

975
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 5: I think, But I just love it out there, you know,

976
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 5: you know that terrain, and like it's just it's kind

977
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 5: of the same thing the reason that Dan keeps going

978
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 5: to South Dakota. It's not it's not because it's just

979
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 5: like an easy kill.

980
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 3: It's not just killing anything, dude.

981
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 5: It's because the terrain. The terrain is so cool and

982
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 5: it's just different from what you're used to. And I

983
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 5: I'm to the point now where I just like I

984
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 5: want as many hunts like that because I just love

985
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 5: being there, you know.

986
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I get that. That's awesome. Okay, well, I

987
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 3: guess that brings it to me. So I'll run you

988
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 3: through the schedule real quick.

989
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: As I alluded to earlier, I've got the big Alaska

990
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: trip in which first part of that trip is a

991
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: blacktail hunt there in Southeast Alaska, doing an interesting story

992
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: film up there about some changes going on in that

993
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: part of the world and why it's happening and why

994
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: some different critters are showing up in places they never

995
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: used to. So that's an interesting one. And then a

996
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 2: few days I'm spending days after that doing some salmon fishing,

997
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: which would be cool.

998
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: So that's like an almost two week trip, big excursion.

999
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: Like I mentioned earlier, I feel, you know, there's so

1000
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: many question marks around that it's got me a little anxious,

1001
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: but also it's going to be one of those very

1002
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: special experiences.

1003
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: So excited about that.

1004
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 5: What's your bear defense plan for that trip?

1005
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 2: Well, I'll have bear spray and I have a ten

1006
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 2: milimeter a sig P three twenty I think is what

1007
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: it is. So I'll have a ten mil on the

1008
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: bino harness and bear spray underneath. And then there's also

1009
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: a friend going with me. Who's very experienced in the

1010
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: area and actually does like bear what he leads, like

1011
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: bear watching trips and all that kind of stuff up there.

1012
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 2: So the dudes like very Alaskan bear brown bear savvy.

1013
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 2: So I feel really comfortable in grizzly country like here

1014
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: in the lower forty eight, you know, spend a lot

1015
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: of time and so I feel fine with that. But

1016
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: this does feel like slightly different. So it would be

1017
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: nice to be with someone for that part of the

1018
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: trip who's experienced with that version of a grizzly And.

1019
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 5: Can you be real honest here, how much time have

1020
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 5: you spent standing in front of the mirror pulling that

1021
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 5: pistol out of the holster and aiming it quickly because

1022
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 5: I know it's not zero?

1023
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, with my shirt off and face painted underath my eyes.

1024
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: You're a tough man, you're big, you're strong, Mark. Yeah,

1025
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: not not zero at all. That's that's a daily occurrence here.

1026
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: My wife's really loving it. Yes, okay, yeah, so uh yeah,

1027
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 2: super dense grizzly brown bear population so big old suckers,

1028
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: I understand. I'd love to I'd love to see some,

1029
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: you know, like I love I think they're incredible animals,

1030
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: So I'd love to observe from afar.

1031
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 3: I just don't want anything too close.

1032
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 5: Is this a rifle or a bow hunt rifle? Rifle?

1033
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so I will have plenty of firepower.

1034
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 4: I talked with some of the Vortex dudes who went

1035
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 4: on that well I think it was last year or

1036
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 4: the year before or something like that, and they had

1037
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 4: they had an absolute blast.

1038
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, looks looked incredible.

1039
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it'll be one of those lifeless trips,

1040
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: you know that I'll be able to look back on

1041
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: and have a great story.

1042
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: And I have an experience.

1043
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to trying to get past the little

1044
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: bit of anxiety and just be like, hey, it's gonna

1045
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 2: be fun. It's gonna be an amazing thing. I will

1046
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 2: tell you though, Honestly, the thing that I'm thinking I'm

1047
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: dreading the most about it is and this sounds so cheesy,

1048
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: but you guys will get it. It's a long time

1049
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: away from the kids. Like it's a very It's about

1050
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: as long of a trip as i'd ever want to do.

1051
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: I like a few years ago, I think I set

1052
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: my max like, man, I'm not doing any trips more

1053
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: than like ten days, like seven days is really what

1054
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: I prefer. But this one has had to stretch out

1055
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: because there's all these travel like I had to hop

1056
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: on so many different planes, and there's all these travel logistics,

1057
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: and then tack and on the there's the film, there's

1058
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: a black Tail, the Blacktail Hunt, and then I'm also

1059
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: doing this this salmon thing for a project, and so

1060
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: there's no way I could do two separate trips to

1061
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 2: do all that. So the only way to do this

1062
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: is that for just to be a big trip. So

1063
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 2: it's going to be like twelve or thirteen days, which

1064
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: is going to be tough.

1065
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 5: So well, and that's the kind of trip that could

1066
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 5: turn into longer just by weather for some of the

1067
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 5: flights you have probably huh.

1068
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a fair point. You're at the mercy

1069
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: of You're at the mercy of the conditions. So yeah,

1070
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's gonna be a it's a little

1071
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: hard to feel sorry for you. Yeah, I'm not asking

1072
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: for any pity, not asking for any pity. It'll be great.

1073
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: So that one's early September, and then I'm gonna do

1074
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: a Kentucky public land hunt, which will be cool. But

1075
00:54:54,239 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: I have low expectations as far as like deer. That's

1076
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: for a project about we're telling a story about the

1077
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: working for Wildlife tour. I've been doing so all these

1078
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: different public land habitat improvement volunteer days I've been going on,

1079
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: and we did one in Kentucky and so we filmed

1080
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: that and then we're gonna come back and do a

1081
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: hunt in that area too, so we're able to tell

1082
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: that story and explore you know, that project, which would

1083
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: be really cool. But it's like big woods, big hills,

1084
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: no egg, you know, just tough situation for trying to

1085
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: kill deer. So my hopes on that are just any

1086
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: legal deer. Probably unless I get out there, it's it's

1087
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: probably going to be November. Yeah, I think that's probably

1088
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: I can't do in September because I'm gone for two

1089
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: weeks already with Alaska. And then October, you know, I

1090
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: want my first couple of days for Michigan like I

1091
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: always do, and then you and me, Tony, we've got

1092
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: to go to Louisiana for this meteor fishing thing. So

1093
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 2: that's like a big chunk of time in the middle

1094
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: of October, and then late October is usually my best

1095
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: spot again, my best time again for Michigan, just one

1096
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: of my one of my main zones here, like for

1097
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: whatever reason, like late October is like when stuff really

1098
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: kicks off a little bit earlier than other places I hunt.

1099
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 2: So I think it makes sense to push the Kentucky

1100
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: thing in November, both because of those things I just describe,

1101
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: but then also because this hunt is probably gonna be

1102
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: like a terrain thing, like sitting terrain funnels, and that's

1103
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 2: obviously a rout thing. So probably that'll be the game

1104
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 2: plan for Kentucky is find some kind of saddle, find

1105
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: some kind of you know, funnel, some kind of topography

1106
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: that pushes whatever deer travel is there into a smaller zone,

1107
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: and ride it out.

1108
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 5: So you might get on a water thing down there too.

1109
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, I guess I never thought about that at

1110
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: that time of year, but yeah, and I'm sure you

1111
00:56:54,719 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: know I'll find the oaks too, So that's Kentucky. I

1112
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: picked up some surprise kind of access in Illinois recently,

1113
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna be going down to Illinois in November

1114
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 2: as well. And this is a situation where got access

1115
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: to a bunch of properties through a meet through a

1116
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 2: friend of a friend who is, you know, being very

1117
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: generous with me and a couple of friends to go

1118
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: and hunt their spots.

1119
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 3: We're gonna help him with like some marketing stuff that

1120
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: he wants some help with.

1121
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: And it's an interesting one because it's all new, but

1122
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: it also is probably better than most anything I've I've

1123
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: hunted in the past as far as like potential, because

1124
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: this is you know, primo Illinois ground that's not being

1125
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,479
Speaker 2: heavily hunted. And then we kind of have free rein

1126
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 2: on we do have free rein a bunch of this.

1127
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 2: So part of me just wants to be like, hey,

1128
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: you know, you're not gonna a ton of time, just

1129
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: shoot a decent buck.

1130
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 3: A part of me says, though, Geese, like, you don't

1131
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: have to shoot a buck.

1132
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: You could just kind of like you're saying, Tony, it's like,

1133
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: it's just fun to hunt in the area where you

1134
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: have the chance to see something like extra special that

1135
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: I just would never see in my usual places. And

1136
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: this is the kind of spot, like it's not unheard

1137
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: of that I could see one hundred and eighty inch

1138
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: buck or something.

1139
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 3: I could see the biggest dear of my life down here.

1140
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: So part of me just wants to be like, hey,

1141
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: let's just ride it out, see what happens, because you

1142
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: could see a giant and I haven't had a chance

1143
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: to like hunt really big deer for a number of

1144
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: years now, just haven't had the place that's got that,

1145
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: so I might just kind of see see what comes

1146
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: through and have some fun with it and try to

1147
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 2: like see the thing like enjoy the Illinois kind of

1148
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: like the Iowa, you know.

1149
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 3: Experience.

1150
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: So so I'm excited about that, but don't have a

1151
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: whole lot it's all new. So i'd got like one

1152
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: day I went down there a week or two ago

1153
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: and just did like a speed scout, like drove around glass,

1154
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 2: checked out these properties in the road, did a quick

1155
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: run through of five different parcels. They're mostly like there's

1156
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: like a twenty, there's like an eighteen, there's two twenties,

1157
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: there's an eighty.

1158
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 3: There's a couple other ones that are bigger that we

1159
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: can access earlier in the year and late in the year,

1160
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 3: but not in November.

1161
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: So there's there's kind of a collection of a bunch

1162
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: of different spots, and I just try to get like

1163
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: a quick idea of like what's the lay of the

1164
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: land put out a few cameras. The cameras have been

1165
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: dead so far, so I have no idea what might

1166
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: be out there eventually, but I imagine there will be

1167
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: something exciting once we get into the season.

1168
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 5: So that's Illinois, is it. Were you down there with

1169
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 5: Tyler and Casey? Yeah, yeah, So you're gonna watch those

1170
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 5: guys burn through twenty acre property in eight minutes.

1171
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 3: It's funny.

1172
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: Casey said to me, He's like, you know, it's gonna

1173
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: be great hunting with you because I know you're not

1174
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 2: gonna go mess something up for me. I'm like, yeah,

1175
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: you're gonna be the one messing up for me. I

1176
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: recognize that. Fortunately, there's enough like different little spots, like

1177
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna be able to spread out and.

1178
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 3: You know, have some fun.

1179
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: And again, like I've got not low expectations, but I'm

1180
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: not like worried about it. I'm not super stressed, Like

1181
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot into it yet. So this

1182
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: is just like, hey, go have a fun adventure, see

1183
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: what's possible out there, learn these new places, try and

1184
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: have a good time with it. So that's Illinois, and

1185
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: then of course Michigan. The family deer camp. Gonna be

1186
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: going up there.

1187
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 3: For gun season with the kids and my dad and

1188
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 3: uncles and friends.

1189
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: So excited about that. One continue to see that place improve.

1190
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: Last year, you know, we put a lot of time

1191
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: into improving it and did not have the success hunting.

1192
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: Didn't see much hunting, but we had pictures of more

1193
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: mature bucks than ever before in daylight, Like all around us.

1194
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: There was like there's a giant one hundred and ten

1195
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: yards or one hundred and forty something away from my

1196
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 2: dad while he was out there hunting, so like we're

1197
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: in the mix. They're around like three or four or

1198
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: five different mature bucks all there at the same time.

1199
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: Never ever have had that, and like deer, not just

1200
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: mature deer, but like deer that I would shoot anywhere

1201
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: caliber deer.

1202
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 3: So that's exciting.

1203
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 5: Hold on, so hold on, isn't it? I think there's

1204
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 5: an interesting case study here where you talk about going

1205
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 5: to a brand new place in Illinois and the trophy

1206
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 5: potential there and what you can run into and the

1207
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 5: focus on that and how fun that'll be, and then

1208
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 5: at the same time you're like, we've got this up

1209
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 5: North Michigan property that in your head you kind of

1210
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 5: think of as being like a way lower quality place,

1211
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 5: but now you have good, good deer there, but you

1212
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 5: wouldn't prioritize that over Illinois, you know what I mean,

1213
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 5: Like even though you know you have this little pocket

1214
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 5: of big ones, it's like that that pole of the

1215
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 5: premiere white tail state so hard to get over for.

1216
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: Sure, and it's and it's uh, there's still like a

1217
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 2: deer density thing too, Like knowing there's some mature box

1218
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: up north has been very exciting, but still like I

1219
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: went the entire hunting season there last year.

1220
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 3: Seeing one deer.

1221
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: And I'm not a horrible deer hunter, and I saw

1222
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: one deer up there, even though like yeah, maybe, oh

1223
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 2: so it's I'm I'm I am still living on like

1224
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 2: hope and pictures up there, right, so we're making progress.

1225
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 3: The photos are.

1226
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: I know it will happen eventually for someone We're gonna

1227
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 2: get a deer up there. It's gonna be amazing, But

1228
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: it's still like a slog, you know. So my hope

1229
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: is that we're gonna get to a point where we

1230
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: can go and sit with the kids and like have

1231
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: a decent chance of seeing deer, just making exciting for

1232
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: the kids, and for my dad to be able to

1233
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: shoot something up there would all be would be great.

1234
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 3: So that's the hope.

1235
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: And and yeah, we're gonna be going up there here

1236
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: next we probably and do a little bit of final

1237
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: prep work there, but but yeah, we'll see what happens.

1238
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: Fingers crossed. And then southern Michigan.

1239
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: That's where a lot of my attention has been recently,

1240
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: just getting ready on the local stuff. And then kind

1241
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 2: of the two big stories there are. I lost one

1242
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: of my big permission farms this year, but I also

1243
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 2: picked up some new permissions. On one of those new

1244
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 2: permission pieces, I'm particularly excited about. It's sixty acres, of

1245
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: which fifty six of it is cornfield. But the four

1246
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: acres of cover are tucked up next to a big

1247
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 2: swamp system in an area that I've always known has

1248
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: good deer, Like I drive around here a lot summer

1249
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: evenings looking for deer, So for years I've known this

1250
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: zone has some good deer because you know, usually swamps

1251
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 2: are where deer get age in Michigan because you can

1252
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: just get away from hunting pressure. And so a number

1253
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: of years ago I knocked on a bunch of doors

1254
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 2: around here, try to get. At one point, I did

1255
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: get a permission that lasted a year, saw a really

1256
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 2: good buck, lost permission the next year, but finally picked

1257
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 2: up a new access just four acres. But those four acres,

1258
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: like I said, there's some oaks, there's like super tall grass, brushy,

1259
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: nasty stuff. I went there and scouted. When I was

1260
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 2: slipping in their scouting, I saw and bumped like a

1261
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: probably a three year old eight pointer that was just

1262
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: feeding in the standing corn that didn't see me until

1263
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 2: my wind swirled. And then I bumped another buck that

1264
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: was at least a three year old if not older,

1265
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: bedded in the tall grass, like one hundred yards from there.

1266
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: So just when I walked through there saw two bucks

1267
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: that were probably three year older.

1268
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 3: I put up two.

1269
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: Cameras, which is pretty dense for four acres, but I

1270
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 2: put two cameras on two different good looking kind of

1271
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: entries off that swamp into this corn. And I have

1272
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: one slammer mature buck that's like he has at least

1273
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: twelve inch prow times if not taller, like really cool,

1274
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: another like really solid eight pointer, a twelve pointer that's

1275
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: not like a huge antlered one, but like a lot

1276
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: of points. I'm like a cool deer. He's he's three

1277
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 2: or four, so like at least three deer that I'm

1278
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: pretty interested in taking a shot at. And I wouldn't

1279
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 2: be shocked if you know. There's plenty more that roll

1280
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: through once you get later into the season too. So

1281
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: excited about that little Heidi Hole spot. And there's a

1282
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 2: couple other zones that I have to still scout and

1283
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 2: explore on these new accesses. There's another piece that's a

1284
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: little bit bigger that I'm hoping to check out next week.

1285
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: And long story short, would be fun to have some

1286
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: success on one of these new spots. And then there's

1287
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 2: the local area I've hunted for many years where I've

1288
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: got these deer I've gotten to know over the years.

1289
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: And big story there is there's two bucks back from

1290
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: past years. There's the deer my oldest son named Bulldozer

1291
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: passed him a bunch as a three year old, passed

1292
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 2: him last year as a four year old. During gun season.

1293
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: We found his match set. This spring, my youngest son,

1294
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 2: Colt found well. I found it first and pretending not

1295
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: to know he was there, and went back got Colt

1296
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: brought him out. He got to find it, pick it up,

1297
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,919
Speaker 2: super sayings. He's a five year old huge body deer,

1298
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 2: like really really big body buck. He's blind in one eye,

1299
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: got injured in the fight last year, seems like, and

1300
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 2: he's just like a solid nine pointer, so he's one

1301
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 2: of the bucks that'd be interested in taking a crack at.

1302
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 2: And then the second one is a four year old

1303
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 2: who passed a bunch last year and my youngest son

1304
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: decided to call him Bear Deer, so Bear Deer blew up.

1305
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 3: He is big.

1306
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: He's a really big, main frame nine pointer with an

1307
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: inside tye off of his right G two, so tech me.

1308
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 3: He's got ten.

1309
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 2: Points, tall, great time layth like a like a big deer,

1310
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 2: biggest Frank big close. He's probably the closest I've had

1311
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: to that since Frank. He's pushing towards that mark. So

1312
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 2: that's another interesting one. And both of them, I've been

1313
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: able to glass them this summer. I've got lots of

1314
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: pictures of them. They're they're they're hanging out a lot

1315
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 2: right now. Over the past two years. Both of them

1316
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: were pretty homebodyish during the season, so I have decent

1317
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 2: expectations of them hanging around, and I feel like pretty

1318
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: well dialed on. You know, they're always they always three curveballs.

1319
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 2: So I know I'm not too confident in anyone playing,

1320
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: but I've got a decent sense of how I want

1321
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 2: to approach it and excited about that.

1322
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 3: Both the boys are super excited.

1323
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 5: You know.

1324
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 2: This is an area that they've been able to scout

1325
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: with me, that they've been able to be unhunted with

1326
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:55,479
Speaker 2: me in the past.

1327
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 3: They've seen these deer in the past.

1328
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 2: So what I like about this area is like the

1329
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 2: family has been very involved in it and that makes

1330
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: it fun in a different kind of way. So that's

1331
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 2: the season. That's what I've got on the on the

1332
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: on the docket. You know, would love to shoot one

1333
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 2: of those two bucks in Michigan. Would love to kill

1334
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: a buck either up north or one of one of

1335
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: these bonus properties with lower standards. Any deer in Alaska,

1336
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 2: any deer in Kentucky, Illinois will kind of see how

1337
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: it is. Like I said, I might want to just

1338
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: ride it out and see what's possible. And biggest goal though,

1339
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 2: above all of those things, is this has been the

1340
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 2: same thing the last two years. But I just want

1341
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 2: to keep it fun, avoid the stress, avoid you know,

1342
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: the downside of die hard deer hunting, like just keep

1343
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 2: it fun, enjoy myself, and everything seems to work out

1344
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 2: better when I'm doing that, rather than over analyzing, over stressing,

1345
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 2: overworking myself up about this because I think maybe you

1346
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 2: were you know, I were talking about this, Dan, but like,

1347
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 2: we're not caring cancer, we aren't rocket scientists, We're not

1348
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 2: doing anything that's that important. We're out there hunting deer.

1349
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: It's not the end of the world. If something goes wrong,

1350
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: it's not the end of the world. If the plan's

1351
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 2: not going right, it's not the end of the world.

1352
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 2: If I make a stupid mistake, just enjoy it, soak

1353
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: it up, enjoy time outside, get out there with a family,

1354
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 2: you know, try to pursue my goals, but do it

1355
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: in a way that is, you know, like filling my cup,

1356
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 2: not draining it. So that's that's the focus again this year.

1357
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 5: I can agree with that.

1358
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 4: But there's something, especially when I go out to South

1359
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 4: Dakota and Tony you mentioned it about the environment, that

1360
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 4: I just love the plane states Man. There's something about

1361
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 4: sitting on top of a hill and looking for infinity

1362
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 4: until your eyes just can't work anymore. There's something about

1363
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 4: that that I love. But there's also this aspect of

1364
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 4: that that I feel, especially you really feel it when

1365
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 4: you go on an elk hunt, especially at higher elevations,

1366
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 4: where your body is just wasted by the end of

1367
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:20,719
Speaker 4: the day, okay, And there's something about falling asleep before

1368
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 4: your head hits the pillow in your sleeping bag that

1369
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 4: I know I did something right, whether I felt like

1370
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 4: it or not, because of the physical energy that I

1371
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 4: put into that those hunts. And so there's something about

1372
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 4: that that I don't get with white tail hunting. And

1373
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 4: so to me, when I feel that and i'm I'm

1374
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 4: walking up the last hill to my truck of the day,

1375
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 4: my legs are just screaming at me, or I'm I

1376
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 4: don't know, I'm exhausted and all I want to do

1377
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 4: is stuff my face before I fall asleep, then then

1378
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 4: that's a successful day for me, right, And so it's different.

1379
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 4: It's different for white tail because I've been doing it

1380
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 4: along and it's it's I don't want to say it's easy,

1381
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 4: but i'm I'm I'm knowledgeable about it, which makes it

1382
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 4: easier for me. And then there's there's a lot less

1383
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 4: of that guessing involved. So so that's why I love

1384
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 4: going out West, because you're guessing at sometimes like shit,

1385
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just gonna go,

1386
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 4: and because you have to go. If you don't go,

1387
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 4: then then you're just sitting in your truck and I

1388
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 4: don't know.

1389
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 5: That's I love that. Well, dude, those those hunts, like

1390
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 5: you're talking about that meal deer hunt, I think that's

1391
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 5: like the most fun you can have with a bow.

1392
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 5: Go hunt, break the terrain, go spot and stock meal deer.

1393
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 5: So fun, all all day, fun, all day.

1394
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.

1395
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: Final words of wisdom or a final thought you want

1396
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 2: to leave folks with as we're about to kick off

1397
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 2: hunting season, is there any last thing before folks start

1398
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 2: hitting the woods, start hitting the mountains, start hitting the planes,

1399
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 2: whatever it is, what do you want to leave them with?

1400
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 5: Dan?

1401
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 3: You lead us off.

1402
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 4: I feel, especially for bow hunters and all new hunters,

1403
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 4: shoot as many deer as you have tags for. If

1404
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 4: you if you're a new hunter, or you're you are

1405
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 4: a even somewhat experienced hunter, fill your tags, shoot your

1406
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 4: shoot your rifle, shoot your bow, fill the freezer. Right,

1407
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 4: I don't know That's something that I don't want to

1408
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 4: say I regret, but it's something that I wish I

1409
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 4: did when I was first starting out, because I skipped

1410
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,759
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of steps and went right into hunting

1411
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 4: big mature deer. And I wish there for a couple

1412
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 4: of years. I want I would have went into and

1413
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 4: it's brown its down type mode. And so my suggestion

1414
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 4: for anybody out there, especially if you're even even experienced guys,

1415
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 4: just shoot a couple dose, man, Just let the arrows fly,

1416
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 4: let the bullets fly, stack some bodies, and then after

1417
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 4: that's all over, then get into like the chess match

1418
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 4: stuff you can you can do both.

1419
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 5: You can do both. And my goal this year is

1420
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:14,799
Speaker 5: to put more meat.

1421
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 3: In the freezer.

1422
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 5: Love it.

1423
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 3: What about you, Tony Man?

1424
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 5: I think I think the thing that keeps me going,

1425
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 5: that I think we're are messaging from top down in

1426
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 5: the white tail space is be super cautious, preserve your spots,

1427
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 5: you know, wait till that buck's daylighting on the cell camera,

1428
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 5: then go in and hunt him. And we have all

1429
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 5: these rules kind of like unspoken rules built in to

1430
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 5: keep us out of the woods and not try new stuff,

1431
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 5: like not risk things, and I'm to the point now

1432
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 5: where when I try new stuff, that's the most fun

1433
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 5: I have. So like the decoy thing last year when

1434
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 5: I really don't have like a ton of faith in it,

1435
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 5: but I'm like, I'm gonna go down this path or

1436
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 5: that muzzloader hunt I did last year in western Minnesota

1437
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 5: and the cattails louse. That was the most fun I

1438
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 5: had last season. I didn't kill a deer, but that

1439
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 5: new environment that kicks my ass and forces me to

1440
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 5: solve new problems. I think. I think we go into

1441
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 5: a season and we're like I want the hunt to happen,

1442
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 5: like I want it to happen where I want it

1443
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,480
Speaker 5: to happen in the whole thing, and you know, oftentimes

1444
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 5: it doesn't. But also when we have that mentality, we

1445
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 5: stay out of the woods or like we're like, well,

1446
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 5: I you know, I'm not going to hunt October tenth

1447
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 5: when I could wait and it's gonna be October twenty

1448
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 5: fifth with a cold front. I'm like, man, you're just

1449
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 5: not gonna hunt. And so I'm like, find find ways

1450
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 5: to hunt and try new stuff, like still hunting, like

1451
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 5: stalking them whatever, killing one from the ground. You know,

1452
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 5: like we always talk about our goals, and everybody defaults

1453
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 5: to like I want to buck bigger than one I've

1454
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 5: ever killed, or I want a one forty class or

1455
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 5: I want a mature buck. And I find myself sometimes

1456
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 5: where I'm like, I'm going to try to kill a

1457
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 5: dough from the ground in the big woods. And you know,

1458
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 5: it's like a little goal, right. It puts me in

1459
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 5: a situation where I'm trying new stuff and it just

1460
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 5: changes it for me. It like changes how I view

1461
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 5: the season, and it changes how much I want to

1462
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 5: go all the time. Because when you have something like that,

1463
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 5: you know, if you're like I'm going to go do

1464
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 5: that in the beginning October on some kind of big

1465
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 5: woods acorn pattern or whatever, you know you're not gonna

1466
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 5: kill a big one. Probably you're probably not gonna you

1467
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 5: might not even be within the same section as a

1468
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 5: big one. But you're still actively hunting and trying new stuff.

1469
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 5: And man, like you said, when you're when you're having

1470
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 5: fun out there and you're enjoying it, the things just

1471
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 5: fall into place. Like you run into big deer where

1472
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 5: you're not supposed to and you kill deer in cool ways,

1473
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 5: and it's just like it's a different kind of season

1474
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 5: than being ultra cautious just to like try to have

1475
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 5: a couple of hunts where your odds are the highest.

1476
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 5: Like that's I'm going the other way on that stuff.

1477
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.

1478
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 2: I definitely have found the more I've experimented in those

1479
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 2: kinds of ways, the more the more confidence you build

1480
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 2: than that. I think a lot of it comes from

1481
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 2: like just feeling, oh, I can't do this kind of

1482
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 2: stuff because you didn't have experience with it, you know,

1483
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 2: the confidence everyone tells you not to do that. But

1484
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 2: as soon as you try a couple of these things

1485
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 2: and you realize like, oh this is possible, Oh this

1486
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 2: led to a good thing, it opens up the doors

1487
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 2: for so much more. So, Yeah, I can attest to

1488
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 2: that as well. I think my final thought would kind

1489
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 2: of tag on a little bit to something you mentioned there,

1490
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 2: which is, you know, just hunting your hunt, your own

1491
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 2: hunt this year. And this is something we've talked about

1492
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 2: for years, but I continue to need to hear it

1493
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 2: myself and I continue to want to share with other

1494
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 2: people because it's just so important. You know, Comparison is

1495
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 2: the thief of joy, right, That's a great line. I think,

1496
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 2: I don't know where who that came from, but comparison

1497
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 2: is the thief of joy. As soon as you start

1498
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 2: comparing yourself to other people and worrying about how big

1499
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: a deer you shoot compared to this other person, or

1500
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 2: how many deer you shoot compared to the other person,

1501
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 2: or if this thing's better than this thing, or that

1502
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 2: guy's better than you. As soon as you start doing that,

1503
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 2: you start losing the fun. You start stressed out, You

1504
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 2: start doing things for the wrong reasons. You start going

1505
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 2: down a path that just doesn't take you anywhere good.

1506
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: And I've been down that path before, and I want

1507
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: to avoid that as much as possible myself.

1508
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 3: Keep it fun.

1509
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 2: Hunt for your own reasons, have your own goals. Don't

1510
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 2: feel like something you see on Instagram or something you

1511
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 2: heard on a podcast has to be the same way

1512
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: you do things. You know, pursue things at the level

1513
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 2: you're at. Like Dan said, like don't jump straight to

1514
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 2: try to hold out for big giant bucks. If you've

1515
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 2: never killed any buck, right, hunt some does. Hunt young bucks.

1516
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: Do it shamelessly, be proud, enjoy it, be you know it.

1517
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 2: Take all of those experiences for what they are, and

1518
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 2: if you never want to try to kill a big

1519
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 2: giant buck, great, no big deal. If you do, that's

1520
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: fine too. If you fail, a whole bunch along the

1521
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 2: way happens to us all do things for your own reasons.

1522
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 2: Enjoy it, learn, try new things, and remember we're not

1523
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: saving the world here, we're deer hunting, so have fun

1524
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,759
Speaker 2: with it. Get out there with your friends and family.

1525
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 2: Don't do the thing that I have done a lot

1526
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 2: in the past, which is like skip breakfast with your

1527
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 2: buddies or miss out on something important just because you're

1528
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: so obsessed with trying to you know, not make one possible,

1529
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 2: tiny mistake. Yeah it's important, work hard. Yeah, it's important

1530
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 2: to do things the right way, but also give yourself

1531
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 2: a little bit of grace and enjoy yourself. At least

1532
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 2: that's the advice that I've needed, so for whatever it's worth. Hopefully,

1533
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 2: hopefully everybody has a great season. I'm excited to see

1534
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 2: how it goes for you too. I hope Dan survives

1535
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 2: as South Dakota Adventures and we'll be able to come

1536
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 2: here at the end of the season and have some

1537
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 2: very interesting stories to share. Thank you, guys, Good luck, guys.

1538
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 2: All right, and that's going to wrap it up for

1539
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 2: that one. I hope you enjoyed that, a lot of laughs,

1540
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 2: a lot of uh. It's exciting for all three of us.

1541
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 2: I think to start imagining what this upcoming season might hold.

1542
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 2: And as you heard, a lot of adventures coming up,

1543
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: a lot of opportunities for some good stories, some lessons learned,

1544
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: and you know, a little bit of the unexpected certainly.

1545
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 2: So thanks for being here. I hope you've got some

1546
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 2: exciting adventures coming up here soon. I'm wishing you the

1547
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 2: best of luck if your season is kicking off here soon.

1548
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 2: And until next time, stay wired to hunh