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Speaker 1: today today? Is I should looked up before we started
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Speaker 1: around there. Um. I'm kind of I kind of want
Speaker 1: a little bit more nipped to the weather, like a
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Speaker 1: good windows down. Put some metallica on AC No, I'm
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Speaker 1: there we go. Let's get his under dog right. No,
Speaker 1: I love that quot. All right, let's go. Let's thank
Speaker 1: you Kurt, Thank you, Kurt. We're not going to bury
Speaker 1: the lead. Mike McCarthy had this press conference today. One
Speaker 1: of the reporters, I think it was, was John Macholda.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't know who it was. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't know who you were that gave this question
Speaker 1: to coach McCarthy. But it was John. It was John. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was John Machilda. He gave the path if you
Speaker 1: want it, yeah, sure. Well, if you got a man
Speaker 1: do your thing, man, you should said, hey, come on,
Speaker 1: let's go play HIV team home on half. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you know, I have what is it this week? We're
Speaker 1: we're underdog. I'm good, all right, just from my Saturday
Speaker 1: night speech, I'm good. No, no, I'll never used it,
Speaker 1: but I'll just say this, where nobody's underdog? So if
Speaker 1: you need a quote, m the first part of that
Speaker 1: was John macholda acting coach McCarthy, do you ever use
Speaker 1: the point spread as a motivating factor for your team?
Speaker 1: The Cowboys are five and a half point underdogs this
Speaker 1: weekend against the Los Angeles Rams, and coach came on
Speaker 1: and said, where nobody's underdog? I love that. I love
Speaker 1: that you want to talk about something that you know
Speaker 1: you are. Your team's a reflection of its leadership. When
Speaker 1: oh body's underdog, and that just shows you the confidence
Speaker 1: that is permeating throughout this locker room, and it's starting
Speaker 1: with your head coach. And now that energy when they
Speaker 1: say keep the same energy, that is the energy that
Speaker 1: needs to be kept throughout the building where no one's underdog.
Speaker 1: Yes we respect our opponent. Yes we understand that they're
Speaker 1: the defending world champions. Yes we understand what they can
Speaker 1: do schematically, offensively, defensively. Yes we understand that they have
Speaker 1: really good players on their football team. But damn it,
Speaker 1: we are nobody's underdog because they put their pants on
Speaker 1: the same way we do, one leg at a time.
Speaker 1: Do you remember time you're coach doing that? I played
Speaker 1: for Jason Garrett. He never did that. No, I'm playing no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: You know, for what it's worth, Jason Garrett always had
Speaker 1: like Jason Garrett is a good storyteller. I don't mean
Speaker 1: a liar, I mean I mean a storyteller like he
Speaker 1: like he can he understands tempo and tone of how
Speaker 1: to tell the story. So he always would have these
Speaker 1: really good stories and need really good analogies. But uh,
Speaker 1: and then a way after that way he didn't really
Speaker 1: say much. You know, it was like hey listen, kind
Speaker 1: of Hey, we pay you guys a lot of money,
Speaker 1: go do what you remember one time Jason telling the
Speaker 1: media a story that he normally tells the players, and
Speaker 1: he was just kind of it was the one about
Speaker 1: guy on the cliff and he's got the yeah, and
Speaker 1: he was telling the men and the man is laughing
Speaker 1: as a real joker, like how this kind of silly?
Speaker 1: And then I got to hear a tape of him
Speaker 1: telling the players, Yeah, I was ready to jump through
Speaker 1: the wall. The best ones, if anybody ever tell you
Speaker 1: the best kind of not really speeches, it's the special
Speaker 1: team meetings when you go on there and they pay
Speaker 1: that your your pregame clip. It's always like, especially coaches
Speaker 1: always want you to be an attack mode. So then
Speaker 1: they'll pull up all of the animals attack right, They'll
Speaker 1: they'll show a lion or something like going after a
Speaker 1: will to beast or something like that. And it's a
Speaker 1: relentless pursuit every single time you go to attack. And
Speaker 1: so those are all it's fun special one that you
Speaker 1: want to us want to look out for. So all right,
Speaker 1: as we get into this Cowboys defense Los Angeles Rams offense, Nate,
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna set you up. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: let you do what it is that you want to
Speaker 1: do with this What did you see? We'll start with
Speaker 1: the Rams offense. What do you like about this Rams offense?
Speaker 1: This is me setting you up. I thought I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna set you up. What do you like about the
Speaker 1: Rams offense? And where is something that you think that
Speaker 1: we can exploit on the Rams offense? You know the
Speaker 1: Rams when you look at them our own tape, brother
Speaker 1: Jesson and Kurt, they're just playing. You know, they flash
Speaker 1: here and there. They forced the ball the Cooper cup,
Speaker 1: they forced it to the tight end. They got two
Speaker 1: nice running backs and Henderson and Acres and the smartest
Speaker 1: this coach is you know, people can say what they
Speaker 1: want about the offensive line, but you can have our
Speaker 1: average offensive line as long as the other parts are
Speaker 1: kind of elite. And they do have kind of elite
Speaker 1: other parts. Now it is the willingness. Is the coach
Speaker 1: gonna take the time and try to figure out how
Speaker 1: to help this offensive mind block versus the run. And
Speaker 1: that's what they're not doing. It's like, okay, they ain't working,
Speaker 1: let's just throw the ball. And so I'm just waiting
Speaker 1: for this coach to click in his mind because he
Speaker 1: is the offensive coordinator. Let's you know, coach McVeigh, let's
Speaker 1: get it going. Because he is one of the top
Speaker 1: offensive minds. You can say what you want, he is.
Speaker 1: He is that. So I'm just waiting for him to click. Man,
Speaker 1: I just hope it won't be this week. Yeah, he hinted,
Speaker 1: and I guess press Commons yesterday that like they're getting
Speaker 1: killed just by four man rushes and so everybody else back,
Speaker 1: and he's like, because their offensive lines all banged up,
Speaker 1: I think they've got another center coming in this thing. Maybe.
Speaker 1: So he talked about trying a different strategy of some sort.
Speaker 1: But how do you I mean, is that something that
Speaker 1: how do the Cowboys prepare for that? And what could
Speaker 1: he do differently? Given the people he's got, They're they're
Speaker 1: they're gonna see, like just said the other day, they
Speaker 1: are this copercat league. These people seeing that man right
Speaker 1: outside of them tackles doom. Cowboys a real question of them.
Speaker 1: They're a real question because their weakness is the middle
Speaker 1: of their offense. So we got the horses right there.
Speaker 1: As long as they keep their mindset, it ain't gonna
Speaker 1: happen in the middle. Now, how do you attack the edges.
Speaker 1: You know, they have receivers that actually block, they have
Speaker 1: tight ends that get on you will Are they willing
Speaker 1: to do all of that? Are they willing to be patient?
Speaker 1: Because their quarterback is not playing well, he is not
Speaker 1: seeing it and I'm gonna just turn it over the Jets.
Speaker 1: So let me say this this, this Rams team had
Speaker 1: a similar rut last year, and I went back and
Speaker 1: I found the numbers. Um, this RAM team had a
Speaker 1: three game losing streak last year that won a couple
Speaker 1: of games, and they went on this this three game
Speaker 1: losing streak, and here was Matthew Stafford's numbers during that time.
Speaker 1: They played the Titans and Matthew Stafford was thirty one
Speaker 1: forty eight for two ninety four a touchdown, two interceptions,
Speaker 1: five sacks. They turned around in the next week and
Speaker 1: played the Niners, who, believe it or not, just flat
Speaker 1: out has their number. That's just what it is, like,
Speaker 1: say whatever you want, the Niners have their number. The
Speaker 1: Niners whooped up on them. Stafford's numbers twenty six to
Speaker 1: forty one, two forty three a touchdown, two picks, two sacks,
Speaker 1: followed by Green Bay Stafford's numbers with twenty eight twenty
Speaker 1: one of thirty eight for three or two, three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: one interception, two sacks. Then they ran off five straight
Speaker 1: to only lose to Who in the last game in
Speaker 1: the regular season, the forty Niners. After that loss, they
Speaker 1: didn't ran the table and went on and won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So to your point, Nate is this team
Speaker 1: is a team that plays um. They just play ball.
Speaker 1: They just go out and they play ball, and they
Speaker 1: have these ruts throughout the season. I think what has
Speaker 1: made Sean McVay one of the best, if not the
Speaker 1: best head coaches, slash offensive coordinators, and and Kurt you
Speaker 1: hit on this as well, is the ability to self evaluate,
Speaker 1: the ability to then now come up with another scheme.
Speaker 1: This has been the This word scheme has been like
Speaker 1: the the the word of the day. The last two
Speaker 1: years in the National Football League, we've heard a lot
Speaker 1: of scheme this scheme that, you know, scheme here, scheme there.
Speaker 1: That has been the word. And no one does it
Speaker 1: better than a guy like Sean mcvaigh. And when you
Speaker 1: look at this, everyone's saying, Sean McVay, well, they're forcing
Speaker 1: the ball in the Cooper Cup. They're forcing the ball
Speaker 1: in the Cooper Cup, and this team is literate with
Speaker 1: really good offensive players. Now they don't. They don't, they
Speaker 1: don't have um. The offensive line is struggling. Absolutely, they
Speaker 1: don't have Odell Beckham, who had really we talk about
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup and all the stuff that he did last
Speaker 1: year and when in the Triple Crown. But Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: was one of those solid pieces in that offensive unit
Speaker 1: that gave you all of those things, you know, the
Speaker 1: intermediate routes to slants, the hitches and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff with the ability to go home always in
Speaker 1: the back of ye always in the back of the
Speaker 1: minds of the defenders. But Kurt to you with with
Speaker 1: this offense, when the Cowboys look at this and they
Speaker 1: have this, they've I saw something today where we're talking
Speaker 1: about dan Quip was talking about getting his defenders more opportunities,
Speaker 1: guys like Tristan Hill, guys like Ghost and guys those
Speaker 1: interior guys. Has the Cowboys found themselves defensively almost a
Speaker 1: little bit too married to this idea that Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: needs to be the guy that's in the interior defensive
Speaker 1: line because the reason why you're not getting the other
Speaker 1: guy's reps is because you're playing Michael Parsons exclusively now
Speaker 1: at defensive end, so that rotation doesn't get the other
Speaker 1: guys in there. Because you're going with Michael Parsons. Have
Speaker 1: they become a little bit too married to that? Possibly?
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about yesterday and just the wear
Speaker 1: and tear of MICA's having and as Nate said, we've
Speaker 1: got some horses in there that can do the job.
Speaker 1: I guess it's just a matter of mix and matching,
Speaker 1: keeping them guessing and where Michael is. So maybe you
Speaker 1: want him in there sum but I don't know. They've
Speaker 1: got a lot of good guys and they got a
Speaker 1: bad rams, got a bad interior line, so our guys
Speaker 1: should be able to handle what the This is the
Speaker 1: thing this is that you Michael Parsons is a big
Speaker 1: man six sixty three, sixty four, two fifty five to
Speaker 1: sixty whatever he is. He's a big man, but he's
Speaker 1: not a huge man. And what I mean by that
Speaker 1: he's not two eighty, he's not three hundred. So every
Speaker 1: time he run into one of these big guys that
Speaker 1: weigh three hundred, you know, whether he knocking them down
Speaker 1: or not, that's a shot, he's taken, and you got
Speaker 1: Tristian Hill who finally realizes, man, if I can't playing
Speaker 1: this defense, but what all these with this rotation, I
Speaker 1: ain't got but twelve players? Let me if I can't
Speaker 1: give you twelve hard rushing, you know. And that's how
Speaker 1: they're looking at it, you know. Gallamore finally figured out
Speaker 1: hold on man. They brought Bohanna in a six or
Speaker 1: seventh round pick and he's playing in front of me.
Speaker 1: The competition is so great right now. But coach don't
Speaker 1: want to leave anybody out because if I go to you,
Speaker 1: if I come to you, as Tristian Hill said, hey
Speaker 1: coach man, why well, you know coming out of training camp,
Speaker 1: this is what we felt. But Tristan Hill had a good,
Speaker 1: great training camp, one or the best. So you got
Speaker 1: to give him some You gotta give him the lead
Speaker 1: way you gotta give him. But when you give it
Speaker 1: to him him and Tristan he'll say, when I give
Speaker 1: you d fifteen plays? Yeah, So when they put you know,
Speaker 1: Mica in the middle like this, and we talked about
Speaker 1: him yesterday too, but we talked about receivers scheming them open.
Speaker 1: Can they scheme Mica to get open because right you know,
Speaker 1: I hadn't had any sacks last two games. Statistically, his
Speaker 1: numbers are not what they were, you know, and that
Speaker 1: is because they've been putting him at one position, either
Speaker 1: left for the right Devin's event. If they go back
Speaker 1: to when we started last year, this kid coming from
Speaker 1: the linebacker, coming from Will, coming from Mike, or it'll
Speaker 1: breakback open. His day is coming again, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: come in bunches. It just happened like that. Yes, you
Speaker 1: know that it's coming back. But what Michael got to
Speaker 1: do is take sit back and see what's really hurting.
Speaker 1: If it's hindering him. If he decided that it's not,
Speaker 1: then you do your thing. But if you but you
Speaker 1: gotta be smart as a player sometimes, and I know
Speaker 1: those trainers over there are smart, you know, because it's
Speaker 1: times that you can play through injury, but that injury
Speaker 1: may not let you allow you to be who you are,
Speaker 1: but you still better than most. He's a freak, like
Speaker 1: you said, he's a Martian or alien or whatever. He's
Speaker 1: coming on with lights on the stoves or whatever. But
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that right here, I love what you said.
Speaker 1: Don't marry him to no defensive end. You know, I
Speaker 1: try to tell anybody that's listening, Lawrence Taylor became, became
Speaker 1: and stayed more effective when you just didn't know. You
Speaker 1: knew his deal was the left outside linebacker for the Giants,
Speaker 1: But boy, when he went to moving around and you
Speaker 1: don't know where it's coming from. It's called longevity, and
Speaker 1: you don't know whether that atomic bomb is gonna drop next.
Speaker 1: And that's how I think we should keep Michael. I'm
Speaker 1: with that great jazz great on that move. All right,
Speaker 1: So when we come back from this break, I want
Speaker 1: to get into the concept of Treyvon dis guarding Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1: We've known Trayvon to have really good success against the bigger,
Speaker 1: taller receivers. How do you limit because they're gonna get
Speaker 1: into the ball? How do you limit Cooper Cup and
Speaker 1: its productivity? Do you strictly go Trayvon digs on them
Speaker 1: all the time? Do you double them? How? How should
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Speaker 1: would we would talk about this matchup. Cooper Cup is
Speaker 1: on pace right now. Kurt Chris both gave me this
Speaker 1: stat He's on pace to have a hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: nine receptions. What is the record? Yeah, So not only
Speaker 1: is he on pace, to break the record that is
Speaker 1: that's like almost three games receptions thirty thirty more receptions
Speaker 1: than you know what. That is insane And some will say, man,
Speaker 1: they are like they are like forced feeding him the ball.
Speaker 1: They're forced feeding him the ball. They're force feeding him
Speaker 1: the ball. What about the other guys in that team.
Speaker 1: It's one thing, I tell you, who's not complaining. Cooper
Speaker 1: Cups not complaining. I can I can guarantee you that
Speaker 1: he is not complaining. And there's no secret coming into
Speaker 1: this game. They're going to try to find that matchup.
Speaker 1: But what most teams try to have is that one
Speaker 1: corner that you can go ahead and say, hey, you're
Speaker 1: the guy. You are the guy. Now. Cooper Cup may
Speaker 1: look small on TV, Cooper Cup is six foot two
Speaker 1: and built. He ain't the fastest, but he is one
Speaker 1: of the most craftiest, and he has quickness and elusiveness.
Speaker 1: And sometimes this is not a racial thing, but sometimes
Speaker 1: kind of the whole white man can't jump. Like you
Speaker 1: think that the dude can't give you a little something,
Speaker 1: and the white dude give you a little like Cooper
Speaker 1: has lived off that like he's lived off that pace
Speaker 1: of it looked like I'm moving really fast, but I'm not,
Speaker 1: but I'm really shifty. Do you think this is one
Speaker 1: of those games where Dan Quinn says, hey, number seven,
Speaker 1: you got him. You may hit Jordan Lewis may or
Speaker 1: may not play dealt with the hamstring. Right before the
Speaker 1: game last week, he said, feeling a little bit better
Speaker 1: throughout the week, didn't practice the other day. So is
Speaker 1: this a kind of game when you say, hey, Dix,
Speaker 1: you talked about it during the break and you should
Speaker 1: talk about it now too. But it sounds like they
Speaker 1: move Cooper cup so much. How does Digs keep up
Speaker 1: with that? I would think it'd be hard for one
Speaker 1: guy to cover him. Well, I mean, if if you're
Speaker 1: in the star coverage, and what we call star coverage
Speaker 1: is wherever he goes, you go, And it's really basically
Speaker 1: playing ten on ten because wherever wherever he goes, I'm going.
Speaker 1: He goes get water. I'm gonna get water, he gonna
Speaker 1: get a hot dog, I'm gonna get go. He gonna
Speaker 1: drain the main vein. I'm draining the main vane right
Speaker 1: next to him, in the next in the tall next
Speaker 1: to him. And that's just what it is. And I
Speaker 1: have other guys that may play a ten man type
Speaker 1: zone coverage because they're going this is what Sean mcvayh
Speaker 1: does pre snap, you can you can almost bet your
Speaker 1: bottom dollar and I'm I'm I'm willing to bet just
Speaker 1: about all the money that I have. Someone's moving pre snap.
Speaker 1: There will be some sort of motion, there will be
Speaker 1: some sort of shift. Now, granted that pre snap motion
Speaker 1: does one or two things. One helps the quarterback identify
Speaker 1: what covered you're in. If when he emotions and that
Speaker 1: guy goes with him ding ding ding ding ding, it
Speaker 1: is man to man coverage if he emotions, and that
Speaker 1: thing just shifts over zone coverage, and now the quarterback knows,
Speaker 1: all right, zone covers, here are my reads and zone coverage.
Speaker 1: The second thing that it does is if I do
Speaker 1: pre snap motion and time it up with the snap
Speaker 1: once he crossed. So let me just pay a picture
Speaker 1: for you. Whenever you see a guy start from one
Speaker 1: end of the formation, you don't change the strength of
Speaker 1: the formation until he passes the center. So when you
Speaker 1: marry the snap count with the motion, when he crosses
Speaker 1: the center, the strength now changes. So I want to
Speaker 1: catch linebackers and linemen shifting to the new strength on
Speaker 1: the snap count. What does that do from my offensive lineman?
Speaker 1: That gives me a half a step, half an inch.
Speaker 1: Whatever has to be on hooking the block, getting the block,
Speaker 1: catching those guys in that rotation. So that's what that
Speaker 1: pre snap motion does. But Nate, is this an assignment?
Speaker 1: Four guy like Stefan Stefan, excuse me? His brother Trayvon Digs.
Speaker 1: Where you say, dude, does Diggs come to him and say, coach, nah,
Speaker 1: I want him? Na? No? No, is he that kind
Speaker 1: of corner? He's growing like that? But no, But this
Speaker 1: this is my thing, Jess, And this is what And
Speaker 1: I'm glad you explained a little bit of what. When
Speaker 1: you ask a dude to shadow like that, you're asking
Speaker 1: your other four or five dbs. With linebackers, they have
Speaker 1: to make the ultimate adjustment to what type of zone
Speaker 1: we are going to play in and when that strength change, everybody,
Speaker 1: this is four or five guys got to change their
Speaker 1: thoughts like that, and it don't always work. I would
Speaker 1: let him go in motion. I would let him do
Speaker 1: his thing. If I'm not gonna belicheck him. We talked
Speaker 1: about this off. If I'm not gonna put two guys
Speaker 1: up there when he comes to this side, I'm putting
Speaker 1: two guys up there on him, you know, expending a
Speaker 1: third down situation. You know what, if Alan Robinson can't
Speaker 1: beat us with that one man on him, we're gonna
Speaker 1: find out. We know the tight end. It's tough, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bump him coming off the line to get
Speaker 1: you know, I'm an I'm gonna make this dude. If
Speaker 1: you want this dude that bad, I'm gonna take him away.
Speaker 1: Coaches people think that's crazy, but better check is done
Speaker 1: at a thousand times his first initial read. He gonna
Speaker 1: be taken away and he gonna have to continue to move,
Speaker 1: I mean none stop. So sometimes it calls for a
Speaker 1: radical movement. Yeah, you used to say that Dion would
Speaker 1: sometimes take the number two receivers. Yeah, I'm shutting him
Speaker 1: down by myself. The rest of you guys hand on
Speaker 1: the guys. I don't I don't know how they The
Speaker 1: thing is, Sean McVay is so crafty. I wonder if
Speaker 1: his if his offense is too too tough to learn sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, And what is keep my question to you, Jesse,
Speaker 1: what is keeping Alan Robinson from flourishing when we've seen
Speaker 1: receivers coming there and flourished man. Wood was flourished in there.
Speaker 1: What's the guy heard? You know from the giant They
Speaker 1: flourished man. What is keeping him from flourishing? You know
Speaker 1: when Robert Woods he was so good because he had
Speaker 1: been in that offense for a long time, when he
Speaker 1: was one of the ones who kind of grew up
Speaker 1: in the offense. I think Odell Odell Beckham is just
Speaker 1: a unique talent. Um. We we we sometimes we missed
Speaker 1: the greatness of guys like TiO. We missed the greatness
Speaker 1: of guys like Odell Beckham des Bryant because it's overshadowed
Speaker 1: by their personality or their their antics, and so we
Speaker 1: sometimes labeled them. But we missed a partner. You know what,
Speaker 1: Till's a smart football player. Ut Beckham could be a
Speaker 1: really smart football player. Um. You know, I was in
Speaker 1: a when we're in Minnesota with TiO and just listening
Speaker 1: and with he on the backseat of the car driving
Speaker 1: to to to Marry Street the rule and listening to
Speaker 1: him breakdown offenses and and talk about it. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: let's do this. All you know is you see the bicycle,
Speaker 1: you see the ads in the front yard. You're thinking, like,
Speaker 1: all this guy's he's he's a he's a cancer. He's
Speaker 1: gonna not be like nah, He's intelligent as hell. He
Speaker 1: understands football. He knows you don't. You don't get a
Speaker 1: green green jacket. You don't get a gold jacket without
Speaker 1: having the skill set and then being able to have
Speaker 1: the knowledge of the game. So it's sometimes you have
Speaker 1: to kind of find your rhythm in an offense and
Speaker 1: for for a guy like uh and this is also important,
Speaker 1: people sometimes feel the missed this. Last year you heard
Speaker 1: guys like Cooper, Cooper Cup and Matthew Stafford. They have
Speaker 1: this thing called the Breakfast Clubs where they meet every
Speaker 1: single morning at six am. And this is before anybody else. Yes,
Speaker 1: and they're watching now. I don't know Alan Robinson. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Ali Robinsons an't making these but what
Speaker 1: I do know is that Cooper Cup and Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: has had this routine for a very long time. And
Speaker 1: when things aren't going well at times, you tend to
Speaker 1: lean back on the things that you're comfortable with. And
Speaker 1: that's the guy that I've been sitting up with every
Speaker 1: every day at six am. And the breakfast club, learning
Speaker 1: and watching film with so you have this tendency just
Speaker 1: to go to that guy a lot more. Now, all
Speaker 1: Robinson could be right there. He seemed like the kind
Speaker 1: of guy who would be there. But it's all about
Speaker 1: him finding his place in this offense his first year there,
Speaker 1: and he's had some good games, he's had some opportunities
Speaker 1: to do some things for them. Uh. And this is
Speaker 1: the thing that we need to watch as well, because
Speaker 1: Sean McVay understands and knows that this league is a
Speaker 1: league where you're going to have to make adjustments. And
Speaker 1: Sean McVay also knows that Dan quinn is not gonna
Speaker 1: let you just have Cooper Cup all day, all every day.
Speaker 1: So Higbee, and and and and Alan Robinson, this might
Speaker 1: be the game you guys get off because some teams
Speaker 1: are gonna start taking Cooper up a cup away. True,
Speaker 1: I don't see how they don't. I mean, like you
Speaker 1: said before, you can take a guy out of the game.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know anybody else. Somebody's done it yet.
Speaker 1: The thing is, you just gotta have the faith that
Speaker 1: your other guys gonna do the assignments when you when
Speaker 1: you started shattering guys. And you know, I got this
Speaker 1: from Larry Brown and guys that have played with Dion.
Speaker 1: And when you started shattering guys, the other five of
Speaker 1: the seas guys that's left to play that zone or
Speaker 1: to play the other man, because you have to be
Speaker 1: on point, because that's when you see, oh, I must
Speaker 1: was a blown coverage guy. You finally got five yards
Speaker 1: down and feeling somebody just standing over there, you know,
Speaker 1: by themselves, because everybody's not on the same page. When
Speaker 1: when coach McVay figure it out, Robin Alison, them both together,
Speaker 1: Alan Robinson, excuse me, when they both figured out on
Speaker 1: one another, It's gonna be an explosion. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: an explosive. What do you think about the athletic kind
Speaker 1: of article today about the Cowboys last year led in
Speaker 1: the league in like man coverage forty percent or something
Speaker 1: like that. This year they dropped it back to like
Speaker 1: twenty seven percent man covers. They're playing much more zone.
Speaker 1: And the theory and the article was that because the
Speaker 1: offense isn't as explosive, they're trying to slow the defensive down.
Speaker 1: Defense the opponents offense down by keeping them in front
Speaker 1: of them in front of them, making them go work
Speaker 1: harder to get down the field. Is that do you
Speaker 1: think that's true? And is that something they should the
Speaker 1: defense should continue to do. I don't have an answer
Speaker 1: for that because I know that our offense is doing
Speaker 1: everything any candicate to try defense, So I don't know
Speaker 1: I'm much that's true. I have to probably talk to
Speaker 1: some scouts, to a coach you too, because they may
Speaker 1: feel like their players, who they have is those type
Speaker 1: of guys. But then again, knowing Q as smart as
Speaker 1: he is, let's give them something to look at this
Speaker 1: first half of the season. Then we're gonna come back
Speaker 1: to our own the second half of the season, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So he could be playing the
Speaker 1: mind game. They're scouting themselves too. The good ones do,
Speaker 1: the great ones do. And another thing is when you're
Speaker 1: getting that much pressure up front, yes you kind of
Speaker 1: you kind of want more guys. I want more guys
Speaker 1: with eyes on the football and zone coverage because that
Speaker 1: ball is gonna come out much quicker. So if I
Speaker 1: know that I'm creating that pressure four front, five guys,
Speaker 1: because if I'm when you when you when you're when
Speaker 1: you're a blitz, heavy team that puts a lot of
Speaker 1: guys in man to man and if those guys don't
Speaker 1: make the play, it's a big play everything time. But
Speaker 1: if I'm getting pressure, if I'm creating pressure with just
Speaker 1: my front four, now I know that ball is coming out.
Speaker 1: And for the Cowboys, this this ball is coming out
Speaker 1: a snap faster with the way these guys are being
Speaker 1: have been been able to bring pressure. So what I
Speaker 1: want now was I want guys to see the ball
Speaker 1: being snapped. I want guys to see the pressure being happening,
Speaker 1: and I want God to be able to react off
Speaker 1: the ball. When you go back and you watch what
Speaker 1: the legion of Boom was like, that was a lot
Speaker 1: of that was a lot of Cover three coverage, a
Speaker 1: lot of Cover three coverage that those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, he kept his eyes in the backfield. The
Speaker 1: safety Earl Thomas was a free rover back there. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's how they created a lot of those things.
Speaker 1: They're like, listen, we want you to see the football.
Speaker 1: We want you to see that when the ball comes out,
Speaker 1: you're going to make the play. If you go back
Speaker 1: and you look at the Trayvon Diggs interception last week
Speaker 1: um who lined up against him uh Jehan Dodson and
Speaker 1: they ran the go route, go back and watch it.
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs never looked at the receiver, never looked at
Speaker 1: the receiver. He was about seven to eight yards off,
Speaker 1: and the entire time he said, I'm giving you anything
Speaker 1: you want in front of me, but I would keep
Speaker 1: my eye in the backfelt and when he goes to
Speaker 1: throw it, he just looked, look opened up, still looking back.
Speaker 1: Ball came. He said, okay, like he didn't I point it.
Speaker 1: He caught it like he was a passing ye. Even
Speaker 1: though that was and that they were one on one
Speaker 1: down the field. It started as a zone. That's three,
Speaker 1: that's cover three. He was just sitting back there in
Speaker 1: the zone saying, anything underneath, my guy's gonna undercut it.
Speaker 1: I'll play, I'll tackle anything underneath. I just can't let
Speaker 1: them good by me. We had a free state in
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. He just watched it, watched it,
Speaker 1: watched it. She because man to man, man to man,
Speaker 1: I'm here with you. I'm right here, Boom. But when
Speaker 1: it's covered three, it's a zone, I just know I
Speaker 1: got all the way to an infinity back that way.
Speaker 1: So all right, we'll take a break, we'll come back.
Speaker 1: We'll finish this thing up. Man, talk a little bit
Speaker 1: more schooling Jesse cowboys schooling Jesse schooling. This is teaching school.
Speaker 1: That's the old school school in Zaddy, old school. You
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Speaker 1: that's to day. No. No, no, this come learning, starting
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Speaker 1: Back to Hanging with the Boys. Welcome back to Hanging
Speaker 1: with the Boys. In our final segment on this here,
Speaker 1: Thirsty Thursday, the Cowboys are preparing to take on the
Speaker 1: Loss Angelus. Keep going to say, Saint Louis Los Angelus
Speaker 1: ravs this Sunday? What time they played Kurt three twenty
Speaker 1: five y twenty five? Is it a home away game?
Speaker 1: I gotta you last year for not knowing what a
Speaker 1: game was that look at me not no man, and
Speaker 1: I could have swore that game was here. I mean
Speaker 1: I could have swore it. Man. Wow, Can I ask
Speaker 1: a question that based on something, or you got a
Speaker 1: direction you want to go, you gotta you gotta be
Speaker 1: the em zaddy. We've talked about this a couple of
Speaker 1: times earlier. You mentioned that that McVeigh has been able
Speaker 1: to when strategizing and what he's gonna do with this
Speaker 1: officer to the line, he's self scouted himself. And then
Speaker 1: you just mentioned again with our guys self scouting what
Speaker 1: the defense is doing. How we talk about all the
Speaker 1: time scouting the other team. But how important is it
Speaker 1: to be able to scout yourself and be good at it?
Speaker 1: That that's that is when you can see, when you
Speaker 1: can see what another coach see about you, that mean
Speaker 1: you just ahead of the game. As soon as they
Speaker 1: try to adjust you already you already making the move.
Speaker 1: You are and you don't have to change right away.
Speaker 1: As soon as they think they tweak you. You you boom,
Speaker 1: We already felt us we are let's go. And now
Speaker 1: that throws the other team in disarray. And you we
Speaker 1: used to do this big time, and it was always
Speaker 1: talked about at the halfway point of the season before
Speaker 1: they started all these buys. You know, everybody at UH
Speaker 1: you know, the halfway point of the season they bringing
Speaker 1: their scouting department in everybody just diving. Who are we?
Speaker 1: What we've shown people the first seven to eight games,
Speaker 1: You know what, who are we? What can we do
Speaker 1: to change? And what can we tweet? You didn't do
Speaker 1: no whole sale change. It's just just something. Here's something
Speaker 1: there to make give you a different look at different blitz,
Speaker 1: a different run pattern, a different route pattern here and there.
Speaker 1: It was nothing big, but just something that you can
Speaker 1: adjust during the season, you know, or something that like
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. We keep saying this kid gonna get slowed down,
Speaker 1: but it's just somebody to do it. Yeah. And it's
Speaker 1: also the ability to swallow your pride. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: biggest thing when it comes like like believe it or not,
Speaker 1: Kurt ny people family. We try to say that players,
Speaker 1: and I admit as a former receiver, we are the
Speaker 1: devas of all divas. But we try to say players
Speaker 1: are prideful people. Those dark coaches are some prideful stubborn
Speaker 1: s obs. They they they have a style, they have
Speaker 1: a way about going things, and they don't deviate from that.
Speaker 1: The really good ones, the really, really really good ones,
Speaker 1: are the ones who can look at themselves in the
Speaker 1: mirror and go that's not working, or ask for help
Speaker 1: or say we need to change this. But a lot
Speaker 1: of times they just won't. They just they will keep
Speaker 1: banging their head against the door and they'll hit'll what
Speaker 1: they'll say. They'll say, well, we need to execute patter
Speaker 1: we heard about for ten years. Remember where that for
Speaker 1: ten years? No no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: You have to be you have to be honest with
Speaker 1: self and go, this ain't working. I need to change
Speaker 1: what we do. And I'm not saying, like Nate said,
Speaker 1: my wholesale, but there needs to be a level of
Speaker 1: adjustment that is done to better put our players in
Speaker 1: a lot of time, it comes down to coaching and
Speaker 1: the really really really really really really really good ones,
Speaker 1: those who win consistently are able to self evaluate and say, hey,
Speaker 1: it starts with me, I need to be better. And
Speaker 1: that leads me to a comment that Kelly Moore made
Speaker 1: the other day in the media and they asked him about, um,
Speaker 1: do you have to that does it when it comes
Speaker 1: to running the football? Like do you have to force
Speaker 1: yourself to run the football? And Kelly Moore came out
Speaker 1: and just basically said it goes everything in me wants
Speaker 1: to pass the ball. Ye really, And what he said,
Speaker 1: it's a that's who I am. Yeah, so he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: like to run the football like I am a quarterback
Speaker 1: at heart. I'm paraphrasing the rest of it, but it
Speaker 1: was he basically said, I have to fight the urge
Speaker 1: to pass the football because everything in me wants to
Speaker 1: pass the football. And that's one that's okay, we understand that.
Speaker 1: But now that you know that, be willing to adjust
Speaker 1: and say, hey, maybe I shouldn't pass the ball. And
Speaker 1: I think you got a little bit pass happy last week.
Speaker 1: And when you look at this Rams offense, Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, he's going to sling the ball around
Speaker 1: around the park. And he's one of those quarterbacks. One interception,
Speaker 1: two interceptions, three interceptions, three sacks, four sacks, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He is coming at you again. He is relentless in
Speaker 1: trying to get the big play. So you always have
Speaker 1: to safeguard against that because he's not gonna get gunshot.
Speaker 1: Like he's the point in time if his career. He's like,
Speaker 1: I got a super Bowl, I got a bunch of
Speaker 1: yards accumulated. I'm just gonna slay this thing around the
Speaker 1: park and see if we can't go score thirty ball,
Speaker 1: See if we can't go score thirty points. And the
Speaker 1: cow the Cowboys defensively have to be ready for that. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent. Man. I just you know,
Speaker 1: the days of Marino was before his time. Marino was
Speaker 1: way because Marino would tell you, I mean he would
Speaker 1: Guys would come to Marino and say, hey, man, y'all
Speaker 1: rush for one hundred yards. Y'all really look balanced? He said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but we ain't winning les Marino slanging it
Speaker 1: so and he believed that. And this quarterbacks nowadays they
Speaker 1: believe that, and they want offensive coordinators who believe that.
Speaker 1: But the teams every year that make it to that
Speaker 1: big Dance, at some point sometime during that year they
Speaker 1: show the world that they can't run the ball. And
Speaker 1: they'll even have a playoff game or two. And it
Speaker 1: may not be the running back running the ball, maybe
Speaker 1: the quarterback, but they're gonna have you believe in that.
Speaker 1: If you don't stay in your lanes as a defensive linement,
Speaker 1: somebody gonna take off on you. From this point of view, so, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I know what running is about. Running is
Speaker 1: only two things. Keep you in the red zone, and
Speaker 1: to keep you honest, to keep you down there inside
Speaker 1: that fire, inside that five, to keep you honest, and
Speaker 1: just to move the chains now. And that means you
Speaker 1: want to run the ball twenty to maybe twenty five
Speaker 1: times so the other fifty fifty five players can be successful.
Speaker 1: It's when you run that ball what counts more than
Speaker 1: just running it. You seem saying I got you, jests,
Speaker 1: I'm covering you before you when you got a team,
Speaker 1: thank you. When you got a team like this where
Speaker 1: their rushing attack isn't scary and and there their quarterbacks
Speaker 1: slings it around, is it better too? I mean, we're
Speaker 1: taking care of the running game. We're gonna shut We
Speaker 1: are shutting down that running game and take you know,
Speaker 1: let Stafford beat us or do you back off and say, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll give them their yards running, but we're gonna make
Speaker 1: sure that we cover back from Stafford. Now, you, if
Speaker 1: they control a line of scrimmage, you control the game. Yes, No,
Speaker 1: I don't care what. I don't care what scheme you run.
Speaker 1: I try the team you are. If that defense controls
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, they control the game. Because tons.
Speaker 1: To Nate's point, we haven't stopped the run. True, Like
Speaker 1: we give up a hundred yards at halftime last week
Speaker 1: against the Washington Football well, a beat up offensive line.
Speaker 1: Do you think they are not gonna check that again
Speaker 1: this week? You think they don't go back and saying,
Speaker 1: let's see if they self scotted themselves, let's see if
Speaker 1: they got this thing locked down. They're gonna try it.
Speaker 1: They are definitely going to try it. But if you
Speaker 1: lose that line of scrimmage and they're able to to
Speaker 1: to to if you just willingly give them a line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, that's bad for business. You you, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with Nate. Now you have to you have
Speaker 1: to at least show them that you're willing to run
Speaker 1: and try to maintain the line of scrimmage, at least
Speaker 1: have it be a wash. But they control line. Any
Speaker 1: team that controls the line of scrimmage controls the game.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. Two plays, two plays that
Speaker 1: I know that coach McCarthy and Kellum can't get out
Speaker 1: of their mind is they saw their quarterback have to
Speaker 1: throw off of his back foot twice and it was
Speaker 1: disastrous and I promise you they are thinking about do
Speaker 1: you see that? Do you do you see that? I'm
Speaker 1: telling you they ain't forgetting that because you have grand
Speaker 1: gamers and the baddest man on the planet in football
Speaker 1: number ninety nine, mister all world coming at you, my
Speaker 1: man Crush Monday. Yeah, yeah, you got him coming at you.
Speaker 1: And it don't matter who you put it left guard,
Speaker 1: it don't matter. He's got something for all of them.
Speaker 1: So understand that. How do you slow him down? Fake
Speaker 1: like you're gonna run. You're gonna to do some screens.
Speaker 1: I would screw anything. We might be the worst screen
Speaker 1: team in the National force. Yeah, and we won't even
Speaker 1: do it with But I have to try. I have
Speaker 1: to try. Well, we tried, We tried today. We tried today.
Speaker 1: I think we did a good effort. But we're getting
Speaker 1: up out of here, and the crew is waiting to
Speaker 1: jump in here here earlier again and no earlier the
Speaker 1: day like we like, we don't get off. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do what we do regardless, man. But tomorrow we're taking
Speaker 1: phone calls. Yes, sir, fans were computer no no no, no,
Speaker 1: computer got his time to what's some new fans of
Speaker 1: calling on Friday, Freaky Friday. We're taking call tomorrow, so
Speaker 1: have your questions ready for our call. Time to marra.
Speaker 1: We'll give our predictions, we'll break this thing down. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have some fun. That is Big Daddy, Nate Newton.
Speaker 1: This is medium Zaddy. Kurt Daniels. I am vie Zaddy
Speaker 1: looking to be a house husband. Jesse. Thank you with
Speaker 1: the boys. Thank you for joining us. See you guys
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