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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about what your thoughts are

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Speaker 2: of that three I Atlas comment that is passing, you know,

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Speaker 2: through the Milky Way from parts unknown, and the thought

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Speaker 2: that maybe perhaps this is like that that other big

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Speaker 2: asteroid that people from Harvard have said, Well, it might

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Speaker 2: just be an observation ship disguised as a big rock.

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Speaker 2: This seems like it's moving in a way that is

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Speaker 2: quicker than most comets or asteroids. It seems like it's

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Speaker 2: reflecting light differently, and it's his trajectory is a lot different.

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Speaker 2: What do you know, what do you make of all that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I am following it. You know, with the limited

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Speaker 3: amount of data that we get access to, it is

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Speaker 3: an intriguing event that you know, doesn't really get a

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Speaker 3: lot of support other than you know, a few people

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Speaker 3: with credentials ov Vilobe and such, so you know it

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Speaker 3: is something to keep on the radar. But what I

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Speaker 3: would say, from a more grounded answer from my own

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Speaker 3: experience is just you know, over time, there's been a

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Speaker 3: lot of these flags that get put on the field.

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Speaker 3: Look over here right, or this is about to happen.

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Speaker 3: Usually any type of predicted event just doesn't take place. Now,

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Speaker 3: having said that, you know, what we have here is

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Speaker 3: a really interesting you know, when we analyze what we're

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Speaker 3: hearing in this article, there's two sides. There's someone who's

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Speaker 3: never really been exposed to eufology and might hear this

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Speaker 3: and be like, oh my god, how can this be

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Speaker 3: what is happening? And it brings them in the other

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Speaker 3: side is someone who's already aware of the eufhological mystery

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Speaker 3: of what's going on, and we've seen this type of

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Speaker 3: thing played out before, even to the fact that there

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Speaker 3: are documents from you know, various organizations like MJ twelve

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Speaker 3: things in the past that have predicted how things will

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Speaker 3: play out if there were to ever be let's say,

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Speaker 3: a staged alien event.

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Speaker 2: Ah. So this could be from the other side, if

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Speaker 2: you were a if you're jaded of a UFO researcher're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: here we go. They're starting to bring out the old chestnuts.

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Speaker 2: This is exactly where it's supposed to roll out exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's it's one of those old chestnuts that if it

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Speaker 3: does play out, you know, we're kind of ready for

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Speaker 3: that hand to be played. I mean ready in the

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Speaker 3: sense that we would be aware that like, wow, this

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Speaker 3: is this is happening. But that's not to say that

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Speaker 3: it couldn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we have I know, the speculation and

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Speaker 2: this is not really you know, your your strong suit,

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Speaker 2: but you know, we're just meeting each other. So you know,

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Speaker 2: if we were having a drink in a bar, I

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Speaker 2: would ask you this too. Do you think that we

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Speaker 2: or anybody has good enough hologram technology to make pretty

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Speaker 2: much look like anything in the sky that they want?

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Speaker 3: I would say, of course, And that that could also

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Speaker 3: caveat into another like headline piece for tonight, which is

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Speaker 3: you know, the term UAP is meant to replace the

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Speaker 3: traditional UFO. UAP is a more technical term to describe

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Speaker 3: aerial phenomena. And the latest things that we have coming

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Speaker 3: out of that voice are new leaked footage called tetra

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Speaker 3: based UFO. So I would say that some of the

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Speaker 3: footage and things that we're getting are leading us to

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Speaker 3: you know, some broader answers and probably more questions.

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Speaker 2: It seems like everything now is born from social media

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Speaker 2: instead of we're not waiting for CNN, where we watch

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Speaker 2: our Instagram now, So then I guess my question for you,

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Speaker 2: being somebody who's been researching this for a long time,

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Speaker 2: somebody like me that's always been interested but kind of

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Speaker 2: comes from a little bit of a skeptic kind of angle.

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Speaker 2: How do I know what to look for that's got

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Speaker 2: some meat on the bones and what's just total I

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Speaker 2: don't know, AI foolery or camera tricks are just maybe

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Speaker 2: something old that isn't how what do you look for

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Speaker 2: to see if it feels like it might be something

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, there's there's definitely some patterns that are starting

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Speaker 3: to develop that are interesting. You know, I have kind

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Speaker 3: of a set opinion on the release of this type

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Speaker 3: of data. And over the years, we've had government task

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Speaker 3: get a clear picture from these reports. So the latest

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Speaker 3: into the eufology topic. The footage that we get, first

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Speaker 2: It's the it's the the Navy satellite shadow of a

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Speaker 2: top that you see. It's not like Independence Day.

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 3: But the first round of stuff that we got recently

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Speaker 3: this gimbal footage, and what you see there are aerial

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Speaker 3: aeronautics and flight capabilities, and so that opens up the

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Speaker 3: topic of course too extraterrestrials. And so when we see

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Speaker 3: this footage of like the TIC tac zipping around, we

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Speaker 3: hear the pilots talking about their experience. On top of that,

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Speaker 3: we're getting layered new data. This new leaked tetra UAP

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Speaker 3: is visual as well as radar paired data of these objects,

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Speaker 3: and so you know, some of this stuff, I would say,

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Speaker 3: of a very technological presence that is not alien. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's most likely the top three aerospace companies which I'm

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Speaker 3: not even going to name them, you know, buzzing around

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that they're manned, right, just because of

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Speaker 2: what they talk about is that they're doing speeds that

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Speaker 2: man nobody could survive. No human could survive, right, so

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Speaker 2: they're laying it out that, well, then it must be

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Speaker 2: an alien flying it, but it could just be really

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Speaker 2: advanced technology that nobody knows about, including the military. But

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Speaker 2: you know, somebody knows about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so you know what's happening, Rich, is they're

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Speaker 3: for ufologists to understand where does this line stop, where

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Speaker 3: they're starting to finally release you know, the last wave

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Speaker 3: it was essentially the F one seventeen and the B

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Speaker 3: two stealth technology. Sure, I mean that's a long time ago, right, So.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe the drone technology because you see, you know

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Speaker 2: I live in Phoenix where the Phoenix Lights happened, and

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Speaker 2: been lines of drones at that point. And that was

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Speaker 3: That's a good point. And so this latest footage that

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Speaker 3: we have of these Tetra class UAP again are showing

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Speaker 3: they're like talking in little groups, and then come back

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Speaker 3: using Gen three night vision military grade goggles. You can

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Speaker 3: and I use a megawatt laser to point it stuff.

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Speaker 3: Every single night, Rich, I see these Tetra class I

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Speaker 3: don't know what they are. I've never known to call

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Speaker 3: think it's an interesting thing to start to talk about

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Speaker 3: that even some of these new UAP sightings, what they

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Speaker 3: look like, their capabilities, These craft have been sighted for

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Speaker 3: thousands of years. All the other cultures have the same

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Speaker 2: We'll get to all that. We're going to get to

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Speaker 2: all that tonight, for sure. And I've heard so many

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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like an optical illusion. It just seems

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Speaker 3: Pretty much pretty much. I mean, I'm it's it's you

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Speaker 2: Well, now let's get a little metaphysical here. So I'm

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Speaker 3: You know, Stephen Greer and the CE five initiative, there

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Speaker 2: You've been doing Ancient Aliens for what ten, twelve years

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Speaker 2: or six maybe longer sixteen? Okay, So the one thing

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Speaker 2: show on TV, Ancient Aliens, and probably why I'm sitting

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Speaker 2: here tonight because that's whenever I see George. That's why

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Speaker 2: I talked to him about. But one of the things

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Speaker 2: I think about is we give a lot of credit

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Speaker 2: We give a lot of alien tech credit for that.

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Speaker 2: Are we ignoring perhaps some really advanced Earth civilizations that

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Speaker 2: how to replicate, and just calling it alien in some

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Speaker 2: cases are in a lot of cases, well, when.

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Speaker 3: We use the word we were probably referencing the term

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Speaker 3: of ancient alien's mindset. I, in my own independent analysis

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Speaker 3: speak of research of of course alien civilizations, but also

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Speaker 3: a lost technological civilization here on Earth. Over thirty ancient

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Speaker 3: cultures reference some lost technological presence. I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 3: The Mayans talk about their world of where their gods

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Speaker 3: that sounds very similar to Atlantis. Atslan Atlantis. So you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of these similarities that speak of some

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Speaker 3: haven't found them. But if you look at the brilliance

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Speaker 3: an example, their codeses and their brilliant art and architecture.

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Speaker 3: Where did they get all this? Most likely some of

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Speaker 3: this lost technological culture. Both are interesting stories to pursue.

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure, for sure. And the similarities between the pyramids,

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Speaker 2: and the similarities between even the boats that you find

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Speaker 3: It is, and I mean as a skeptic. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: around the world rich, you know, they speak of a

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Speaker 3: time after the Great Flood where these teachers pretty much

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Speaker 3: show up across all the different contents and teach them

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Speaker 3: how to build architecture, astronomy, agriculture. And you know, we

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Speaker 3: still try to figure out, like who these people were.

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Speaker 3: Could they have been actual giants, some larger race of beings.

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Speaker 3: We still don't know those answers, but there's enough evidence

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Speaker 3: of the monuments, you know, left around the world that

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Speaker 3: speak of a time when man seemed to live amongst

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Speaker 3: beings that they considered gods.

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