Speaker 1: Welcome to Force Multiplier, a new podcast about leveling up
Speaker 1: the impact we can have in the world through our relationships.
Speaker 1: I'm barretton Day Thurston and in collaboration with I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio and Salesforce dot Org, I sit with leaders from
Speaker 1: across the public, private, and nonprofit world who are forging
Speaker 1: partnerships to tackle some of the toughest challenges facing us today.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Force Multiplier. It's our final episode of
Speaker 1: the season and we decided to close on a big one,
Speaker 1: climate action. I'm so excited for this episode. You don't
Speaker 1: even know now you already do know that we're in
Speaker 1: a state of climate emergency. According to the National Oceanic
Speaker 1: and Atmospheric Administration, global temperatures in July well higher than
Speaker 1: in any other July on record, making it the hottest
Speaker 1: month the world has seen since we started keeping records
Speaker 1: back in eight That's the wrong kind of first place finish.
Speaker 1: The latest U WIN I p c C report concludes
Speaker 1: that it's unequivocal that human influence has warmed our atmosphere, oceans,
Speaker 1: and land. Food accounts for over twenty of global greenhouse
Speaker 1: gas emissions, with animal based foods having a higher footprint
Speaker 1: than the plant based ones, and the u AND expects
Speaker 1: a fift increase in food demand by putting even more
Speaker 1: stressed on are already breaking ecosystems. But you don't need
Speaker 1: to read reports to understand the impact. Maybe you felt
Speaker 1: the record breaking heat wave in the Pacific Northwest, or
Speaker 1: stopped watering your lawn due to the Minnesota drought. Maybe
Speaker 1: you fled the fires in California or had your Appalachian
Speaker 1: sunsets affected by its smoke. Maybe you slept in your
Speaker 1: car to stay warm during the Texas freeze, or if
Speaker 1: simply seeing the flood of migrants crossing the Southern border.
Speaker 1: All these extreme events are ascerbated by climate change. So
Speaker 1: what do we do well? We do everything. Tax corporations
Speaker 1: based on their carbon emissions something seventy of American support.
Speaker 1: Electrify our homes and transportation, and use renewables to power
Speaker 1: the grid. Vote for politicians who will pursue these policies.
Speaker 1: But we should also enlist the help of our most
Speaker 1: powerful ally. I'm not talking about the United Kingdom, I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about Wakanda. I'm talking about nature. Conserving ecosystems
Speaker 1: is often more cost effective and just more effective than
Speaker 1: human made interventions. Tropical forests are really good at storing carbon,
Speaker 1: providing at least a third of the mitigation action we
Speaker 1: need to prevent the worst climate change scenarios. Changing the
Speaker 1: diet we feed our livestock can reduce their methane emissions.
Speaker 1: Yet nature based solutions only receive three of all climate funding.
Speaker 1: And don't get me started on the power of soil
Speaker 1: to help save us if we change how we farm
Speaker 1: from the industrial chemical methods to regenerative and organic ones.
Speaker 1: Actually give me started, because that's what we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about in this episode. First, we're gonna hear from Jennifer Morris,
Speaker 1: CEO of the Nature Conservancy. With a career dedicated to
Speaker 1: protecting the environment, Jen understands what's bad for nature is
Speaker 1: also bad for business, as she shares, change at a
Speaker 1: meaningful scale cannot be achieved by one organization alone. This
Speaker 1: spirit of collaboration is part of the Nature Conservancy's DNA,
Speaker 1: and for tangible, lasting results, the world needs such radical
Speaker 1: collaboration across sectors, across poliefs, and across knowledge basis. Then,
Speaker 1: later in the episode, I'm Gonna sit with burg It Cameron,
Speaker 1: head of Patagonia Provisions a division of Pedagonia Works. Burgen
Speaker 1: and I discussed the role that nature and specifically soil
Speaker 1: can play in saving our planet. With a focus on
Speaker 1: sustainable ingredients, burg It shares how supporting regenerative farming practices
Speaker 1: that rebuild toil health can promote biodiversity and capture carbon
Speaker 1: from the atmosphere. Plus it makes for more delicious food,
Speaker 1: which is like the whole point of food. Now. Research
Speaker 1: suggested adopting techniques like these can mitigate and even reverse
Speaker 1: climate change. All right, let's go save the world. I
Speaker 1: would say that the greatest threat facing climate action is
Speaker 1: actually in action, the inability of companies, governments, individual citizens
Speaker 1: to really recognize the existential threat that is climate change.
Speaker 1: It's not something that's going to happen to our kids,
Speaker 1: it's something that's happening now. As CEO of the Nature Conservancy,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Morris is responsible for leading the largest environmental nonprofit
Speaker 1: organization in the Americans. With a focus on deploying solutions
Speaker 1: that maximize nature's own ability to fight climate change, the
Speaker 1: Nature Conservancy has grown to become one of the most
Speaker 1: effective and wide reaching environmental organizations in the world. The
Speaker 1: Nature Conservancy is an organization that started seventy years ago,
Speaker 1: and it really started as a land trust organization helping
Speaker 1: people in the United States to protect lands that they
Speaker 1: held dear in their neighborhoods. And these were lands that
Speaker 1: had beautiful views, that had gorgeous forests, that had streams
Speaker 1: or rivers running through them. And since then we have
Speaker 1: really expanded that original ethos of protecting lands and waters
Speaker 1: and oceans to think about the drivers of loss of
Speaker 1: those lands. So it's not just about protection, it's also
Speaker 1: about stopping the law. So how do we address food systems?
Speaker 1: How do we make sure that we're growing food on
Speaker 1: land that's already been degraded instead of on new lands
Speaker 1: where we have to cut forests down to grow crops.
Speaker 1: How do we make sure that climate change does not
Speaker 1: impact where nature has to live. How do we stop
Speaker 1: climate change and actually adapt to climate change? To make
Speaker 1: sure that coastal communities from Rhode Island to South Africa
Speaker 1: have the right nature in place on the coast to
Speaker 1: protect people from rising seas. So we went from this
Speaker 1: organization that was small and scrappy to one that I
Speaker 1: would say is still extremely innovative. Is using the best
Speaker 1: in class science and financial mechanisms, and now we're forty
Speaker 1: five hundred people working in over seventy countries and really
Speaker 1: still have deep roots in the United States. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm particularly proud of is how
Speaker 1: do we ensure that our work is a force multiplier
Speaker 1: is working with people who are often seen as outside
Speaker 1: the environmental movement. Our movement has been unfortunately seen as
Speaker 1: a wealthy, white person's movement, and that is something that
Speaker 1: I take extremely seriously and in pushing as hard as
Speaker 1: I can, both within and externally to bring in new people,
Speaker 1: new audiences, new actors, and making sure that we're promoting
Speaker 1: the next generation of conservationists that look more like the
Speaker 1: global community. And that is something that is not only
Speaker 1: right to do, but we'll make our organization stronger because
Speaker 1: we'll be more diverse in ideas and thoughts and simply
Speaker 1: be more representative of the global environment in which we
Speaker 1: all live. I would say what we're getting right when
Speaker 1: it comes to climate action is clearly the renewable energy
Speaker 1: revolution is a step in the right direction. We need
Speaker 1: to go faster to achieve the goals under Paris, but
Speaker 1: we're seeing real change in renewable energy, especially in the
Speaker 1: transportation sector. The market is catching up. The price of
Speaker 1: gas is actually more expensive per unit in many places
Speaker 1: than it is for renewable energy. What we're not quite
Speaker 1: getting right, however, is really what I said my day
Speaker 1: working on, which is nature. And the reality is if
Speaker 1: we all go on renewable energy in our transportation, how
Speaker 1: we fly, how we drive, before all renewable energy tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and we don't address the drivers of deforestation and land use,
Speaker 1: we will never achieve our goals under the Paris Climate Accord,
Speaker 1: which is to keep global temperature change under two degrees
Speaker 1: ideally under one point five degrees celsius over pre industrial levels.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to agriculture, when it comes to
Speaker 1: the biggest drivers of loss of nature which directly link
Speaker 1: to climate change, that's where there's a lack of understanding.
Speaker 1: There's a lack of understanding of the connections between what
Speaker 1: we eat and how we farm and how we get
Speaker 1: timber and fuel, especially in countries in the developing world,
Speaker 1: that understanding of that connection, of the role of trees
Speaker 1: and forests in protecting us from climate change, as well
Speaker 1: as what happens when we don't protect them, and the
Speaker 1: actual adverse impacts on human society, not only from climate change,
Speaker 1: but also the loss of bid diversity and pollinators and watersheds,
Speaker 1: all of those things that we hold so dear. There
Speaker 1: is a lack of understanding still in that space. The
Speaker 1: consumer needs to, I think, really understand those connections between
Speaker 1: health and environment. For those of us that do have
Speaker 1: the option to eat lower on the food chain, if
Speaker 1: you will, that understanding of what we eat, what we
Speaker 1: put in our bodies is really really important. And there's
Speaker 1: so many resources out there available to folks to really
Speaker 1: understand the difference in the emissions for the production of
Speaker 1: a hamburger, for example, versus eating an impossible burger, or
Speaker 1: choose your favorite protein substitute. And I am certainly not
Speaker 1: going to advocate that everyone should go vegan tomorrow. I
Speaker 1: know that's just not a reality for a lot of people. However,
Speaker 1: we have to understand that we as humans are not
Speaker 1: separate from nature. We're part of it. We are absolutely
Speaker 1: inextricably linked to our natural environment and it really does matter.
Speaker 1: And mean, I think if there's anything that you can
Speaker 1: take away from this discussion today, it's that it's not
Speaker 1: out there, it's here, It's in your homes, it's in
Speaker 1: your bodies. You are part of this planet that we're
Speaker 1: all on, and every single action we take really does matter.
Speaker 1: There is no way that any person, any organization, no
Speaker 1: matter how well intentioned or how much money or access
Speaker 1: to power, etcetera, they have, if they're not involving the
Speaker 1: local community, it won't work. For me. Conservation is extremely hyperlocal,
Speaker 1: and I have worked throughout my career, both living in
Speaker 1: a small community in Namibia to my work throughout my
Speaker 1: career before I even came to the Nature Conservancy, on
Speaker 1: the basic premise that we need local people with local
Speaker 1: solutions driving local change. Now, sometimes they need help, and
Speaker 1: so that's where the Nature Conservancy and many of the
Speaker 1: other large organizations can come in and support. Ideally never compete,
Speaker 1: but support with financial resources, technical resources, opening doors and
Speaker 1: providing access to avenues that different groups may not have.
Speaker 1: So that is our etho at its core. It's not
Speaker 1: about parks and guards and keeping people out. It has
Speaker 1: to be about locally driven, locally supported solutions. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: radical collaboration on many fronts, and one I'll mention is
Speaker 1: actually within our own environmental community. I think it's interesting
Speaker 1: people often think, well, the environmental engineos. They must get along,
Speaker 1: they must all talk, they must share the same ethos.
Speaker 1: The reality is, at least in my career, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of competition between these groups. But I'm seeing a change.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing incredible collaboration amongst the large and small organizations
Speaker 1: to recognize, Look, we may have our differences, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're all growing in the
Speaker 1: same direction, and we've got to row faster, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna be much much faster if we can all row
Speaker 1: together as opposed to trying to compete with each other.
Speaker 1: And that is a really different day. That is radical.
Speaker 1: We are sharing donors, we are sharing ideas. People recognize
Speaker 1: that will just be stronger if we can stop competing
Speaker 1: and start working together. The reality is, if we as companies,
Speaker 1: we as governments, we as citizens don't move faster, we're
Speaker 1: going to spend all of our talent and treasure just
Speaker 1: dealing with the weather. And we're seeing it now. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're seeing hundred year storms happening every year, and the
Speaker 1: displacement of human populations as a result of this is
Speaker 1: going to be the sole focus of our humanity if
Speaker 1: we don't move faster. So while I appreciate the leadership
Speaker 1: that many countries are taking, the UK being the host
Speaker 1: of copy in Glasgow in just a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: They're coming out with some Bowld commitments with more financing
Speaker 1: and that's all really great, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's still incremental, and I think that they
Speaker 1: recognize that. But I would certainly say that we all
Speaker 1: have to push our leaders to do more. So what
Speaker 1: Greta has done, what so many youth activists are doing
Speaker 1: around the world, so many organizations, the force multiplier that
Speaker 1: is this podcast of getting the word out about these
Speaker 1: crisises and how we need to all come together to
Speaker 1: solve them. That is making a difference, But we have
Speaker 1: to shout louder and we have to do more. My
Speaker 1: greatest hope coming out of TOP is that we get
Speaker 1: rules for the market for carbon pricing and the ability
Speaker 1: of countries to be paid for the nature that sustains
Speaker 1: us all in terms of nature's intact ability to absorb carbon.
Speaker 1: So for so long nature has been giving us a
Speaker 1: free lunch. And the countries La Gabon, a lot of
Speaker 1: the Congo countries, Indonesia, Brazil, these countries have incredible carbon
Speaker 1: capture capabilities in their natural ecosystems. They're providing a service
Speaker 1: to the entire planet, and yet they're not being paid
Speaker 1: what they should be. So, as any country that needs
Speaker 1: to earn money for its citizens, those forests are being destroyed,
Speaker 1: so they must be compensated for the global gift of
Speaker 1: their natural capital. So if anything was to come out
Speaker 1: of the proceedings in Glasgow for me and for the
Speaker 1: Nature Conservancy, it would be that we have clear the
Speaker 1: rules of the road around markets and that countries with
Speaker 1: large intact ecosystems received the financial investment that their natural
Speaker 1: capital deserves. So another really important outcome of COP twenties
Speaker 1: six will be to ensure that the rights of indigenous
Speaker 1: people are embedded in any agreement that is developed, and
Speaker 1: that the ambitions of countries that have indigenous people, and
Speaker 1: most all do the rights of indigenous people are clearly
Speaker 1: recognized and the indigenous people are at the table when
Speaker 1: these decisions are being made about the climate crisis in
Speaker 1: their countries. Technology has a critical role to play when
Speaker 1: it comes to climate change, resilience and adaptation. So how
Speaker 1: do we ensure that we have the right levees and
Speaker 1: dikes and sea walls, but we also need to think
Speaker 1: about nature's technology and mangroves and grasslands, and of course
Speaker 1: eel grass and core ral reefs, which do a lot
Speaker 1: to protect us from rising seas and should be incorporated
Speaker 1: and are being incorporated in many places with what we
Speaker 1: call the gray technology. So gray and green together cement based,
Speaker 1: human based technology and nature's technology. So ensuring that we
Speaker 1: have both of those together is really really critical. I
Speaker 1: think that the forced multiplier for addressing the climate crisis
Speaker 1: is really the advocates for stopping deforestation in land use.
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because to actually
Speaker 1: bring us all together on the land use space, which
Speaker 1: is in some ways harder because historically we haven't paid
Speaker 1: for protecting intact ecosystems. We see those ecosystems as not worthy,
Speaker 1: as not providing us anything. And the reality is the
Speaker 1: force multiplier will be when we actually are able to
Speaker 1: invest in the protection of those resources and value those
Speaker 1: just as we would a farm or a building, because
Speaker 1: we recognize the value that those ecosystems are paying and
Speaker 1: playing in our lives and for the farms and other
Speaker 1: types of built environment, the pollinators that we get the
Speaker 1: access to a fresh water. All of those things are
Speaker 1: absolutely critical for us, and that is the force multiplier
Speaker 1: that will really enable us to achieve the goals under Paris.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this and you are interested in
Speaker 1: this topic, I would absolutely encourage you to read about
Speaker 1: everything you're eating and everything that you're thinking about in
Speaker 1: terms of consumption, and understand that everything you do as
Speaker 1: an individual matters. But as I think it was Thomas
Speaker 1: Freeman said, don't just change your lightbulbs, change your leaders,
Speaker 1: and so voting and ensuring that we have the right
Speaker 1: people in place to make decisions which will impact us all.
Speaker 1: If you're in a country that is democratic and you
Speaker 1: can vote, push for that, and push for voting rights overall,
Speaker 1: because if we lose our ability to free and fair
Speaker 1: elections here in the United States, that is going to
Speaker 1: change the trajectory of this planet. It all matters. So
Speaker 1: when you hear about a reversal of voting rights in
Speaker 1: your community and you have the opportunity to get involved,
Speaker 1: whether it's to give ten dollars to the local organization
Speaker 1: working to stop this, or can go out in the
Speaker 1: streets in march, do that, because if we lose that
Speaker 1: democratic right, we will not have the ability to ensure
Speaker 1: that this planet is on the right trajectory for ourselves
Speaker 1: now and of course for future generations. You're listening to
Speaker 1: a podcast called Force Multiplier, Action meets Impact. Now you've
Speaker 1: probably grown to expect ads inside your podcast, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna do something a little bit different to walk the walk.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and hear from one
Speaker 1: of the organizations featured in this episode. Be right back.
Speaker 1: Our individual voices are powerful, but not everything has a voice.
Speaker 1: We need to speak for those that can, for those
Speaker 1: in trouble, for those in need. Let us be a
Speaker 1: voice to the voiceless. The caretakers are home deserves. Let
Speaker 1: us speak for the ones that have no longers but
Speaker 1: that still hours with an Let us shout from the
Speaker 1: mountain tops that quench our first. If there's one thing
Speaker 1: we've learned, it's that when we all come together, the
Speaker 1: sky is this minute. It's time to speak up for nature.
Speaker 1: Hey you, it's Bartune Day, host of the podcast you're
Speaker 1: listening to right now. When I was a kid, my
Speaker 1: mom told me to come up with a system we
Speaker 1: could live under after democracy had failed. Yeah, my mom
Speaker 1: was intense. I haven't finished that assignment, but I did
Speaker 1: make a podcast. It's called how Do Citizen with Baritone Day.
Speaker 1: It reimagines citizen as a verb and reminds us how
Speaker 1: to wield our collective power. Find seasons one and two
Speaker 1: and whatever podcasts app using right now? And season three
Speaker 1: all about tech drops in October. Learn more at how
Speaker 1: does citizen dot Com? Now. Ashead of Patagonia Provisions, Burged
Speaker 1: Cameron believes in the power of consumer consciousness and the
Speaker 1: push for a more ethical and sustainable food system with
Speaker 1: a solutions based approach to addressing our planet's most urgent threat.
Speaker 1: Burg It is all about convincing others that what's good
Speaker 1: for nature can be good for business. Burg It you
Speaker 1: work for one of the coolest companies. I know. It's
Speaker 1: got an urgent, important, awesome mission to be in business
Speaker 1: to save our home planet. So very easily done. Probably
Speaker 1: should wrap that up in the next few fiscal quarters.
Speaker 1: And I know Patagonia for the poofy jackets, for the
Speaker 1: waterproof pants, for the outdoor gear, not for things I
Speaker 1: put in my body. Can you talk to me about
Speaker 1: what Patagonia Provisions is please? Absolutely, and thank you for
Speaker 1: having me here with you today. Such a pleasure. Well,
Speaker 1: I think you know it's really important given what you
Speaker 1: just said, to note that most people know Patagonia as
Speaker 1: an apparel company, but we really have been touching agriculture
Speaker 1: for almost fifty years now through Ulex, hamp wool and
Speaker 1: organic cotton. So understanding agriculture and the effects of climate
Speaker 1: egg in particular on our soils, water and air led
Speaker 1: us to the fact that food egg really is one
Speaker 1: of the biggest contributors to the climate issues that we're
Speaker 1: facing today, and we really couldn't stay away. We needed
Speaker 1: to do something about this. So the task given to
Speaker 1: me in by our founder Ivan Shinard was what would
Speaker 1: a food company look like for Patagonia. Patagonia provisions had
Speaker 1: to be built on rethinking our food supply chain, rethinking
Speaker 1: our food system, and understanding impact of this system on
Speaker 1: people and planet. So everything we make has a very
Speaker 1: deep reason for being. We start with the environmental problem
Speaker 1: that we're trying to solve, identify solutions that might help,
Speaker 1: and then develop products that helps scale those solutions. Using
Speaker 1: science as our compass, and then working with top scientists,
Speaker 1: researchers and other industry experts, we draw upon their latest
Speaker 1: knowledge and innovation and then steer towards this solutions based
Speaker 1: food economy. Yeah, you said, solution based food economy, which
Speaker 1: makes me hungry and sounds delicious. And I choose the
Speaker 1: word delicious purposefully because I've had a lot of outdoor
Speaker 1: food that come into little packages and they're too dry,
Speaker 1: too truy, too bland most of the time. But it's
Speaker 1: survival food. It's m r e s essentially, and your
Speaker 1: food looks delicious. Is part of the solution through food
Speaker 1: in terms of the climate crisis, to make the food
Speaker 1: extra yummy? Is that part of your strategy? Very good? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, if it doesn't taste good, nobody's going to
Speaker 1: buy it. And also we felt that, you know, because
Speaker 1: people have to eat three times a day. And then
Speaker 1: you add ian things like everything having this deep reason
Speaker 1: for being. You then have our buffalo jerky for instance,
Speaker 1: really about restoring the great planes and how important the
Speaker 1: prairie is in drawing down carbon or our salmon then
Speaker 1: is you know, not only providing great nutrition and Omega
Speaker 1: three is it's also about eating lower on the food
Speaker 1: chain and restoring the ocean and incorporating better harvesting methods
Speaker 1: so that we do have wild salmon in our future
Speaker 1: and for our future generations, and on and on, like
Speaker 1: our fruit and grain and vegetable products bars. Things like
Speaker 1: that are all about incorporating better agricultural practices like regenerative
Speaker 1: organic certified that allow for healthy soils. So let's dig
Speaker 1: into that because a lot of us have just gotten
Speaker 1: used to organic. And then you just put a word
Speaker 1: in front of it, regenerative organic, which sounds kind of
Speaker 1: like this perpetual motion machine. It's almost like cold fusion
Speaker 1: or something like that. You're restoring oceans, restoring the planes.
Speaker 1: Regenerative organic farming. Can you define that first, and then
Speaker 1: let's talk about what role that plays in helping us
Speaker 1: address the climate emergency. Sure. I think what's really important
Speaker 1: is that when you say regenerative, you do add the
Speaker 1: word organic to it. So Patagony Provisions champions regenerative organic farming.
Speaker 1: It's really a climate solution that also helps to grow
Speaker 1: delicious food with higher nutrition and no pesticide residue. We
Speaker 1: helped create eight the regenerative Organic certification to set a
Speaker 1: new high bar or north star to follow for what
Speaker 1: it means to farm for our future, so food producers
Speaker 1: and farmers that have regenerative organic certification have met really
Speaker 1: robust requirements around their efforts to improve soil health and
Speaker 1: sequester more carbon, improve animal welfare, and provide economic stability
Speaker 1: for farmers and ranchers. It's really important to note that
Speaker 1: if soil, because soil is this living being, right, that
Speaker 1: it's an ecosystem that is alive, And we don't think
Speaker 1: of that. No, we think of soil as dirt and
Speaker 1: it's in the ground and we move it around with shovels,
Speaker 1: and we put some seeds in it, and we throw
Speaker 1: some water on the seeds and maybe some fertilizer to
Speaker 1: accelerate the process and outcomes food, and that's how we
Speaker 1: feed the world. And we've kind of jacked up the productivity.
Speaker 1: We've basically pumped there full of steroids to get more
Speaker 1: food out because we have this growing number of people.
Speaker 1: But regenerative organic has a different view. So keep telling
Speaker 1: me about soil not as dirt, but as this living
Speaker 1: thing and the role that soil can play and addressing
Speaker 1: the carbon challenge that we're facing in our atmosphere. It
Speaker 1: accomplishes a lot if we are applying these organic and
Speaker 1: regenerative practices you can have higher yields, which is I think,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the headwinds from traditional egg. They
Speaker 1: were sort of saying, no, you can't have those yields,
Speaker 1: but you actually can because the soils are healthier and
Speaker 1: able to provide higher nutrition, and then the soil at
Speaker 1: its highest bar function will draw down a lot of carbon.
Speaker 1: The other thing is that you will have better water
Speaker 1: infiltration and less water used in the long run and
Speaker 1: in times of drought or with water being you know,
Speaker 1: such a big issue for our future. That's a really
Speaker 1: important element to this. You're also not going to be
Speaker 1: killing pollinators that are responsible for a third of our
Speaker 1: food supply a third of our food suply. So if
Speaker 1: we lose pollinators because of all the chemicals and pesticides
Speaker 1: and we're not drawing down carbon and we're killing the soil,
Speaker 1: that's serious impact. And then with the certification, we have
Speaker 1: healthier animals and healthier and happier farmers who no longer
Speaker 1: need to wear has mat suits and deal with ailments
Speaker 1: related to exposure to chemical agriculture and all that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. It sounds almost too good to be true
Speaker 1: because what I'm hearing is this regenerative organic method can
Speaker 1: meet our needs the same, maybe better then the typical
Speaker 1: industrial methods where we just kind of pump the ground
Speaker 1: full of chemicals to accomplish the same things, maybe abuse
Speaker 1: the animals, abused the workers. Are you confident at regenerative
Speaker 1: organic farming can actually meet global food needs? Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: the bottom line is that, you know, widespread embracing of
Speaker 1: regenerative and organic agriculture can transform the whole food industry
Speaker 1: into a climate hero. You know, there's a learning curve
Speaker 1: that's involved, but there is so much research now indicating
Speaker 1: you know that if all the croplands and pastures in
Speaker 1: the world, or as much as we can, you know,
Speaker 1: used regenerative farming techniques working with nature, than an enormous
Speaker 1: amount of carbon emissions can come down. And that's really
Speaker 1: what we need to go after and make sure that
Speaker 1: all that microbial action in the soil can do its thing,
Speaker 1: can act like a sponge. I love. I mean, it
Speaker 1: sounds like a super solution because we're talking about labor,
Speaker 1: we're talking about treatment of animals, We're talking about water shortages,
Speaker 1: the threat of that in terms of drought, we're talking
Speaker 1: about nutrient levels. You mentioned that as well, and we're
Speaker 1: talking about yield and delicious. Most important to me is delicious.
Speaker 1: The food probably taste a lot better. What is your
Speaker 1: assessment of how long it might take us to make
Speaker 1: that transition to at least having most of the agricultural activity,
Speaker 1: the food growing activity be regenerative rather than industrial. I
Speaker 1: think this is an evolutionary process. We can't be pollyanna
Speaker 1: about it. We have to face the facts that this
Speaker 1: is going to take time. We can't wait for perfect
Speaker 1: in terms of science or the tools that are available
Speaker 1: to us. We need to act now. We know enough
Speaker 1: that we need to walk down this road as fast
Speaker 1: as we can. So it is about this collective action.
Speaker 1: The more we know, the more our communities are customer,
Speaker 1: the supply chain and the farmers big business starts to
Speaker 1: really understand all these facts, the better and faster we
Speaker 1: can get to that place. But it will take time.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to be Good news is there's a
Speaker 1: lot of jobs to do all that work. It's a
Speaker 1: full employment opportunity to save our our home planet. Earlier
Speaker 1: in our season, we did a full episode on nutrition
Speaker 1: insecurity and how so many people in the US in
Speaker 1: particular lack basic access to nutritious food. When I hear
Speaker 1: about regenerative organic farming, I'm also remembering the price difference
Speaker 1: of organic period. You know, to be able to shop
Speaker 1: at a relatively high end place, or see the difference
Speaker 1: in a regular grocery store of the organic version versus
Speaker 1: the non organic version. I'm assuming that the regenerative organic
Speaker 1: version may continue to exacerbate some of the affordability challenges
Speaker 1: we've seen with healthy nutritious food. Do you see that
Speaker 1: risk and what are some of your thoughts on how
Speaker 1: we can make sure that this nutritious, planet saving food
Speaker 1: is actually affordable and available to those who need it most. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so many Americans lack accessibility to healthy food. People are
Speaker 1: realize that in our own country that this exists. This
Speaker 1: is where subsidies come in, and that's why a bag
Speaker 1: of chips can cost a third less than it should be,
Speaker 1: but nutritious organic fruits and vegetables are more costly. There's
Speaker 1: a real disparity here. We know enough about this that
Speaker 1: we should really start making changes around it, and so
Speaker 1: we believe that subsidies really need to be redistributed. So
Speaker 1: we work with policy and the Organic Trade Association and
Speaker 1: other entities to bring these issues to the attention of
Speaker 1: the right folks. You know, imagine if there were more
Speaker 1: subsidies directed to growing organic fruits and vegetables. What if
Speaker 1: snap dollars could be more valuable for higher nutritional foods.
Speaker 1: We also work on our own supply chain to make
Speaker 1: sure that people along the way are taken care of.
Speaker 1: For instance, our new bread fruit cracker flour comes from
Speaker 1: breadfruit grown in generative organic forests, which can provide a
Speaker 1: diversity of foods like bananas and mangoes, coconuts, tarot and
Speaker 1: many others, providing more access to nutrition for the local
Speaker 1: communities which are often located in areas of needs. So
Speaker 1: instead of clear cutting these forests and growing monoculture chemical
Speaker 1: food that is causing detrimental effects for human health and environment,
Speaker 1: we bring value to the agriforest by creating market poll
Speaker 1: which then provides economic stimulation and food security and a
Speaker 1: whole lot of carbon draw down. So really having companies
Speaker 1: start to think through what is that footprint, what are
Speaker 1: we touching along the way? Who are we touching? You know,
Speaker 1: the farmer is so important in this equation and making
Speaker 1: sure that we're not extractive, that we're not just taking
Speaker 1: everything from them and leaving nothing behind. So that's another
Speaker 1: element of food security and distributing nutrition in a better way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to strip mind the land you this
Speaker 1: wo don't want to strip mind the people you know
Speaker 1: who are processing that land. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: some of the collaboration that you're involved in terms of
Speaker 1: Patagonia Provisions. You're not You're not taking on this climate
Speaker 1: agriculture solution alone. You've got partners. You describe some as
Speaker 1: research partners, you describe others as marketplace partners. Can you
Speaker 1: explain the landscape of partnerships that you've established to help
Speaker 1: achieve this mission. We wouldn't really be able to bring
Speaker 1: Patagonia Provisions Reason for Being to life without closed partnerships
Speaker 1: with farmers and ranchers and fisheries. They really are the
Speaker 1: true innovators, leading the regenerative organic movement and championing techniques
Speaker 1: that do protect our wildlife and reduce these carbon emissions
Speaker 1: and make good food for all of us. So, you know,
Speaker 1: we believe it pays to grow and farm regeneratively, that
Speaker 1: it's economic and environmentally better for the farmers, so we
Speaker 1: support them and the ranchers and fishers committed to embracing
Speaker 1: restorative practices and to help them grow their business. And
Speaker 1: you know, as Yvonne Schinnard, our founder, says in our
Speaker 1: our film Unbroken Ground, all these people moving in the
Speaker 1: same direction. You can't believe what we can accomplish. It
Speaker 1: is this collective line always gives me chills. What's the
Speaker 1: role of research? I saw on the site there's even
Speaker 1: a list of research partners. What are you learning from?
Speaker 1: What types of research are these partners conducting? How does
Speaker 1: it help? Well? This is really an important element. This
Speaker 1: is why we say we consult planet for science. So
Speaker 1: working with, for instance, people like West Jackson at the
Speaker 1: Land Institute, who is working on perennial and polly culture agriculture.
Speaker 1: They've been working on this perennial currentza for years and
Speaker 1: years and years. Instance, it's an alternative grain. It's a
Speaker 1: new grain. Wait, a new grain. We're inventing grains now? Yeah, WHOA,
Speaker 1: I need to pause you out there's new grains. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we rely on maybe ten traditionally with where we have
Speaker 1: our agricultural system set up right now, very few compared
Speaker 1: to what is out there. If you talk to Steve Jones,
Speaker 1: at the Bread Lab at w s U. He will
Speaker 1: tell you he's got forty alternatives to what we grow.
Speaker 1: Now West Jackson is working on perenniality and bringing that in.
Speaker 1: It's an amazing moment in time because there is all
Speaker 1: of this science available to us. We just need to
Speaker 1: open our eyes and look at it. Instead of defaulting
Speaker 1: to what we have done for the last seventy years
Speaker 1: or more, we might need to kind of recalibrate and say,
Speaker 1: what do we need to take forward in a better
Speaker 1: way for the future. So build a basket of things
Speaker 1: that will help us have a healthier future, and maybe
Speaker 1: make some hard decisions about you know, this great science
Speaker 1: that we can do. It's amazing what we are capable
Speaker 1: of as human beings. But put some of those on
Speaker 1: the shelf and say it's just not right for humanity.
Speaker 1: It's just not right to continue to go forward with
Speaker 1: that knowing what we know. So can you define a
Speaker 1: term for us? You said it a few times. I
Speaker 1: think I know what it means, but I'm sure many
Speaker 1: of us don't. Perenniality. Explain what that is. And in
Speaker 1: contrast to what sure so, perennials are crops that can
Speaker 1: come back year after year. So in the case of currenza,
Speaker 1: perennial grain which we make our beer from, so we
Speaker 1: have beer too. Uh why did we not start with beer?
Speaker 1: You know, showing that there are you can use a
Speaker 1: perennial grain and put it into a beer. So showing
Speaker 1: that there are these different ingredients that can come into
Speaker 1: our food in a different way. So with crenza, you
Speaker 1: can get you know, four or five seven years of
Speaker 1: that plant staying in the ground. It grows these giant
Speaker 1: roots that are like twelve feet long. It pulls down
Speaker 1: carbon and produces a grain that you can use in food.
Speaker 1: So we put it in beer. We're making a pasta
Speaker 1: that's coming out in the new year. We did a
Speaker 1: lot of work to bring that grain to the forefront.
Speaker 1: So General Mills is starting to incorporate it. Carlsberg is
Speaker 1: thinking about it. There's this nice ripple effect that happens
Speaker 1: when you take the risk to look at what is
Speaker 1: out there and pull it into the system, show the
Speaker 1: uses of it. And with the perenniality part of it,
Speaker 1: you have less emissions because you're not plowing it down
Speaker 1: and disturbing the soil every year, and you create the
Speaker 1: healthier soil. Because of that, it also holds onto nitrogen
Speaker 1: that would otherwise flow into the waterways causing dead zones.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of really unique things if
Speaker 1: we just sort of look beyond what we've done. It's
Speaker 1: exciting looking beyond. You know, earlier you mentioned this Regenerative
Speaker 1: Organic Alliance, which it just it conjures images of like
Speaker 1: star trek to me, like the alliance and coming together
Speaker 1: for a great purpose. What is this alliance? Is great purpose?
Speaker 1: And what are some of the ways it operate? Sure,
Speaker 1: an important thing that we felt was necessary as there's
Speaker 1: downward pressure on organic and you can grow organic in
Speaker 1: a monoculture. There's lots of not great things because there's
Speaker 1: always this pressure from Big Egg to make it easier
Speaker 1: to fit into what they've got going. So we felt
Speaker 1: that the Regenerative Organic certification, which is run by the
Speaker 1: Regenerative Organic Alliance of five or one C three was
Speaker 1: an important thing to bring to the marketplace as a
Speaker 1: north star, as something that could say if soil at
Speaker 1: its highest bar can do all these great things around
Speaker 1: nutrition and carbon draw down. Okay, let's go there, let's
Speaker 1: find out what that is. How does that ecosystem need
Speaker 1: to function in order to do that, to make sure
Speaker 1: that animals are taken care of. We all know CAFOs
Speaker 1: and cram together chickens and all these things. It's just
Speaker 1: not the right thing to do. So let's make sure
Speaker 1: that we have a certification that incorporates animal welfare. And then,
Speaker 1: of course the workers. The third element of that trinity
Speaker 1: is looking after the workers to make sure that there
Speaker 1: are fair wages and people are taken care of along
Speaker 1: the way. So that's really why we put that together.
Speaker 1: And the alliance is really comprised of people from science
Speaker 1: folks to other people in the food industry like Dr
Speaker 1: Brauner's and US and others, really recognizing we needed that
Speaker 1: north Star. You've mentioned chemical agriculture, Big Egg a couple
Speaker 1: of times, and I'm wondering where they fit into this.
Speaker 1: In some ways, it sounds like you want to put
Speaker 1: pressure on them to change their practices and kind of
Speaker 1: get on board. In other ways, they have a lot
Speaker 1: of economic insensives to try to crush and stop this
Speaker 1: because they're invested in a whole another way of doing business.
Speaker 1: And then you just shared that they could actually co
Speaker 1: opt some movements like this as has happened in part
Speaker 1: with organics, where organic alone can be as monocultural and
Speaker 1: extractive as non organic. So what's your approach to the
Speaker 1: existing incumbent players when it comes to regenerative organic farming.
Speaker 1: Simply put in a great quote by conservationist David Brower,
Speaker 1: there is no business to be done on a dead planet,
Speaker 1: and that's where we're headed if we don't pay attention.
Speaker 1: So not to be doom and gloom for it, but
Speaker 1: some facts to understand. Only four giant chemical companies control
Speaker 1: our food supply. They own more than of the world's
Speaker 1: global seat sales. The farming practices of these massive conglomerates
Speaker 1: destroy the soil, and in the US alone, soil on
Speaker 1: crop land is eroting ten times faster than it can
Speaker 1: be replenished. If we continue to degrade the soil with
Speaker 1: industrial farming practices, the world could run out of top
Speaker 1: soil in about sixty years. That's only sixty harvests. Think
Speaker 1: about that. That's not very long. But let's turn it
Speaker 1: to the positive. Before we get to the positive, I
Speaker 1: want to understand this negative, all right. What does it
Speaker 1: mean to only have sixty harvests left? What happens in
Speaker 1: year sixty one. That's the big scary question. I mean,
Speaker 1: think about it this way. If we look at the
Speaker 1: world that supports us as being comprised of all these
Speaker 1: ecosystems that actually need to function properly, and soil in
Speaker 1: particular is part of that life blood that sustains us
Speaker 1: as humans species on Earth. So it's a little mind
Speaker 1: blowing to realize we think we can control everything we need,
Speaker 1: we think we can overpower mother Nature, but actually what
Speaker 1: we need to do is work with Mother Nature, understand
Speaker 1: these systems. There's a lot of tension with money, control, power,
Speaker 1: all of these things, and I don't know what will
Speaker 1: happen in in year sixty one. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: why I'm after these solutions and showcasing that you can
Speaker 1: build business and use business as a force for good
Speaker 1: by incorporating the solution based methods and science to create
Speaker 1: a better future, because I sure don't want my girls,
Speaker 1: you know, inheriting an earth that they can't function properly
Speaker 1: and no, and I think sometimes when we talk about
Speaker 1: climate impact, it comes down to projections and we look
Speaker 1: ten fifty sixty years down the line, and some people
Speaker 1: can say, well, we'll figure it out through some tech
Speaker 1: anological magic. By then, I'm not so worried. But what
Speaker 1: have we experienced so far? I mean, I remember coming
Speaker 1: across some kind of statistic about just the amount of
Speaker 1: nutrition in an orange today versus I don't know, in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. Do you have an example of how
Speaker 1: we're living through some of the consequences of the soil
Speaker 1: degradation right now? It's true we have tests that now
Speaker 1: show that the nutrient value of our broccoli, of our vegetables,
Speaker 1: of our strawberries have far less than they did before
Speaker 1: we started tinkering with everything. So you can eat all
Speaker 1: of these fruits and vegetables now grown in the conventional
Speaker 1: ways and not be getting the nu chance that you
Speaker 1: actually need. And the other thing that is lost with
Speaker 1: that is flavor. Strawberry grown in these more conventional practices
Speaker 1: sort of taste watery. It might be big, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't have that same flavor and flavor. It really is
Speaker 1: an indicator of nutritional quality as well. So we were
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, the relationship with conventional industrial chemical farming,
Speaker 1: and you highlighted the negative. I encouraged you to keep
Speaker 1: doing that, But you're going to take a turn towards
Speaker 1: the positive that can come. So I want to give
Speaker 1: you a chance to finish your thoughts on that. Please
Speaker 1: do just the basic fact that healthy soil stores carbon dioxide.
Speaker 1: That if these farmers have healthy soils, they can have
Speaker 1: the yields that are necessary to keep up with demand
Speaker 1: long term. That because regenerative practices require crop rotations and diversity,
Speaker 1: it can provide additional income for farmers. That's a really
Speaker 1: interesting thing. And there's some studies out now that show
Speaker 1: that farmers who are really embracing this fully, they actually
Speaker 1: have had a rise in income, which is always very positive.
Speaker 1: Demand for organics are growing rapidly, so that's another positive thing,
Speaker 1: especially as we come out of this global pandemic. But
Speaker 1: are far more concerned with health and making better choices,
Speaker 1: and they see that this science is proving that they
Speaker 1: need to move in that direction. So from your position,
Speaker 1: I want you to embrace the title of our podcast here,
Speaker 1: force multiplier. We posit that because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things we can do, but some have more impacts, some
Speaker 1: have more leverage, And so across this whole ecosystem around
Speaker 1: solutions based agriculture, what do you consider the force multiplier
Speaker 1: to be. I really do think it's the conscious consumer.
Speaker 1: They are the ones who really have the most power
Speaker 1: to create the change that we need to see that
Speaker 1: they will and are demanding healthier, more nutritious foods without
Speaker 1: pesticide residue and education about these better ways. That's one
Speaker 1: of the most important forces in creating change. Helping people
Speaker 1: understand why they should make these adjust monts and that
Speaker 1: it can be very beneficial to them. This is extremely
Speaker 1: powerful and that's what will cause the shift in thinking
Speaker 1: for the big conglomerates that are moving down this antiquated road.
Speaker 1: It's a new day. This is a big project to
Speaker 1: take on, not just specifically Patagonia provisions, but rewiring our
Speaker 1: food production system to be in alignment with the interests
Speaker 1: of long term habitability of this only planet that we have.
Speaker 1: Do you consider this your life's work? It really truly
Speaker 1: has become like that. I grew up in a family
Speaker 1: that's always really been passionate about food. My parents worked
Speaker 1: in the food industry and my grandfather was in coffee.
Speaker 1: It was always the talk at the table, learning about
Speaker 1: global supply chains. We also grew up growing our own
Speaker 1: foods in the summers and making jam and foraging from
Speaker 1: mushrooms after the rain, and we spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time with local farmers, so I developed a real appreciation
Speaker 1: for what goes into making quality food and it's now
Speaker 1: really a center of my universe now that I'm a parent,
Speaker 1: and I think that's why I jumped at the challenge
Speaker 1: to build an organic food company. You know that could
Speaker 1: be a force for good. Have you found a way
Speaker 1: to talk about addressing the climate crisis promoting regenerative organic
Speaker 1: farming in a way that doesn't automatically turn off half
Speaker 1: the population because they interpret it through a partisan political lens.
Speaker 1: What language do you use to try to expand the
Speaker 1: circle here so that more people get on board more quickly.
Speaker 1: I think it's really essential to change this doom and gloom,
Speaker 1: Like we need to know facts, We need to know
Speaker 1: facts about what's happening. But I really actually think that
Speaker 1: we need to turn this to what is actually working.
Speaker 1: What is the hope out there? What are the things
Speaker 1: that we can do, like voting with our fork, we
Speaker 1: eat three times a day, channel your inner rebel and
Speaker 1: say no to pesticides and use this new planet focused
Speaker 1: science as the compass, because we can then do something
Speaker 1: about it instead of saying, oh my gosh, you know
Speaker 1: this is happening in sixty harvests and all that. And yes,
Speaker 1: I I talk about that because we need to know
Speaker 1: those things. But don't let that be the thing that drives.
Speaker 1: Make sure you follow these other routes that can show
Speaker 1: there can be success in creating new companies, in influencing
Speaker 1: bigger businesses to take on some of these practices. You know,
Speaker 1: it's really all about this delicious I keep saying it
Speaker 1: collective action, but I want that dialogue to change because
Speaker 1: that is what will become attractive as the next generation
Speaker 1: starts to incorporate the solution based thinking. We can have
Speaker 1: a rip will effect of actual impact. This is where
Speaker 1: I que and the Beatles Revolution song, right, Oh I
Speaker 1: hope we can license that. Oh I really, I really
Speaker 1: want to hear that. I'm gonna rock out right, And
Speaker 1: there there are facts that prove this. So this is
Speaker 1: not just trying to be all happy and let's go
Speaker 1: for it and delusional. There's there's actually a road, and
Speaker 1: that's why you know, that's what Provisions is all about.
Speaker 1: We are moving down that road. We're hoping others do
Speaker 1: to the road. Toward delicious collective practices that that sounds
Speaker 1: and tastes great to me. I can imagine someone listening
Speaker 1: to this has gotten a little riled up. They got
Speaker 1: the beetles jamming in the background, They're ready to do something.
Speaker 1: What would you encourage someone inspired by this conversation to
Speaker 1: do who wants to get involved more. Maybe you have
Speaker 1: a set of options, Maybe there's one thing, but here's
Speaker 1: a chance. Yeah. I mean this is where I say
Speaker 1: the individual can really start to read and learn more
Speaker 1: about this and vote with your fork. We actually have
Speaker 1: that in our power. Go to the Regenerative Organic Alliance website.
Speaker 1: Come to our website at Pataganey Provisions dot com. There's
Speaker 1: a lot there. There are a lot of essays and
Speaker 1: things Rodale the Rodale Institute learn from them. Start businesses,
Speaker 1: start with products that do solve problems, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: always have to be around food. I think companies should
Speaker 1: really start to look at their own footprint, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe start valuing more than just the quarterly business earnings.
Speaker 1: What are the other metrics of success that you can
Speaker 1: bring in to the way that you conduct business that
Speaker 1: are laddering up to leveraging business to save our home planet,
Speaker 1: laddering up to leverage business to save our home planet.
Speaker 1: Burg It, Cameron, thank you for helping us go a
Speaker 1: little bit further. It's been a ledger to learn from you,
Speaker 1: to be able to converse with you, and to know
Speaker 1: that the company whose products I've enjoyed putting on my body,
Speaker 1: I can now also enjoy putting in my body. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for having me so. I promised you
Speaker 1: a big episode, and I really hope we delivered. As
Speaker 1: Jennifer said, every action we take matters everything. She and
Speaker 1: burg It urged us to enlist nature and value its
Speaker 1: role and helping us meet the challenge of the climate crisis.
Speaker 1: They urged us to work together because no one alone
Speaker 1: can fix a problem this big. In fact, we created
Speaker 1: the problem together, so why not solve together too. That's
Speaker 1: been a consistent refrain across our season, the need to
Speaker 1: work together to solve these things. And we've covered a
Speaker 1: wide range of topics, geographies and organizations. A California school
Speaker 1: district finding ways to feed its community and Indiana Community
Speaker 1: College closing the skills gap, a global partnership delivering vaccines
Speaker 1: to those who can least afford it, and least afford
Speaker 1: not to have it. A national volunteer group offering sophisticated
Speaker 1: services to keep people out, a well known radio personality
Speaker 1: sharing his vulnerability and using his platform to generate mental wealth.
Speaker 1: That's just a sampling of who we learn from. And
Speaker 1: I've been beyond impressed by the good work of all
Speaker 1: these educational institutions, nonprofits, individuals and companies that are doing
Speaker 1: so much to be a force for good. I've been
Speaker 1: equally impressed by people's willingness to acknowledge the partnerships that
Speaker 1: have been critical in their work. That collaboration is often
Speaker 1: supported by technology and always enabled by humility. Everything we've
Speaker 1: discus us this season is connected. Mental health challenges contribute
Speaker 1: to housing instability, nutrition and security reduces our ability to
Speaker 1: achieve health equity. Our workforce skills gap makes it harder
Speaker 1: for us to take that climate action we so desperately need.
Speaker 1: In fact, the climate crisis is the mother of all crises.
Speaker 1: It's like a super crisis because it makes all the
Speaker 1: other challenges we've discussed harder. But the good news is this,
Speaker 1: our solutions are as interconnected as our problems. If we
Speaker 1: recognize the need to work together, listen to those closest
Speaker 1: to the problem, learn from the actions of others, and
Speaker 1: get involved ourselves. Then our efforts compound like interest, allowing
Speaker 1: us to rise to all these challenges faster and better,
Speaker 1: better serving the interests of all of us. We become
Speaker 1: the Force Multiplier. Thanks to our guests for sharing their
Speaker 1: journe thanks to the production team and our partners for
Speaker 1: making this possible, and to you for listening. I'm Barrittune
Speaker 1: Day Thurston and it's been my pleasure to host this.
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