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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck

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Speaker 2: with you, Buck? What is going on? Man? Not too much? DJ.

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Speaker 3: You know, idea is, Man, we're in the midst of

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Speaker 3: all this college football stuff, NFL stuff is popping coming

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Speaker 3: down the stretch, and you and I are beginning to

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Speaker 2: Because you talked about.

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Speaker 3: Beginning to lick at the twenty twenty five class, I've

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Speaker 3: January talking about who's who and us what putting these

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you early on, I've been working my

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Speaker 1: He's a fun study. Well, I'll have more for you

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Speaker 3: And I think the success we always talk about like

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Speaker 2: So it'd be interesting.

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Speaker 3: Also, those classes are not like what they've been of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and some good tight ends too. So wild receiver

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Speaker 1: Buck with an article you.

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Speaker 2: Wrote about c. J.

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Speaker 1: Stroud and what's real and what's just perception that's out

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Speaker 2: Stroud. What did you see?

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Speaker 3: Well, DJ, I think is what we've always talked about

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Speaker 3: Like that's what impacts the quarterback more than anything else.

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Speaker 3: They haven't played at an a level, but look, there

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Speaker 1: I say, I'm not worried, but would you agree with

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the way is line it up. I think

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Speaker 1: Hot Cloud Storage. We're looking at some tight ends today,

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