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Speaker 1: Always unplugg was Forgotten Seasons. What is up? Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Forgotten Seasons. This is your host, Dylan Dreyfus.

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Speaker 2: We got a great one today, two thousand and nine

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Speaker 2: Magic with JJ Redick. Definitely a fan favorite squad and

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Speaker 2: for good reason. I think we got a peak Dwight Howard,

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Speaker 2: Rishard Lewis, h dou Turklu, Stan Van Gundy got tight

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Speaker 2: playoff battles against Philly, Boston, Lebron's Calves, and then a

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Speaker 2: finals in which they fell to a determined Kobe Bryant

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Speaker 2: and the Los Angeles Lakers. This Magic squad took a

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Speaker 2: big leap from the year before. They won fifty nine games,

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Speaker 2: had the number one defense in the league, and finished

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Speaker 2: as the three seed in the East. They were ahead

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Speaker 2: of their time, shot a ton of threes, and ran

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Speaker 2: a pretty modern offense. You'll hear JJ talk about how

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Speaker 2: Stan Van Gundy, their coach, came in and implemented a

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Speaker 2: ton of analytics into the team at a time where

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Speaker 2: analytics were not at all very prevalent in the league before.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into it, a quick reminder to rate

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Speaker 2: will not be disappointed. Let's get into it now, Forgotten

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Speaker 2: Seasons with JJ Redick on the two thousand and nine

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Speaker 2: Magic begins right now. Welcome everybody to Forgotten Seasons. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to JJ Reddick.

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Speaker 3: JJ.

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Speaker 1: How's it going today, man.

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Speaker 3: It's great man. Life is good.

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Speaker 2: No complaints, life is great. You're smiling. We're going back

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Speaker 2: to two thousand and eight. Two thousand and nine Orlando Magic,

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Speaker 2: the year that changed your career. You have said, I

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Speaker 2: want to start sort of the beginning of your career.

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Speaker 2: Obviously one of the most decorated players in college basketball history,

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Speaker 2: you get drafted to the Magic in two thousand and six,

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Speaker 2: and you've said that those first two years was sort

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Speaker 2: DNP coaches decision. You're fighting for minutes, not knowing when

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Speaker 2: they're coming. And then two thousand and eight nine comes.

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Speaker 2: You've said, after you lose in the two thousand and

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Speaker 2: eight playoffs that that summer you sort of reinvented yourself.

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Speaker 2: You reinvented your your training, your conditioning. I want to

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Speaker 2: go back to then you guys lose to Detroit in

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Speaker 2: the two thousand and eight playoffs. You've joked that you

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Speaker 2: were asking your agent about overseas options. What exactly goes

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Speaker 2: down in that summer. Take us through your just training

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Speaker 2: regimen and how you work to reinvent yourself in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean starting with my the summer after my

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Speaker 3: It's well documented. I've talked about it a bunch, but

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Speaker 3: I really struggled, you know, I finding my own sense

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Speaker 4: Now I didn't know at the time.

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Speaker 3: For the rest of my career I would also go

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Speaker 2: That's really interesting, and I imagine like the whole mental

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Speaker 1: When you get it, you gotta let it fly.

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Speaker 2: Is there is there also a mental aspect of it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the mental side of it for me was I

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Speaker 2: Well, they also draft Courtney Lee at your position, who

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Speaker 2: But then something kind of flips. You make a leap

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Speaker 3: Lewis Lewis big serious. Uh. We signed Rishard that summer,

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Speaker 3: so he was out and we tried to play Turk

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Speaker 2: So Turk was Turk was, I want to get into

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Speaker 3: Get I have so much.

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Speaker 4: I have notes.

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Speaker 3: I have notes for every I always prepped for pod,

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Speaker 3: so I have notes for everything. Turk was a monster.

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Speaker 3: It became abundantly clear that Turk wasn't gonna be able

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Speaker 3: everybody was playing for out one end. Yep. So Rashard

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Speaker 3: And I remember coming back from that trip after that

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Speaker 4: Their role in the whole season. But I knew that

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Speaker 4: we were a contender, and.

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Speaker 3: The difference to me was for Shard, So he was

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Speaker 3: everything he brought on the court, But it was also

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Speaker 3: the leadership which keep in mind at this time, like

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Speaker 3: Rashard provided that leadership that.

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Speaker 4: We needed on that team.

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Speaker 2: Stans also in his second year, so you have sort

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Speaker 2: of go deeper into the team breakdown. Now, you guys

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Speaker 2: as a team, we're ahead of your time. You mentioned

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Speaker 2: staph or somebody like that. Was that something that Stan preached?

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Speaker 2: Because I saw your rookie year. You guys barely shot

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Speaker 4: Oh, he's preaching that. Oddly enough, my Brookie year, we.

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Speaker 2: Fifty nine wins. You guys are the three seed in

434
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Speaker 2: the East. Round one, you have Philly, which is a

435
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: bit of a scare. This is when Courtney Lee goes out,

436
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 2: breaks his face, You're thrust into the starting lineup. I

437
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: was looking back at that Philly team like they were

438
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: really good. I mean, Andre Guadala, Andre Miller, Thaddeus Young,

439
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 2: Lou Williams. They go to one against you guys. He

440
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 2: who hits that big shot in Game four to win it?

441
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: But what do you remember from that series in that

442
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: Philly team.

443
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Speaker 4: I want to go back real quick.

444
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I'll answer your I'll answer your question mentioned Rayfer,

445
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: and I want this to be very clear.

446
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 4: Rayfer saved our season.

447
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: Like we lose Jamier in early February, we have a

448
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: sixteen day stretch between his injury and February nineteenth to

449
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 3: trade deadline when we trade for Rayfer, and we really struggled.

450
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: We traded for Tyleru but as a as A as

451
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 3: A at that point, he was late in his career. Yeah,

452
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 3: he was. Tyler was the man. He was one of

453
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: my favorite teammates I've ever had, and obviously got the

454
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 3: chance to play for him when I was in LA,

455
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: but you know, he wasn't going to give us at

456
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 3: that point in his career. The pick and roll operation

457
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 3: and the setup that we needed with that team and

458
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 3: traded for Rayfer really saved our season because he was

459
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: able to operate it as a pick and roll. He

460
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 3: shot enough threes and could make enough threes. He kept

461
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: defenses hon us. He was scrappy, he was hard nosed.

462
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: Swag too.

463
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 3: She was a shit talker. So like he saved our season.

464
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: The I always talk about this, especially later in my

465
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: career when I would be in locker rooms. This is

466
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: in Philly especially, I know I anecdotally said this a

467
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: bunch in in LA with the Clippers when we would

468
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 3: get to the playoffs, Like, so much can happen during

469
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 3: a playoff series. You cannot you cannot get too low

470
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 3: or too high. And the Philly series that Round one

471
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 3: against or in two thousand and nine is a great

472
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: example of that. We lose Game one at the buzzer,

473
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 3: we lose Game three at the buzzer. We're down two

474
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: to one on the road in Philly and Turk I

475
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: think he banked in a three. If I'm not mistaken

476
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: from the right wing.

477
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was. Look, I don't think it

478
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: was a bank.

479
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 4: But he had banked in a three.

480
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: He had made a buzzer beater in one of those

481
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: two years against Portland. Yeah, one of them was a bank.

482
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: One of them was a bank. One of them hit

483
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 3: the back of the rim and went in. But like

484
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: we were to get to two to two, we had

485
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: to withstand two buzzer beaters from them. We had to

486
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 3: rely on Turk making a heroic shot to get us tied.

487
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: And then in game five, Dwight not only injureds are

488
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: starting shooting guard, but he he elbows down Bear and

489
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 3: gets suspended for game six. So we're now going on

490
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 3: the road in a closeout game, starting me at the

491
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 3: two and Martian Gore Tod at five. And of course,

492
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: you know I hit five threes that game. Quart Hot

493
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: has a double double. I think he did like eleven

494
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: to fifteen the Polish Hammer. Yeah, Rashard goes for twenty nine.

495
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: He has a huge game, and we win that series.

496
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: But again, we were the three seed with fifty nine wins.

497
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 3: That Philly team had a ton of talent, and we

498
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 3: were lucky in some ways to even get out of

499
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 3: that first round. And then you back, like we make

500
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 3: the finals, and you go series by series like and

501
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: we can talk about every series, but like, you know,

502
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: the Boston Series, we lose Game four at the buzzer,

503
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: Big Baby hits a seventeen footer. Game two, Lebron hits

504
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 3: a buzzer beater to beat us in the conference finals.

505
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: Game two in the finals, Courtney Lee misses lay buzzer.

506
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: Game four of the Finals, we're up with a chance

507
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 3: to tie the series. We're up eighty seven to eighty

508
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: two with under a minute to go, and Derek, you know,

509
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: Kobe comes down in three seconds after a miss free

510
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: throw and throws it behind the head pass to Gassault

511
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: for dunk to cut a three. We missed the free throws.

512
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: Derek Fisher hits a three with four seconds or three

513
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: seconds whatever it was. Like, there's so much that can happen,

514
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: and a series, a title chance can swing on one

515
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: or two plays. Last year is a great example. Think

516
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: about the finals last year. It came down to two

517
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 3: plays yep Giannis's block on that allue and and then this,

518
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: and then and then Drew Steele and the alleue. Like

519
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 3: it came down to two plays that could have easily

520
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: gone the other way in Phoenix's fate. It's crazy.

521
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: I mean we always hear luck is such a big

522
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: factor of it. But I was going to ask you

523
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: this later, but I mean, just the the idea of

524
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: these windows, right, and that you have a chance to

525
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: win a title. I think there's something to be said

526
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: about going all in. I mean, obviously it puts you

527
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: at risk, but it's really hard to win one playoff

528
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: series then to win two, three, and four. And I

529
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: think this is a perfect example, like the window closes

530
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: really really soon after that.

531
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean.

532
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: When you think about all the little things that have

533
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: to go your way to even be in the position

534
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: to win. Uh, people just don't realize that, and they're

535
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: focused on the box score and the final score.

536
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: I want to rewind a little bit.

537
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: You win the Philly Series in six, we didn't talk

538
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 2: about Dwight.

539
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: I think we I my fault. We lost over that.

540
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: We don't have to talk about the fact that he

541
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: should be on the NBA seventy five lists, because I

542
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: think everybody who's who watched him at that time and

543
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 2: knows basketball knows that. I talked to Matt about the

544
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 2: twenty ten season, and he's obviously a defensive guy. He said,

545
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: the biggest thing about Dwight is that it doesn't matter

546
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: what you guys do on the perimeter, Like you can

547
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: overplay if somebody's driving, like there's nothing there. Three time

548
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year. Can you just like remember

549
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: a story or anything about Dwight playing with him at

550
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: this time?

551
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: What personifies him as a player.

552
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he was. He was a security blanket, you know,

553
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: especially for a guy like me who at the time,

554
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: like you know, you're I'm Garden, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant,

555
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: like I'm Joe Johnson, like I'm Edan Roy, big twos,

556
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: big twos. And I knew I could pressure the ball.

557
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: I knew I could be physical. I knew I could

558
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: get up into guys because if if, if they could

559
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: get past me and I had my stance the right way,

560
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: and I sort of funneled them game plan wise, which

561
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: I was great at.

562
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 4: If I funneled them to.

563
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: Their weekend, then Dwight was there, and our defense had

564
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: incredible attention to detail because again we drilled the shit

565
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: out of everything stay number one in the league, and

566
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: so we were, Yeah, we were so good about pulling

567
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: over to the strong side. We were so good with

568
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: our rotations and our exes, and it was really hard

569
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: to score against us. But we couldn't have done it

570
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: to that level without Dwight. He was a monster defensively.

571
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: And it's not like I don't want to talk shit

572
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: about Rudy Gobert, but like you're not just like getting

573
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: defended in the paint like he is swallowing you like that.

574
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: You can hear the the mic on the basket just

575
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: like explode when he blocks a shot.

576
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he he obviously had size and length and athleticism.

577
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: I remember my rookie year, bj Armstrong, who I was

578
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: with Wasserman with Arn Tellum and Greg Lawrence and Bob

579
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: Myers and j who's now you know, a prominent agent

580
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: was doing some stuff with wasterh and he came to

581
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: visit me and we were talking about Dwight and he said,

582
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: you know what Dwight's greatest strength is? And I was

583
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: like no, and he said he can rebound outside of

584
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: the space, and you think about like a lot of

585
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: great rebounders, you know, like Kevin Loves a great Kevin

586
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: Love is like technically one of the best rebounders the

587
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: boxes out. He knows angles. He's so good about reading

588
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: where the ball is going to come off the rim,

589
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: you know, offensively, especially in his prime, he was so

590
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: good at wedging you under the basket, creating an angle

591
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: for him to get the ball and lay it back in.

592
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: Dwight didn't need to do any of the sticks, Like

593
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: as soon as the ball hit the rim, it didn't

594
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: matter where it went. He could rebound outside of space.

595
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: So we when we were at those Orlando teams with him,

596
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: our defensive rebounding percentage was always top two or three

597
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: in the league. You know, stan Stan used to always

598
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: want us to be seventy five percent or higher defensive rebounding,

599
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: and you know we'd be high seventies eighties. Like it

600
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: was because of Dwight that that whole run that we

601
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: had in Orlando, it was all predicated on him being

602
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: so good defensively.

603
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know why he didn't make

604
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: the list. That's a whole other conversation. But if anybody

605
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: watches that, like he's the best player on a team

606
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: that you know, wins fifty nine games two years in

607
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: a row, makes the finals.

608
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: Crazy.

609
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: So going back Boston series, you mentioned big Baby hits

610
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: that buzzer beater. Kg's out seven game series. I do

611
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: want to ask, KG isn't playing, but he's very much

612
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: still in the game. I think you couldn't tell him

613
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: that he wasn't in the game and affecting the game.

614
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: What was KG saying to you, the young the young dukie.

615
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: Maybe he thinks you're a little bit vulnerable. What's what's

616
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: KG saying to you? Yeah, I mean he he was

617
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: intense like he always is. He was intense on the sidelines,

618
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: despite the fact that he was in a suit.

619
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, every time, every time I would I would walk,

620
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: I would walk by the bench, he would say that

621
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: I sucked, white boy, You suck white boy, You suck motherfucker.

622
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: You ain't gonna do shit tonight.

623
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: Like it was just constant with him, and like he

624
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: you know, he was probably talking ship to Dwight too,

625
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: but like you know, that's just KG. And and you know, again,

626
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: at this point in time in my life, like I've

627
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: already heard everything you could say to me on a

628
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: basketball court. I lived out a very very brutal experience

629
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: at Duke, and like that, I was unfazed by that,

630
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: Like what.

631
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: You want is that? Is that what you want?

632
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I I like, I love competition, Like my

633
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: my thing was like and I was like this throughout

634
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: my career, you know, post Duke, because of what I

635
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: went through, Like I was never ever concerned with something

636
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: happening in the stands, somebody talking shit to me. Like

637
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: my concern that in the in the Boston series was

638
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: like I got to chase Ray fucking Allen around seventeen

639
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 3: illegal picks every single possession. Like I was only concerned

640
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: with our game play on Ray Out And you know

641
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: that was a that was a huge moment, like that

642
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: series for me, you know, Game six of the Philly series,

643
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: being able to play in that closeout game on the

644
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: road and then start against the defending champs guarding the

645
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: person that I tried to model my game after, like

646
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: literally my my idol. You know. I of course, like

647
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: any person that grew up in the nineties, Michael Jordan

648
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: was my favorite player, But I wasn't gonna be Michael Short.

649
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: I wanted to be Ray Allen, and I never never

650
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: got quite as good as him, but I wanted to

651
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: be Ray and so guarding him for seven games, I

652
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: think stand texted me after the series, He's like, that

653
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: was raised lowest shooting percentage that he's had in his career.

654
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: He did an incredible job.

655
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: Thank you, you know, true pro, thank you for being ready,

656
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: because you know, I think I think I had gotten.

657
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: A d and P in the Philly series, and I

658
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: got some d nps.

659
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: You know, I got one DNP in the finals, and

660
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 3: I got a bunch of DMPs in the Cleveland series.

661
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: So like, just for me to just be ready and

662
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 3: just be able to play at that level in such

663
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: an intense series was It was a huge, huge moment

664
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: for me. But you know, going back to my point earlier,

665
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this. Uh you know, we talked

666
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: about the baby buzzer be in game four. So we

667
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: win game one on the road. Game two, we get

668
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: blown out Rego's knots Eddie House went nuts and he

669
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 3: had thirty one or something like that, and Rayfer slapped

670
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: him upside the head.

671
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: YEP.

672
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: Ray for gets suspended, suspended for game three, and you

673
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: know Anthony Johnson, who's who's at this point is like

674
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: thirty five years old, is starting in a crucial game

675
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: for us. He plays well, we blow them out in

676
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: game three. We have a chance to win Game four,

677
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: Like we lose Game five. We're down three to two.

678
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: Now Celtics have never lost a series in their franchise

679
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: his history up three two. They're also coming home court advantage, you.

680
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: Know, coming off the ship.

681
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're coming off the championship. So for us to

682
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: get game six on the at you know, at home,

683
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: and then and then we just we we beat the

684
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: shit out of the game set, like we we ran away.

685
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: And this was to me, that was Turk's master or

686
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: you know her uh hit, you know, Hudo's masterpiece, like

687
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 3: he had.

688
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 4: Twenty seven and twelve I.

689
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: Think was twenty five and twelve assists, twenty five and twelve,

690
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and twelve, Yeah, twelve assists, Like it

691
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: was just he just picked that defensive art. Yeah, the

692
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: rondo emerges that series too, like Cag's out. But I

693
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 2: saw your defensive attention was definitely on Pierce, probably letting

694
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: Big Baby and Perkins beat you. But then going into Cleveland.

695
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: Like you mentioned the Cavs sixty six wins the one seed.

696
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: We can go into all the Lebron stuff, but I

697
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: love just looking at little pockets of Lebron's career, like

698
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: everything is so different. But at this time I think

699
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: was like his supreme athleticism and he was shooting the

700
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: ball well, he averages like thirty five, nine and seven.

701
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: His supporting cast he has Moe Williams, but not exactly

702
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: what he had in uh in Miami, not exactly. And

703
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: it just like looking at those Cleveland rosters, like how

704
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: didn't that GM surround him with anything?

705
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 3: Really?

706
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: But he almost wills it.

707
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: What do you remember?

708
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: Just like from Lebron, I imagine all you can do

709
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: is like pray. But is there any moment Obviously he

710
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: hits that big buzzer beater in Game two, But is

711
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: there any moment or memory in your mind when you

712
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: think of Bron at that time?

713
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: Unstoppable? He was unstoppable. You mentioned the Numbers. Game five

714
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: was an elimination game for them at home at thirty seven, fourteen,

715
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: and twelve. There was nothing we could fucking do. And

716
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: I think it was that game Anthony Johnson's took a

717
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: charge and like got in front of them, and I

718
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: remember thinking, like that's the ballsiest thing. You know, next year,

719
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 3: you know, not the next year, but his first year

720
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: with the heat, I time to charge, right. He did

721
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: a spin move. I timed it right. He caught me

722
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: with an elbow.

723
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 4: I had like nine stitches.

724
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: Under my eye, like standing in front of him. And

725
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: it still is, but like at that time, to take

726
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: a charge on Lebron that was ballsy and and that

727
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: was but that was our team. Like Anthony Johnson was,

728
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: you know, a huge part of that run as the

729
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: backup point guard, and we just had a bunch of

730
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: guys that really really bought into winning, really bought into

731
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: our team culture, really bought into the things Stan was preaching.

732
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 3: I don't think we would have been able to make

733
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: that run without Anthony Johnson, without Rayfer, without Rashard, Like

734
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: we just we had great, great leadership on that team

735
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: with our older players.

736
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.

737
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: I think I love just looking at all the little

738
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: role players because you mentioned so many things go wrong,

739
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 2: go hey, why are people get out? And it's those

740
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: guys like Anthony Johnson, Rayfer Alston, that's step in. That

741
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: is what swings a championship. So Bron's unstoppable, but you

742
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: guys beat him. He doesn't have much help going into

743
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: the finals against Kobe and the Lakers. You mentioned that

744
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: Courtney Lee miss buzzer beater. I'm sure you've watched it

745
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: over like that should have been a goaltend because I

746
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: think Gasol reaches up and hits the rim from behind

747
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: from under it.

748
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've watched it in Courtney's defense.

749
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: First of all, it was incredible execution, amazing. It was

750
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: a play that we had worked on bunch again, stand

751
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: no surprise, incredible attention to detail, and you know, whether

752
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: it was after practice or at the end of a

753
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: practice or at the end of shoot around.

754
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 4: Throughout the season, like we worked.

755
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: On end of game plays and that was one that

756
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: we had in the in the in the back that

757
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: we had worked on a bunch. We executed it perfectly.

758
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: In his defense, it was incredibly tough angle and he's

759
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: got to finish with Gasol in recovery mode. And I

760
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: want to say, like at the angle he had, he's

761
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: kind of underneath the basket.

762
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: He's on the left side, and he's but he had

763
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: jumped off his right foot. He had jumped off his

764
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: right foot, and so it was like it was an

765
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: awkward angle and a sort of an awkward shot. And

766
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: and you know, after after getting blown out in Game one,

767
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: they just they we had no answer for them to

768
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: come back in Game.

769
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: Two and have a chance to win like that was.

770
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: That was a pivotal moment in that series. So we

771
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 3: we lose that game in overtime. Game three we win.

772
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 3: We played really well, and then Game four I thought

773
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 3: we played great too. And again I don't remember the

774
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 3: exact timing, but I want to say it was eighty

775
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: seven eighty two, and we had the ball.

776
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 4: I think we're at the free I think Dwight was

777
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 4: at the free throw line.

778
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: That we we and Kobe gets this rebound and like

779
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: as much as like the Derek Fisher play to tie,

780
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: it was huge Kobe being able to score in five

781
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: seconds and he just took the ball and he raced

782
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: down the court. He goes against two or three players

783
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: and jumps in the air. He's got nowhere to go

784
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 3: and he throws the ball behind his head to Gasol

785
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: streaking down the court, who lays it in. And it

786
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: was like, man, we talk about plays like swinging a

787
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: series like that one play? What if? What if?

788
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 5: May maybe they do score, but you know what if

789
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 5: they scored in twelve seconds or fourteen seconds. What if

790
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 5: we'd just slowed him down a little bit, Then the

791
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 5: timing on the other possession is different.

792
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: Maybe they have to foul. Maybe Fisher doesn't have as

793
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: much time to tie it up, so we lose. Yeah,

794
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: we lose two overtime games in that series, and then

795
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: Game five, Kobe just he was in full on, you know,

796
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: black mamba bode Like anytime we made a run, he

797
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: had an answer for us. And you could tell, you

798
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: know how much that that moment meant to him for winning,

799
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: especially without without shack. You know, that was the first

800
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: that was a huge moment for him and how important

801
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: that was for his legacy and his career.

802
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: You mentioned the past, but any other specific moments. I mean,

803
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: you're guarding him for much of the series. Uh, it

804
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: must have just been like feeling that aura as a

805
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: young guy.

806
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: What was it?

807
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: What was that like just being right next to Kobe Bryant,

808
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: a guy that you grew up watching, And was there

809
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: any thing he said or specific moments that that stick

810
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: with you today?

811
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, losing losing that finals. I know this

812
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: sounds weird, but losing the finals, I would say it

813
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: was the highlight of my career because, you know, I

814
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: get to I got to play in the NBA finals,

815
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: something you always dream of as someone who loves competition,

816
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: loves competition at the highest level. Getting to play in

817
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: the NBA finals for a championship was surreal, dream come true.

818
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't It wasn't a low light. Even

819
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: though we lost, it was not a low moment in

820
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: my career. And I remember them celebrating afterwards and a

821
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 3: few of us stuck around. I remember Jamier and Dwight

822
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: stuck around to watch them celebrate. I stood there and

823
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: watched with them, and you know, you think you're going

824
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: to be back, especially with our young core. We've got

825
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: everybody under contract except for he who we thought we

826
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: were going to resign him and we thought we would

827
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: be back. And on top of all of that, I

828
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: get to guard Kobe, you know, the best player in

829
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 3: that in that sort of post Jordan era probably the

830
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: best player. And that was that was a highlight for me.

831
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: And I got stops like, yeah, he made a few

832
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: shots on me. But like, you know, I got stops

833
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: on Kobe Bryant and the end finals, and I'll fucking

834
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: I'll fucking tell my grandkids about that someday.

835
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: No, that's beautiful. I mean that's really beautiful.

836
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: And I think people get so caught up in the

837
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: ring culture and it's like if you didn't win a ring,

838
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 2: you're you're a failure. But as we've talked about throughout

839
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: this hole, it's it's really hard to get to that point.

840
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: And you know, even just playing a role in one

841
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: of five Kobe Bryant's championships, you know, even though you're

842
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: at the wrong end, like, that's pretty pretty cool.

843
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that there's there's always gonna be a

844
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 3: little bit of a hole. I don't worry about legacy

845
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: or resume. I mean, just like for me personally, in

846
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: my soul, there's a little hole that I didn't win

847
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: a championship to do in a championship the NBA, Why

848
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 3: else do you play, like WHILELDS do you play? Yes?

849
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: At some point, like it became a job and the

850
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: childhood love that I had for basketball was different. It

851
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: was a different love. I love the grind, I love

852
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 3: working out, I love training I love trying to get better.

853
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: I love having a growth mentality individually. I loved having

854
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: a growth mentality with every team I was on trying

855
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: to problem solved. I love being part of a team.

856
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: I loved all that shit. And I look at my

857
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: career in its entirety. I'm proud of every moment. I'm

858
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: proud of all of it, and I wouldn't change any

859
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: but Jesus man, there's going to be a hole there.

860
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: There is not not for someone else's perception of my career.

861
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: And I think across the board, whether you talk to

862
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 3: Charles Barkley or CP doesn't end one. But we CPN.

863
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: I just talked about this on my podcast, like he

864
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: doesn't need the validation anymore. You know, it's not a

865
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: it's not a validation like O bring is not going

866
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: to validate my career. It's just a it's a it's

867
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: a it's a small hole that will always be there.

868
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: It's an empty feeling that will always be there, and

869
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: like I've got to live with that. It's disappointing, but

870
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: it doesn't it doesn't change what I was able to accomplish,

871
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: or doesn't change. But Charles Barkley was able to accomplish

872
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: in his career. It's greatness like Charles CP go down

873
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 3: the line of greats that didn't win, like there's there's

874
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: still greatness.

875
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 4: There's just that whole. It's always going to be there.

876
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: Maybe you'll get one in podcasting, maybe I'm I think

877
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 2: that would fill the whole.

878
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, I don't know. You know,

879
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: it's it's hard now, and I'm tired because you know,

880
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 3: you you're you're trying to figure out what you're going

881
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: to chase next, because you've got to chase something, you know,

882
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: and you're trying to figure out, you know, from a

883
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 3: competitive standpoint, like what are we going after? And you

884
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 3: know it's not it's not dissimilar at all to my

885
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: career and that you know I put in work. There

886
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 3: was a clear input, a clear strategy, and you live

887
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: with the results. And so like when I when I

888
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: make content to do the same thing I put in

889
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: the work, there's a clear strategy, there's input, and you

890
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 3: have no fucking clue how people are going to react

891
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: or how people are going to perceive something, or how

892
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 3: people will appreciate something. But you can live with whatever

893
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: that is because you know, I put in the work.

894
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 3: Like if anybody was around me in my career, they

895
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: will attest to the fact that I maxed it out,

896
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: Like I maxed it out and it wasn't about maxing

897
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: it out of individually.

898
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 4: It was maxing it out so that I could win.

899
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, I mean it's I don't know, that's

900
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: that's that's why I love the game. I love the game.

901
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: I love chasing after something and in retirement, like, I

902
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 3: don't know, you got to find something to chase after.

903
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: I guess still trying to figure that out out.

904
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're I can just picture you on the golf course,

905
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: like god man, it's well yeah, not exactly game Game

906
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: one of the two thousand and nine finals.

907
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 4: No, I'm believe me. I'm chasing that.

908
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 3: Like there's definitely clear goals, Like you know, I've done

909
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: this for you know, majority of my adult life. You know,

910
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: I write down I try to manifest things every year

911
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: and write down some goals, all of them attainable, like

912
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: nothing crazy. So yeah, like single digit handicap twenty twenty two,

913
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: that's the goal end of the year and at the

914
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: golf season end of October, single digit handicap. That's something

915
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 3: to Chase.

916
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to text you December thirty first, and that's

917
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: if you've got in there.

918
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: Well, JJ, thank you. I know you got to go.

919
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: But this was awesome.

920
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: Like I've said to you before, like this Orlando Magic

921
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: team for whatever reason, like people just love it. Like

922
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 2: whenever I bring up this team two thousand and I'm like, yo,

923
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 2: like that was my team, Like I played with them

924
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: in two k and stuff. So I'm glad that we

925
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 2: got to do the deep dive. I mean real quick,

926
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: just a few minutes. Like we mentioned the next season,

927
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: you guys bringing Vince Hetos out but still really good,

928
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: fifty nine wins again and you lose.

929
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: And then after that.

930
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: Of it you mentioned you and you anticipate being back

931
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: there in that same situation. But as we've seen time

932
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: and time again, those windows can just really close. Maybe

933
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 2: something similar happened with your time with the Clippers. Just

934
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: like any final thoughts to this to this season, give

935
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: it to you.

936
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I I'll follow up on that comment.

937
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 3: You know, I think windows in the NBA uh get

938
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: increasingly tighter. You know, we we we we like to

939
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 3: think of windows. Oh, we've got Joel embiid locked up

940
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: for this amount of years. You know, you don't know.

941
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: We talked about all the luck that's involved. Joel gets hurt,

942
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 3: an other guy gets hurt. You know, there's there's there's

943
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: chemistry issues. Another team makes a huge lead, like what

944
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 3: happened to us with the Clippers. You know, there was

945
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: no way to predict what would happen with the Warriors.

946
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: We beat them my first year there. We think we've

947
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 3: got this long runway. We've got all these guys locked

948
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 3: up in the prime of their careers, and our window

949
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 3: was two years, fourteen and fifteen with the with the magic,

950
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: same thing, we've got a two year window because what

951
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 3: happens after twenty ten? Lebron goes to fucking Miami Heat

952
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: and it's with the wading Chris Bosh and they just

953
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 3: dominate the East. So yeah, these windows close super tight.

954
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: And Matt and I have talked about this a bunch,

955
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: and he's talked about on his podcasts separately of me,

956
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: and I've been on the podcast to talk about with him,

957
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: and he's come on my podcast to talk about this.

958
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 3: Like our twenty ten team was I think a better

959
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 3: team than two thousand and nine. I think we had

960
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: a better chance to win. We were two and zer

961
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: against the Lakers that year. I think we were a

962
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: more complete team. We just couldn't get the job done

963
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: against Boston, you know, and that was you know, a

964
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: healthy kg team. We had a couple of guys really

965
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: struggle in that series, which again you can never you

966
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 3: can never sort of predict these things. But it's so

967
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 3: it's like sports are so fragile, man, sports are so fragile.

968
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 4: Like you think about even the even the the.

969
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant Warriors, like when he signs there, there is

970
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: all the league's over and you've got basically, I mean basically,

971
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: you've got two teams trying for two years. You've got

972
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: Houston trying, and you've got Lebron trying, and that's it.

973
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: You know, well of course going and say yeah, yeah,

974
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: but two other teams trying. And you know when Katie

975
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: they went, they won two championships when Kevin was there,

976
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 3: like a great accomplishment. But the league, like they had

977
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: they had a two year window.

978
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 4: We had a three year window.

979
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: They obviously they got hurt a three year window like

980
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: these windows are are two three years max. And everybody,

981
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: you know, everybody now, especially with the way the league

982
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 3: is and the amount of fucking amazing players there are,

983
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 3: it's you feel like there's a bunch of teams that

984
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 3: are just like one move away or one Kawhi style

985
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: jump away, you know, his jump in San Antonio. It's like,

986
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: if you could get the right guy to develop, it's

987
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 3: just like these teams are one one move away. And

988
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: you know, I feel fortunate that I got to play

989
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: on a bunch of great fucking teams. I love my

990
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: two teams that I played on Philly. Those were teams that,

991
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 3: you know, maybe not my first year, but certainly second year,

992
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: we had a chance to win, you know, and and

993
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: so just like being a part of that, being a

994
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 3: being on a relevant team in the NBA was was rewarding.

995
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I got there are a couple of seasons

996
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: there where I didn't feel like I was on a

997
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: irrelevant team, and that was that was frustrating. You know.

998
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 3: That was something I said to Doc and our free agency,

999
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: coming off our rebuilding year in Orlando. Then I got

1000
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: traded to the Bucks where we ended up getting the

1001
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: eight c with the thirty seven and forty five record,

1002
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: Like I said to him, because you know, Minnesota had offered.

1003
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: I was in talks with Detroit as well, and I

1004
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: said to him, like, Doc, I want to come to

1005
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: l A. I need to be on a relevant team.

1006
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 3: I need to play for a championship. That's what matters

1007
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 3: to me. And I was.

1008
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 4: I was lucky that we got that deal done. I mean,

1009
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 4: you know, thank.

1010
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 2: God he didn't go to Thank god he didn't go

1011
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: to Detroit in Minnesota, man.

1012
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 3: Detroit. Detroit ended up signing Josh Smith instead. So all right, Dylan,

1013
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: I appreciate it, man, I got to bounce. This has

1014
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: been awesome always, dude. I love I love Reminiscent, I

1015
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: love I love those Orlando teams. Such a good group.

1016
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,959
Speaker 3: It was special man, special years.

1017
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: Awesome.

1018
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: Well, thank you JJ. We'll listen to you on Old

1019
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: Man in the three. Really appreciate your time and be good.

1020
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 2: All right, look good, look in your golf game.

1021
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 3: Thanks Bro.

1022
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: That is a wrap. Thank you guys for listening. This

1023
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: is your host, Dylan dreyf Is signing off. I'll be

1024
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: back next week with a new guest and a new

1025
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: season to relive. Drop a rating in a review if

1026
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: you liked what you just heard, We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for the continued support. We'll be

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Speaker 2: back next week. Until then, peace