Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong, and Gatti and he arm Strong and Getty Strong.
Speaker 3: And so I got a couple of stories. One of
Speaker 3: them I told before, and I got to be vague
Speaker 3: about them because they're They're real life stories people have
Speaker 3: told me, and I don't want them to get in
Speaker 3: trouble for.
Speaker 2: You know, passing along more or less confidential information.
Speaker 3: But I told the story a while back about somebody
Speaker 3: who was talking to a group of working class assault
Speaker 3: of the Earth gentlemen, the last kind of dudes that
Speaker 3: you would ever think that.
Speaker 2: This would be a thing for.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about like some Berkeley androgynous poetry majors.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about like work in class, work with their
Speaker 3: hands guys, blue collar guys, talking about how much they
Speaker 3: enjoyed the companionship of the female chatbots when they came
Speaker 3: home from you know, a long day in the field
Speaker 3: at night, and how you know they listen to them
Speaker 3: and understand them and they look forward to it all
Speaker 3: day long, and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And I thought, wow, I mean, if.
Speaker 3: That crowd can fall under the sway of this in
Speaker 3: its current form, mankind is doomed. No, I've never tried it,
Speaker 3: but I almost don't want to because I have some
Speaker 3: concern with like a lot of other things that I've
Speaker 3: dismissed and joked about, and find it more appealing than
Speaker 3: I'd like it to be.
Speaker 4: You know, I would hope that your oogie factor would
Speaker 4: overcome that temptation, but your illustration of the sort of
Speaker 4: fellows who like it is troubling.
Speaker 3: Although I'm luckily I'm not. I don't feel trapped in
Speaker 3: a lonely world like a lot of people do. And
Speaker 3: if you feel like it's, you know, you're lonely and
Speaker 3: it's really difficult out there to meet people and everything
Speaker 3: like that, then this answer comes along.
Speaker 2: It must feel good to you.
Speaker 3: So a slightly different version of this, and also a
Speaker 3: real life story Mom was telling me the other day,
Speaker 3: and it's a troubling story from the beginning, as the
Speaker 3: daughter involved as twelve, but let's go with thirteen because
Speaker 3: it's they're close enough to thirteen but still are Actually
Speaker 3: twelve had ended up in a situation by being in
Speaker 3: a friend's house or whatever. This seventeen year old boy
Speaker 3: was hitting on this young girl in a way that
Speaker 3: they shouldn't if they weren't a creep, but they were,
Speaker 3: and apparently they are a very handsome, smooth talking dude,
Speaker 3: so really got the attention of this quite young girl.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Anyway, mom gets contacted by the school saying, hey, we
Speaker 3: are taking a look at your kid's search history and
Speaker 3: computer use because.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know this, maybe you don't. I mean, I've
Speaker 2: had kids in public school.
Speaker 3: They allow you to use the Chromebook or you buy
Speaker 3: your own Chromebook, but you have to be on the
Speaker 3: school system and they have the right to check and
Speaker 3: see what stuff you're doing on that computer, which I'm fine.
Speaker 2: With, but they have a variety of.
Speaker 3: Protection programs that you know, if you're eighth grade boys
Speaker 3: looking at porn on the Chromebook, the school will contact
Speaker 3: you and say, hey, your kid's using a Chromebook for porn,
Speaker 3: and then you know, you talk to them or step
Speaker 3: in or do whatever, and then if you continue doing it,
Speaker 3: there's penalties down the road.
Speaker 4: But the squad in many schools, if you say I'm
Speaker 4: I want to be transgender, then they won't tell your parents.
Speaker 2: Excellent point.
Speaker 3: Wow, that is really good. Caught your thirteen year old
Speaker 3: looking at naked women. Oh no, what a shock. Your
Speaker 3: thirteen year old wants to become a woman. Keep it
Speaker 3: on the down low a mom and dad's business. Wow,
Speaker 3: good point. But so anyway, this mom got contacted by
Speaker 3: the school. Hey, your twelve year old daughter's computer was
Speaker 3: showing them on this site talking to an advice chat bot,
Speaker 3: sex chat bot. I guess it's particularly in the area
Speaker 3: of sex advice. That's twelve year old and mom. I
Speaker 3: don't remember from reading the back and forth or asking
Speaker 3: the kid now, but either way found out the kid
Speaker 3: was regularly going on this sex chat bot to get
Speaker 3: advice on how to please a seventeen year old boy,
Speaker 3: and really like got addicted and it'd be too much,
Speaker 3: but like really kind of obsessed with, you know, as
Speaker 3: soon as you get home from school, checking in with
Speaker 3: the chat bot and see what the latest advice is
Speaker 3: on how to please a seventeen year old boy.
Speaker 2: And it just became a like hard to break cycle. Wow. Wow, Now.
Speaker 3: If there had been I can't imagine it when I
Speaker 3: was like thirteen, fourteen years old. You know, when you're
Speaker 3: a young man starting to understand things your body is
Speaker 3: capable of doing, or certain urges that can be.
Speaker 2: Enjoyed in a certain way, and there had been some.
Speaker 3: Sort of chatbot I could talk to that would tell
Speaker 3: me sexy stories or do whatever. Oh my god, I
Speaker 3: would have never been I don't know how you got
Speaker 3: me out my room, but you know, so you can
Speaker 3: have the sex talk with your kids. They're having the
Speaker 3: sex talk with some chatbot.
Speaker 4: What's really interesting is that, so far as far as
Speaker 4: I can observe, the premature sexualization of children, which the
Speaker 4: left is so enthusiastic about, has mostly resulted in people
Speaker 4: not pairing off, not actually having sex, not having relationships.
Speaker 2: An interesting.
Speaker 3: Coexistence of those two things, although it makes intuitive sense
Speaker 3: that there would be some, maybe most, who having their
Speaker 3: normal development blocked in this way, if you can picture
Speaker 3: that as a metaphor, A lot of people go to
Speaker 3: the left toward this is all sick and weird and
Speaker 3: I can't handle it never mind, and some people will
Speaker 3: go to the right being hyper sexualized, addicted to pornography, whatever.
Speaker 2: It seems to me, is the.
Speaker 4: Step by step natural progression of the way you become
Speaker 4: aware of the world in adulthood, everything from sex to
Speaker 4: taxes and responsibility and paying bills and real, deep emotional
Speaker 4: relationships with another adult. That's an inch by inch process
Speaker 4: for the entire history of mankind, except now now, and
Speaker 4: I can't resist another shot at the left.
Speaker 2: Forgive me. Now.
Speaker 4: You go to your woke school where you're immediately sexualized
Speaker 4: and you're surrounded by poor or whatever, and that step
Speaker 4: by step is like vaulting a mile at a time
Speaker 4: in a way that their poor young minds and hearts
Speaker 4: can't handle.
Speaker 2: It's incredibly troubling to me. I know, I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: Learning all the things that I learned, like you said,
Speaker 3: little by little, inch by inch over a period of years,
Speaker 3: and just got dumped on me, you know, like a
Speaker 3: bucket on my head, a lot of it, really bad
Speaker 3: ideas and bad advice.
Speaker 2: And all kinds of things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so you're gonna have the sex talk
Speaker 3: with your teenage daughter to make sure she's said, well,
Speaker 3: she's fine and she's got you know, you're not the
Speaker 3: only role model for them. They've got another role model.
Speaker 3: It's the AI bot that they get to talk to.
Speaker 3: And apparently it's a thing like they this person became
Speaker 3: aware of it from friends because that's what the friends
Speaker 3: are doing too, And God, knows what sort of you know,
Speaker 3: the whole garbage in, garbage out?
Speaker 4: Why is why are AI systems woke? Well, because the
Speaker 4: people programming them are and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: You got that issue as well.
Speaker 4: You know, I keep every time we talk about this
Speaker 4: sort of thing, I have the same urge toward you know,
Speaker 4: some sort of fundamentalist subcultural civilization or community or or
Speaker 4: you know, build your own compound or something. And you know,
Speaker 4: people I'd say, yeah, we're fundamentalists, and they say, like
Speaker 4: religious fundamentalist, No, Islamic fundamentalists. No, no, no, no, we're
Speaker 4: just fun to. We just concentrate on the fundamentals of life,
Speaker 4: you know, whatever you want. And know I'm not a
Speaker 4: cult leader, and no I'm not sexing up the young women,
Speaker 4: which tends to be an inevitable thing in these little
Speaker 4: off hue communities. But yeah, we just there's a lot
Speaker 4: of the modern world that sucks. Oh do you like
Speaker 4: not do medicines and stuff?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, we do medicines and vaccinations, you know,
Speaker 3: and all this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we you know, we're not lunatics.
Speaker 3: We've just we've learned to separate the wheat from the
Speaker 3: chaff of the modern world because and this is this
Speaker 3: is so obvious and so fundamental it almost seems stupid
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 4: But we all, as human beings, tend to be swept up.
Speaker 4: And we talked about this a couple of days ago
Speaker 4: in fascinating fashion. We all tend to be swept up
Speaker 4: by the culture and assume everything that is offered to
Speaker 4: us is something we ought to take in.
Speaker 2: And that's not true.
Speaker 3: There is some wheat, but there's some not only chaff,
Speaker 3: but poison, like thumbtacks in the wheat of.
Speaker 2: The modern world. This is a great idea.
Speaker 3: Man, if I had billions, fight eons billions, I would
Speaker 3: start towns like this, or communities or I don't know how.
Speaker 3: You don't I have it an unfold, but you'd be
Speaker 3: like the Amish, except for No, we're not gonna ride
Speaker 3: buggies down the road to work. It's ridiculous. But we're
Speaker 3: not gonna have the damned Internet. We're not gonna have smartphones.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna have all this stupid stuff. We're gonna
Speaker 3: go back to like way back to two thousand and six.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I don't know on the internet. I have
Speaker 2: to think about that.
Speaker 3: But definitely, not smartphones, Definitely, not Ai, Definitely none of
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people would gravitate toward that.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have backyard barbecues and the kids are gonna
Speaker 4: all go off to the side, and they're gonna talk
Speaker 4: and giggle and laugh, and we'll wonder what they'll say
Speaker 4: and if they're saying, and then they'll invent if in
Speaker 4: a game with a ball and a stick, and you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: And is there any way to program morality into any
Speaker 3: of this chatbot stuff? I mean, you couldn't force it,
Speaker 3: but I mean, is there any way to have a
Speaker 3: chatbot says, Wait a second, how old are you?
Speaker 2: I'm twelve.
Speaker 3: While you shouldn't be sex at all, and certainly not
Speaker 3: being in a relationship with a seventeen year old. There's
Speaker 3: either something wrong with them or they're just wanting to
Speaker 3: use you for sex. But this is a bad idea.
Speaker 3: Is there any way a chatbot whatever say that?
Speaker 4: Well, the issue is since groups, since we don't really
Speaker 4: have shared a shared sense of morality anymore, because we've
Speaker 4: become a much more diverse country, the it's impossible to
Speaker 4: quote unquote infuse morality into it because nobody can agree
Speaker 4: on what morality is or should be. Therefore, all things
Speaker 4: digital are utterly a moral They are without morals. Does
Speaker 4: that trouble anybody sending your child into a completely a
Speaker 4: moral environment?
Speaker 3: In this particular story, so chromebook got taken away mom
Speaker 3: late at night. At one point realizes computers missing. Uh oh,
Speaker 3: goes in the daughter's bedroom. Couldn't stay away from the
Speaker 3: sex advice chatbot to please a seventeen year old now
Speaker 3: has to sleep with the computer, all computer devices in
Speaker 3: the bedroom to make sure they I mean, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is not something our parents had to deal with.
Speaker 4: No, I realizing I had to deal with and my
Speaker 4: kids are now mid twenties to early thirties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I realized the hubris that comes with saying this
Speaker 2: is a harder time to be a parent.
Speaker 3: This is a harder time to be a parent than
Speaker 3: it was for previous generations.
Speaker 2: It's horrible.
Speaker 4: Yes, as somebody raised the just one more generation earlier,
Speaker 4: You're right.
Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent. God, it's so crazy.
Speaker 3: Anyway, if you know anything about this or had any
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Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe Satty The Armstrong and Getty Show,
Speaker 1: The arm Strong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2: Now I haven't heard this.
Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom and Bill Maher discussing some California policies.
Speaker 2: We'll discuss I see today the Trump administration.
Speaker 5: They talked about the fact that California had a rule
Speaker 5: that schools cannot be required to notify parents if their
Speaker 5: kids in school have changed their gender, their pronouns. That's
Speaker 5: the kind of thing, even though it doesn't affect a
Speaker 5: lot of people, that makes a lot of people go, well,
Speaker 5: you know what, that's the party without common sense. Now,
Speaker 5: if that's your state, how are you are you?
Speaker 2: I just disagree with that. I mean, the law was
Speaker 2: you would be fired.
Speaker 6: A teacher would be fired if a teacher did not
Speaker 6: report or snitch on a kid talking about their gender identity.
Speaker 6: I just think that was wrong. I think teachers should teach.
Speaker 6: I don't think they should be required to turn in kids.
Speaker 2: And by the way, turning that we're talking about their parents.
Speaker 5: How can snitch The idea of a snitch and a
Speaker 5: parent to me, doesn't combine.
Speaker 6: Just I don't But what is what is the job
Speaker 6: of a teacher?
Speaker 2: It's to teach.
Speaker 6: If Johnny's talking about some identity issue or some issue
Speaker 6: about liking someone of the same sex.
Speaker 2: Is that the teacher's job.
Speaker 3: Oh well, one thing that's clear from that, he is
Speaker 3: not confidently coming out and saying it's ridiculous that teachers
Speaker 3: would not be allowed to tell parents about it, And
Speaker 3: he didn't say that. He had the opportunity right off
Speaker 3: the bat to say that, and he didn't. So there's
Speaker 3: no chance he's gonna be president the United States. You
Speaker 3: cannot be president in the United States unless you're willing
Speaker 3: to take a position on this. It's been proven over
Speaker 3: and over the candidates who try to like fudge these
Speaker 3: things and be wit into thinking they're gonna have it
Speaker 3: both ways. Never works. Never works. Didn't work for Kamala,
Speaker 3: ain't gonna work for Gavin. I can't believe he doesn't
Speaker 3: have the balls to come out and say, even in California,
Speaker 3: what just has gotta be an eighty twenty issue, maybe
Speaker 3: to ninety ten.
Speaker 2: I can't believe he didn't have the balls to say
Speaker 2: that out loud.
Speaker 4: And to claim that Johnny, who now wants to be
Speaker 4: called Jenny, that that would be snitching on the kid
Speaker 4: and akin to maybe the kid hints that maybe he
Speaker 4: likes boys.
Speaker 2: That's just that is so false. I mean, it's so funny.
Speaker 3: And also the job of a teacher is to teach,
Speaker 3: to teach about the genderbread person in radical gender theory, Gavin,
Speaker 3: you require them to teach that stuff. Now, with all
Speaker 3: the crap in California that they haven't teach that's not reading, writing,
Speaker 3: and arithmetic, that ain't gonna fly. And he's trying to
Speaker 3: conflate what DeSantis is doing in Florida, where they have
Speaker 3: the law that you'll be fired if you don't tell
Speaker 3: the parents, and he's trying to act like that's what
Speaker 3: he's fighting against.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, you went completely the other direction
Speaker 2: where the teacher is not allowed to tell the parent.
Speaker 2: That's nuts. Yeah, and every most people think it's nuts.
Speaker 3: As Bill Maher points out, most people think that's nuts.
Speaker 2: I thought Gavin was smarter than that. Here's the deal.
Speaker 4: What's really wrecking him and people like him, thank God,
Speaker 4: is more and more people are understanding the relationship between
Speaker 4: the neo Marxists, the radical you know, gender theory crowd
Speaker 4: or the queer theory crowd, all these lunatics, the neo
Speaker 4: Marxists and their connection to Frances Since the teachers Union,
Speaker 4: which is down with all this stuff, Gavin doesn't dare
Speaker 4: defy the teachers Union, which is down with all this stuff.
Speaker 4: So he went as far as he's going to go
Speaker 4: with his Yeah, there's.
Speaker 2: A injustice there. We need to strike a balance with
Speaker 2: the girls in So it's not the vice versa.
Speaker 3: So it's not the voters that he has in the
Speaker 3: back of his mind when he's answering those questions.
Speaker 2: It's the teachers Union.
Speaker 4: Have the teachers unions and the radical activist class of
Speaker 4: which he I think is to the extent that he
Speaker 4: has any beliefs whatsoever, they seem to be quite progressive.
Speaker 3: I think he believes he wants to be president. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'd like to hear more of that exchange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, because mar cannot be.
Speaker 4: I got to be able to say this. He cannot
Speaker 4: be bull asked. I'll just say that, why do you
Speaker 4: so oily?
Speaker 2: Why do you take so much joy and cursing? I
Speaker 2: don't know, No, it's just it's a wonderful thing. It's
Speaker 2: a wonderful thing.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I consider bull asked to be a
Speaker 4: perfect work universally understood and its meaning.
Speaker 2: It is brief, it has a ring tw it, it
Speaker 2: has a rhythm to it. It's perfect work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and unfortunately the substitutes do not carry the same weight.
Speaker 1: Arm Strong and Getty, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, the
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 7: We were with German police as they conducted early morning
Speaker 7: raids on citizens who had been accused of hate speech,
Speaker 7: threats and inciting violence online.
Speaker 2: In the United States.
Speaker 7: A lot of people look at this and say, this
Speaker 7: is restricting free speech. It's a threat to democracy.
Speaker 2: Free speech meets boundaries. Wow, and yeah, yeah, throw in
Speaker 2: the German accent and that's really something that's from that's
Speaker 2: from sixty minutes Sunday night, coming on the heels of
Speaker 2: JD Vance giving Europe a lecture about censorship and be
Speaker 2: an anti free speech over the weekend.
Speaker 4: And as we will discuss these sixty minutes report was gleefully, weirdly,
Speaker 4: troublingly positive about the idea of restricting free speech if it's.
Speaker 2: The wrong speech.
Speaker 4: Made even more notable their awful attitude by the fact
Speaker 4: that it occurred on the same day as this clip.
Speaker 4: Margaret Brennan talking to Marco Rubio on Face the Nation.
Speaker 8: He was standing in a country where free speech was
Speaker 8: weaponized to kentuckt a genocide, and he met with the
Speaker 8: head of a political party that has far right views
Speaker 8: and some historic ties to extreme groups.
Speaker 4: Margaret Brennan attempting to suggest the JDVS chants shouldn't have
Speaker 4: advocated free speech because free speech is what led to
Speaker 4: the genocide in Germany against the Jews, which is almost
Speaker 4: hilariously idiotic and so wildly inaccurate. It's barely worth the
Speaker 4: time to describe how incredibly inaccurate it was free speech
Speaker 4: under Hitler.
Speaker 2: When was that? Exactly, asks every historian on Earth.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm mister hyperbole, but I feel like that's
Speaker 3: one of the craziest things I've ever heard. One of
Speaker 3: the major Sunday Show anchors say.
Speaker 2: It is Jadavan. Unquestionably, jd Vance was standing in Germany
Speaker 2: where the rise of fascism happened in the genocide, and
Speaker 2: they weaponized free speech. What are you talking about? Oh
Speaker 2: my god, Yeah, she's nuts.
Speaker 3: I'm so lost on this. I don't understand their worldview.
Speaker 3: I guess we'll learn more of this.
Speaker 2: Well I do.
Speaker 4: I can describe it to you exactly. It's the lust
Speaker 4: for power. If you control speech, you control everything else.
Speaker 4: But how does that work in a democracy? Don't you
Speaker 4: The other side gets to do it too when they're
Speaker 4: in charge. Again, I hate even going to that argument
Speaker 4: because then it makes it a conditional thing. Well, for
Speaker 4: practical reasons, I guess you're right. I won't limit free speech.
Speaker 4: I don't even want to go there, right, it's horrific, horrific,
Speaker 4: and how you get there in a democracy. The other
Speaker 4: thing is you declare an emergency. Happens all the time
Speaker 4: both parties. Is Trump's doing it right now and I
Speaker 4: don't approve of it. There are half a dozen different
Speaker 4: emergencies he's declared which are highly questionable for the purpose
Speaker 4: of gaining emergency powers. I hate it on both sides.
Speaker 4: We need to stop anyway, back to sixty minutes. Do
Speaker 4: you want to ring lean our way through the cliffs?
Speaker 4: Doesn't really matter. We can start with eighty Michael.
Speaker 7: It's six' oh one on a Tuesday morning, and we
Speaker 7: were with state police as they rated this upon Hartman
Speaker 7: in northwest Germany, just.
Speaker 2: To put it inside them humid inside.
Speaker 7: Six armed officers searched to suspects home, then seized his
Speaker 7: laptop and cell phone. Prosecutors say those electronics may have
Speaker 7: been used to commit a crime, the crime posting a
Speaker 7: racist cartoon online At the exact same time across Germany.
Speaker 1: All the online as homes for Swiss Neunivorald.
Speaker 7: More than fifty similar raids played out part of what
Speaker 7: prosecutors say is a coordinated effort to curb online hate
Speaker 7: speech in Germany.
Speaker 2: And the one guy points out, maybe it will be
Speaker 2: in one of these clips, the seven thousand cases or
Speaker 2: something that they investigated last year. Wow, that's a lot
Speaker 2: in a country much smaller than the United States. Imagine
Speaker 2: what that would look like in the United States. And
Speaker 2: hate speech, of course, the one of the problems with
Speaker 2: hate speech being who's determining its hate speech, who's making
Speaker 2: the judgment on that? Yes, Sharon ALFONSI helpful.
Speaker 4: He just saved us the trouble and told us the
Speaker 4: cartoon was racist, putting aside whether you know you should
Speaker 4: limit free speech on the basis of quote unquote racism anyway,
Speaker 4: But yeah, what did it say?
Speaker 2: In what sense? Was it racist? Who is it racist against?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: Give me the specifics you're asking for the right to
Speaker 3: censor me, and you just say, take my word, it
Speaker 3: was terrible.
Speaker 2: This part is amazing.
Speaker 7: What's the typical reaction when the police show up at
Speaker 7: somebody's door and they say, hey, we believe you wrote
Speaker 7: this on the internet.
Speaker 9: They say in Germany, we say, that's a bit more
Speaker 9: motives off my zagen. And so we are here with
Speaker 9: crimes of talking posting an internet and the people are
Speaker 9: surprised that this is really illegal to post these kind
Speaker 9: of words.
Speaker 2: They don't think it was illegal.
Speaker 9: Oh, they don't think it was illegal. And they say, no,
Speaker 9: that's my free speech. And we said no, we have
Speaker 9: free speech as well, but it also has his limits.
Speaker 2: I see, I don't.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: I've got to accept that.
Speaker 3: It's just true that obviously, smart people in charge of
Speaker 3: things can say words like that. How can you sail
Speaker 3: it free speech as its limits?
Speaker 2: Well, then it's not free speech. You just nullified the
Speaker 2: first part of your sentence. What the second part of
Speaker 2: the sentence.
Speaker 4: Everybody understands that there are certain limits, but they are
Speaker 4: extremely limited limits. The people like this just say, hey,
Speaker 4: because there are limits, there can be more limits, and
Speaker 4: I will decide what limits there are.
Speaker 2: Control your soul's desire for freedom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's which I respond. No, you don't get to decided,
Speaker 4: No freaking way control your soul's desire for freedom. They
Speaker 4: say in China. This part amaze me. I was unaware
Speaker 4: of this.
Speaker 7: It's illegal to display Nazi symbolism. A Swasaka denied the Holocaust.
Speaker 7: That's that's clear. Is it a crime to insult somebody
Speaker 7: in public? Yes, yes, and it's a crime to insult
Speaker 7: them online as well.
Speaker 2: Yes. The fine could be even higher.
Speaker 9: Yeah, if you insult someone in the internet, why because
Speaker 9: in Internet it stays there. If we are talking at
Speaker 9: face to face, you insult me and sold you okay, finish.
Speaker 9: But if you're in the internet, if I insult you
Speaker 9: or a politician.
Speaker 2: It sticks around forever. Yeah. So she says to these
Speaker 2: three people, it's a fine.
Speaker 3: There's a fine too if you insult someone, and they'll
Speaker 3: just say yeah, like you know, of course.
Speaker 2: What what what defines an insult?
Speaker 3: And folks keep in mind, remember we're still in the
Speaker 3: era certainly on university campuses and in government and some
Speaker 3: other places where if you are insulted, that's proof that
Speaker 3: the other person is done wrong.
Speaker 2: You remember, I didn't mean that to be racist.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what you meant, it's how I received it.
Speaker 3: So you give the person receiving it the carte blanche
Speaker 3: to declare whatever they want to be insulting or hurtful
Speaker 3: or racist or abusive Islam or whatever, and therefore that.
Speaker 2: Falls within Well, that's hate speech.
Speaker 4: Sorry, we're going to take away your right to say
Speaker 4: any to make any criticism that any anybody could even
Speaker 4: implausibly claim is insulting.
Speaker 2: It's horrible. So somebody posts the Chancellor is a moron,
Speaker 2: I assume that would be a crime. Maybe you didn't
Speaker 2: post it, maybe you just did this.
Speaker 7: If somebody posts something that's not true and then somebody
Speaker 7: else reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime.
Speaker 9: In the case of reposting it as a crime as well,
Speaker 9: because the reader contstinguished whether you just invented this or
Speaker 9: just reposted it.
Speaker 2: That's the same for us.
Speaker 3: So when I was listening to that one, I was
Speaker 3: thinking about it was an official Biden Harris campaign ad
Speaker 3: that way we had playing in the United States. Donald
Speaker 3: Trump threatens a bloodbath if he loses, which was absolutely
Speaker 3: a lie in misinformation on the side that sixty minutes
Speaker 3: is on. Would you consider that a crime or only
Speaker 3: when it's coming from the other side. See, that's where
Speaker 3: the rubber meets the road on this whole thing, and
Speaker 3: it gets, you know, unworkable.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I happen to have a couple of articles, think pieces, etc.
Speaker 4: That point out how incredibly one sided this is. It's
Speaker 4: just a lust for power the other thing that really
Speaker 4: and it's funny, we're talking about one of the most
Speaker 4: fundamental human rights that any human beings ever enjoyed. But
Speaker 4: you know what annoyed the crap out of me was
Speaker 4: when they're and I'm not sure if we have these clips,
Speaker 4: but they were talking about the fines, which are fairly heavy.
Speaker 4: I mean it's thousands of dollars in fines and multiple
Speaker 4: offenses can put you in jail. But some people just
Speaker 4: have their phones and their laptops confiscated for good.
Speaker 2: They don't get them back.
Speaker 4: And Sharon al Fonzie said, your phone, wow, because everything's
Speaker 4: on there.
Speaker 2: That is tough.
Speaker 3: And she was amused at the idea of these people
Speaker 3: who indulged in what the Germans are calling hate speech
Speaker 3: getting their devices taken away and not getting access to
Speaker 3: them anymore. She thought that was funny, an insensitive joke.
Speaker 3: They come and take your laptop and your phone and
Speaker 3: you don't get it back, and it's a certain crowd
Speaker 3: that that's awesome. This story I found amusing, but it
Speaker 3: was a twenty.
Speaker 7: Twenty one case involving a local politician named Andy Grote
Speaker 7: that captured the country's attention. Growth complained about a tweet
Speaker 7: that called him a pimmel, a German word for the
Speaker 7: male anatomy, that triggered a police raid and accusations of
Speaker 7: excessive censorship by the government. As prosecutors explained to us,
Speaker 7: in Germany, it's okay to debate politics online, but it
Speaker 7: can't be a crime to call anyone a pimmel, even
Speaker 7: a politician. So it sounds like you're saying it's okay
Speaker 7: to criticize a politician's policy, but not to say I
Speaker 7: think you're a jerk and idiot.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 9: Yeah, commen's like your son of a bitch, excuse me forward.
Speaker 9: This words has nothing to do with a political discussions
Speaker 9: or a contribution to a discussion.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: It's one of the great kanards that sensors use. Here's
Speaker 4: an example where I'm censoring something reasonably right, and then
Speaker 4: you're supposed to extrapolate from there. Therefore, I trust you
Speaker 4: to censor whenever you want. F you no, and you
Speaker 4: are a Pimmel. You're a table full of Pimmels, right.
Speaker 4: I kept thinking that as they used various examples. I thought, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it'd be nice if you could censor that and not
Speaker 4: other stuff. But once you open the door, then you
Speaker 4: start making choices and who's making those.
Speaker 2: Choices, and it gets out of hand really really fast.
Speaker 3: We all lived through this in the United States, so
Speaker 3: we know how off track this can get so fast.
Speaker 3: When it was basically against the rules to say, you know,
Speaker 3: I think the virus probably came out of that lab,
Speaker 3: you couldn't say it for a couple of years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or you would be punished, maybe not by law
Speaker 4: enforcement in the ways we're used to, but you would
Speaker 4: be punished by proxy by the government.
Speaker 2: And CBS, it would seem. And many others.
Speaker 3: A lot of college professors want it to be against
Speaker 3: the law to post misinformation and again misinformation like if
Speaker 3: you get the inoculation, you can still get COVID and
Speaker 3: you can still spread it.
Speaker 2: That is dangerous misinformation. Wow, it's scary. One hundred percent true.
Speaker 3: They're so enthusiastic about it there in Germany, and then
Speaker 3: we got and then CBS is enthusiastic about it too.
Speaker 2: That is freaking frightening. We got a lot more on
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Speaker 3: Why are all lights losers hanging out at the DMV?
Speaker 3: Where are the regular people? There are no regular people
Speaker 3: the DMV. It's almost entirely losers, like in line there
Speaker 3: and stuff you.
Speaker 2: Hang it out, Oh yes, sitting line.
Speaker 3: Never know either's like would be. It's got a bit
Speaker 3: of a Homer Simpson White. Are the things that happen
Speaker 3: to stupid people keep happening to me. But you don't
Speaker 3: look around and see anybody. I mean, I thought this
Speaker 3: when I was twenty five, so this isn't like me now.
Speaker 3: I've always thought this. It's like serving well, every car
Speaker 3: parked in the parking lot is like Dennett and missing
Speaker 3: hubcaps and got you know, a plastic bag over one window.
Speaker 3: The percentage of people with either a crutch or a
Speaker 3: sling is way higher than the regular population. I don't
Speaker 3: know what to make of this. I'm uncomfortable with it.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why it is. I've always wondered that. Now.
Speaker 3: I tweeted that out and some people said, well, those
Speaker 3: of it that there is a separate one for those
Speaker 3: of us who are life's losers.
Speaker 2: It's called Triple A.
Speaker 3: And I did discover that in my thirties that if
Speaker 3: you're a member of Triple A, a lot of the stuff
Speaker 3: you can do there. The thing I'm doing bringing a
Speaker 3: car in from another state, you have to go to
Speaker 3: the DMV. California tries to make it impossible to bring
Speaker 3: a car in from another state because there are ultimate
Speaker 3: goals to have no cars.
Speaker 2: That is the goal of the state of California. They
Speaker 2: hate cars and they would like to get rid of them.
Speaker 2: So you're always.
Speaker 4: Everybody in evs, which tear up the highways, which are
Speaker 4: already bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm registerrying to register an EV and it's
Speaker 3: still just as hard. But anyway, that aside, I had
Speaker 3: a point of Oh somebody did point out though, because
Speaker 3: I got into a lot of conversations online because I
Speaker 3: had two hours to kill wondering about this question. Is
Speaker 3: that uh, further down the ladder of life working out
Speaker 3: for you, or when you're young you drive cheap cars
Speaker 3: that have you know, more difficulties, and you swap cars
Speaker 3: more often, and just with with other crappy cars. Just
Speaker 3: lots of things happen that require the DMV more often. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and there's there's a certain percentage of trips to the
Speaker 3: DMV which are caused by lack of organization, no, no doubt.
Speaker 2: I'm speaking for myself.
Speaker 4: I know that if if if I, for since it
Speaker 4: had gotten the FORMA X thirty four or B in
Speaker 4: on time, I wouldn't have to be standing in that
Speaker 4: damn line. And there's definitely a correlation between ability to
Speaker 4: be organized and think ahead and success in life. You
Speaker 4: either have it or in my case, you marry it
Speaker 4: and thereby avoid a lot of the trips.
Speaker 3: But anyway, well, it's insane that we can't have a
Speaker 3: simpler system though that I know a lot of it
Speaker 3: has gone online, but it all should be easily doable online,
Speaker 3: shouldn't it?
Speaker 2: Why not? Yes, clearly. I wonder if AI can get
Speaker 2: a wrap on this someday where there's a dmv AI
Speaker 2: thing that can tell you, no, you need this form,
Speaker 2: click here and you'll have the form, and then you
Speaker 2: fill out the form and it's submitted on the computer.
Speaker 3: And all of this is nonsense of waiting in line
Speaker 3: for hours. And this didn't happen to me, thank god,
Speaker 3: but I saw it happened to practically everybody around me,
Speaker 3: waiting in line for hours to be told no, you
Speaker 3: need thirty four b you have thirty four.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so Soviet Union. That is so evil. Actually,
Speaker 2: Elon Muskin, the Doge boys.
Speaker 4: They're getting all the attention for cutting this and firing
Speaker 4: them over there, but one of the main priorities they
Speaker 4: have is updating the ridiculously antiquated and unconnected computer systems
Speaker 4: of the government, and I would love to see that
Speaker 4: catch fire. Just as an aside, after the a half
Speaker 4: dozen or so of the Doge leaders made that great
Speaker 4: appearance on the Special Report with Brett Beher, I really
Speaker 4: thought they would be mounting a charm offensive where more
Speaker 4: of those people would be doing more interviews I.
Speaker 2: Haven't seen it.
Speaker 4: It could be that all of the alphabet networks in
Speaker 4: the usual suspects that New York Times have no interest
Speaker 4: in it because it undercuts their narrative of it's just
Speaker 4: a handful of frat boys on meth running around firing nice,
Speaker 4: innocent people with families, when indeed that's not it at all.
Speaker 3: I actually hadn't been in a DMB in quite a
Speaker 3: few years, so I was trying to take the multiple
Speaker 3: hours as an opportunity to just observe, you know, our
Speaker 3: government system at work. I also committed myself to knowing
Speaker 3: that I wouldn't get accomplished where I wanted to accomplish
Speaker 3: in one trip, and I didn't, but to having a
Speaker 3: cheerful look about it as I watched so many people
Speaker 3: get angry and thinking, you've made yourself miserable, You've made
Speaker 3: the person that works there even a little more hardened
Speaker 3: against the public. Nothing good was accomplished by getting upset
Speaker 3: about this, no matter what.
Speaker 2: But I thought, how do you do that job?
Speaker 3: How could you do that job for a day and
Speaker 3: not end up the way a lot of DMV drone
Speaker 3: people are.
Speaker 2: The person I worked with was very cheerful and nice,
Speaker 2: but a lot of them aren't, and I could.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you could work that job one
Speaker 3: week without being one just a mindless boredom of it,
Speaker 3: and then that everybody being mad at you.
Speaker 2: It's really inhumane to subject someone to doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you would do that. I agree.
Speaker 4: It's not an excuse exactly for being mean or abusive,
Speaker 4: but I understand it having out with a public fair amount,
Speaker 4: especially in younger jobs.
Speaker 3: I think it's how TSA people end up where they
Speaker 3: are too, although with the added benefit for both of
Speaker 3: those jobs if you can't be fired, because working in
Speaker 3: retail is a lot of that too, and you have
Speaker 3: to keep your cheerful out look because they can fire
Speaker 3: you and get somebody different, So you have to overcome
Speaker 3: the whole The customers pissed me off are trong, Hey, Jettie,