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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong, and Gatti and he arm Strong and Getty Strong.

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Speaker 3: And so I got a couple of stories. One of

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Speaker 3: them I told before, and I got to be vague

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Speaker 3: about them because they're They're real life stories people have

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Speaker 3: told me, and I don't want them to get in

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Speaker 3: trouble for.

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Speaker 2: You know, passing along more or less confidential information.

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Speaker 3: But I told the story a while back about somebody

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Speaker 3: who was talking to a group of working class assault

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Speaker 3: of the Earth gentlemen, the last kind of dudes that

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Speaker 3: you would ever think that.

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Speaker 2: This would be a thing for.

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about like some Berkeley androgynous poetry majors.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about like work in class, work with their

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Speaker 3: hands guys, blue collar guys, talking about how much they

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Speaker 3: enjoyed the companionship of the female chatbots when they came

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Speaker 3: home from you know, a long day in the field

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Speaker 3: at night, and how you know they listen to them

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Speaker 3: day long, and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: And I thought, wow, I mean, if.

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Speaker 3: That crowd can fall under the sway of this in

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Speaker 3: its current form, mankind is doomed. No, I've never tried it,

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Speaker 3: but I almost don't want to because I have some

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Speaker 3: concern with like a lot of other things that I've

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Speaker 3: I'd like it to be.

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Speaker 4: You know, I would hope that your oogie factor would

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Speaker 4: overcome that temptation, but your illustration of the sort of

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Speaker 4: fellows who like it is troubling.

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Speaker 3: Although I'm luckily I'm not. I don't feel trapped in

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Speaker 3: a lonely world like a lot of people do. And

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Speaker 3: if you feel like it's, you know, you're lonely and

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Speaker 3: it's really difficult out there to meet people and everything

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Speaker 3: like that, then this answer comes along.

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Speaker 2: It must feel good to you.

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Speaker 3: So a slightly different version of this, and also a

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Speaker 3: real life story Mom was telling me the other day,

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Speaker 3: and it's a troubling story from the beginning, as the

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Speaker 3: daughter involved as twelve, but let's go with thirteen because

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Speaker 3: it's they're close enough to thirteen but still are Actually

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Speaker 3: twelve had ended up in a situation by being in

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Speaker 3: a friend's house or whatever. This seventeen year old boy

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Speaker 3: was hitting on this young girl in a way that

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Speaker 3: they shouldn't if they weren't a creep, but they were,

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Speaker 3: and apparently they are a very handsome, smooth talking dude,

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Speaker 3: so really got the attention of this quite young girl.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, mom gets contacted by the school saying, hey, we

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Speaker 3: are taking a look at your kid's search history and

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Speaker 3: computer use because.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you know this, maybe you don't. I mean, I've

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Speaker 2: had kids in public school.

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Speaker 3: They allow you to use the Chromebook or you buy

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Speaker 3: your own Chromebook, but you have to be on the

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Speaker 3: school system and they have the right to check and

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Speaker 3: see what stuff you're doing on that computer, which I'm fine.

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Speaker 2: With, but they have a variety of.

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Speaker 3: Protection programs that you know, if you're eighth grade boys

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Speaker 3: looking at porn on the Chromebook, the school will contact

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Speaker 3: you and say, hey, your kid's using a Chromebook for porn,

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Speaker 3: and then you know, you talk to them or step

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Speaker 4: But the squad in many schools, if you say I'm

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Speaker 4: I want to be transgender, then they won't tell your parents.

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Speaker 2: Excellent point.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is really good. Caught your thirteen year old

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Speaker 3: looking at naked women. Oh no, what a shock. Your

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Speaker 3: thirteen year old wants to become a woman. Keep it

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Speaker 3: good point. But so anyway, this mom got contacted by

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Speaker 3: the school. Hey, your twelve year old daughter's computer was

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Speaker 3: showing them on this site talking to an advice chat bot,

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Speaker 3: sex chat bot. I guess it's particularly in the area

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Speaker 3: of sex advice. That's twelve year old and mom. I

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Speaker 3: don't remember from reading the back and forth or asking

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Speaker 3: and really like got addicted and it'd be too much,

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Speaker 2: And it just became a like hard to break cycle. Wow. Wow, Now.

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Speaker 3: If there had been I can't imagine it when I

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Speaker 2: Enjoyed in a certain way, and there had been some.

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Speaker 3: Sort of chatbot I could talk to that would tell

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Speaker 3: would have never been I don't know how you got

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Speaker 3: me out my room, but you know, so you can

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Speaker 3: have the sex talk with your kids. They're having the

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Speaker 4: What's really interesting is that, so far as far as

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Speaker 4: I can observe, the premature sexualization of children, which the

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Speaker 4: not pairing off, not actually having sex, not having relationships.

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Speaker 2: An interesting.

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Speaker 3: Coexistence of those two things, although it makes intuitive sense

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Speaker 3: that there would be some, maybe most, who having their

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Speaker 3: normal development blocked in this way, if you can picture

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Speaker 3: that as a metaphor, A lot of people go to

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Speaker 3: I can't handle it never mind, and some people will

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Speaker 2: It seems to me, is the.

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Speaker 4: Step by step natural progression of the way you become

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Speaker 4: aware of the world in adulthood, everything from sex to

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Speaker 4: taxes and responsibility and paying bills and real, deep emotional

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Speaker 4: relationships with another adult. That's an inch by inch process

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Speaker 4: for the entire history of mankind, except now now, and

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Speaker 4: I can't resist another shot at the left.

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Speaker 2: Forgive me. Now.

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Speaker 4: You go to your woke school where you're immediately sexualized

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Speaker 4: and you're surrounded by poor or whatever, and that step

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Speaker 4: in a way that their poor young minds and hearts

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Speaker 2: It's incredibly troubling to me. I know, I can't imagine.

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Speaker 3: Learning all the things that I learned, like you said,

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Speaker 2: And all kinds of things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so you're gonna have the sex talk

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Speaker 3: It's the AI bot that they get to talk to.

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Speaker 3: And apparently it's a thing like they this person became

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Speaker 4: Why is why are AI systems woke? Well, because the

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Speaker 4: people programming them are and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: You got that issue as well.

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Speaker 4: You know, I keep every time we talk about this

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Speaker 4: some sort of fundamentalist subcultural civilization or community or or

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Speaker 4: people I'd say, yeah, we're fundamentalists, and they say, like

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Speaker 4: religious fundamentalist, No, Islamic fundamentalists. No, no, no, no, we're

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Speaker 4: just fun to. We just concentrate on the fundamentals of life,

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, we do medicines and vaccinations, you know,

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Speaker 3: and all this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we you know, we're not lunatics.

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Speaker 3: We've just we've learned to separate the wheat from the

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Speaker 4: But we all, as human beings, tend to be swept up.

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Speaker 4: And we talked about this a couple of days ago

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Speaker 4: in fascinating fashion. We all tend to be swept up

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Speaker 2: And that's not true.

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Speaker 3: There is some wheat, but there's some not only chaff,

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Speaker 2: The modern world. This is a great idea.

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Speaker 3: Man, if I had billions, fight eons billions, I would

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Speaker 3: You don't I have it an unfold, but you'd be

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Speaker 3: We're not gonna have all this stupid stuff. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I don't know on the internet. I have

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Speaker 3: But definitely, not smartphones, Definitely, not Ai, Definitely none of

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people would gravitate toward that.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have backyard barbecues and the kids are gonna

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Speaker 4: a game with a ball and a stick, and you know, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And is there any way to program morality into any

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Speaker 3: of this chatbot stuff? I mean, you couldn't force it,

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Speaker 3: While you shouldn't be sex at all, and certainly not

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Speaker 3: being in a relationship with a seventeen year old. There's

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Speaker 3: Is there any way a chatbot whatever say that?

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Speaker 4: Well, the issue is since groups, since we don't really

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Speaker 4: become a much more diverse country, the it's impossible to

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Speaker 4: quote unquote infuse morality into it because nobody can agree

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Speaker 4: on what morality is or should be. Therefore, all things

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Speaker 4: digital are utterly a moral They are without morals. Does

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Speaker 4: that trouble anybody sending your child into a completely a

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Speaker 3: In this particular story, so chromebook got taken away mom

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Speaker 3: this is not something our parents had to deal with.

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Speaker 4: No, I realizing I had to deal with and my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I realized the hubris that comes with saying this

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Speaker 4: Have the teachers unions and the radical activist class of

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I consider bull asked to be a

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Speaker 7: We were with German police as they conducted early morning

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Speaker 7: A lot of people look at this and say, this

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Speaker 4: And as we will discuss these sixty minutes report was gleefully, weirdly,

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Speaker 8: He was standing in a country where free speech was

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Speaker 4: Margaret Brennan attempting to suggest the JDVS chants shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: When was that? Exactly, asks every historian on Earth.

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Speaker 2: It is Jadavan. Unquestionably, jd Vance was standing in Germany

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Speaker 3: I'm so lost on this. I don't understand their worldview.

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Speaker 3: I guess we'll learn more of this.

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Speaker 2: Well I do.

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Speaker 4: I can describe it to you exactly. It's the lust

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Speaker 4: But how does that work in a democracy? Don't you

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Speaker 4: We need to stop anyway, back to sixty minutes. Do

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Speaker 4: Doesn't really matter. We can start with eighty Michael.

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Speaker 7: Six armed officers searched to suspects home, then seized his

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Speaker 2: And the one guy points out, maybe it will be

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Speaker 4: He just saved us the trouble and told us the

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Speaker 2: In what sense? Was it racist? Who is it racist against?

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Speaker 3: Give me the specifics you're asking for the right to

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Speaker 2: This part is amazing.

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Speaker 7: What's the typical reaction when the police show up at

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Speaker 2: They don't think it was illegal.

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Speaker 9: that's my free speech. And we said no, we have

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Speaker 2: I see, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 2: I've got to accept that.

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Speaker 3: It's just true that obviously, smart people in charge of

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Speaker 2: Well, then it's not free speech. You just nullified the

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Speaker 4: Everybody understands that there are certain limits, but they are

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Speaker 4: I will decide what limits there are.

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Speaker 2: Control your soul's desire for freedom.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's which I respond. No, you don't get to decided,

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Speaker 4: No freaking way control your soul's desire for freedom. They

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Speaker 7: It's illegal to display Nazi symbolism. A Swasaka denied the Holocaust.

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Speaker 7: That's that's clear. Is it a crime to insult somebody

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Speaker 7: in public? Yes, yes, and it's a crime to insult

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Speaker 7: them online as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes. The fine could be even higher.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, if you insult someone in the internet, why because

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Speaker 9: in Internet it stays there. If we are talking at

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Speaker 9: face to face, you insult me and sold you okay, finish.

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Speaker 9: But if you're in the internet, if I insult you

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Speaker 9: or a politician.

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Speaker 2: It sticks around forever. Yeah. So she says to these

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Speaker 2: three people, it's a fine.

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Speaker 3: There's a fine too if you insult someone, and they'll

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Speaker 3: just say yeah, like you know, of course.

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Speaker 2: What what what defines an insult?

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Speaker 3: And folks keep in mind, remember we're still in the

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Speaker 3: era certainly on university campuses and in government and some

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Speaker 3: other places where if you are insulted, that's proof that

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Speaker 3: the other person is done wrong.

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Speaker 2: You remember, I didn't mean that to be racist.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what you meant, it's how I received it.

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Speaker 3: So you give the person receiving it the carte blanche

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Speaker 3: to declare whatever they want to be insulting or hurtful

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Speaker 3: or racist or abusive Islam or whatever, and therefore that.

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Speaker 2: Falls within Well, that's hate speech.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, we're going to take away your right to say

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Speaker 4: any to make any criticism that any anybody could even

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Speaker 4: implausibly claim is insulting.

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Speaker 2: It's horrible. So somebody posts the Chancellor is a moron,

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Speaker 2: I assume that would be a crime. Maybe you didn't

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Speaker 2: post it, maybe you just did this.

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Speaker 7: If somebody posts something that's not true and then somebody

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Speaker 7: else reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime.

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Speaker 9: In the case of reposting it as a crime as well,

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Speaker 9: because the reader contstinguished whether you just invented this or

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Speaker 9: just reposted it.

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Speaker 2: That's the same for us.

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Speaker 3: So when I was listening to that one, I was

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Speaker 3: thinking about it was an official Biden Harris campaign ad

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Speaker 3: that way we had playing in the United States. Donald

480
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Speaker 3: Trump threatens a bloodbath if he loses, which was absolutely

481
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Speaker 3: a lie in misinformation on the side that sixty minutes

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Speaker 3: is on. Would you consider that a crime or only

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Speaker 3: when it's coming from the other side. See, that's where

484
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Speaker 3: the rubber meets the road on this whole thing, and

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Speaker 3: it gets, you know, unworkable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I happen to have a couple of articles, think pieces, etc.

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Speaker 4: That point out how incredibly one sided this is. It's

489
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Speaker 4: just a lust for power the other thing that really

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Speaker 4: and it's funny, we're talking about one of the most

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Speaker 4: fundamental human rights that any human beings ever enjoyed. But

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Speaker 4: you know what annoyed the crap out of me was

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Speaker 4: when they're and I'm not sure if we have these clips,

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Speaker 4: but they were talking about the fines, which are fairly heavy.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's thousands of dollars in fines and multiple

496
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Speaker 4: offenses can put you in jail. But some people just

497
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Speaker 4: have their phones and their laptops confiscated for good.

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Speaker 2: They don't get them back.

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Speaker 4: And Sharon al Fonzie said, your phone, wow, because everything's

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Speaker 4: on there.

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Speaker 2: That is tough.

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Speaker 3: And she was amused at the idea of these people

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Speaker 3: who indulged in what the Germans are calling hate speech

504
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Speaker 3: getting their devices taken away and not getting access to

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Speaker 3: them anymore. She thought that was funny, an insensitive joke.

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Speaker 3: They come and take your laptop and your phone and

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Speaker 3: you don't get it back, and it's a certain crowd

508
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Speaker 3: that that's awesome. This story I found amusing, but it

509
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Speaker 3: was a twenty.

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Speaker 7: Twenty one case involving a local politician named Andy Grote

511
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Speaker 7: that captured the country's attention. Growth complained about a tweet

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Speaker 7: that called him a pimmel, a German word for the

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Speaker 7: male anatomy, that triggered a police raid and accusations of

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Speaker 7: excessive censorship by the government. As prosecutors explained to us,

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Speaker 7: in Germany, it's okay to debate politics online, but it

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Speaker 7: can't be a crime to call anyone a pimmel, even

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Speaker 7: a politician. So it sounds like you're saying it's okay

518
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Speaker 7: to criticize a politician's policy, but not to say I

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Speaker 7: think you're a jerk and idiot.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, commen's like your son of a bitch, excuse me forward.

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Speaker 9: This words has nothing to do with a political discussions

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Speaker 9: or a contribution to a discussion.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 4: It's one of the great kanards that sensors use. Here's

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Speaker 4: an example where I'm censoring something reasonably right, and then

527
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Speaker 4: you're supposed to extrapolate from there. Therefore, I trust you

528
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Speaker 4: to censor whenever you want. F you no, and you

529
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Speaker 4: are a Pimmel. You're a table full of Pimmels, right.

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Speaker 4: I kept thinking that as they used various examples. I thought, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it'd be nice if you could censor that and not

532
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Speaker 4: other stuff. But once you open the door, then you

533
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Speaker 4: start making choices and who's making those.

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Speaker 2: Choices, and it gets out of hand really really fast.

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Speaker 3: We all lived through this in the United States, so

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Speaker 3: we know how off track this can get so fast.

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Speaker 3: When it was basically against the rules to say, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think the virus probably came out of that lab,

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Speaker 3: you couldn't say it for a couple of years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or you would be punished, maybe not by law

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Speaker 4: enforcement in the ways we're used to, but you would

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Speaker 4: be punished by proxy by the government.

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Speaker 2: And CBS, it would seem. And many others.

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Speaker 3: A lot of college professors want it to be against

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Speaker 3: the law to post misinformation and again misinformation like if

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Speaker 3: you get the inoculation, you can still get COVID and

547
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Speaker 3: you can still spread it.

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Speaker 2: That is dangerous misinformation. Wow, it's scary. One hundred percent true.

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Speaker 3: They're so enthusiastic about it there in Germany, and then

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Speaker 3: we got and then CBS is enthusiastic about it too.

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Speaker 2: That is freaking frightening. We got a lot more on

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Speaker 2: the way now.

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Speaker 3: Why are all lights losers hanging out at the DMV?

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Speaker 3: Where are the regular people? There are no regular people

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Speaker 3: the DMV. It's almost entirely losers, like in line there

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Speaker 3: and stuff you.

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Speaker 2: Hang it out, Oh yes, sitting line.

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Speaker 3: Never know either's like would be. It's got a bit

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Speaker 3: of a Homer Simpson White. Are the things that happen

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Speaker 3: when I was twenty five, so this isn't like me now.

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Speaker 3: I've always thought this. It's like serving well, every car

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Speaker 3: parked in the parking lot is like Dennett and missing

593
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Speaker 3: hubcaps and got you know, a plastic bag over one window.

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Speaker 3: The percentage of people with either a crutch or a

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Speaker 3: sling is way higher than the regular population. I don't

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Speaker 3: know what to make of this. I'm uncomfortable with it.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know why it is. I've always wondered that. Now.

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Speaker 3: I tweeted that out and some people said, well, those

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Speaker 3: of it that there is a separate one for those

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Speaker 3: of us who are life's losers.

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Speaker 2: It's called Triple A.

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Speaker 3: And I did discover that in my thirties that if

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Speaker 3: you're a member of Triple A, a lot of the stuff

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Speaker 3: you can do there. The thing I'm doing bringing a

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Speaker 3: car in from another state, you have to go to

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Speaker 3: the DMV. California tries to make it impossible to bring

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Speaker 3: a car in from another state because there are ultimate

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Speaker 3: goals to have no cars.

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Speaker 2: That is the goal of the state of California. They

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Speaker 2: hate cars and they would like to get rid of them.

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Speaker 2: So you're always.

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Speaker 4: Everybody in evs, which tear up the highways, which are

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Speaker 4: already bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm registerrying to register an EV and it's

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Speaker 3: still just as hard. But anyway, that aside, I had

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Speaker 3: a point of Oh somebody did point out though, because

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Speaker 3: I got into a lot of conversations online because I

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Speaker 3: had two hours to kill wondering about this question. Is

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Speaker 3: that uh, further down the ladder of life working out

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Speaker 3: for you, or when you're young you drive cheap cars

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Speaker 3: that have you know, more difficulties, and you swap cars

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Speaker 3: more often, and just with with other crappy cars. Just

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Speaker 3: lots of things happen that require the DMV more often. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and there's there's a certain percentage of trips to the

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Speaker 3: DMV which are caused by lack of organization, no, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking for myself.

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Speaker 4: I know that if if if I, for since it

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Speaker 4: had gotten the FORMA X thirty four or B in

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Speaker 4: on time, I wouldn't have to be standing in that

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Speaker 4: damn line. And there's definitely a correlation between ability to

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Speaker 4: be organized and think ahead and success in life. You

632
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Speaker 4: either have it or in my case, you marry it

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Speaker 4: and thereby avoid a lot of the trips.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, well, it's insane that we can't have a

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Speaker 3: simpler system though that I know a lot of it

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Speaker 3: has gone online, but it all should be easily doable online,

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Speaker 3: shouldn't it?

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Speaker 2: Why not? Yes, clearly. I wonder if AI can get

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Speaker 2: a wrap on this someday where there's a dmv AI

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Speaker 2: thing that can tell you, no, you need this form,

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Speaker 2: fill out the form and it's submitted on the computer.

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Speaker 3: And all of this is nonsense of waiting in line

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Speaker 3: for hours. And this didn't happen to me, thank god,

645
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Speaker 3: but I saw it happened to practically everybody around me,

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Speaker 3: waiting in line for hours to be told no, you

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Speaker 3: need thirty four b you have thirty four.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's so Soviet Union. That is so evil. Actually,

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Speaker 2: Elon Muskin, the Doge boys.

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Speaker 4: They're getting all the attention for cutting this and firing

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Speaker 4: them over there, but one of the main priorities they

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Speaker 4: have is updating the ridiculously antiquated and unconnected computer systems

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Speaker 4: of the government, and I would love to see that

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Speaker 4: catch fire. Just as an aside, after the a half

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Speaker 4: dozen or so of the Doge leaders made that great

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Speaker 4: appearance on the Special Report with Brett Beher, I really

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Speaker 4: thought they would be mounting a charm offensive where more

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Speaker 4: of those people would be doing more interviews I.

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Speaker 2: Haven't seen it.

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Speaker 4: It could be that all of the alphabet networks in

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Speaker 4: the usual suspects that New York Times have no interest

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Speaker 4: in it because it undercuts their narrative of it's just

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Speaker 4: a handful of frat boys on meth running around firing nice,

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Speaker 4: innocent people with families, when indeed that's not it at all.

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Speaker 3: I actually hadn't been in a DMB in quite a

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Speaker 3: few years, so I was trying to take the multiple

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Speaker 3: hours as an opportunity to just observe, you know, our

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Speaker 3: government system at work. I also committed myself to knowing

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Speaker 3: that I wouldn't get accomplished where I wanted to accomplish

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Speaker 3: in one trip, and I didn't, but to having a

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Speaker 3: cheerful look about it as I watched so many people

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Speaker 3: get angry and thinking, you've made yourself miserable, You've made

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Speaker 3: the person that works there even a little more hardened

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Speaker 3: against the public. Nothing good was accomplished by getting upset

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Speaker 3: about this, no matter what.

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Speaker 2: But I thought, how do you do that job?

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Speaker 3: How could you do that job for a day and

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Speaker 3: not end up the way a lot of DMV drone

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Speaker 3: people are.

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Speaker 2: The person I worked with was very cheerful and nice,

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Speaker 2: but a lot of them aren't, and I could.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you could work that job one

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Speaker 3: week without being one just a mindless boredom of it,

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Speaker 3: and then that everybody being mad at you.

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Speaker 2: It's really inhumane to subject someone to doing that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you would do that. I agree.

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Speaker 4: It's not an excuse exactly for being mean or abusive,

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Speaker 4: but I understand it having out with a public fair amount,

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Speaker 4: especially in younger jobs.

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Speaker 3: I think it's how TSA people end up where they

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Speaker 3: are too, although with the added benefit for both of

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Speaker 3: those jobs if you can't be fired, because working in

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Speaker 3: retail is a lot of that too, and you have

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Speaker 3: to keep your cheerful out look because they can fire

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Speaker 3: you and get somebody different, So you have to overcome

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Speaker 3: the whole The customers pissed me off are trong, Hey, Jettie,