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Speaker 1: Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. When I hear the

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Speaker 1: the most horrible locations that she could have ever been. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags. Jackie Howard,

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Speaker 1: the executive producer of Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, is

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Speaker 1: joining me again today. Jackie. I know that you're from

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Speaker 1: that area of the country up in Tennessee, and it

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Speaker 1: Edna is actually the first in the history of the

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Speaker 1: you begin to think, you know, will this ever end?

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Speaker 1: The human side of your kicks in and you're hoping,

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Speaker 1: against hope that there won't be anymore. But in the

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Speaker 1: case of Daniel Prince, there did turn out to be

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Speaker 1: another one, and that was a lady named Lee Goodman. Jackie.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I'm I'm at a loss. She

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00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: she had kind of a difficult life but had succeeded

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Speaker 1: in spite of a lot of pitfalls that she had experienced.

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Speaker 1: She did She had been married multiple times. She had

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Speaker 1: four children that she raised successfully in that they moved

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00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: on to be successful themselves. But she still lived her

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00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: life a little bit on the transient side, not in

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Speaker 1: what we think most of the time when people talk

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Speaker 1: about transience. She just liked to move around a lot.

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Speaker 1: She was a licensed occupational therapist and she did like

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Speaker 1: to move around a lot. But unfortunately for her, she

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00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: ran into Daniel Prince. In fact, she lived on his

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00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: property for a while. The relationship is kind of interesting

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00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: and murky because you know it, all of these people

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Speaker 1: that Prince has associated with, he seems to in some

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Speaker 1: way be able to kind of insert himself into their lives.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you know, we think back

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Speaker 1: to how some of these deaths came about, that came

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Speaker 1: about as a result of him essentially preparing a lethal

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Speaker 1: cocktail of medication. He had gotten that medication from one

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Speaker 1: of the victims and had held onto it. Now you

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00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: talk about purposed, you know, he's taking medication that I

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00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: think that could be sold on the street, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about something and like ada vand that's an

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Speaker 1: anti anxiety medication, you know, kind of like xan X

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Speaker 1: that would have some value to it. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: he didn't use it himself. He didn't try to sell

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Speaker 1: it on the street. He held onto it because it

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00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: had utility, and he would purpose himself, at least from

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Speaker 1: my perspective, to interject himself into these ladies lives, every

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Speaker 1: single one of them. And Lee Goodman was no different.

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Speaker 1: You know, you begin to think about somebody that is

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Speaker 1: predator like Prince, and you know, the police, the FBI

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00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: as well as the locals and the state police, they

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00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: identified him as a monster. They said that he was

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Speaker 1: a predator and he's always on the lookout. So you

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Speaker 1: take someone like Ms Goodman, who had, like you had

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Speaker 1: mentioned Jackie, had lived kind of a transient life, had

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Speaker 1: moved around a bit, had some instability, been through multiple marriages.

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Speaker 1: She's going to have an area that can be exploited.

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Speaker 1: She's looking for a place to live. Yeah, come on,

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Speaker 1: I've got a nice place. I've got property. You can

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00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: live here on my property. My wife won't mind, you know,

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00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: come and stay here for a while. But you know,

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00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: that's what a predator does. They want to be able

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Speaker 1: to take advantage of individuals that they know that they

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Speaker 1: can have success against. Keep in mind, he's not going

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Speaker 1: after some you know, two and fifty pound NFL linebacker here.

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00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: He's going against people that are down their luck many times,

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00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: or that are weakened by age or infirmity. He's inserting

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00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: himself into their life. You know, he's even looking for people.

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00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: You look at Edna, people that do good in the community.

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00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: You know, she probably talked to anybody that's walking down

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Speaker 1: the street. They just look for that point that they

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00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: can kind of dig themselves into their lives and insert themselves.

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Speaker 1: And you know. As it turned out, when the police

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Speaker 1: began to talk to him, he you know, actually admitted

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Speaker 1: that he did, in fact kill Lee Goodman. What sets

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Speaker 1: these murders apart is the fact that it seems that

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Speaker 1: Daniel Prince praise on older women. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: say elderly, but the women that he seems to have

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00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: preyed on were over fifty. But one of the other

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00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: things that stands out about him as a serial killer

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00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: is the way he kills people. We know that he poisoned,

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00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: we know that he shot, but we don't really know

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Speaker 1: what he did to Lee Goodman. No, we don't. And

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00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: guess what, we never will. They couldn't come up with

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Speaker 1: a conclusion relative to how her life had ended. One

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00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: of the more chilling aspects to this case is that

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00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: the police put out the information that of the two

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Speaker 1: women that to this date that are still missing, Daniel

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Speaker 1: Prince disposed of their bodies, by his own admission, in

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00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: a manner in which they can never be recovered. And

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Speaker 1: just think about what that entails. If you're not capable

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Speaker 1: of of finding the bodies and there are in no

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00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: condition to be examined, how are you ever going to

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Speaker 1: make an exact determination, and that puts the police, the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General, the FBI, it puts them in a position

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Speaker 1: where they're having to be totally reliant upon the word

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Speaker 1: of a monster, of a predator, Daniel Prince in this case,

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00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: that that's really all you have to go on. And

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Speaker 1: I have to say, you know, the police have played

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Speaker 1: this very close to the vest because this case actually

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00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: did become a federal case and the FEDS prosecuted this.

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00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: It was actually tried or heard in the federal district court,

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00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: and Daniel Prince wound up going to federal prison for

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Speaker 1: the rest of his life. By the way, not as

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Speaker 1: much information has been released in these cases, as say,

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Speaker 1: for instance, this had occurred at a state level where

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Speaker 1: the state was the sole investigator. The many times the

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00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: FEDS are not as likely to release information the specifics

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Speaker 1: about a case, to say the locals or the state

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00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: police might be. I think what frightens me the most

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Speaker 1: about hearing the details of all of these investigations is

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Speaker 1: the knowledge that this is probably not the only murders

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00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: he's ever committed. It's just the ones that we know about.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right when you consider the fact that Daniel

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00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: Prince has done time in the Michigan State Penitentiary for kidnapping.

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Speaker 1: I was in Michigan. These cases took place in South

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00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: Carolina and North Carolina. Where's he been in the interim?

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00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: What has occurred? And also the fact that he was

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Speaker 1: willing to give up specific information about these four women

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00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: that we're covering today really gives you pause. You think,

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00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: you know, where else has he been, who else? Who

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00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: else has he impacted along the way, What other families

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00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: are missing people that might be associated with this man?

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00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: You know, because he's He's not like a stranger that

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00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: hides in the darkness and then steps out suddenly, like

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00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: some kind of monster in a movie. He's a guy

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00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: that warms up to you. He's a guy that becomes

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00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: your friend. He's a guy that you give power of

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00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: attorney to. He's a guy that takes your s s

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Speaker 1: I checks, and then he's he's a guy that absolutely

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Speaker 1: destroys you. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body

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Speaker 1: backsh