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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew, how's going.

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Speaker 2: This is Texans in the Lab. I'm Drew Doherty. That's

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Speaker 2: John Harris. If you're watching us on YouTube, thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's John pantomimes all this stuff. Johnk you tilt up

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Speaker 2: your camera just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all my white hair, Yeah, we'll go.

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Speaker 4: See all my white hair. Is that what you're trying

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Speaker 4: to all my golden locks?

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Speaker 2: John Mini camp mandatory Mini camp rolls on the Texans.

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Speaker 2: On Wednesday worked a little bit outside and then they

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Speaker 2: went inside. I was there for the outside portion and

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Speaker 2: it was glorious because beforehand I slathered sunscreen into my

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Speaker 2: forehead and my nose because as you know, I'm translucent,

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Speaker 2: and if I get a sunburn, I get cadaverous. You know,

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Speaker 2: it gets that much more can But I went out

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Speaker 2: there grace guys. They had the lights on. It was

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Speaker 2: was fun. Then the team went inside, got a lot

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Speaker 2: of good work in and it was a productive day.

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Speaker 2: So what I want to talk about today is the

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Speaker 2: pass rush, because we heard from presumably your three leading

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Speaker 2: sack artists for twenty twenty four. Now, there could be

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Speaker 2: some surprises, or there could be a guy like Derek

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Speaker 2: Barnett who rises up but at the podium following to

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Speaker 2: me go Ryan's. On Wednesday, the Texans trotted out Will

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Speaker 2: Anderson Junior, Denico Autry, and Daniel Hunter, three pretty salty

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Speaker 2: defensive linemen. And I want to start with Will Anderson Jr.

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Speaker 2: He got pretty in depth about what he's worked on

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Speaker 2: this offseason. Somebody said, you know, what were your what

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Speaker 2: about the dad? And he gave this answer.

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Speaker 5: Pass rush is so many different things and you really

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Speaker 5: until you finally get like a chance to talk to

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Speaker 5: other pass rushers in Mouth Garrett and Danil and working

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Speaker 5: on your ankle flex and working on your hips, all

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Speaker 5: those different things just to loosen you up to be

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Speaker 5: able to be more bandie around the edge, so better

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Speaker 5: open up more moves for you. So for me, like

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Speaker 5: that was my biggest thing is like working with my

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Speaker 5: ankle mobility, working in my hips, range strengths, grip strength,

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Speaker 5: all those things to like, those are areas that I've

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Speaker 5: really been focusing on in this ota. I've had the

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Speaker 5: privilege to, you know, learn from Daniel and see how

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Speaker 5: he works and try to some of the moves and

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Speaker 5: stuff like that, and they're working because I've learned how

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Speaker 5: to take care of my body and how to do

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Speaker 5: those things to help me turn the corner, how to

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Speaker 5: help me get off blocks, how to help me escape,

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Speaker 5: how to use a long gom and things like that.

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Speaker 2: Which is pretty detailed. John that that's pretty cool stuff

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Speaker 2: to hear from number fifty one. I'm excited because you've

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Speaker 2: got Autrey in there, and where you get to Autrey

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Speaker 2: in just a moment. You've got Danil Hunter, who is

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Speaker 2: an absolute forced to be reckoned with and has been

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Speaker 2: so for a long time now in the NFL. But

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Speaker 2: when you hear Anderson described in describing such details some

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Speaker 2: it's got to get you pretty excited. Because he was

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Speaker 2: a monster last year. He was defensive Rookie of the Year,

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Speaker 2: and you presume he's going to get better, and then

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Speaker 2: with Anderson describing all those things, I'm pretty pumped. Are

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think about a lot of times try and relate

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Speaker 4: I use my teaching analogy all the time. You know,

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Speaker 4: I can be a little bit better with this, and

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Speaker 4: you start to then focus on those and make those

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Speaker 4: think last year Will was just firing. I think Matt

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Speaker 4: Burke put it best. Last year, Will Anderson was just

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Speaker 4: throwing fastballs. He's just doing fastball as fastball as fastball now,

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Speaker 4: as fastball as ninety eight ninety nine. It's a good fastball.

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Speaker 4: It was a great fastball. I think as the year

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Speaker 4: because Will is that talented, he's that relentless to the

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Speaker 3: That's like a pitcher adding a third pitch. Yeah wow, Like.

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Speaker 2: You say, the fastball is nice, but right, why don't

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Speaker 4: And throwing a sweeper? Well, the six whatever you got

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Speaker 4: thinking more technically about Okay, this is where I want

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Speaker 3: I'm really good at throwing this pitch now this I want.

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Speaker 4: To put it here. So I think about that in

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Speaker 4: kind of terms of pitching. You know, he's added a

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Speaker 4: pictures all the time. You know, hey, I'm working on

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Speaker 4: a changeup this uh down spring training, you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: Well, none of those other pitches work.

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Speaker 4: If your fastball sucks, if you're throwing an eighty six

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Speaker 3: Will doesn't. Will's got that fastball. Now he's adding to

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of the way that that I, you know,

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Speaker 4: analy you know, make an analogy to baseball and that

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Speaker 4: in that sense a lot of people understand baseball. So

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Speaker 4: it's like, just think about pictures adding pitches. I think

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Speaker 4: that's Will what Will's talking about. And it's very very

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Speaker 4: You know, just the risk, you know, the tork all that,

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Speaker 4: talking about. But it's just in a football sense. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but that's kind of how you can think about in

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Speaker 4: a baseball sense. That's exactly what Will is doing. When

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Speaker 4: you've been around like a guy like Daniel Hunter, and

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Speaker 3: To throw a couple different types of change ups.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you throw a circle change, maybe there's a different

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Speaker 4: kind of fourced seamer that you like to throw. Those

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Speaker 4: are the things Daniel Hunter's done, and he's mastered those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the interject here, so he's Anderson's around Hunter

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Speaker 2: and picking his brain and all that stuff and learning

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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett. That's right, this offseason working out with Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the best pass rusher in the league right now.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not, you can argue, but there's strong arguments either

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Speaker 4: Okay, go back, Yeah, And to that point, you know

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Speaker 4: Miles Garrett, you know people, Miles, Miles might be the

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Speaker 3: I happened to be on a field. I was doing

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Speaker 4: I turned around and all of a sudden, he was

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing about Miles, And I think, did he.

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Speaker 2: If he had a hit you, would it have been

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Speaker 2: as hard as he hit Mike Bercovicci that day?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Probably did he hit Mike Bercovicci. Yeah, he hit Mike

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Speaker 4: burk Vicci a lot in that game. But I think

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Speaker 4: the one thing about Miles I've heard him miked up.

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Speaker 4: I've heard him talk and speak about pass rushing. He

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Speaker 4: is these very very smart about how he goes about

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Speaker 4: his rushes and what he's what he's trying to do.

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Speaker 4: He has a plan every single time he fires off

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Speaker 4: you can. He don't really have a plan. These guys

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Speaker 4: have plans, the great ones do. The great ones have

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Speaker 4: a plan for how they're going to attack and set

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Speaker 4: process of learning how to do all of that. He

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Speaker 4: did it at the college level, but now he's he's

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Speaker 4: taking all the information he gathered as a rookie and

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Speaker 4: now he's just storing it, saying, Okay, against this guy

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Speaker 3: Kind of guys, I can do that.

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Speaker 4: And I think he's kind of storing that, and he's

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Speaker 4: also trying to pick the brain to those guys. Hey,

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Speaker 4: you know, this is the kind of guy that gave

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Speaker 4: me some issue last year. How do I what do

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Speaker 4: I need to do? What's the best way to go

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Speaker 4: about this? What do my feet need to be? You know,

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Speaker 4: we talked about the hands all the time, but where

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Speaker 4: the feet need to be. And that was one thing

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Speaker 4: that the Neil Hunter talked about, was you know, connecting

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Speaker 4: your hands and your feet on your rush. And I

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Speaker 4: thought that was very astute from Daniel Hunter. So I

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Speaker 4: think Will has got kind of the best of all worlds.

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Speaker 4: And Will also knows in certain cases that he can

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Speaker 4: fire off the ball and just long arm or bull

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Speaker 4: rush a tackle and he's probably going to get somewhere

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Speaker 4: near the quarterback because that's just the kind of power,

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Speaker 4: uh and leverage that he plays with.

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Speaker 3: Mike God, I'm so glad it Will Anderson Junior's attacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. Another thing that really intrigued me was Deniko. Well,

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Speaker 2: just I'm intrigued by what he's going to mean to

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Speaker 2: this defense this year on the whole, Deniko Autrey because

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Speaker 2: he can play you know, a variety of spots on

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Speaker 2: the defensive line very very effectively at a very high level,

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Speaker 2: and he causes problems and it's fun here from from

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Speaker 2: Demiico Demiko ryans today about what other people around the

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Speaker 2: league think of Denico Autrey, and Debko said, this.

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Speaker 6: One of the toughest and most respective players across the league.

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Speaker 2: But then when Denico Autry spoke, that guy doesn't mess around.

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Speaker 1: They really know what I'm changed.

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Speaker 5: If you're just getting off an attacking I I'm just

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Speaker 2: We touched on Denico Autrey a few months ago after

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty high. Deniko didn't do.

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Speaker 3: I go back. I remember this. It was date. I

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Speaker 4: Two free agency, and on day one Deniko had agreed

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Speaker 2: I feel like there's another teammate or two that were

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Speaker 3: That gets to be really really fun when you think

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Speaker 4: And Denico Autry is when you see him, you're like, man,

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Speaker 4: He's not a permanent tackle, He's not a permanent end,

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Speaker 2: I didn't get a chance to listen, and I apologize

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Speaker 3: Who Tim Settle?

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Speaker 4: I barely got a Virginia Tech question to him about

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Speaker 3: Part at all.

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Speaker 2: Like he played with this dude, I think going on nine,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think he's gonna end up being a

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Speaker 3: When Jerry Hughes was at his best, that's what you

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Speaker 3: And I think this group is as good a four

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's wrap with this a name that we heard

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Speaker 4: the the oiler Jersey game as I don't know, they'll

436
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Speaker 4: probably be a name for it, but the other Jersey game.

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Speaker 3: These have been sick all week.

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Speaker 4: Day of shame, Yeah, day of shame where it suckers.

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Speaker 3: As these have been sick that whole week.

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Speaker 4: In fact, they had the flu running through that building apparently,

441
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Speaker 4: and Asese had been sick that entire week. And he

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Speaker 4: goes out there and I remember thinking, I told Mark,

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Speaker 4: I was like, you know, okay, good because if there's

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Speaker 4: anybody that I don't want on the field, it's a ease.

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Speaker 3: Well, that dude was out on the field.

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Speaker 2: He registered seventy four tackles.

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Speaker 3: It felt like it felt like it drew.

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Speaker 4: I mean it felt like he was all over the

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Speaker 4: place in that game, and he played with an energy

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Speaker 4: that Okay, that guy was sick. Really, holy cow, he

451
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Speaker 4: just he was so impressive to see live. And I'd

452
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Speaker 4: seen him before, I had seen him so many times.

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Speaker 4: In that game, he had thirteen tackles, two tackles for

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Speaker 4: a loss, and a quarterback hit and he's playing with

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Speaker 4: basically the flute.

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Speaker 3: You know what. It reminded me of.

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Speaker 2: It reminded me of Week two or three the year

458
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Speaker 2: before when the Texans went to Chicago and we'd heard

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Speaker 2: all week that Rokuwan Smith basically had like a broken

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Speaker 2: leg and yeah, yeah, yeah, and then he has fifteen

461
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Speaker 2: tackles and he picks off the pass deep in your

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Speaker 2: territory to set up the game winner. You know, the

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Speaker 2: game was on the line, and he showed up. Yeah

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Speaker 2: he I mean made to play the game.

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Speaker 3: You're exactly right. I mean it's very very similar.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, I think Rocan I think he and

467
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Speaker 4: Fred one of the two best linebackers in the league.

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Speaker 4: Is he's else Yeah yeah, yeah, I know, but but

469
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Speaker 4: disease plays with the spirit of those guys. Yeah, you know, so,

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought him up beyond that game, he

471
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Speaker 4: had seventy five defensive snaps, four special team snaps.

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Speaker 3: He played seventy nine snaps.

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Speaker 4: He missed just two snaps in that game against US,

474
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Speaker 4: playing with the flu, and played his guts out and

475
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Speaker 4: nearly you know, dragged that team to a win. And

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Speaker 4: then when they played US here, you know, they were

477
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Speaker 4: beat up. I mean just mentally physically, they were beat up.

478
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Speaker 4: And and and CJ returned and just gave it to him.

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Speaker 4: But I'm so glad that he's a part of this

480
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Speaker 4: because he knows this defense, he knows Demiko, he knows

481
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Speaker 4: what Demiko wants, and he's the leader.

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Speaker 3: That's one thing Will Anderson talked about, Yeah.

483
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Speaker 4: The leadership that comes from Azase, that comes from these linebackers.

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Speaker 3: He you know, as he's and Christian Harris.

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Speaker 4: Will told a funny story about how Christian Harris was,

486
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Speaker 4: you know, kind of getting on him about, you know,

487
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Speaker 4: staying on side and doing things right, and you Will

488
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 4: was mad at himself and there Christian Harris kind of saying, hey, man,

489
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Speaker 4: let's go get get together. Quit being depressed. Let's go

490
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 4: and Will just was like, Okay, I got guys that

491
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Speaker 4: are gonna challenge me. He doesn't have to be that

492
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Speaker 4: guy all the time. Yeah, it can be his teammates,

493
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Speaker 4: and I know Aziz will give that Christian Harris. There

494
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Speaker 4: guys in the bad defensive backfield that can do that.

495
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 4: So uh yeah, it was a good mini camp. I

496
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Speaker 4: thought some guys really showed out well. I thought there

497
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Speaker 4: was a rookie that really really stepped to the forefront.

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Speaker 3: And there was some.

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Speaker 4: Question about him when he was drafted by some people

500
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Speaker 4: that really hadn't watched him and didn't believe me because

501
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Speaker 4: I'd watched him numerous times.

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Speaker 3: Kamara Lassiter.

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Speaker 4: If that guy takes his train, goes to training camp

504
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Speaker 4: and takes the next step from where he was in

505
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,479
Speaker 4: OTA's mini camp, et cetera, that dude's gonna be an

506
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Speaker 4: absolute baller.

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Speaker 2: I interviewed Rust on that two days ago on the

508
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Speaker 2: during the media days.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that dude doesn't lack confidence. So he talked

511
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Speaker 2: about good reason man. Yeah, he talked about showing up

512
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Speaker 2: at Georgia. And the question I think I asked him

513
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Speaker 2: was when did you know? Because I'd asked him about

514
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Speaker 2: it in high school? What did you know you could

515
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Speaker 2: play in college? And then when when you were in college.

516
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Speaker 2: When did you know that you could play in the NFL?

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Speaker 2: And he said, probably the first day that I practiced there,

518
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Speaker 2: because I was on the field with a bunch.

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Speaker 3: Of guys who I knew we're going to the NFL.

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Speaker 2: If I could be on the practice field with him

521
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Speaker 2: at the same time, why couldn't I go too, you

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Speaker 2: know what. Anyway, he was not saying it with braggadoccio.

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Speaker 2: He was not saying honest with cockiness. He's just like, Okay,

524
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Speaker 2: they're all going to the NFL, so I should be.

525
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 2: I should be too, And it was It was pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: It was a good conversation to have. Uh, it was

527
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Speaker 2: tough to see him. He had his hat, his hair

528
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Speaker 2: like all the way down to here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he was kind of peering out.

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Speaker 2: It was really it's gonna I bet it looks really

531
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Speaker 2: cool on on on camera, the way it was lit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I almost forward to that. Man.

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Speaker 4: I I've gotten to where I just love watching that

534
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Speaker 4: guy play. I love him At Georgia. I was really

535
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Speaker 4: happy when I when I heard the name of Draft night,

536
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Speaker 4: it was like, oh yeah, Cowan last year because his

537
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Speaker 4: name had not been you know, we've been talking about

538
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Speaker 4: Cooley McKinstry and Cooper Degene Brothers.

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Speaker 2: People had him mocked to the Texans out, you know,

540
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Speaker 2: all the mock drafts. I was.

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Speaker 4: I was very happy if those guys, if you would

542
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Speaker 4: have said, hey, you're gonna get Kamar Lasser at forty

543
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Speaker 4: two or whatever that number ended up being for us,

544
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Speaker 4: and I'd been like, hell, yeah, let's do it, let's go.

545
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 4: And it turned out to and hopefully it will continue

546
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Speaker 4: to go in that particular direction.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome, all right, John, It's always wonderful to be

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Speaker 2: with you. Hey, for you listening or watching us there,

549
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Speaker 2: we appreciate that we do. And make sure you're checking

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552
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554
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Speaker 2: and get this all the time. For John, I'm drew,

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Speaker 2: so long until next week,