1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Mets offseason's gonna look pretty chaotic. They have eleven players 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: hitting free agency, ten of which were on the postseason roster. Today, 3 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: we're gonna be telling you our top five players that 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: were unlikely to return for the twenty twenty five season. 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 2: Not the guys that we don't want to return, but 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: guys that we don't see returning. That's gonna be a 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: big difference here, because some of these guys we definitely 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: want to come back to the Mets, but which is 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: hard to really squint and see them on this roster 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: next year, depending on how we think they're gonna go 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: about free agency. 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: Yes, do we want to start off with some honorable 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: mentions or we throw those at the end. 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: Honible mentions the end? 15 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: For sure, starting off with the big stuff number one 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: guy not returning this offseason, I think we gotta start 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: with Sean Manayah. I know a lot of people want 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: him back us too. I'd love to have Sean Mayah back. 19 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: Jim Boden projected him three year, seventy million dollars. I 20 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: don't really know if that's there's any truth to that. 21 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if Jim Boden's really been accurate. I 22 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: know he's not a front all off his exact anymore, 23 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: but that's the number that's being thrown around right now. 24 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: That's more realistic. 25 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: But it feels like Sean and I is probably gonna 26 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: get paid this offseason, probably gonna be looking for four 27 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: to five seasons. I just don't really see how it 28 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: makes as much sense as possible for the Mets to 29 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: match that with all the other free agents available right now. 30 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: And just with the fact that this Mets team has 31 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 2: a lot of pitchers to replay, similar to last offseason. 32 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: So it's more about going out getting the next Shaw Manayah, 33 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: the next guy who do pay thirteen million dollars for 34 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: one year and winds up getting in the range of one 35 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. You actually that the guy that you 36 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: can make the adjustments help the ability to turn into 37 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: like a actual startlingk fronting, starting pitcher who you thought 38 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: coming into the year was more of a mid rotation 39 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: back end. And again, this isn't anything about Sean Maana. 40 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: I think if that three for seventy is true, I 41 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: were in I would highly consider that to bring back 42 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 2: Sean Maaya. It's a fair deal, it's a good deal, 43 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: but I think they're gonna be priced out if he 44 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: goes to the four years, possibly even the five year 45 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: kind of range. I don't know about the five year range, 46 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: but I think Sean ma Andaya can pretty comfortably find 47 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: himself in that four year range. Like ad one of 48 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: Rodrigeaz last year, he didn't get the fire, he didn't 49 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: get the four year range. He got the who But 50 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 2: there's just there's there's not I don't know. There's a 51 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: lot of pitchers for age right now. I think man 52 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: I might have, weirdly have one of the highest seilers. 53 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: I think someone's gonna pay up for him. 54 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just don't think it's gonna be the Mets, 55 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: especially with all the other arms that we need to feel, 56 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: like you said, and all the other players that the 57 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: money is going towards if he takes a discount. Happy 58 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: to have Sean and Iah back feels unlikely, though. Number two, 59 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: next player we don't think is gonna return in twenty 60 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: twenty five. This one's gonna break your guys hearts. I 61 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: think people aren't ready to hear that this guy will 62 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: not be back next year. 63 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: But it's Jose Iglesias. 64 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: I just I don't see a world where it makes 65 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: sense for him to come back outside of Vibes. 66 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: No, maybe maybe the Vibes will do it enough, But 67 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: there there is a world where, like maybe Jose Glacis 68 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: comes into the season as Joey Wendel. But bottom line is, 69 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 2: the Mets still have Jeff McNeil and the roster, and 70 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: they're gonna pay him a significant amount of money. They 71 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: have Louis and Helkun you stepped up, is gonna contribute 72 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: to the major league team at some point in twenty 73 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: twenty five. Ryan Marisio, whenever he gets back to baseball, 74 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 2: will contribute to the twenty twenty five team some point 75 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: in time. Right there, I just gave you three other 76 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: middle infielders who probably's gonna sound weird to hear, because 77 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: Jose Lazie's had the batting average baseball last year. If 78 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: any player with two hundred and fifty play, the appearances three 79 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: guys who probably have better offensive ceiling Jose Glaciers no 80 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: matter what just happened in twenty twenty four. And the 81 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: Vibes are great, the defense is great. It's a it's 82 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: like a thirty five year old utility infielder there's no 83 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: there's this very little chance he comes back unless he 84 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: just says, yeah, i'll take it. I'll take a prove 85 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: at one million dollar deal again, which feels disrespectful, and I. 86 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: Think there might be a team that might just give 87 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: him a little bit more because he fits into that 88 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: roster better. Like why would another competing team who doesn't 89 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: have the plethora of younger middle infield type players not 90 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: give Jose Glaciers for five million dollars when I again, 91 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: the Mets can obviously afford that kind of contract, but 92 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: is that the smartest thing to do when Jose Glasias, 93 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, as awesome as he was, 94 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: it might not be really that sticky going into next year, 95 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: not that sticky. 96 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: But I think that there's a there's a skill set 97 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: that's that's real, and that there's legitimate Jose Glaciers because 98 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: when you look for everything Jose Glacie has done over 99 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: the last like what five this years, he still always 100 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: hangs out at least in like two seventy two eighty 101 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: batting average. He gets disrespected for it, but the fact 102 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: that batting average up to three forty, that the on 103 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: base percentage up to three eighty, the sluger percentage up 104 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: to four to fifty. That's a much better looking season 105 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: than years before when he has no base percentage that 106 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: just sits around three hundred, and that's just probably more 107 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: like the player he is. The defense is still good, 108 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: but probably not a shortstop anymore. So it's just like again, 109 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: like he's in the weird situation last year this year, 110 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: like he was last year, like he was the year before, 111 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: where people don't believe in the skill sets. Skill sets 112 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: probably there, but and more comes back to the Mets 113 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: are going to have a lot of other middle infielders 114 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: that they probably want to give a look before. Besides, 115 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: Jose Glaciers peak. 116 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: Behind the curtain for the boys have worked for the 117 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: Mets before. The OMG thing might keep him around, though. 118 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: It definitely might. There's a good chance that they literally 119 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: give Jose Glaciers Joey Wendel deal one year for three 120 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: million just because they want to sell o MG stickers, signs, shirts, everything, sweatshirts. 121 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: That there's a good chance that happens. But I think 122 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: that this will be a cool barm there too. How 123 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: much marketing has influence on this roster again. 124 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: And I will say this, I'm happy to have him 125 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: back again on a Joey weddle. These guys happy to 126 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: run it back, but I just don't think it makes 127 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: the most sense for necessarily either of these guys, who 128 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: might be able to get more money or better opportunities elsewhere. 129 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: Better opportunity, more money. That's mostly Sean and I were 130 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: Jose Glacier. I think he's gonna get basically the same 131 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: offer for a lot of places, just might get a 132 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: better promise of playing time from other places, which could 133 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: be hard for Jose Glaci's to swallow because he was 134 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: like the lynchpin of this team for this year. But 135 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: what you do one year doesn't really have a huge 136 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: indication of what you're gonna do the next one. 137 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: Nope, third player, a little bit different vibe here, Jad Martinez. 138 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 3: There's no shot he's coming back. 139 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: I can't if Jade Martinez is back next year, something 140 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 1: has gone catastrophically wrong. 141 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: I don't know about catastrophically wrong, but I think it 142 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: was just like you shake Ja De Martinez's hands, like 143 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: thank you for your service, Like you helped change the vibe, 144 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: change the tenter of this locker room. You really helped 145 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: Mark Fiento seems like blost me to a good hitter, 146 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: you give us a couple of really good months of 147 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: baseball kind of fell apart at the end. It does 148 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: seem like this team sessial Carlson Doza really truly respects 149 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: and admires JD. Martinez as they shot, and I think 150 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: that that could be a little part of it, But 151 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: I still just don't take anyway he's backs player. I 152 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: don't even know who signs him as a player next year. 153 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he even kind of hinted at it 154 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: towards the end of the year where they were like 155 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: about coming back and one ny He's like, yeah, if 156 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: somebody wants me, but I'm not gonna force it, Like 157 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna, you know, be looking like I have 158 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: the last couple offseasons expecting to be getting paid. 159 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 3: And again, when you look. 160 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: At his season as a taiale of two halves, first half, 161 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: he was phenomenal. Ten homers, fifteen doubles, two sixty average, 162 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: eight oh six ops. 163 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: That's really good. That's all we could have ever asked for. 164 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: In the second half, it was a nightmare, one ninety 165 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: nine average to eighty on base six twenty three ops 166 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: and I think that was probably the first official time 167 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: that US as fans saw Jad Martinez be old, and 168 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: that's probably the first time in his career he went, 169 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: oh shit, like, I'm I'm not I'm not young. 170 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 3: I'm thirty seven years old. This season is. 171 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: Long, this season is not as easy has it's been 172 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: in the past. And again, you just you're not really 173 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: gonna pay him unless he wants to hang around for 174 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: two three million dollars and basically be a glorified hitting coach. 175 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: You even pay him this year he got what ten 176 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: million dollars, Like it was a situation twelve where you 177 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: have to wait until the middle of the end of 178 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: March even give him that contract. But it's just there's 179 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: probably just better other options for DH. Maybe not clog 180 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: this roster up enough because you're gonna have starring Marte's 181 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: ross next year. Sorry, that's that's a big h that's 182 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: a big spoiler. Starry Martey's probably it's really not going anywhere, 183 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: So he might have to d age as a lot of 184 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: the time because he's like, don't work in the regular season. 185 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: Who's our different canning that we can we can trade 186 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: Marte's contract for because the Angels took twenty eight million 187 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: dollars for Jorge Solaer, can we can we dump Starling 188 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: Marte for just a pitcher that exists? 189 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: I don't think. I think the only place we to 190 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: do is the Angels. But they just filled up their 191 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: void of getting getting an expensive guy because they want 192 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: to put some masses in the seats. So sadly, I 193 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: think that we had to jump on that with the Angels. 194 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: But I think even Marte is it's just significantly worse 195 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: at Horay Solar, so I think that's just never gonna happen. 196 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: True, No, he is much worse. There's no way around that. 197 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,239 Speaker 1: All right, fourth player not returning. You just mentioned someone 198 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: who could be maybe a different replacement for JD. 199 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 3: Martinez. It's gonna be Jesse Winker. 200 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: And I think the way we have to explain this 201 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: to you guys is again we I'd love Jesse Winker 202 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: back on a Chief because he was awesome and especially 203 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: as a platoon DH who can play the outfield as well. 204 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: It was bad outfield defense, but he's yeah, good arm 205 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: and he moves way better than Jadie Martinez with like 206 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: he has that ability to still play the outfield. I 207 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: just don't know what his market's going to look like 208 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: because there's so many of Jesse Winkers kind of available 209 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: in that he's a corner outfielder DH who has some 210 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: pop in his bat, and I think as good as 211 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: he was in the postseason, we do it kind of 212 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: muddled a little bit. How he really didn't hit that 213 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: well in the second half with the Mets. 214 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 2: He didn't hit all in September. I think he went 215 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: like what twenty eight play appearances about getting hit kind 216 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: of rival JD. Martinez. 217 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: He does have a. 218 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 2: Bad back, Yeah, he did have a bad back. But again, 219 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: like we I would take Jesse winker back on the 220 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: cheap deal. But just when you look at the Mets 221 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: outfield alignment as it is right now players currently on 222 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: the roster, it will be Brandon Nemos, Starling Marte, Tyron Taylor, 223 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: who were the three outfielders so basically in the tyro 224 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: off season last year, and David Sterns took it upon 225 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: himself with that trio of outfielders to go get someone 226 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: who would play center fields and Harrison Bather which is 227 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: why I think that I'm leaving Harrison Baylor offices. I 228 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: think it's a better chance of Harrison Bator coming back 229 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: to this team than Jesse Winker really because I think 230 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: very literally, when you had again the same three outfielders 231 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: heading into the last offseason, Marte Nemo Taylor, you still 232 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: want a centerfielder to mix in stir the drink. And 233 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: I think a lot of Mets fans got to know 234 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: Harrison Beata really well this year. You got to know 235 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: exactly the player he is. You give him four hundred 236 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: play the appearance he's not going to hit, and he 237 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: will catch every single thing hit near him a center 238 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: field and there's a chance you do that again. You 239 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: give him the same contract, maybe a million or two less, 240 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: because it's gonna be the same thing as center fielders 241 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: this offseason where it's just Harrison Bather and Michael Lay Taylor, 242 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: those are the only guys who can play a good 243 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: defensive center field and actually hit a little bit. Mikiy Hernandez. 244 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: We just saw what he did. I don't think what. 245 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: Does Gritchick play a good defensive center field still because 246 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: he just hitches out his contract with the Diamondbacks and 247 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: he definitely hits way better. 248 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: There's no doubt. 249 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: He's a he's a harsh, heavy platoon guy, yes, which 250 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: he with Tyrone then. 251 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also he's thirty three. He used very hard 252 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: now yeah, Gritchick is Yeah, and Electric was taken with 253 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: the pick ahead of Mike Trout. Yeah, Richard hasn't didn't 254 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: appear one inning in center field last year. I think 255 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: it's just because Diambacks just had better centerfield options. But 256 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: also he grated on negatively in the corner, so I 257 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: guess he probably can't just center for He could probably 258 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: do it as well, a little bit worse than Tyron Taylor. 259 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: But again, when you had these three outfielders on the 260 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: roster heading into last year, David Turns is like, I 261 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: want a defensive centerfielder to tie this whole thing together. 262 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: It seems like that's just probably the path we go 263 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 2: down again, getting the on lead defensive center fielder for 264 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: cheap that will not block a young guy. If a 265 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: young guy makes himself unblockable. 266 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, we also have Drew Gilbert 267 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: and the miners, who I know he didn't play a 268 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: lot this past year, but at some point he's going 269 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: to be up and whether he's a center fielder or 270 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: a corner guy. 271 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: That's I think still up in the air a little bit. 272 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a center at least for 273 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: a little while. But then the hope is also the 274 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 2: guy Jesse Winker. You probably get another corner outfielder who 275 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: think it hit a little better than him. I think 276 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: the plan starts with a corner outfielder's a better head 277 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: than Jesse Winkers. His name also starts with a J. Yeah, 278 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: Juan Soto. If wanos here, Jesse Winker becomes not point yeah. 279 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: Now that's it. And the last guy, the guy who 280 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: we think probably will return to the Mets, also because 281 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: we are expecting one and So to be here, will 282 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: likely be Pe Thelonso. And this is this is this 283 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: echoes the point we said at the beginning. This isn't 284 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: a list of guys we don't want return to the Mets. 285 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: This is guys we just don't think are likely to 286 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: return to the Mets, the five least likely Mets from 287 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: last year to return. And with Pete it will just 288 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: become an issue of money, where if you give one 289 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: so though forty seven fifty million dollars a year, yeah, 290 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: you just have to spend the budget elsewhere besides another 291 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: power back. You probably you probably need more pitching, You 292 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: probably need more defense. Probably just need a little bit 293 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: more filling the cracks, right, I think get another big piece. 294 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: You Know what's kind of funny is that if the 295 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: Mets do sign wan So to Jose, Glaciers probably does 296 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: come back. 297 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: It's more it does come back. Yeah. Yeah, the scales 298 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: tip the other direction now. But I think it's gonna 299 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: be interesting the way this peak contract situation comes out 300 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: over the off season, because last year a lot was 301 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: made of the fact that he turned down the seven 302 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: years for one hundred and fifty eight million dollars. So 303 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: does it come out to like twenty twenty three to 304 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: twenty four million a year? Quick match for me, quick? 305 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 306 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: And then that though, all that did also was buy 307 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: out what last year's contract was, and that was twenty 308 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: and a half million he made in arbitration twenty in reality, 309 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: by the way, twenty two and a half million, which 310 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: I think is right between the Freddie Freeman a AAV 311 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: and the Metals and AAV. 312 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: It's a really fair spot to be really really good offer. 313 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: They gave him with a ton of year with a 314 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: good amount of years on tak him to the least 315 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: thirty six years old, because again that one year would 316 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: have also taken out last year where he made one 317 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 2: year twenty million arbitration, so he would have even gotten 318 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: a few extra million dollars last year they could have 319 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: put on top of it with the six year guarantee afterwards. 320 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: So really, now we're comparing what Peak gets this year 321 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 2: to a sixty year, one hundred and thirty seven and 322 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: a half million dollar deal, which even again if the 323 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: Mets Juice side peelanza that contract, I say, you know what, 324 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 2: I like that Met for life. We got our guy back, 325 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 2: and I'm in once we get to the seven, eight, 326 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: nine million, nine year ranges, as some prognostics for some 327 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: reason are putting it on agains shot. I think Jim 328 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: Ballad had him for an eight year deal. That's where 329 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: it starts to get a little fuzzy for me, especially 330 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: if you have won. So though I really won't, I really, 331 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: I'll be sad for like an hour about pi Alonso leaving, 332 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: probably a little More'll probably be sad for a week. 333 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: We'll have a drink. 334 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll be upset about it, but I won't 335 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: I won't be like kicking and screaming if if the 336 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: Mets have wont So the pi Alonso takes a seven 337 00:12:59,120 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: year deal elsewhere. 338 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, if they have one Soto, Honestly, I'll wish the 339 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: best for Pete. I'll be like, dude, thank you, You're 340 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: one of my favorite Mets that we've ever had. We've 341 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: got a sad yeah, I mean that's the classic looking 342 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: back at the ex girlfriend thing. That's like the like, 343 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: but the new one's pretty great with Pete. The thing 344 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: is Juan Soto. It starts and ends with Wan Sota. 345 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: And you can't really think about this offseason. We've said 346 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: on episodes and people get mad how how much we 347 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: are in on Wan Soto and really don't care about 348 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: anything else. 349 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: Don't care. 350 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: But all this guy does is win. All he does 351 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: is mash and until we know where he is, who 352 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: he's playing for next year, it's hard to even imagine 353 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: a Pete Alonso contract being. 354 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: Talked about, any of these contracts really being talked about 355 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 2: until one so those signs anywhere, like just similar to 356 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: Otani last offseason, Wan so that will be the first 357 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 2: domino of the fall because he's such a big fucking Domino. 358 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: All three teams wan So has played on his career, 359 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: all three of them went further with one So THEA 360 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 2: on their team than they did in the previous decade 361 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: without what's wan So on their team. Nationals won the 362 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 2: World Series and he was rookie. The Padres went to 363 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: the NLCS with him in the one year they the 364 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 2: one playoff run they had them, they get another playoff runt. No, 365 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: the one playoff run they had one. So they went 366 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: to the NLCS and the Yankees here went to their 367 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: first World Series in fifteen seasons because of Wan Solo 368 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: being on their team basically just barely a playoff team 369 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: without him. So Wan Solo changes a franchise. You me, 370 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: everyone listening, none of our lives are the same. After 371 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: Wan So thos in New York met everything will change 372 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: in that instance. It doesn't matter blank check if anything 373 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: he wants. Players like that don't check free often. The 374 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: ripple effect, though, is that it'll probably make sure the 375 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: plans is no longer met. Yeah, that's just it. 376 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: Pet's got the Scott Bors factor too, Like Pete might 377 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: just ask for an insane amount of money. 378 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 3: Like you said, Jim, Boden's thrown out eight years. 379 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: Don't think that's not Scott Boris pushing a little bit 380 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: of his agenda too out there to the media. 381 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: If you right now had to give me a defend 382 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: in the Vanser, do you think p Alonzo sides a 383 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: contract for over under six and a half years under? Okay, 384 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: so under, so that means it. I even think with 385 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: soo that could still pumpede and play. I think it'd 386 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: be crazy. I think it would take to you Cohen 387 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: being like a big girl man. But I think if 388 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: anything comes in for Pete that six years are under, 389 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: I think, no matter what else happens, he actually is 390 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: still in play for the Mets. 391 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: I think there's a super realistic world where Pete signs 392 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: the Cody Bellinger Matt Chapman contracts baks out. 393 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: One two one two, Yeah, where it's a three. 394 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: Year deal worth whatever number he wants that he says 395 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: he claims he wants, like three for one hundred. 396 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: Let's just pretend that's the. 397 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: Craziest number, like sets the AAV all time mark for 398 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: first base. I guess in the modern erics will never 399 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: beat like the pool Hooles deals way back. Why yeah, 400 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: but like the guys currently have the highest day AV 401 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: for a current first baseman in the league, but then 402 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: try and do it again after like one more year. 403 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: He's still good, but then he also he has the 404 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: thirty year old staying stink on him. Now, I know, 405 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe this is just the chance where 406 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: he's like, even if I get this six, even if 407 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: it's a lower AAV, which is the exact contract the 408 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: Mets gave him, that six for one thirty eight feels 409 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: so close to what this winds up being. To me, 410 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: I think it's so funny, like a good number. It's 411 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: a really good tip the cap to our front office. 412 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: And how good of a deal, how fair and honest 413 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: of a delay offered him last offseason, which is again 414 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: good good hats off there with everybody, But at least 415 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: without that, we're still as in play for one so 416 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: as anybody else in baseball, and that's where exactly what 417 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: we want to be. 418 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: And of course we told you guys, we have some 419 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: honorable mentions too, a couple crazy names. They are gonna 420 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: be on here. But you know what, James, it was 421 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: my take originally, but I'm gonna let you have it. Now, 422 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: who's your crazy honorable mention here? 423 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: My crazy honorable mention is Edmund dz And this is 424 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: just something weird that I feel in my plumbs where 425 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: I just can't I can't shake the thought of David 426 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: Sterns looking at this balance sheet and thinking that there's 427 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: one really really bloated player and a guy that probably's 428 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: made back a lot of his trade value this year. 429 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: A lot of Mets fans might not think so because 430 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: the blown says were bad, but strikeout rate, all the 431 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: pitches that everything came back, the things that they care for. 432 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: Yees. 433 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, every team Baseball still thinks Edmond Daz is one 434 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: of the better closers in baseball, clearly a top five, 435 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: worst case, top seven kind of guy. I've all relievers 436 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: in the league. And then you look back at the 437 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: types of teams, the way the rosters are built that 438 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: win World Series. The Braves in twenty twenty one are 439 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: the only team in the last five years to win 440 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: a World Series with a relief pitcher making more than 441 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: ten million dollars, and that was Will Smith who made thirteen, 442 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: which was insane. And then even going past that, you 443 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: have to go all the way back to the twenty 444 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: eighteen Red Socks. To have another team with a reliever 445 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: that made more than ten million dollars in the roster. 446 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: That was Craig Kimberl. It was one of the best 447 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: closers of all time depending on what people despite what 448 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 2: people think of him. Now now it's thirteen million twenty eighteen, 449 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 2: So to see a twenty million dollar reliever, I know 450 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: baseball's changing a lot, but now these in the less CBA, 451 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: these contracts almost get a little bit more serious because 452 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: of how close you get to these luxury tax thresholds 453 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: and how important it is to how much these teams 454 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: care about going over those lines, because how much you 455 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: have to pay in fees and how much your draft 456 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: pick goes back and the penalties that associate with them. 457 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: I think if David Stearns gets creative and there's a 458 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: way to acquire other talented relievers, because other talented relievers 459 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: will be available, not the ones you're gonna have to 460 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: buy a free agency, there's no way the Mets sign 461 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: Tanner's got a fifteen million a year, But creating the 462 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 2: relievers out there there getting guys like Ryan Helsley who 463 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: are on expiring deals with teams that don't really want 464 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 2: to pay anybody anymore, like the Cardinals. Dave bednarg got 465 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: out the Pirates with the team that just doesn't like 466 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: paying people, There's always going to be options for buying 467 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: low or just buying mid on relievers who can pay 468 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: them nothing. To Devin Williams another great one to get 469 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: for one year rental. But I think the more David 470 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: Starns look to this balance sheet, there's one area that 471 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: he wish. He wished he had more budget to spread 472 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: around and rather than costrey on one player. And I 473 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 2: think that player always comes back to Edward Didas. Not 474 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: a situation where I think he's not gonna be a 475 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: team next year, that situation where I don't exactly want 476 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: him to be on the team next year. But I 477 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: think if there's a creative way to get Edwin Diaz 478 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: off the team this year and get even some kind 479 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 2: of ass set back, I think David Stearns explores that option. 480 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's twenty one point five million dollars 481 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: next year. He has a team option for the final 482 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: year of his contract. But conservatively speaking, Edwin Diaz is 483 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: due about sixty million dollars from the Mets over the 484 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: next three years. So sixty million dollars. It's gonna sound crazy, 485 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna put it to you this way, Mets fans, 486 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: would you rather spend that sixty million dollars on Pete 487 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: Alonzo or would you rather spend that sixty million dollars 488 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: on Edwin Diaz? Like I'll even say this, would you 489 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: rather spend that money on Edwin Diaz or Sean Ma Andyah? 490 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: Probably Sean ma and I not problem, it's definitely Sean 491 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: and Iah and I think that's this. 492 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 3: We don't think this is gonna happen. That's why it's 493 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 3: not on here. 494 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: But this is just a little thought process, a little 495 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: look food for thought there about where our heads at, 496 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: where David stearns head could be at, because he's a 497 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: smart dude, and we know that he's definitely thinking of 498 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: every single option to make this team better totally. 499 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 2: There's a million options, And there was there was a 500 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: great post that Mike Janello may TikTok of his interview 501 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: he did with David Stearns with David Sears became the 502 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: President last offseason, where Stearns talked about wrestling with the 503 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: fan in his brain and the executive in his brain 504 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: and being like, the fan in me is probably gonna 505 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: get really mad at the executive in me many times 506 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: when this happens. This could be kind of be like 507 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: one of those moves where as an executive, this feels 508 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: like the shrewd cunning way to make this team get 509 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: more flexible and be able to spend more money in 510 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: more valuable spots on the fly, while also being like, damn, 511 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 2: that would be sad to see. Because another part of 512 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: this is two other guys I'm sure that David Sharns 513 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: would love to not have on this team next year, 514 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: but will be on this team contracts he didn't sign 515 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: are Jeff McNeil and Starling Marte. I think that these 516 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: guys will definitely be back next year. And I apologize 517 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: for telling you guys this, but I think there's almost 518 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: no way either of those players are office roster on 519 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 2: opening Day just because of where their contracts are at 520 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: and where their relative value is to everybody else in 521 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 2: the league. I think Mets fans and baseball fans like, 522 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 2: we'll always do this thing where they're like, this guy 523 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: will be traded by the by the off season. Take 524 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 2: this offseason I always re sponunt them who's taking him 525 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: and trade with you getting back people like we're gonna 526 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: trade Jeff MacNeil, who's trading for Jeff McNeil, which you 527 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: get back for Jeff McNeil. People like a bag of ball. 528 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: So you're just they're taking a salary. Are you paying 529 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 2: a salary? You're gonna pay him to play against you? 530 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense either. It's just that these guys 531 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: the contracts is a little too bloated for them to 532 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: go anywhere this offseason. Yeah, I know, unless you attach prospects, 533 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 2: which I don't want to. 534 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: Do, which is funny because you want Glaborer at twenty 535 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: million for one year, but Jeff's making fifteen next year 536 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: and you think it's too much. 537 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying I think there. I mean, we're going 538 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 2: I want chess pieces to move around. Do you think 539 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: Labor is a better offensive player than Jeff? You're the 540 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: way you hate Labor Tors doesn't make any sense. It's 541 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: very consistent baseball. It's this is this is the problem 542 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: when like you make content for too many years and 543 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: you have to hold yourself to taste you had for years, 544 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: and there's tons of data that tells you otherwise about it. 545 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: Guy that clabor Torres, where the Yanks are gonna offer 546 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: him the qualifying deal, I'm down. I just gonna do 547 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: one second on glabor Torres. If you offer one more 548 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: dollars in the qualifying offer, it gets QUALFI offer in 549 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: their minds. I'm not giving a pick for glabor Tors 550 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: zero percent she has on that. But it's can be 551 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 2: like Severno. Who's the next guy I want to talk 552 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: about in this list, who I think it's shockingly likely 553 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: to come back to this team? 554 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 3: Me too, Yeah, because I. 555 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: Don't think that Glaber Torres that. 556 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy lives in your head. 557 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: Guy Yankee's on the brain. I don't think that Luis 558 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 2: Averno pitched well in this year despite him pitch him 559 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 2: well to warrant like a big deal like Manaiah pitched 560 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: himself into a new echelon of pitchers. Yes, three year, 561 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 2: four year deal could approach one hundred million dollars at 562 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: least approaching seventy five million dollars. Louis Evrino didn't do that. 563 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: Louis Efreno didn't strike as many guys as he could have. 564 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 2: He walked kind of little more guys than he expected. 565 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: The volume was great, but he never really zat back 566 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: into being anything close to Louis Arena Bold, which was 567 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: not never necessarily expected. But I don't see anyway where 568 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 2: Severno gets more than like a two for thirty five 569 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: million dollars a year deal. So if that's all the same, 570 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: probably wants to keep living in New York. 571 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: It's sever Reno's season so weird because first half was 572 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: more consistent, but he didn't strike out as many guys 573 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: as stuff wasn't as good. Second half was less consistent, 574 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: but he had way more strikeouts in way less innings. 575 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: So it's again other another tale of two stories for 576 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: Luis Severino of like what version are you getting? And 577 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: I still think the jury's out, which is why he's 578 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: probably more likely to come back as a New York met. 579 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: But the bottom line is that there's a range of 580 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: outcomes for sever Reno. That's a guy who's between a 581 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: four to two and like a three eight era yes, 582 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: and that guy is going to get I don't know again, 583 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: like fifteen to eighteen million dollars two year contract on 584 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: that it's a little bit less than we gave Jose 585 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: Katana two years ago, which is another guy non in 586 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: this list because in a similar way to Severno, he's 587 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 2: another guy to see a good chance that comes back, 588 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 2: because I don't think anyone in the league's offering hose 589 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: Atana more than one year deal for more than fourteen 590 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars. And if you get the same off 591 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: from everyone, you just had success here. This is a 592 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: great clubhouse. You trust everybody in the building, and you 593 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: just don't want to move. Moving sucks for people in 594 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: their twenties in New York, and then professional athletes moving 595 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 2: across the country. No matter who you are, how much 596 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: money you have, moving fucking sucks. You don't want to 597 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: do it if you don't have to do it. So 598 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: and the Messes have a lot of pitchers, they need 599 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: to a lot of innings, they need to recoup for 600 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 2: next year. So I think this was a good chances 601 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: that they stay in the bargain been with Severino Kantana 602 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: and maybe spend the money elsewhere another other, another other 603 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: couple of guys. 604 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's it. That's what we got for you. 605 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: Those are our five players we think are most likely 606 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: to not return for the twenty twenty five season. Appreciate 607 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: all you listening to the podcast. Appreciate you watching it 608 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: over on YouTube. Make sure you subscribe to the mess 609 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: of the Podcast channel over there, drop a lke on 610 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: the video. Leave some comments you got The comments section 611 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: been going crazy. The last comment section has been hot. 612 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: Tell us, tell us how to two we are? Tell 613 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: us I'm mad you are thus Yeah, because I know 614 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: a lot of Mets fans finding us, and they're like 615 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: these guys, they don't want to just bring all the 616 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: same players back and do it again. 617 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: But this is fun because we haven't really been able 618 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 2: to do off season content a while, and the last 619 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: time we did do off season content there was a 620 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: fucking strike. So we actually haven't done a real year 621 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: off season content with this podcast, so this is actually 622 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: kind of fun for us. 623 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 624 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess technically the last time we did 625 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: do off season content, we were signed by the New 626 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: York Mets. 627 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 2: So yeah, pretty pretty good stock right there. Yeah, So 628 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: we'll see how it goes on again. 629 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: But thank you guys for listening, thanks for watching. We'll 630 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: catch you on the next one. 631 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: Peace out, peace out, see you guys next time. Let's 632 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: go Mets 633 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: An