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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Ellie here with Matt Williamson. We

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Speaker 1: are live from the Indian Indianapolis. What am I doing

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Speaker 1: here from the Arizona Biltmore at the owners meetings here

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Speaker 1: in Phoenix and where please be joined now by Jeff's

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Speaker 1: Rebecca of the Athletic. He covers to Baltimore Ravens for

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Speaker 1: that outlet and uh, even some busy stuff going on here. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: it's been a month here. Yeah, I did not think

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Speaker 1: this offseason I'd be writing about Meek Mill somebody by

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Speaker 1: the name of Ron Francis, Rob Francis. Yeah, it's been. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's been an interesting offseason, that's for sure. And the

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Speaker 1: thing is, I don't think anything's gotten settled so far,

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Speaker 1: so we got to ways to go here. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's fascinating, you know, watching this from you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand feet we're talking off the air. You know.

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Speaker 1: Obviously in Pittsburgh we went through this, this, this whole

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Speaker 1: franchise tag situation with Levan Bell. But this is a

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Speaker 1: this is a franchise quarterback talking about here. This is

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Speaker 1: this is different than a running back. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: the guy they designed their whole offense around the face

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Speaker 1: of the franchise, you know, the face of sports in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: it's yeah and and and you know, look both sides.

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Speaker 1: They're kind of in a situation that they don't want

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Speaker 1: to be in right um now, Ravens don't have another

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Speaker 1: contentiously playing for Lamar Jackson the roster um and having

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Speaker 1: him on the tag and needing to keep some money

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Speaker 1: in CASEO makes a run on him, a run at

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Speaker 1: him with an offer sheet. They really haven't done anything

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Speaker 1: in free agency this offseason. They've you know, resigned a

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Speaker 1: couple of guys with cheap deals, but they really haven't

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Speaker 1: done anything. So they're sort of handcuffed and what they

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Speaker 1: could do until there's some resolution here. So this stretching

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Speaker 1: isn't doing them any favors. And then obviously with Jackson,

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Speaker 1: a situation he's in. You know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk about how he's played this, this, that and the

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Speaker 1: other thing, but I can't imagine this is what he

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Speaker 1: had in mind. You know, he's gonna have to make

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Speaker 1: a decision soon on whether he's willing to play on

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Speaker 1: the tag while he's willing to sit out how long

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Speaker 1: you know, all that stuff unless there's another suitor here

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Speaker 1: that comes through with an offer sheet or trade offer.

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Speaker 1: And you know, being in Phoenix this week, I haven't

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Speaker 1: heard of a team that seems like they're prime to

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Speaker 1: that team either. So kind of here we are with

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Speaker 1: a situation that doesn't seem like it's gonna be ending

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Speaker 1: anytime soon. So Jeff, I want to get back to

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Speaker 1: Lamar specifically, But there's three teams that really stand out

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Speaker 1: to me, the Colts, the Packers, and the Ravens that

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Speaker 1: have brought in next to nothing. And you know, Baltimore

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Speaker 1: had to trade Chuck Clark, they're cutting Klais Campbell. Is

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Speaker 1: it all just because they have to have that chunk

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Speaker 1: for Lamar? That's part of it, you know, that's definitely

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Speaker 1: part of it. And also what they've done in free

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Speaker 1: agent or what they've done with you know, they got

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Speaker 1: a couple of guys like Gus said words um, you know,

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Speaker 1: They did something with Kevin Zeitler. And with all their moves,

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Speaker 1: they're adding void years onto these deals and they've never

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Speaker 1: that they're doing that is just pretty you know, obvious

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Speaker 1: that you know, look, we need to keep as many

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Speaker 1: as much money open as possible and as keep as

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Speaker 1: much calf flexibility in case somebody comes through with a big,

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Speaker 1: frontloaded offer sheet on Lamar Jackson and we need to

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Speaker 1: have the ability to match it. So that's definitely motivated

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Speaker 1: um them some and what they do now. I think

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Speaker 1: also they struck out in other things. You know, I

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Speaker 1: and they struck out on that front. They also want

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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's a combination definitely of Lamar

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Speaker 1: probably been even a little rougher going than then most

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Speaker 1: to you know, draft and develop wide receivers and you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously which Pittsburgh has done so well and also find

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Speaker 1: like veteran wide receivers in the prime. You know, their

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Speaker 1: I think Eric de Costa, the general manager, has one

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Speaker 1: of the more challenging jobs in the league this year.

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Speaker 1: It's still a good roster in a lot of areas,

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Speaker 1: but they had some you know, definite holes that they

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Speaker 1: then when you add over top of that the whole

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Speaker 1: The interesting the other interesting part of this whole thing

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Speaker 1: take but until he signs that thing, he's not a raven.

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Speaker 1: And so does he just sit out the entire offseason?

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Speaker 1: And now you've got you're you're you're looking at the

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Speaker 1: am I gonna do here? I haven't had my quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He could be as ambitious as you want, but what's

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Speaker 1: he working on? Right? He doesn't in my designing an

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Speaker 1: this theory that Harbaugh looks at this style of offense

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Speaker 1: matter who our quarterback is. And I feel like you

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Speaker 1: can't just run this exact offense with a two hundred

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Speaker 1: have any receivers. I wonder if Harbaugh says this was

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Speaker 1: have to tweak our scheme no matter what. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you're no doubt you're correct. Um And I

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Speaker 1: Greg Roman did a lot of good things, but the

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Speaker 1: other teams had adjusted and that style was just not

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Speaker 1: you know, Hardball talked a little bit about it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I think they they plan to be a little more

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Speaker 1: of an up tempo offense. They you know, add some

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Speaker 1: you know, that's all stuff they want to do right

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Speaker 1: now going forward, and they'd like to do, but it

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Speaker 1: is it's that's the other thing that you mentioned Dale.

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Speaker 1: It's just like I mean Todd Munkin, like, how do

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Speaker 1: not like you can just say, oh, Lamar knows us,

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Speaker 1: what's that gonna look like if he doesn't know the offense?

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Speaker 1: was what of your offense the last three or four years?

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Speaker 1: But you don't know what part two is yet? You know,

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Speaker 1: on or you sign him, and he's there. At least

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Speaker 1: there's closure. It's closure. You know, you can move on

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Speaker 1: build the rest of You have more time to build

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Speaker 1: the rest of roster. But this way, with nobody kind

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Speaker 1: Are they Are they a rebuilding team? Are they a

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Speaker 1: team that is in it to win it? This year?

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Speaker 1: But you know, I whether we're building, Like if they

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Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, so what was where he has quarterback?

425
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: He is at five. I don't have a real problem

426
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, if you get four or maybe

427
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: five first rounders, there isn't a middle class, you know,

428
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: there's not the third round ridder types this year. But

429
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 1: you might get three or four starters out of this one.

430
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: And that's that's a pretty good first Many people are

431
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: sleeping on hand and Hooker. That's what I mean. I

432
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: think there's four and a half. Like I think over

433
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: under is four and a half in the first round. Yeah.

434
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: At six is interior defensive line. Oh, I'd be low

435
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, I mean this there's some guys deeper

436
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: into the draft that are you know, have a potential

437
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: to be good. But I just don't see the overall

438
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. There's gonna be maybe two in the

439
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, and if we count Massie Smith, well

440
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: you will count Maddie Smith, but three or four in

441
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: the top fifty. Yeah, in one star. Yeah, I mean

442
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 1: per se it might be a star. But then he

443
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: has interior offensive line at seven. I think that's a

444
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: good group. I mean we don't talk about that much.

445
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean, but like Steve a v Yeah, and you

446
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of high quality dudes. They're Tipman

447
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: and you know there's a lot of guys there. I'd

448
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: be higher on the interior line. Um. Then he has

449
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: offensive tackle at eight. Gen I think there's seven or

450
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: eight starters and a couple of projects there. That's a

451
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: lot for a tackle class. Yeah, there's not the star

452
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: stars and some other drafts. But I mean, whoever goes

453
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: first here probably wouldn't go first. Let's put it so,

454
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: if if pass the year, if Peter Scronsky had arms

455
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: were an inch and a half longer with people, he's

456
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: an automatic top ten pick. Yeah, so what are we

457
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: what are we splitting hairs here? I mean I count

458
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: as Scronsky as a guard. I can't remember if you Yeah,

459
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: I did a triple take. Yeah, part of that, it

460
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: was just because it's made it easier and a better,

461
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: more fun five to talk about it. Actually, I'm looking

462
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: over your shoulder. This position would be way way higher,

463
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: like second, third or fourth. Yeah, ninety is running back. Yeah,

464
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're just talking about where they go,

465
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: they're gonna go late because they're not valued. But Bijon's

466
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: as good as Jayle Carter. If if we're gonna talk

467
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: about how many of these guys are going to be

468
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: starters or big contributors next year, right, you know you're

469
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: talking fifteen guys. Yeah, I mean, if this is like

470
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: wins over replacement or verse, the average you know, what's

471
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: a Joe average running back class in the last ten years.

472
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: This is way better than average. This to me, this

473
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: class is very close to the twenty seventeen draft, where

474
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: you saw ten guys who came out of that. There

475
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: were starters. Yeah, yeah, coming Kamara late and Connor and

476
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys that are third rounders that

477
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: go on to have really good careers and Pro Bowls

478
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: and you know, right, yeah, I think this this class

479
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: is very very similar to that one. I mean, you're

480
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: not gonna get Fournette and McAffrey in the top ten,

481
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure that Fournett would ever be a

482
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: top ten pick again if he came out now. Ten

483
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: is safety, it's pretty soft. It's pretty soft, very soft.

484
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: Eleven is linebacker. I agree, Yeah, I'm not sure which

485
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: one I dislike more. Yeah, it's it's pretty clear. I mean,

486
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of fourth round linebackers. I'm excited.

487
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: They really aren't. Yeah, I really aren't. So that leads us, Yeah,

488
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: that leads us to the question, then, for the Steelers,

489
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: do you prioritize some of those weaker positions because they

490
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: are weak and let's face its safety and linebacker our needs. Yeah,

491
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to overdraft guys thought that position. I'm

492
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: not saying you overdraft them, But do you do you

493
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: do you if you're weighing, I mean they've made three

494
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: signings there already. Yeah, ok yeah, but CAZy and two linebackers. Yeah.

495
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: Um but you you know you played and again I

496
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: talked to you know, different people about this. I mean

497
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: they like that three safety package. Yeah. I don't think

498
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: it's going away. No, I think you don't have three

499
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: right now that can play. Did you do it with?

500
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: It's not one of their it's one of their top

501
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: five needs right now. It's safety to me. So to me, okay,

502
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: So if you if apples to apples and you're looking

503
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: at this, you're going, okay, we have the same grade

504
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: or similar grades to this corner or back with this safety.

505
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: Do you take the safety because you have because that's

506
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: a bigger need. Not the cornerback isn't a need that

507
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a bad offensive tackle. Let's say that, let's

508
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: say offensive tackle. Do you do you then rate the

509
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: safety higher or do you say, well, they're similar, they

510
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: have the same grade, but we're gonna take the safety

511
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: because that's a bigger need in this draft class isn't

512
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: very good or isn't deep there, we're not gonna We're

513
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: not gonna able to get that guy in the third round,

514
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: a comparable player. I guess if it gets the draft

515
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: day and that's where you're at. But I look at

516
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: it in a different light that I don't want to

517
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: go walking down the safety and linebacker or aisle if

518
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: they're ten and eleven on this list, I want to

519
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: go down, but the guy. There's still guys at those positions. Sure,

520
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: they're just fewer of them. There's fewer. I mean, there's

521
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: the supplies less. Yeah, I'm just more apt to sign

522
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: one more free agent before the draft so I don't

523
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: have to compete with teams for those guys and overdraft them.

524
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's more the Steeler way. But I guess

525
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: if it's the forty seventh pick and Simpson's there or

526
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: Musgrave's there, you're taking Sam Simpson yea, even though Williamson

527
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: has a higher grade on Musgrave, but they're not far off.

528
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: You take Simpson. Yeah, I guess we're kind of talking

529
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: about the same thing. And I think they've done a

530
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: decent job of it. And one more signing would go

531
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: a long way to try to stay out of the

532
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: shopping spree at safety and linebacker because and they're not

533
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: the most people don't overdraft those positions. Yeah, you know,

534
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the end of the world. But

535
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you're sitting there at seventeen and

536
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: you're looking at taking Brian branch or you're looking at

537
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: taking Deontay Banks, similar positions, but one's a safety, right

538
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: they can also play slot corner for you, while the

539
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: other ones an outside cornerback. Well, I know, later in

540
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: this draft, I'm going to be able to get an

541
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: outside corner and at thirty two or forty nine or

542
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: somewhere else in the draft that I'm gonna like, but

543
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to get a safety that

544
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: I like. Somebody is gonna be able to play in

545
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: the slot for me, and also, you know, perhaps play

546
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, but the kapp and analytic guys will fight

547
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: you and say, always take the corner because they're fifteen

548
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: million on the market as opposed to five. If I

549
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: get stuck there, if I miss on this player and

550
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: I have to replace them, that sounds all well and good,

551
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: but you gotta win this year. You know, you're you're

552
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: in it to win a super Bowl this year. Yeah,

553
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, I don't have a strong answer,

554
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. I mean, I mean, and

555
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: we don't know what the grades are going to be

556
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: on over of course of course guys, right, But I

557
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: mean if you look at Lancierline's grades on those guys,

558
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: he has Branch rated as the higher player then who again,

559
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: uh Banks? Then Banks? Yeah? In fact, his you know,

560
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: if you look on NFL dot com, he has he

561
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: has Branches is listed among the defensive backs. Is his

562
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: second best defensive back. What if it's Branch versus Porter,

563
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: I still like Branch better, but I see both sides.

564
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: Yea Importers not a flawless prospect to me, right at all,

565
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, just because we want to root for him

566
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: and he's big and good looking. I mean, he's a

567
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: work in progress in zone and playing backwards and all

568
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: those things. But what he does is rarer. But Branch

569
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: helps me more win today. Yeah, I mean, he's gonna

570
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: do a lot of things for you. It's that line

571
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: that teams have to walk, and it's it's never you know,

572
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: it's never cut and dry. And we've talked about this

573
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: a million times. When seventeen rules around and we do

574
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: a mock, Well, if we don't take Brian Bersae here,

575
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: might have to punt a d tackle this year. Yeah,

576
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: and unfortunately you have to punt to the position or two.

577
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: And by that I don't mean all your totally ignore it. Yeah. Yeah,

578
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean you trot out Roberts and you know, and

579
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: you live with them, and you hope Robinson develops, and

580
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: you take a shot on another free agent that whose

581
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: name we don't have on the tip of our tongue

582
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: that gets cut, or a fifth round pick that you

583
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: hope it develops, and you go into the season thinking,

584
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: a year from now, I'm probably gonna have to draft

585
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: one higher than I play. Yeah, you know, it's just

586
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: the way it works, you know. Um, I don't know.

587
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: I just don't like shopping down lean Hiles if I

588
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: can help it. Yeah, well, I hear you. But again,

589
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: if if that's where the players rated, all things being equal,

590
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: if you have this a similar or close grade and

591
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: it's a position in need, you're gonna go with position

592
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: in need. Everybody talks about taking the best player available. Yeah,

593
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: the best player available could be b Jean Robinson. Steelers

594
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: aren't taking right, Yeah, right, you're not taking him. So

595
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: I probably haven't explained this to people in a long time,

596
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: but whenever you a draft board, but the draft is

597
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: going on, you're sitting in the war room, it's quarterback,

598
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: and then and you rank them all the way down

599
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: one to twenty or whatever. You know, anyone you think

600
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: is draftables on the front board, and you do that

601
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: at every position. Okay, that everyone understands that, But then

602
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: really interesting conversations start. Is if we're in the third

603
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: round and we have a tackle in a corner, who

604
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: do we like better of this quarterback this tight end. Yeah,

605
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: the horizontal board is maybe more at least as important

606
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: as your vertical board, and a lot of that stuff

607
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: is going to be decided people. The people need to understand.

608
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: You don't decide that while you're on the clock. No,

609
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: that's been decided. There's four right, right right, It's not

610
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: just a spreadsheet that goes down, down, down, down, down,

611
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: one after another after another. You might see two tight

612
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: ends and then gap gap gap gap gap gap gap

613
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: gap gap. Tight End Number three is way down here,

614
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: and he's equivalent with running back number ten. Yeah, you know,

615
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: and that really when you picture it that way, you

616
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: really see where the gaps are at, and you're like,

617
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: if I don't get one of those two, I'm waiting

618
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna be noticeably less there. Yeah. See,

619
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Lance's rankings here, at his prospect rankings.

620
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: He has Christian Gonzalez number one at six point seven

621
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: oh grade on him. Thinks he's going to be a star. Yeah. Yeah,

622
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: Brian Branches at six point four nine. So he's ranking

623
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: branch with the corners. Yeah, because that's where he worked

624
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: out at the Devin Weather Spend six point four or three,

625
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: Joey Porter six point four two, d DJ DJ Turner

626
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: at six point four one. We never talked about him,

627
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: but he's pretty interesting. Yeah, we consider him thirty two two, right, absolutely, Yeah,

628
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying here. So if you if

629
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you're you're splitting these hairs here and

630
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: you go, well, we can get pigeonholing yourself at got

631
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: to take a corner back here. We're not going to

632
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: pass on branch if that's the great if, if if

633
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: you're exactly the same right, you're going to take the

634
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Speaker 1: safety regardless, yes, regardless of you know, position, this position

635
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Speaker 1: is weak. Well that may factor into as well though,

636
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Speaker 1: because if you start looking at the safeties, um, you know,

637
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: there's just the guys don't have that high you know,

638
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Speaker 1: Branch at six point four to nine. A little bit

639
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Speaker 1: of my easily number one, Yeah yeah, I mean a

640
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: little bit of my hiccup with the conversation is Branch

641
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: as a unique content because he's with the corners too.

642
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's not Kyle Hamilton or you know what

643
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: I mean, or but he's a row I've been coming out,

644
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, you know he's on it. But if I

645
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Speaker 1: look here at his safety rankings, Antonio Johnson is his

646
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: number one at six point three four, well behind all

647
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: of those corner ranches, way ahead of that, right he

648
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: was six four nine Yeah, okay, yeah, right, So I

649
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. I don't know. And there's only

650
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: three four or five, six, seven, eight eight safeties, not

651
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Speaker 1: counting Branch who have a grade of six or better

652
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: anything below six on Lance's rankings. Guy his guy who's

653
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: going to be a career backup. So to give Lance credit,

654
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Speaker 1: his rankings are smarter than a lot of draft analysts

655
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: because he ranks. He doesn't say this is a third

656
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Speaker 1: round player because one year he's a fourth round player.

657
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Speaker 1: One years the second times on the draft, Yeah, every

658
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Speaker 1: one of his draft, and he doesn't rank him twe

659
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: to ten or one to one hundred. All those numbers

660
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: are how it's the Belichick system. I'm almost certain that

661
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: a six seven means he's a starter with one flaw.

662
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: They all have distinct You put him in buckets. You

663
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: know that this guy has two flaws, but he has

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Speaker 1: extreme athleticism, so he's a six four, and then you

665
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: put him in buckets, and therefore your vertical board gets

666
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: built by itself. Yeah. For example, his top his top guys,

667
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter's a seven point zero five. Well, the Anderson's

668
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: a seven point zero two. They're the only two players

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00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: in this draft to have a grade of seven or better.

670
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: Seven is like all pro level. Seven. We think he's

671
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a top five player at his position. Anything

672
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: like six five and above is considered a starter. He's

673
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna be a Pro Bowl type starter. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

674
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: upper tier starter. Yeah. You know so again, when you

675
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: do it that way, a six four running back is

676
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: the same as a six four at safety. You know,

677
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: they're they're all the way across the board, and it

678
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: builds your vertical to you and then you start to

679
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: have conversations like I remember Phil Savage, he was our

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Speaker 1: GM at the time, and I just sat in the

681
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: back and listened. You get all the position quote coaches

682
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Speaker 1: out of it, and you get the impartial people, you know,

683
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: the coordinators, the gms and say, okay, we have a

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Speaker 1: six four on his running back. We have and we

685
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Speaker 1: have a need there, and we have a six four

686
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Speaker 1: in the safety. It's decision time. Let's do that, not

687
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Speaker 1: on the clock. And that's when that's when issues such

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00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: as character, oh yeah, and he's got this big red

689
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: check mark by and it's like, well, we'll take the

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00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: other cleaner guy, yeah, right right where this guy had

691
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: an injury or you know, whatever it may be. That's

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Speaker 1: where you start looking at those things and then you

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Speaker 1: talk through it over the course of a week or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, boy, we never end up with a

695
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Speaker 1: tight end. Yeah, okay, well then we should call earth

696
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Speaker 1: Smith Junior. You know what I mean? Right? All right?

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Speaker 1: You know, so that's how it works out. You start

698
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: to feel your board and like, these are my gaps.

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Speaker 1: This is where I don't feel comfortable drafting a guy

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Speaker 1: at that position, and I'm gonna always almost always lean

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Speaker 1: de tackle instead or whatever. In the fourth round. I mean,

702
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: obviously it gets grayer and grayer as you move along,

703
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Speaker 1: but that's how that's the importance of it. So that

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Speaker 1: makes sense. Absolutely. I just thought that that would be

705
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: an interesting conversation. No, it is. Yeah, we're gonna take

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Speaker 1: a break. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lally.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Ally. He is Matt Williamson, and this is

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Speaker 1: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt Bengals made

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Speaker 1: a couple of signings yesterday Smith if Smith, I think

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Speaker 1: they also made let me look at up, there's somebody

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Speaker 1: else that they sign, but they've they've been a little

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Speaker 1: active here. I think their head coach had something along

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Speaker 1: the lines of two that Jonah Williams is going to

724
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Speaker 1: compete for the right tackle job, you know, which doesn't

725
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: mean they're not entertaining offer, but it sounds like they're

726
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: going forward like he's part of the team, which I

727
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: think makes sense for them, you know. I mean they're

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Speaker 1: trying to win it and he's a quality player or

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00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: a guard or a right tackle. He's on a great one.

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Speaker 1: But that makes some sense. I like the earth Smith signing.

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Speaker 1: Health is the big problem with him. Yeah, he's still

732
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: very young. He's a much better blocker than people realize

733
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Speaker 1: for not a two hundred and sixty pound tight end.

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Speaker 1: He's like a two forty five guy that runs well.

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Speaker 1: It kind of felt for him because every time he

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Speaker 1: starts to flash, he gets hurt or you know, it

737
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Speaker 1: has a setback. But I think that's a good pickup

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Speaker 1: for them. They also signed cornerback Sydney Jones. He's another

739
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: guy who's had a lot of checkered injury history, a

740
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: lot of injury stuff. Yeah, but it was considered highly

741
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Speaker 1: would have been drafted Ohio when he came out, and

742
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Speaker 1: it's had a pretty decent career. I mean he's been

743
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Speaker 1: able to overcome that and outside corner. I think he

744
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: can played inside as well, and they've had some success

745
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: grabbing corners off the off other teams you know, Eli

746
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: Apple and guys like that too. Yeah, corners a bit

747
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: of a need for them. Yeah, that's been one that

748
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: they've been one of those teams. It's just kind of

749
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: continually cycled through cornerbacks. They drafted three defensive backs high

750
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Speaker 1: last year or two, including Dax Hill. Um, so you

751
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: know they lose both their safeties. Um A Woozier got

752
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: hurt for them last year. I assume he'll be back

753
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: and be back to who he is. So they're pretty

754
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Speaker 1: good shape defensively. Their roster in general is pretty strong

755
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: where it's pretty strong. But again, they're they're gonna be

756
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Speaker 1: in a situation. Now do you think Joe Burrows sitting

757
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Speaker 1: there watching, Yes, everything that's going on here with Lamar sure,

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Speaker 1: with those other quarterbacks, we're going okay, I want one

759
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Speaker 1: dollar more than those guys. Yeah, a lot more than

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Speaker 1: one dollar more. I've done more than than those guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would rather give money to Burrow than

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Speaker 1: Lamar or Watson. You know, right now, if I had

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Speaker 1: to invest, you know, if all my cash, who who

764
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Speaker 1: you would you give it to? You give it to Borrow.

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Speaker 1: You know, Herbert and Hurts are going to be in

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Speaker 1: that conversation too. I mean it's just, um, it's gonna

767
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: be sticky for Cincinnati coming up. But they're in real

768
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: good shape right now. Yeah. They've signed they resigned Tred

769
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Speaker 1: Taylor as well Irv Smith. They signed Orlando Brown, Cody

770
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Speaker 1: Ford as a guard, Max Sharping, another guard, Jermaine Pratt.

771
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Speaker 1: They resigned Sidney Jones, the cornerback, and then safety Nick Scott's.

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Speaker 1: That's three offensive lineman they added. I didn't know as

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Speaker 1: there was three. Yeah, and um, Scott's not terrible. I

774
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: mean he's not a household name, but he's a more

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Speaker 1: of a free and he's been He's had a nice

776
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: little career so far. Yeah, the Browns have signed Josh Dobbs.

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00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: They traded for a wide receiver, Elijah Moore. They've added

778
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Speaker 1: the tight end Jordan Aikens, because you need more tight

779
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: ends there apparently. Uh, Center Ethan Postick resigned with them.

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Speaker 1: Ug bow U or wank Wu Uh yeah, edge guy, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Tristan Hill. They signed a defensive lineman, Moore, He's Hurst.

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Speaker 1: They signed Dalvin Thomlinson, the defensive tackle. I met three

783
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Speaker 1: defensive tackles that have played snaps. Three linebackers, Matthew Adams,

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Speaker 1: Siony Tacky. Tacky was one of their guys. Anthony Walker

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Speaker 1: another one of their guys, cornerback Mike Ford, and safety

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Speaker 1: one Thornhill. Yeah. Man, that's a lot more active than

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Speaker 1: I expected them to be. I mean, they restructured, they

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Speaker 1: restructured Watson's contracts. They really kicked the can. He's like

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Speaker 1: sixty million, sixty three yeah, the next two years after

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Speaker 1: three years after that, I mean, obviously the future of

791
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: their organization is based on him. Yeah. But they were

792
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Speaker 1: able to do more with their roster than I had

793
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Speaker 1: expected this year. Of course, we know that the Steelers

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Speaker 1: signings right and the Ravens, as we talked about when

795
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Speaker 1: we had Jeff's Rebecca on, they put this non exclusive

796
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Speaker 1: tag on. Lamar Jackson resigned Justice Hill to a one year,

797
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Speaker 1: two point two five million dollar deal. I think he's

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Speaker 1: their number one returner. Yeah, but do they have that

799
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Speaker 1: luxury right now? Right? Is that? Is that really where

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00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 1: that money was best spent? H Nelson Aguilar. They signed

801
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: to a one year three point two five million dollar deal.

802
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: They signed that cornerback tray Von Mullen, and they signed

803
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Speaker 1: resigned safety Geno Stone, and I think they moved you know,

804
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: Jeff mentioned they moved Gus Edwards money around a little

805
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: bit too. Um, this is a quick note. I wanted

806
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: to bring up to him, but there I had a

807
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: hundred questions for him and we just kind of ran out.

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00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: We never have any Ravens. I was glad that Jeff

809
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: was able to do that different for us. Yeah. But

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Speaker 1: one encouraging thing I saw from them is the last

811
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Speaker 1: month or so, JK. Dobbins looked like that guy that

812
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: we love coming out of the draft, you know, I mean,

813
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: he's struggled with injuries. He could be a bigger factor

814
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: for them. Then he asked for a trade. Oh he did. Yeah,

815
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: you didn't see that. No, Like he wants out? Wow,

816
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's if you're not gonna use me getting

817
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, I want to be. He wants to be

818
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Speaker 1: a guy who gets the ball, you know, two hundred

819
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Speaker 1: and fifty times, And I did know he was unhappy

820
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: about his usage at the end of last year. The

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Speaker 1: fact that they don't throw to him, I think is nuts.

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00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: But I'm sure Monkin changes that to some degree. Yeah. Um, Like,

823
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Speaker 1: I don't mind having Dobbins on my fantasy team this year. Like,

824
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Speaker 1: I think he could be pretty productive and looks like

825
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: his old self. So if you were waiting the division

826
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Speaker 1: right now, how would you break it down? Ravens are four? Okay?

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Speaker 1: What about if they have Lamar? Are they four? Since

828
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: he's won? Okay? Steelers Browns is a coin flip for me,

829
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna give the benefit out the Steelers. Well,

830
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: since the Browns haven't finished above the Steelers in the

831
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: standards nineteen eighty nine. That's a pretty nineteen eighty nine, right,

832
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: I say, there's a little bit of history there that

833
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean it hidden bigger tells you at some point

834
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Speaker 1: it might happen, but it has. I mean, I've I've

835
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: covered the league now for thirty one years. I've never

836
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Speaker 1: seen the Browns finished head of the Steelers. I think

837
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: about that, right, it's crazy. Yeah, And on paper, if

838
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Speaker 1: you have no you know, uh interest in the game,

839
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Speaker 1: or you don't carry one way or another, you might

840
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: be like, Browns have the better team. Okay, I could

841
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: see that if I'm looking at rosters. I don't personally

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Speaker 1: feel that way, but I'm gonna pick the Steelers finish

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Speaker 1: over the Browns. Yeah, you've been do it a long

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Speaker 1: time and you've never seen it happen. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: pretty bonkers. I think the Ravens are last. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: so many resources right now. Yeah, I mean, they're just

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Speaker 1: they're in a tough spot. They're only gonna add five

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Speaker 1: draft picks to that, that's what I mean, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they don't have any they haven't added anything. There's not

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys to go get. If they were

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Speaker 1: to get something nice for Lamar, it's probably draft pick

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Speaker 1: compensation this year, which is or the future, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think they'll be down lawn. But the

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Speaker 1: stability of the organization would tell you that you would

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Speaker 1: put the Ravens ahead of the Browns, not without in

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Speaker 1: terms in terms of trust of the organization, and the

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Speaker 1: Ravens are right there with the Steelers and to trust. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like I still don't trust. I don't

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Speaker 1: trust the Bengals to get this right down, but I

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Speaker 1: trust Joe Burrow. Yeah, I mean that's it. That's the

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Speaker 1: wild card. What I don't trust with the Bengals is

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Speaker 1: what happens next? Ye? How do we spend our money

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Speaker 1: on our own? How do we pick late every year?

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a hard road that they've not been there,

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Speaker 1: They've not had to do a lot of if Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, But yeah, interesting, we're gonna take a division though,

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Speaker 1: it is a good division. I don't think any of

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Speaker 1: them are crap. I think it's I think it's being undersold.

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Speaker 1: I think that people start talking about all the top.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's a great division forgetting the Bengals are

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Speaker 1: you know, are one of your top five teams? Oh?

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Speaker 1: They're a super Bowl content Yeah? Yeah. If you look

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Speaker 1: at the Ravens, Steelers in Browns, they're on the top twenty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're not easy outs, you know, playing against Ravens and

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Speaker 1: Steelers no matter what's gonna be hard. Yeah, you're not

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