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Speaker 1: Welcome to Sharper's Square, presented.

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Speaker 2: By Hard Rosvett.

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Speaker 1: We are part of the Volume podcast network. This is

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Speaker 1: the show that makes the Square Sharper. It makes the

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Speaker 1: wise guys pay attention. I am Chad Milvin. I am

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, my companion, my compadre,

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Speaker 1: my BFF professional better Simon Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Hello, soymon, Chad.

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Speaker 3: Are you enjoying your no football Sundays? Just the Olympics?

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming with you in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I.

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Speaker 1: Was in Los Angeles for All Star festivities.

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Speaker 2: Actually on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I skipped the game because I went up to see

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Speaker 1: my mom and my sister and my family in the

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Speaker 1: bar area.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 4: It was a good game. Actually, it was actually a

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Speaker 4: really good.

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Speaker 1: It was a It was a really good game and

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Speaker 1: it was competitive and they might have saved the All

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Speaker 1: Star Game.

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Speaker 2: Uh, the NBA. I do have some commentary.

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Speaker 1: It's great that we have like a guest on today

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Speaker 1: who is NBA specific and we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: all this. I will say La and like super Bowl

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Speaker 1: is in La next year.

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Speaker 2: I love La. I'm not against La.

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Speaker 4: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: It is just a bitch to get around and the

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Speaker 1: way they set it up. You know, the game was

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Speaker 1: at the Into It Dome, which is forty five minutes

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Speaker 1: from anything, and so if you're going to go to

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Speaker 1: an event there you are. You are locked in, like

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Speaker 1: it forty five minutes there. Getting out is not easy.

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Speaker 1: Getting an uber took about thirty five minutes and then

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Speaker 1: you got forty five minutes to get anywhere. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not looking forward to that for Super Bowl, but

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Speaker 1: LA is always fun to go through crazy crazy nights.

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Speaker 2: One of the nights I went to.

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Speaker 1: Kenny Smith's uh Friday night dinner and it was held

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Speaker 1: on the property of this guy named Jimmy Goldstein. You

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Speaker 1: would recognize Jimmy gold seen anyone who watches the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Goldsteen is the other recognizable dude with flour seats

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Speaker 1: other than Jack Nicholson. Our guest today knows exactly who

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I'll bring him on in a second.

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Speaker 1: He's always wearing He's got to.

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Speaker 2: Be one hundred years old.

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Speaker 1: He's got bright gray hair, always has someone very attractive

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Speaker 1: sitting with him. He's always got on like a wacky

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Speaker 1: hat and really colorful coats.

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Speaker 2: And his house is the one. It's been at a

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Speaker 2: bunch of movies.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a spaceship house in the Hollywood

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Speaker 1: Hills that was famous for Charlie's Angels. They shot a

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Speaker 1: lot of Charlie's Angels in there. Oh okay, Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that was really fun. Chris Rock was there, Sasha Baron

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Speaker 1: Cohne was there, Doctor J was there. Let me Tyson

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Speaker 1: Simon as a Philly guy and you know, like before

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Speaker 1: the Bulls, the Sixers were my team and Doctor J

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Speaker 1: was my guy, and he stood up.

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Speaker 2: He's a clothes motherfucker in history.

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Speaker 1: Like he's got the full gray hair, he's got on

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Speaker 1: the tinted glasses.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't even walk. He just sort of glides everywhere.

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Speaker 4: The guy.

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Speaker 2: He is so fucking cool.

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Speaker 1: And people went crazy for all the celebrities that were there.

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Speaker 2: People went crazy for Doctor J.

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Speaker 4: Swag doesn't age jad, It.

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Speaker 2: Does not, It does not, It does not at all.

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Speaker 2: So that was really fun.

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Speaker 1: Also, fans of the podcast will be happy to know

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Speaker 1: I had lunch on Saturday afternoon with one of our

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Speaker 1: favorite guests from years ago, screenwriter Alan Loebe, who wrote

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Speaker 1: Wall Street two. He wrote the movie twenty one about

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Speaker 1: the book bringing down the house.

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Speaker 2: You know he's been on. He's great to talk to.

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Speaker 1: Also Michael Asker, who will be our guest for the

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Speaker 1: Oscars Betting podcast as well.

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Speaker 2: And that was great.

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Speaker 4: I was great.

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Speaker 1: We were having lunch, major not just celebrity sighting interaction.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready, Tom Moore?

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Speaker 4: Well, how did that even happen?

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Speaker 2: Demi Moore and Alan loebe are friends.

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Speaker 1: Oh so we were sitting at lunch and Demi Moore

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Speaker 1: comes over, like we spent ten minutes talking to me

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Speaker 1: Moore and it was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: She couldn't have been nicer. It was super friendly. Her

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Speaker 2: and Al our great friends and they're chatting. I was

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Speaker 2: just hanging. I was hob nobn I wasn't even hanging.

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Speaker 2: I was hob nobbing.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: That's definitely one of my early crushes, especially in the

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Speaker 3: early nineties.

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Speaker 4: Man her Marine. Is that the name of the movie,

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Speaker 4: uh G I Jane Gig There.

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Speaker 1: We go, G I Jane, which is the joke that

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Speaker 1: ultimately led to Chris Rock getting slapped by words. We

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Speaker 1: got a lot of all start to talk about, We

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Speaker 1: got a lot of NBA to talk about. It's appropriate

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Speaker 1: that we're talking about it now because our guest is

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Speaker 1: another one of our Volume brothers, Jason Timp, host of

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Speaker 1: The Hoops Tonight YouTube channel and podcast. I feel like

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Speaker 1: Jason is the epitome of the new Democratic Creator universe.

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Speaker 1: It's a he was a serious NBA obsessive hoops fan,

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Speaker 1: Lakers fan has turned that into the pre eminent NBA

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Speaker 1: podcast show on All the Time, anchoring the volumes NBA coverage.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna set up the second half the season. Get

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Speaker 1: into the nitty gritty gossip. I'd love his take on

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Speaker 1: tanking on Yannis on cal She Dame Lillard was giving

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Speaker 1: you on it's a hard time about being on Calshi

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Speaker 1: at the All Star Game. Don't forget get the shows

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome in Jason, what's up, buddy?

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 5: Chat with so Simon. It's good to see you guys.

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Speaker 4: Chat.

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Speaker 5: I have to know, when I was watching the broadcast

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Speaker 5: at the Into It Dome, I couldn't even see the

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Speaker 5: fans because of these lights that are by the seats.

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Speaker 5: What was that like being in the arena.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: They have made such a big deal about this being

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Speaker 1: sort of a seamless experience, right, And because what you

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Speaker 1: do is you download the app and then they take

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Speaker 1: a picture of your face in the app, and so

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Speaker 1: you don't even have to stop.

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Speaker 2: It's all facial recognition.

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Speaker 1: When you're going in, if you're getting food, you can

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Speaker 1: just pick it up and you don't have to stop.

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Speaker 1: Because if you've connected your credit card to the app

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Speaker 1: and face, they're capturing.

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Speaker 2: All that information.

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Speaker 1: It's all very sort of you know, what was that

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit freaky.

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Speaker 1: I was just not that impressed to be honest, And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. It took I think four times

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Speaker 1: to download the app. It kept timing out, and then

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Speaker 1: when I did download the app the first time, I

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Speaker 1: couldn't read my face. Another time it timed out while

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Speaker 1: trying to get me to log in even opening the app.

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Speaker 1: When you open an app these days, and we've all

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Speaker 1: become spoiled, you open an app and it immediately is

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Speaker 1: on the page of the home screen. This like it's loading.

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Speaker 1: It's got a guy dribbling the basketball. It says, you know,

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Speaker 1: into a dome powered by Microsoft, and it was taking

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Speaker 1: that would have my tickets, that would have sort of

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Speaker 1: the activities, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: So a little bit of.

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Speaker 1: My experience which just soured because I was unimpressed. I

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Speaker 1: was unimpressed with the tech, to be honest.

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Speaker 2: And then once we were in. Yeah, the lights were

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Speaker 2: flashing everywhere. It was fine.

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Speaker 1: It didn't like blind me. I would say the coolest,

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Speaker 1: coolest part was that wall. I forgot what they call it,

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Speaker 1: the wave or the swell, the swell that is brilliant

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Speaker 1: and every NBA team should be creating something like this

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Speaker 1: because it was awesome and like they are making players

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Speaker 1: misfree throws and it was really it was.

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Speaker 2: It was definitely cool.

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Speaker 1: I wish more teams in the NBA would sort of

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Speaker 2: Its great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I uh, I remember McHale Center growing up.

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Speaker 5: They had the big wall of fans right behind the basket.

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Speaker 5: It just provided like a different energy.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 5: I think it's difficult to replicate because so many teams

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Speaker 5: are or so many like games have more of like

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Speaker 5: I gotta say overall, they're at least trying stuff. They're

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Speaker 2: I would also say, you know, they did this in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: I went out to Vegas for the NBA Cup and

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Speaker 1: I was there for the finals for the Nicks and

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Speaker 1: the Spurs, and I don't know if the NBA sort

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Speaker 1: of the very engaged and loud and spirited chearing that

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Speaker 1: I think Spurs fans do. That is I think pulled

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Speaker 1: from some of Mexican soccer right. And there was also

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Speaker 1: very engaged, very loud Knicks fans section. It may became

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Speaker 2: Travel, but they had this. If they could figure out

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Speaker 2: a way to replicate.

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Speaker 1: Any of that, it would be truly amazing because it's

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Speaker 1: great in an arena like that, it's really really fun.

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Speaker 5: And when you don't have the to the app thing

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Speaker 5: you're pointing out, like until these these cell phone towers

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Speaker 5: can manage the bandwidth necessary to actually service twenty thousand

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Speaker 5: people in a single shoulding, none of it really matters.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of like smart home tech. Like smart home

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Speaker 5: tech is really cool in theory, but if it only

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Speaker 5: works two thirds of the time when you're at your

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Speaker 5: So like, yeah, I could totally feel you there.

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Speaker 1: All right, brother, You know, I love the NBA And

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to talk about. There is tanking that

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Speaker 1: is rampant, that became an issue at All Star more

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Speaker 1: and you've talked about this on your show. You look

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Speaker 1: at the odds to win the title. You've got the

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Speaker 1: Thunder at the shortest odds, then you got the Nuggets.

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Speaker 5: Paul George is this guy that he's number two ing for. Right, So, like,

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Speaker 3: Finally, let's get through a real question that matters, just

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Speaker 5: Oh man, I've been trying to avoid this one as

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of strong evidence, Like the main one

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Speaker 5: that's a that's a like if they were if I

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Speaker 1: You're talking about set up what you're talking about, because

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Speaker 4: Really you don't know this old story chat. I feel

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Speaker 5: Just has got these burner accounts, and he's in these

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Speaker 3: Chat like like like it looks like it's KD.

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Speaker 5: Like it's really bad too, It's really bad and like

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Speaker 5: He's openly pretending to be KD at the very least,

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Speaker 4: Is this you? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: So like it's it's the evidence is compelling. The hard

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Speaker 3: Like I'm another way. So you're a married man, I'm

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Speaker 4: Twitter is clearly a hobby for him, Like I'm not

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Speaker 4: I do want to.

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Speaker 2: Bring it out.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. But what did he say about

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Speaker 3: Calling dude's bums being like, no one likes this guy,

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Speaker 5: He said Shane gun can't shoot or defend. He'd like

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Speaker 1: But he does have a history of going on Twitter, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and defending himself very aggressively.

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Speaker 2: Simon, you know and Jason you gout. You probably know

444
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Speaker 2: Matt Moore from the Action Network.

445
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Speaker 1: And like he has gotten into huge debates with Kevin

446
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Speaker 1: Durant about Kevin Durant's status in the league and the

447
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Speaker 1: advanced analytics and what they're saying. Raheem Palmer, who was

448
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Speaker 1: at Action is now with the Ringer same thing, like

449
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: kd is in his DMS and he's complaining about the

450
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Speaker 1: coverage he gets and how he's like ranked amongst players.

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Speaker 1: You can see it with KD when there are fans

452
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Speaker 1: in the stands and they're like, KD is my number one,

453
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Speaker 1: I don't care what anyone says. And he'll look up

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Speaker 1: in the stands and wink at that kid with the

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Speaker 1: sign like it's clearly a thing for him. So it

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Speaker 1: would not surprise me at all if any of this

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Speaker 1: was true.

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Speaker 5: I would say it's more likely than not that it

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Speaker 5: was KD. Let's just read it that way.

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Speaker 1: So, by the way, by the way, one more thing.

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Speaker 1: At All Star on Saturday night, I was.

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Speaker 2: At an event. Like one hundred people were there, including KD.

463
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Speaker 2: I walked by him.

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Speaker 1: It's just out of context. It's really a remarkable physical presence.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so dark, so tall, so impressive, and like

466
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Speaker 1: you know, on the court he looks so much thinner

467
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Speaker 1: than everybody else, but in real life he's such a

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Speaker 1: massive human being.

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Speaker 2: It's it's truly remarkable.

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Speaker 4: I just want to I was one with one last

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Speaker 4: point with the East.

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Speaker 3: No one's talking about it, buy No pros have been

473
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Speaker 3: hammering this team all summer, hammer him all fall, and

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Speaker 3: it's been paying out for him. Boston, Boston is still

475
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Speaker 3: fourteen to one. Yes, and we see it every time

476
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Speaker 3: the NBA. You have a leader, which you know you

477
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Speaker 3: can get Brown as much crap as you want. He

478
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Speaker 3: is a leader of that team. You have the coach.

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Speaker 3: They've been there before.

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Speaker 4: Dad.

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Speaker 3: Just talking about all the issues with the Cash Show,

482
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Speaker 3: can you talk about Detroit's issues? They can be schemed

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Speaker 3: up by the right type of coach. Fourteen to one

484
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Speaker 3: in the possiblity of Jason Tatum coming back for the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked, Jason, that wasn't a team you fired away

486
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Speaker 3: because again I talked to like pros every weekend about

487
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Speaker 3: NBA stuff because I'm trying to get back into it again.

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Speaker 4: I'm a Sixers fan. I've been hoping here sixeris.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, it's all Boston love a they you think they're

490
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Speaker 3: off Placer Do you think that's a nice sleepy contender

491
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Speaker 3: here in the East.

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Speaker 5: I've been super impressed by Boston this year. I think

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Speaker 5: them winning to the extent that they have is a

494
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Speaker 5: testament to Joe Mizzoula in particular, as well as the

495
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Speaker 5: continuity that Brad Stevens is really bred into this group.

496
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Speaker 5: I just kind of sticking with fundamentally the same core

497
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Speaker 5: over the like Derek White, Peyton Pritchard, Sam hous Er,

498
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Speaker 5: Jalen Brown. These are guys that have been around for

499
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Speaker 5: a long time in Boston and Joe Mizula's system, this

500
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Speaker 5: Driving Kicks system has come with the lumps for Boston.

501
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Speaker 5: The main one is like they can get stagnant and

502
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Speaker 5: settle and take bad threes versus taking good threes. There's

503
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Speaker 5: a huge difference between those two ideas. Like sometimes like

504
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 5: teams will pump up three point volume for math's sake,

505
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Speaker 5: and in the process you take a lot of bad

506
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Speaker 5: shots and it doesn't actually work out for you. And

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Speaker 5: what's actually fascinating is they've lost through Holiday, They've lost

508
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Speaker 5: Christops Porzingis, They've lost Al Horford, they lost Jason Tatum,

509
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Speaker 5: So four of their core six players from the rotation

510
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Speaker 5: that they're basically for their top six players from from

511
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Speaker 5: the championship.

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Speaker 3: Teambard, right, everyone they're going to be an eight seed,

513
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Speaker 3: seven seed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone thought they would be more like the Pacers, right,

515
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Speaker 5: and like, you know, I was kind of more in

516
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Speaker 5: the middle. I thought they'd be kind of like right

517
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Speaker 5: around five hundred and like the the main goal you're

518
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Speaker 5: looking for there is like, oh, maybe we'll find a

519
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Speaker 5: rotation piece for the future. By the way they did,

520
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Speaker 5: Jordan Walsh is going to be that guy. I think

521
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Speaker 5: Memkada also has kind of proven to be a rock

522
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Speaker 5: solid starting center for that particular team. But I would

523
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Speaker 5: argue that like Boston's success is very much a product

524
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Speaker 5: of their system, and I mean that as a compliment,

525
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Speaker 5: but they are a team that I think is out

526
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Speaker 5: kicking their coverage in terms of talent right now. And

527
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Speaker 5: the main thing that I would look at there is like, Okay,

528
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Speaker 5: do we think their perimeter defense core is as good

529
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Speaker 5: as some of these other teams in the East? I

530
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Speaker 5: actually don't there. Front court, like their center rotation, even

531
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Speaker 5: with Vusovich, Fusovic and Kida, is better than what they

532
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Speaker 5: had to start the season, but I don't think they

533
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Speaker 5: have as good as center rotation as some of these

534
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Speaker 5: other teams. They're like Jared Allen and Evan Mobley canna

535
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Speaker 5: have a huge advantage there. Jalen Duran and Isaiah Stewart

536
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 5: are gonna have a huge advantage there, like even Karl

537
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 5: Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson. That's a huge advantage there,

538
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Speaker 5: And then when it comes down to shot creation, Like

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Speaker 5: you know, Jalen Brown's had a very impressive season, he

540
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Speaker 5: has tailed off pretty substantially in the last month or

541
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Speaker 5: so in terms of his efficiency. His efficiency is kind

542
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Speaker 5: of cratered a little bit. And it just there's a

543
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Speaker 5: lot of pressure on Jason Tatum not just to come back,

544
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Speaker 5: but to be really, really good. And so again a

545
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Speaker 5: testament to the Celtics organizationally that they've had this season. Again,

546
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Speaker 5: like them and Indiana are the two teams you're looking at. Like,

547
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 5: both teams basically lost their starting center, both teams lost

548
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 5: their best player. One team went into the tank, and

549
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 5: the other team is like legitimately a championship contender. So

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Speaker 5: shout outs to Boston for the success of this season.

551
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Speaker 5: But like again, I have him in that same tier.

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Speaker 5: Like I don't want to say pretend like they're they're

553
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Speaker 5: not in the mix, but I just like a couple

554
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 5: other of these other teams better almost in each of

555
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Speaker 5: their individual position groups.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about this one team in the

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Speaker 1: West that you are high on that has great odds.

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Speaker 1: But this is like a quirky NBA thing, and you're

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00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, Emaodoka gets run out of

588
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: Boston because of improper relationships and Joe Missoula takes over.

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00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: Right before that, Udoka's top assistant was Will Hardy. Will

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Speaker 1: Hardy went and took the jazz job. I always wonder

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Speaker 1: the Celtics are now perennial contenders, great coach, great roster,

592
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: Brad Stevens has almost gotten them out of cap hell.

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Speaker 1: Will Hardy is now in what year four of coaching

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Speaker 1: a craptastic jazz team that is the epitome of tanking

595
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: right now? Is there any scuttle but like, do you

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Speaker 1: ever hear anything? Like where Will Hardy is?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: What the fuck? Man? How did I miss the timing

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Speaker 2: on this?

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Speaker 5: I think Will Hardy is set up really well to

601
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 5: coach a very fun jazz team. So the Jazz have

602
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Speaker 5: been so I'm not sure if either of you guys

603
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 5: are familiar with Keante George, but he is a young guard.

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Speaker 5: For the first couple of years in Utah that was

605
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 5: just too inefficient. There was some flashes, some high scoring games,

606
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Speaker 5: but it just didn't really come together. And he's actually

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Speaker 5: a third and most improved player odds this year in

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Speaker 5: a distant third I think at like plus eight hundred

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Speaker 5: on hard rock bed right now, which is surprising to

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Speaker 5: me because I'd actually put him closer into that same

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Speaker 5: group with Denny Avdia and Jalen Johnson. He has been

612
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Speaker 5: in that kind of like that like dead serious mix

613
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Speaker 5: of guys who are in the mid twenties and points

614
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Speaker 5: per game and over sixty percent true shooting, a legitimate

615
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Speaker 5: pull up jump shooting threat from all three, from a

616
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Speaker 5: legit three level score, He's become a very good passer

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Speaker 5: and pick and roll and between him and Laurie Marknen

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Speaker 5: and then you've got Jaren Jackson entering into this situation.

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Speaker 5: Now he just got he's gonna sit out the rest

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Speaker 5: of the season, but he'll be back next year. Walker

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Speaker 5: Kessler had a torn lebrun but he's actually one of

622
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Speaker 5: the better young center prospects in the league. So, like

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Speaker 5: I think with Utah, it was an investment. And Utah

624
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 5: is very much like in the next group of that

625
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Speaker 5: like kind of okay See's San Antonio type of situations

626
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Speaker 5: that's about to take a turn towards being a legitimate

627
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Speaker 5: contender in this league. I think they're gonna be a

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Speaker 5: like a legit middle of the Western Conference type of

629
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Speaker 5: threat next season. And so with Hardy, it was just

630
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Speaker 5: an investment, you know, and I think I think he's

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Speaker 5: going to be coaching some dead serious basketball now. To me,

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Speaker 5: the fascinating part is like em Udoka was very much

633
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Speaker 5: the toughness coach. He was the guy who came in

634
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 5: and was just super hard on Tatum and Brown to

635
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 5: turn them into tougher basketball players. He goes off to Houston.

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Speaker 5: Joe Mizzoula and Will Hardy are both like brilliant offensive tacticians.

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Speaker 5: Will Hardy is excellent with his off ball action. That's

638
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Speaker 5: what he's been killing teams with this year with Lauri

639
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 5: markinin like the amount of times that he'll just have

640
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Speaker 5: one of his centers at top with the kid with

641
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Speaker 5: the ball and then there's Lori going through some sort

642
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 5: of off ball screening action and slipping to the basket

643
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 5: for layups and dunks and getting all sorts of easy threes.

644
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 5: And then Joe Mizula is kind of like the pioneer

645
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Speaker 5: of modern NBA spacing, Like the four out one in

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Speaker 5: spacing for matchup, Attacking guards in the dunker spot is

647
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 5: a big one. If you situate a guard underneath the basket,

648
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 5: that means the guards and help the guards and help

649
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 5: then that when Tatum's driving or Jalen Brown's driving, he's

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Speaker 5: finishing over a smaller player at the rim. He was

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Speaker 5: the one who kept situating Porzingis and Horford above the

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Speaker 5: break so that the rim protector are far away from

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Speaker 5: the basket. So like, it's kind of cool that you

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Speaker 5: have like a toughness mentality based coach who kind of

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00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 5: cultivated these two offensive geniuses. It's kind of a random

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Speaker 5: thing there.

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Speaker 1: All right, Simon, I will finally let you jump in

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Speaker 1: with the most important question.

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Speaker 3: Well we already had the most important question, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: we we obviously we want to talk about the Timberwolves.

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Speaker 4: Right, They're a team that is top tier.

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Speaker 3: You have them ranked pretty high, and you know you

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Speaker 3: can get them pretty good odds, right, cheat, is it

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Speaker 3: what thirty to one something?

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Speaker 4: Like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Minnesota to me is like the Philadelphia Eagles of

667
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Speaker 5: the NBA. Oh no, And this last year is probably

668
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Speaker 5: not the best example, but the year before the year

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Speaker 5: they won the Super Bowl at point two, there were

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Speaker 5: a couple times that season where if you turn on

671
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Speaker 5: the Eagles, you're like, these guys are terrible. I mean,

672
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Speaker 5: because like there was just like the offense lacked that

673
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Speaker 5: like down the field element and and they're it just

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Speaker 5: things would look super stagnant.

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Speaker 4: But then what happened.

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Speaker 5: They get into the postseason and their offensive line would

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Speaker 5: mal you, and their defensive line would mal you, and

678
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Speaker 5: they just were too difficult to beat because how physical

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Speaker 5: they were on the front. That's kind of like what

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Speaker 5: Minnesota is at this point. Minnesota, to me, they have

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Speaker 5: been one of the worst effort teams in the regular

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Speaker 5: season of the last couple of years. And it talked

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Speaker 5: to anybody who covers the Timberwolves, talk to anybody who's

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Speaker 5: a fan of the timber Wolves, they'll tell you these

685
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 5: dudes like straight up don't try a lot of the time.

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Speaker 5: They are very very bored in the regular season. Yet

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Speaker 5: despite that, they have awesome metrics. They are top ten

688
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Speaker 5: in offensive rating top ten in defensive rating, top ten

689
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Speaker 5: in rebounding. They are a team that has in the

690
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Speaker 5: large sample actually performed really well considering how poor their

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Speaker 5: effort has been. What that tells you is that their

692
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Speaker 5: fastball is every bit as fast as the best teams

693
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Speaker 5: in the league, and the specific dynamic is they can

694
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Speaker 5: physically overwhelm you. They have Rudy Gobert, who's this brilliant

695
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 5: defensive anchor that can run a variety of different coverages.

696
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Speaker 5: They've got Jayden McDaniels, who's one of the best three

697
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Speaker 5: and D wings in the entire NBA. You've got this

698
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 5: depth of perimeter defense talent as well. Guys like Dante DiVincenzo,

699
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 5: Anthony Edwards can guard on the ball really well. Jalen

700
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Speaker 5: Clark can guard on the ball really well. And what

701
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Speaker 5: they have is this really impressive collection of on ball

702
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 5: bullyball players like Nasried can bully people, Julius Randall can

703
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 5: bully people. Anthony Edwards in his own way has a

704
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Speaker 5: bullyball element. And they're surrounded with jump shooting. Jada McDaniels

705
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Speaker 5: has taken a massive leap as a three point shooter

706
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 5: this year. That is huge. So what they have is

707
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 5: this brilliant combination of athleticism and shooting, so that when

708
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 5: they ratchet things up, when they really throw their fastball,

709
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 5: they physically overwhelm you on defense, and then their main

710
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 5: offensive players just draw so much attention and everyone's a

711
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Speaker 5: good kickout three point shooter. They just have a really,

712
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Speaker 5: really high ceiling on both ends of the floor. The

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Speaker 5: other last part, the main reason why I have them

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Speaker 5: in that top tier is their specific matchup with OKC.

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Speaker 5: They have the combination of things that you need to

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Speaker 5: make Okay see struggle on offense, which is athletic on

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Speaker 5: the perimeter and having real rim protection. In the matchups

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Speaker 5: against Oklahoma City this year, they've actually kind of overwhelmed

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Speaker 5: OKC and made their offense look really limited. The main

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Speaker 5: difference between the two teams in their playoff matchup last

721
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 5: year was Shay kicked Ant's ass like kicked his ass bad,

722
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Speaker 5: and Ant is just a better player by a wide

723
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Speaker 5: margin than he was last year. The specific difference is

724
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Speaker 5: his at the rim finishing. Used to be a guy

725
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Speaker 5: that was very much like a bull in a China

726
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 5: shop going downhill. He's much better now at patiently waiting

727
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 5: for the play to develop and finding the right seams

728
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 5: to attack, and so he his rim finishing has skyrocketed

729
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 5: year over year, like I mean legitimately skyrocketed, and so

730
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Speaker 5: because of that, he's far more efficient. He's a little

731
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Speaker 5: bit less. He was a little too heavy on the

732
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Speaker 5: three point volume last year. He's toned that back a

733
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Speaker 5: little bit. He's turned those into rim attempts ants better.

734
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Speaker 5: Jaden's better. It's even the best version of Rudy we've

735
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Speaker 5: seen in years. They're deeper. I love the io Da

736
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Speaker 5: Sunmu addition as like a legitimate guy that can go

737
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Speaker 5: for twenty five thirty points on any given night. He

738
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Speaker 5: was playing awesome with Chicago this year. Was one of

739
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Speaker 5: the better shot creators. I just think they're a team

740
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Speaker 5: that's way better than they look in the standings because

741
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Speaker 5: they don't play hard all the time. Typically, teams that

742
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Speaker 5: flip the switch scare you off. This team can really

743
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Speaker 5: flip the switch like that's they will flip it and

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Speaker 5: they're damn near impossible to beat when they do.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about the t Wolves, We've talked about the Celtics,

784
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Speaker 1: We've talked about the Calves. I don't feel like we

785
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: need to spend a lot of time in the thunder

786
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Speaker 1: and the Nuggets at a top the futures tables right now.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned at the top of the show. You

788
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: got your start as a Lakers obsessive. You know that franchise.

789
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: Your show used to be called Lakers tonight. They of

790
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: course take up so much oxygen. Luca is I think

791
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: second in MVP adds right now after Shay, what is

792
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: your take on this franchise and how it manages itself

793
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: in the coming years. It's not a it's not a

794
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: championship contending team right now, but what do they do

795
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Speaker 1: to become a championship contending team?

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Speaker 5: So you know how we were talking about with Minnesota,

797
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 5: there's this combination of athleticism and jump shooting. Those are

798
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Speaker 5: like I would argue if you asked me just to

799
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Speaker 5: list the most important traits that an NBA roster needs

800
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Speaker 5: to have, Athleticism and jump shooting would be the two

801
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 5: big ones. Athleticism has just come to the forefront as

802
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Speaker 5: the league has become so much more of a transition league.

803
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Speaker 5: The simple way I can describe it is a transition

804
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 5: possession is worth roughly twenty percent more than a half

805
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Speaker 5: court possession, So every team is hunting as many transition

806
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Speaker 5: opportunities as possible. This is why Indiana, for example, went

807
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Speaker 5: on a run last year, just because Tyre's Halliburton breeds

808
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 5: such a transition heavy attack that they can win on

809
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Speaker 5: the margins and it doesn't matter if they struggle in

810
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Speaker 5: the half court a little bit. You gotta have athleticism,

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Speaker 5: you gotta have jump shooting. The Lakers are devoid of both.

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Speaker 5: Their strength right now is the fact that they have

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Speaker 5: these three stars, and ironically none of them have been

814
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Speaker 5: available at the same time because when Lebron and Austin

815
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Speaker 5: and Luca were all available, it was when Lebron skipped

816
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 5: training camp and it was like his first week at

817
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 5: games and he was bad. Then Austin goes down, Lebron

818
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 5: finds his groove, Austin comes back, Luca goes down the

819
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 5: hamstring injury. So they've always just had two of these

820
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 5: guys available this year, and those guys have been so

821
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 5: good they've carried them to their strong record. But down

822
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 5: the roster they are so devoid of athleticism and jump shooting.

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Speaker 5: And Lebron I think has a good chance to leave

824
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Speaker 5: after this season. If Lebron leaves, let's say he goes

825
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 5: to Cleveland. I mean, even if he comes back. If

826
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Speaker 5: we're talking about a forty two year old next year, right,

827
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Speaker 5: So like all of a sudden, it's just Luca and Austin.

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Speaker 4: So this roster.

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Speaker 5: Needs to be completely rebuilt from the ground up. They

830
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Speaker 5: do not have a starting small forward, they won't have

831
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Speaker 5: a starting power forward when Lebron leaves. They are not

832
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Speaker 5: going to re up with DeAndre and he might pick

833
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 5: up his option, but I promise you they're looking at

834
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Speaker 5: a different starting center next year. And when it comes

835
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Speaker 5: to the bench, you're looking for guys who can knock

836
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Speaker 5: down threes and defend. They don't have a single guy

837
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 5: on the team who is a good catch and shoot

838
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 5: player and a good defender. They have two good catch

839
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Speaker 5: and shoot players, Ruey and Luke Canard who they just

840
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 5: traded for. Both of them are six difficultly below average

841
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 5: defensive players. So this is a complete upheaval that they

842
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 5: need over the next few years. And where you're really

843
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 5: seeing the suffering is from the mistakes that Rob has

844
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 5: made on the Margins over the years, like blowing first

845
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 5: round picks on Jalen Huchafino and Dalton connect like getting

846
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 5: nothing out of them. You look over at the Clippers

847
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 5: and like Jordan Miller and Kobe Sanders, our second round

848
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 5: picks for them that are playing huge roles because their

849
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 5: hits in the draft. The Lakers have missed on almost

850
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 5: every major draft pick they've made in the last five years.

851
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 5: You add to that the Kendrick Nunn signing and he

852
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 5: gave Vincent signing. So you've botched your mid level exceptions.

853
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 5: Even the good players that have come up to your system.

854
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 5: You've let walk. Letting Alex Crusoe walk last year. Jordan

855
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 5: Goodwin was one of the most valuable role players on

856
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 5: that team. They needed to clear a roster spot. All

857
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 5: they had to do was attach a second round pick

858
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 5: to one of these lesser contracts to do it. They

859
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 5: refuse to. They let Jordan Goodwin walk. Goodwin's having an

860
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 5: off some season in Phoenix right now, like literally one

861
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 5: of their most important role players, and guess what he

862
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 5: can catch and shoot and play defense, the one thing

863
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 5: that the Lakers are lacking, and so there have just

864
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 5: been so many misses on the margins over the last

865
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 5: few years. What they need is to hit on all

866
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 5: that stuff. They need to hit on their twenty twenty

867
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 5: six first round pick, they need to hit on their

868
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: mid level exception signing, They need to hit on a

869
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 5: trade or two this summer for a starting caliber player.

870
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 5: They need to hit on the margins with vet minimum

871
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 5: signings and two way guys, and they just need to

872
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 5: go like ten for ten on their next few trade

873
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 5: cycles and free agent cycles. And we're dealing with Rob

874
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 5: Polinko who's just been perennially really bad at this so

875
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 5: I'm not super optimistic about it, to be frank.

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting because you look at that Anthony Davis.

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00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: Luca trade a year later.

878
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: Obviously Davis is no longer even on the Mavericks and

879
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: Luca's anchoring a mediocre team in the Lakers. It kind

880
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: of hasn't worked out for anybody, especially not the Lakers

881
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: in the way they thought that it would. And they

882
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: got to sort of figure out, how are they going

883
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: to build around this guy because that's going to be

884
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: their superstar, And it's fascinating that it hasn't that trade

885
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: to not catapult either team into the stratosphere that they

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00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: were expecting it to do.

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Speaker 4: Another one. I think it worked out perfect for both teams.

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00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: You got Luca if you're the Lakers, I mean, holy shit,

889
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 3: and you got Cooper Flag. Like I as someone as

890
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: a Duke fan, I really did not think this.

891
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: Kid would be what he is already. So like again,

892
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 4: he's eighteen.

893
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: Nineteen years old, he's already got multiple ways to be

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00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: guys off.

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Speaker 4: Its just the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe that they got that lucky because I'm

897
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 3: with you, Dallas. They should be sent back ten years

898
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: because of that trade and the ping pong balls bounced

899
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: their way and they got just what looks like an

900
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: absolute study of Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, to round it off, like to close

902
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: out the show, Cooper Flag konk Nipple's only competition for

903
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year, but it's going to be Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 2: MVP probably going to be Shay, even.

905
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Speaker 1: Though you could argue Jokic deserves it for the perennial

906
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: triple doubles. He just had that stretch where he missed

907
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: games and Shay hasn't really and Okay see will probably

908
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: end up with the best record in the NBA. The

909
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: really interesting matchups could be the long shots. It could

910
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: be the long shots for Minnesota or some team like

911
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: Boston or Cleveland to come out of the East. That

912
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: might be where the most value could be from a

913
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: betting point of view, Right.

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Speaker 5: Now, can I actually pitch you a long shot MVP candidate.

915
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: That I like you are the NBA maven for the

916
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: Volume podcast network. You can do whatever you want, and

917
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: you should exercise that authority, gravitas and a number one status.

918
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Speaker 5: There's very little shot that Jokic gets it because if

919
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 5: he misses two more games, he's just qualified. Luca the

920
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 5: team's not good enough and he just hasn't been as

921
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 5: good as Shay. Kaid's the one guy that I'm like,

922
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 5: man plus fourteen hundred right now in hard rock Bett

923
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 5: and like, hear me out. This is the case. Detroit's

924
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 5: got the best record in the league, They've been the

925
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 5: best against the lower level teams. They seem to care

926
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 5: more about this regular season. Oklahoma City's very much like,

927
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 5: let's just get to the finish line healthy. They're not

928
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 5: trying to pursue seventy wins or anything like that. What

929
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 5: if Detroit finishes three or four games ahead of Okay,

930
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 5: see in the standings, and then you go to Cad

931
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 5: and you're like, Okay, this guy's averaging twenty five six

932
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 5: and ten or whatever it is that he's averaging twenty six.

933
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 5: I think he's twenty six six and ten. What if

934
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 5: he goes up a level to tail end of the

935
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 5: season because the big knock on him, his scoring volumes

936
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 5: a little low and his efficiency's a little low. He's

937
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 5: like fifty seven percent true shooting and he's in the

938
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 5: mid twenties. If for the next thirty games he averages

939
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 5: twenty nine on sixty one percent true shooting in the

940
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 5: Pistons finished three games ahead, Okay, see, I think he's

941
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 5: the MVP and at that point plus fourteen hundred for

942
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 5: an outcome that I think is relatively achievable. And you know,

943
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 5: we also have this soft tissue injury for Shay, Like

944
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 5: he's got this abdominal injury. He's allegedly coming back after

945
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 5: All Star, but you never know what that kind of

946
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 5: stuff we've seen, especially with the Orlando Magic Stars, that

947
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 5: abdominal issues can be a little recurring. So I just

948
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 5: like that as a value play.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Jason tenth hoops tonight bringing value to the show into

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Speaker 1: the Volume podcast network. You deserve all your success, brother,

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00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,560
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