Speaker 1: Welcome in What Driving Nick Wright? Episode four eighty seven.
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Speaker 1: Back show today again, scheduling updates, Gonna have a show tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Might be a little mailbag stuff, but there's so many
Speaker 1: things I want to get to today that I think
Speaker 1: some of them are going to be pushed to tomorrow's episode,
Speaker 1: including one of my favorite exercises every single year, projecting
Speaker 1: the next year's NFL Hall of Fame class as the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame induction ceremony for the Class of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six is happening this weekend. The Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: game is tonight. I don't really care that much about
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game, but I cary mentally about
Speaker 1: the actual Hall of Fame, so we'll do some of
Speaker 1: that all. So there is kind of a big picture
Speaker 1: sports media topic about what is and what is not
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six allowed to be discussed on sports
Speaker 1: television and what's not allowed to be discussed on sports
Speaker 1: television related to the Rogers McAfee reunion from a few
Speaker 1: days ago that I think we'll get into in tomorrow's show.
Speaker 1: So that's tomorrow's show. Next week regular schedule, then a
Speaker 1: little sabbatical for the first time since the TV show started.
Speaker 1: So for the first time since September of twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: I will have two consecutive weeks off leading into this
Speaker 1: football season, and so we'll be off for the end
Speaker 1: of August and then you guys know how it goes
Speaker 1: once football comes back. The Gambling Show is back. We
Speaker 1: are back to three sometimes even four episodes a week,
Speaker 1: and we are rolling. But right now there's a ton
Speaker 1: to get to, so much that some good topics didn't
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Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert share some nice canoodling on the practice field.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to do better than we
Speaker 1: did on the TV show responding to this yesterday, So
Speaker 1: you know, find the clip on social or on YouTube
Speaker 1: or watch First things first, for that Brew was really
Speaker 1: the star of that moment. But that was, you know,
Speaker 1: nice sweet moment. Maybe you know, time and a place
Speaker 1: is what you're always told. No problem with what they did,
Speaker 1: where and when they did it maybe could have been improved.
Speaker 1: The Commanders signed Steph Diggs. That maybe is a loss
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs. The Chiefs just having faith that Rashi
Speaker 1: Rice is going to get in shape and stay out
Speaker 1: of trouble, that Xavier Worthy is going to stay healthy,
Speaker 1: that the flashes they saw from Taekwon Thornton can be
Speaker 1: a real thing, that fifth round rookie Cyrus Allen can
Speaker 1: be the player that he looked like the first few
Speaker 1: days at camp before he got hurt. A lot of
Speaker 1: ifs going into the Chiefs receiving course. Stepan Diggs, I
Speaker 1: don't think is a great player anymore, even though he
Speaker 1: had a great season last year, a very good season
Speaker 1: last year with the Patriots. But the Commanders, after they determine,
Speaker 1: I think that that roster spot that they maybe had
Speaker 1: earmarked for Brandon Ayuk, that Brandon Ayuk is in no
Speaker 1: position to be playing football anymore, and so they go
Speaker 1: with Stepan Diggs and the Hall of Fame games tonight,
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett, Carson Beck. The only noteworthy piece of that
Speaker 1: is the Cardinals deep down assuredly hoping Carson Beck looks awesome.
Speaker 1: No disrespect to Jacoby Brissette, who's an excellent backup, but
Speaker 1: a bad starter, probably hoping that they hit a diamond
Speaker 1: in the rough with Carson Beck see something from him
Speaker 1: today and some late breaking news shout out Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 1: Lee building a is he a Hall of Famer type
Speaker 1: of resume? Again, very hard to make the Pro Football
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame gets a two year, forty four million
Speaker 1: dollar extension with thirty nine million guaranteed. Good for him.
Speaker 1: He was an all time great Badger, an all time
Speaker 1: great college player, and he has been one of the
Speaker 1: most consistent backs in the league since he came in
Speaker 1: a reminder for you guys, we do have for people
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Speaker 1: were going to start today before we get to Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald and the Rams, before we get to Mike Sando's
Speaker 1: Invaluable Annual Quarterback Tiers. We were going to start with
Speaker 1: something I meant to do Tuesday, which was Katie doubling
Speaker 1: down on that the twenty twenty six six Ers and
Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen Warriors. What's the difference. We are not
Speaker 1: going to start there because we're gonna start somewhere else
Speaker 1: with basketball because and we don't do this often because
Speaker 1: I am going to respond to some of the reaction
Speaker 1: to a clip we put out a couple days ago
Speaker 1: about the Lakers being the biggest losers in Lebron's free
Speaker 1: agency decision, and what generated the most reaction, which was
Speaker 1: me saying Lebron saved the Lakers. So I want to
Speaker 1: separate the two topics here. First, let me address the
Speaker 1: idea that the Lakers were the biggest loser in Lebron's
Speaker 1: free agent decision. That is certainly a matter of opinion.
Speaker 1: Smart people can disagree on that whether or not the
Speaker 1: Lakers appreciated Lebron James while he was there, did him right,
Speaker 1: or did him in some ways right and in some
Speaker 1: ways wrong, All of that is a totally fair subject
Speaker 1: of debate discussion. And if folks want to say, Nick,
Speaker 1: you have that stone wrong, you're a Lebron guy, and
Speaker 1: you're glossing over the fact that they drafted BRONI you're
Speaker 1: glossing over the fact that you know he the damage
Speaker 1: that him wanting Russell Westbrook did that those different things.
Speaker 1: And regardless of all that, it was never Lebron casts
Speaker 1: such a big shadow. It was never going to fully
Speaker 1: be Luca's team with Lebron there, and so they had
Speaker 1: to move on even for the minimum, it wouldn't have
Speaker 1: be that. We can disagree on that, but that is
Speaker 1: a matter of opinion, and so if you say, Nick,
Speaker 1: you're wrong, that's totally legitimate. I can think you're wrong,
Speaker 1: but that's a matter of debate. What people had the
Speaker 1: most vociferous reaction to, and what people got angriest about
Speaker 1: and responded to the most was the other piece of that,
Speaker 1: which is not a matter of debate at all. It
Speaker 1: is settled fact. And I am not going to sit
Speaker 1: here and allow folks in real time to recreate history,
Speaker 1: to create an alternate universe that none of us actually
Speaker 1: lived in. And that was the Lebron saved the Lakers
Speaker 1: piece that is undeniably, unequivocally true, and anyone debating otherwise
Speaker 1: is either making shit up or doesn't know what they're
Speaker 1: talking about. When Lebron James decided to sign with the Lakers,
Speaker 1: it's not only that the proudest, most decorated, most consistently
Speaker 1: successful franchise in the history of the sport was in
Speaker 1: its lowest time, a team that five years before Lebron signed,
Speaker 1: there had only missed the playoffs five times dating back
Speaker 1: to when they were in Minneapolis in their entire history,
Speaker 1: and then in the five years before Lebron got there,
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs every single year. It's not that they
Speaker 1: were bad for the Lakers. They were of the thirty
Speaker 1: teams in the NBA, the single worst team in the
Speaker 1: league for the five years leading up to Lebron getting there.
Speaker 1: That is not a matter of opinion. They play games,
Speaker 1: They have wins and losses. In the five years before
Speaker 1: Lebron got there, they had the fewest wins. Oh, but Nick,
Speaker 1: the future was bright. No, the fuck it wasn't. They
Speaker 1: had a head coach in Luke Walton who had with respect,
Speaker 1: no idea. What he was doing was not We saw
Speaker 1: when he left, the Lakers got one more brief shot
Speaker 1: at being a head coach, did not go well and
Speaker 1: is now lifetime assistant. Oh the young core that Lebron inherited,
Speaker 1: Let's go through it. Let's look at who they were.
Speaker 1: Lonzo Ball like Lonzo I think Lonzo got you know,
Speaker 1: I really respect that he has dealt with a catastrophic
Speaker 1: injury and tried to make his way in the league.
Speaker 1: But Lonzo Ball was not then and has not since then,
Speaker 1: been the centerpiece of anything significant in the NBA. They
Speaker 1: had Brandon Ingram, a nice player, the type of volume
Speaker 1: scorer that will consistently be one of the fifty best
Speaker 1: players in the league, but never sniff being one of
Speaker 1: the twenty five best players in the league. They had
Speaker 1: Kyle Kuzma, who the best basketball he's ever played, the
Speaker 1: only winning basketball he's ever played, was alongside Lebron. They
Speaker 1: had Julius Randall, who, after multiple other stops, finally turned
Speaker 1: into a real pro, a legit fringe all NBA guy,
Speaker 1: but a guy who, even a decade later, we still
Speaker 1: see given the holes in his game, how they get
Speaker 1: exacerbated come the postseason. And Josh Hart, who is a
Speaker 1: this isn't a real thing, but Hall of Fame role
Speaker 1: player who also had multiple stops before getting to the
Speaker 1: Knicks and achieving his ultimate basketball destiny, which is from
Speaker 1: his own words, if I'm your best player, your second
Speaker 1: best player, your worst team in the league, but if
Speaker 1: I'm your fourth or fifth guy, you can win a championship.
Speaker 1: Has proven that's the young core that team. If Lebron
Speaker 1: doesn't sign there, that team is a lottery team. Forever, forever.
Speaker 1: And that does not even to mention the most dysfunctional,
Speaker 1: most dysfunctional, and bottom five overall ownership situation in the
Speaker 1: sport that included the week Lebron was in the same
Speaker 1: summer Lebron signed the one of the greatest players in
Speaker 1: the history of the franchise, maybe the greatest, holding an
Speaker 1: impromptu press conference calling the GM a snake and a
Speaker 1: backstabber and saying I'm out. So, yeah, Lebron saved that team.
Speaker 1: Oh but Nick, we had the assets to get Anthony
Speaker 1: d Anthony Davis was not coming to the Lakers if
Speaker 1: Lebron James didn't go to the Lakers. So we can
Speaker 1: debate the end of Lebron. You can have an opinion
Speaker 1: whether he underachieved as a Laker. You can. You There
Speaker 1: are a lot of takes that, while I might disagree with,
Speaker 1: are at least what we would call acceptable opinions. The
Speaker 1: idea we're going against, the idea that Lebron saved the
Speaker 1: franchise is not an acceptable opinion. In the three years
Speaker 1: prior to Lebron getting there, the best single moment the
Speaker 1: Lakers had was when the G League, the forty year
Speaker 1: old G League Andre Ingram played at the end of
Speaker 1: the season that one game and scored like twenty. That's it.
Speaker 1: So don't don't try to in real time revisionist history
Speaker 1: what happened there. And it's stunning to me how many
Speaker 1: people it's one thing to try to do revisionist history
Speaker 1: on stuff that's actually like deep history. You're like, people
Speaker 1: might not know, they might not remember, they might not
Speaker 1: have done the research. We all were there. We were
Speaker 1: there for the sad end of post Achilles, of the
Speaker 1: Kobe era, where the story was maybe unfairly that Kobe's
Speaker 1: contract wasn't album tross. We were there for the twenty
Speaker 1: seven wins, the twenty one wins, the seventeen wins, the
Speaker 1: twenty six wins leading into the year before they got Lebron,
Speaker 1: when they scratched their way to thirty five wins, finishing
Speaker 1: last or second to last in the conference four of
Speaker 1: the five years, and then having a resurgent twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: where they finish eleventh. Give me a break, We're not
Speaker 1: doing it. So subject of a debate how it ended
Speaker 1: in LA not a subject of a debate how it
Speaker 1: started and what Lebron going to the Lakers did for
Speaker 1: the Lakers. Oh, Nick, but the Lakers get free. They
Speaker 1: they if Lebron hadn't signed there, Kawhi would have done it. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great alternative history. Lebron doesn't sign there, Kawhi
Speaker 1: signs there the next summer and they use all their
Speaker 1: young assets. They got to get Anthony Davis to go
Speaker 1: get Paul George. How did that decade work out for
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Speaker 1: we're not going to spend as much time on this
Speaker 1: as we would have if we did it Tuesday, because
Speaker 1: I do want to get to the NFL because it's August.
Speaker 1: There's a fake game today and you know, we are
Speaker 1: turning the page. But the KD stuff is I think
Speaker 1: actually more fascinating for a bunch of different levels then
Speaker 1: it's being given credit for it. So this all started
Speaker 1: when Katie, I think, was trying to pay bron and
Speaker 1: the Sixers a compliment when he said, and we can
Speaker 1: put it up. Last time they put three twenty point
Speaker 1: scorers on a team, they said it was unfair, which
Speaker 1: was the team I was on, the Sixers have got
Speaker 1: four to twenty five point scorers on this team, So
Speaker 1: hell yeah, I think they're going to be a contender now.
Speaker 1: The only team that people said was unfair that Durant
Speaker 1: was on was the Warriors. More on them in a moment.
Speaker 1: But that's not the last team to have three twenty
Speaker 1: point scorers come together. In fact, it's not even the
Speaker 1: last or the second to last team to have three
Speaker 1: to twenty point per game scorers on it that Durant
Speaker 1: was on, because when he joined the Suns and then
Speaker 1: they added Bradley Beal, that team had three twenty point
Speaker 1: per game scorers. And when he joined the Nets and
Speaker 1: then they added James Harden, that team at three twenty
Speaker 1: point per game scorers along with him and Kyrie Irvick.
Speaker 1: But he's obviously talking about the Warriors, and I think
Speaker 1: Draymond before Kad doubled down, had the right take on
Speaker 1: this when he basically said Kat just looks at He
Speaker 1: compared it to Uncle Drew in the old Nike commercials.
Speaker 1: It was that Nike or Sprite. I think it was Nike.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter that he just looks at the game as
Speaker 1: getting buckets and oh it's PEPSI oh wow, the good job,
Speaker 1: I mean bad job by me, maybe also a bad
Speaker 1: job by PEPSI. That's an iconic commercial that not only
Speaker 1: did I not know it was them, but I thought
Speaker 1: it might be a soda company, and I went with
Speaker 1: a different competing soda company. Regardless that it's just getting buckets.
Speaker 1: That the way Katie looks at the game is just
Speaker 1: getting buckets. And that's kind of Katie's own words. If
Speaker 1: you remember the interview he did, I think it was
Speaker 1: around the Olympic time, when oh, it was in that,
Speaker 1: I think it was in starting five the Netflix dock
Speaker 1: when he's like, I can get five guys off the
Speaker 1: street to play defense. He's like, defense about sliding, hands
Speaker 1: up effort. The game's about getting buckets. And by the way,
Speaker 1: he's not totally wrong about the most important skill in
Speaker 1: the league for an individual player is about going and
Speaker 1: getting buckets. So while comparing it to the Warriors in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen was of course, of course laugh you could
Speaker 1: give him the benefit of the doubt. You then were
Speaker 1: not able to give him the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 1: when he put this on Instagram, I believe in response
Speaker 1: to someone saying those two teams aren't close. He then says,
Speaker 1: ain't close, laughing my ass off. Joel MVP recently, Jalen
Speaker 1: Brown recent finals, MVP, Tyrese MAXI all started the last
Speaker 1: three years. We all know what bron does. Clay Thompson
Speaker 1: never a MVP candidate in nothing, twenty two points per game,
Speaker 1: Draymond fourteen seven and six, Steph and MVP just like
Speaker 1: Joel was. I don't get how the Warriors team is
Speaker 1: better on paper. So Clay responded, saying, ay Man, you good,
Speaker 1: because that is a real shot at Clay never an
Speaker 1: MVP in nothing. I mean, I don't know. I assume
Speaker 1: he was the MVP of like Washington State when he
Speaker 1: was there, so I haven't looked. I assume he was
Speaker 1: the MVP, you know, of his district in high school.
Speaker 1: And Draymond said, slim thought he was on his burner,
Speaker 1: and those are like real shots. It's also ludicrous and
Speaker 1: so even though so here's so let me first address
Speaker 1: it on its merits and then talk about why I
Speaker 1: find it fascinating. Then we'll get to football. Let's just
Speaker 1: go with the first thing. He put Joel MVP recently,
Speaker 1: so that would be the Steph, the Joe the Steph
Speaker 1: and Joel are the comps. Right, Steph wasn't the MVP
Speaker 1: recently when Durant signed. Durant signed two months after Steph
Speaker 1: was handed his second straight trophy, and this one was
Speaker 1: the first ever unanimous. Steph was in that moment a
Speaker 1: top three player. Durant in that moment was a top
Speaker 1: three player. Joel Embiid right now, even when healthy, even
Speaker 1: a healthy Joel Embiid, which obviously the big concern is
Speaker 1: he's not going to be healthy, but say you could
Speaker 1: waive a magic wand and he is because of what
Speaker 1: the injuries have done to his mobility, his defensive and
Speaker 1: rebounding impact. Win healthy Embiid is closer to fifteen than
Speaker 1: he is to three, somewhere in that ten to fifteen range. Lebron,
Speaker 1: who's the addition, is also I think most I probably
Speaker 1: consider him a little better than most people, but I
Speaker 1: think he's probably over the course of a season right now,
Speaker 1: right around ten in the league. I think most people
Speaker 1: have him closer to fifteen. But so the Stephen kd
Speaker 1: were the second and third best players in the league.
Speaker 1: Lebron going into year twenty four at age forty one,
Speaker 1: call him, call him in EMBIID instead of two and three,
Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen. And then it gets to the shots
Speaker 1: at Draymond and Clay, which I think are super fascinating,
Speaker 1: great job producers. In high school at Santa Margarita Catholic
Speaker 1: High School, senior Clay was named Division three State Player
Speaker 1: of the Year in league MVP Clay should have called
Speaker 1: out the receipts there. Great job. So here is where
Speaker 1: I think that Katie loses the plot a bit if
Speaker 1: you like. I don't know where people wanted to have
Speaker 1: Klay Thompson and Draymond Green ranked as far as individual
Speaker 1: players across the league in twenty sixteen, but wherever you
Speaker 1: had them ranked is irrelevant to how for a team
Speaker 1: that was going to have Steph Curry and Kevin Durant,
Speaker 1: they were the absolute perfect third and fourth guys. Clay
Speaker 1: as being one of the three greatest pure shooters in
Speaker 1: the history of the league all of a sudden being
Speaker 1: a guy who was going to get more open shots
Speaker 1: than any other team's third option, plus again pre injury,
Speaker 1: being a spectacular perimeter defender. He might be the number
Speaker 1: one draft pick in the whole league to play that
Speaker 1: exact role, and he was there, and Draymond Green, as
Speaker 1: a guy who was clearly the best defensive player in
Speaker 1: the league at that point plus an offensive hub without
Speaker 1: having to shoot, would have been the number one half
Speaker 1: pick for that role. Comparing that team to this Sixers
Speaker 1: team is of course absurd on its face, and that's
Speaker 1: before we get to the fact that the Warriors had
Speaker 1: just set the all time wins record and beaten Durant
Speaker 1: and had won a title of the year before, and
Speaker 1: the previous two years had won one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: one games. The Sixers had won I think sixty eight
Speaker 1: games total of the previous two years and won one
Speaker 1: playoff series. So that part is of course just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: The closer comp would have been, and there was a
Speaker 1: decent comp it just wasn't ever realistically it was gonna happen,
Speaker 1: would have been if bron joined the Thunder this offseason.
Speaker 1: Because the Thunder won the championship two years prior, they
Speaker 1: could have won the championship this year they lost in
Speaker 1: a hard fought seven game series. Granted a round before.
Speaker 1: Shay is the back to back MVP. They they're you know,
Speaker 1: those that he would be replacing Lou dort in the
Speaker 1: starting lineup the way Durant replaced Harrison Barnes. That would
Speaker 1: have been far more similar, except for the fact that
Speaker 1: Lebron's not twenty eight two years removed from winning league
Speaker 1: MVPs forty one, and Lebron is already a minted four
Speaker 1: time champion with ten finals appearances under his belt. But
Speaker 1: at least that would have been closer. This is, of
Speaker 1: course absurd, but the bigger, more interesting conversation here is twofold.
Speaker 1: First one is this has Katie like Torte and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know the parties involved well enough,
Speaker 1: but has he torched his relationship with everybody there? The
Speaker 1: burner account stuff with Houston he took not and that
Speaker 1: wasn't Burner account that. I don't even know what to
Speaker 1: call it. The leaked DMS. He he took pretty pointed
Speaker 1: shots at Steph and really personal shots at cur So
Speaker 1: that's the coach and the best player. He now is
Speaker 1: minimizing who Klay Thompson was at every point of his
Speaker 1: basketball career and summing up Draymond's value as fourteen, seven
Speaker 1: and six like I don't know. Maybe again I don't know.
Speaker 1: Durant personally. So maybe the folks who do are like, ah,
Speaker 1: that's slam, it's fine, whatever, But that that seemed like
Speaker 1: harsher than it needed to be. And the other and
Speaker 1: this last point is a point I think folks have made.
Speaker 1: But most interesting part is Durance still wants to fight
Speaker 1: this war. He still wants to have this argument. He
Speaker 1: he sorry if you guys hear in the honking outside
Speaker 1: the window. The old alternate side of the street. Parking
Speaker 1: in Manhattan can always be a little hectic around this time.
Speaker 1: He I don't think that. No, I don't think when
Speaker 1: Lebron signed with the Sixers anybody else was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, this reminds me of Katie going to Golden State.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody was trying to relitigate that. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody was like, oh, now there's a comp
Speaker 1: for Katie. To bring it up unprompted and to then
Speaker 1: continue the argument online is a really interesting window into
Speaker 1: how much the criticism of that and the reaction to
Speaker 1: that still sits with him. And I find that fascinating,
Speaker 1: if not a little. I don't want to say sad,
Speaker 1: because that sounds like patronizing, and I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be patronizing again. I know I don't necessarily have this reputation,
Speaker 1: but I really do try to be fair. But it
Speaker 1: is certainly fascinating that this is a war he still
Speaker 1: wants to fight and seems adamant. I don't think he's trolling.
Speaker 1: I think it's something he actually believes, and that is,
Speaker 1: at least to me, very fascinating. All right, let's get
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Speaker 1: Seahawks and Rams, I decided, for the first time in
Speaker 1: years to reactivate my can't I thought of this because
Speaker 1: of the card game, to reactivate my Cameo account. So
Speaker 1: I'm on there if anybody wants to me to do. Evidently,
Speaker 1: what's very big on Cameo is announcing fantasy football draft orders.
Speaker 1: The folks at Cameo told me they're like, if you're
Speaker 1: ever gonna do it, do it in August. People. The
Speaker 1: fantasy football thing's huge there. I was like, okay, you
Speaker 1: know I had done it. Years ago. I didn't turn
Speaker 1: on the notification, so I ended up missing people's alerts
Speaker 1: and I felt badly about it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm out, So I reactivated. Turns out cameo.
Speaker 1: Folks know their business pretty well, because as soon as
Speaker 1: I reactivated first request, I got announcing a fantasy football
Speaker 1: draft order. So I'm gonna so I'm there if anybody
Speaker 1: wants that. I don't know, if you do whatever it is,
Speaker 1: I'm there, all right. So we did NFL tiers again
Speaker 1: yesterday and I on the show and I flipped flopped
Speaker 1: the Seahawks and Rams, and that was a I had this,
Speaker 1: you know, the Rams. I had a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: at the committee. We flip flop the Seahawks and Rams.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks are a top I want to talk to
Speaker 1: Seahawks here for a moment that I want to talk
Speaker 1: about the Rams and Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald, who had
Speaker 1: an official tryout yesterday, Pardon me. I can't remember a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion that had more of a dominant start
Speaker 1: to finish season that brought not everyone, but about as
Speaker 1: many guys as you can bring back, brought them back
Speaker 1: and had less buzz going into the following season than
Speaker 1: this Seattle team the Seahawks last year. Just to kind
Speaker 1: of quickly remind people how it went, they lost Week
Speaker 1: one to San Francisco when Darnold had driven, driven them
Speaker 1: down the field, get them, got them right either on
Speaker 1: the fringe or in the red zone, threw a pick
Speaker 1: game over. They then lost twice the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: One of the crazy Baker comebacks thirty eight thirty five
Speaker 1: to Tampa, the kind of not crazy but very unique
Speaker 1: game against Stafford in the right twenty one to nineteen,
Speaker 1: which was I'm gonna check real quick. Another game it
Speaker 1: felt like, yeah, they missed a field goal at the gun.
Speaker 1: I think it was a super long field goal, but
Speaker 1: missed a field goal at the gun to win that game.
Speaker 1: That's all of their losses. They played in the toughest
Speaker 1: division in the NFL. Or I mean a division where
Speaker 1: three teams won twelve plus games or eleven, yeah, twelve
Speaker 1: plus games. They then in the playoffs annihilated San Francisco,
Speaker 1: annihilated New England, and played the Rams, who were just
Speaker 1: you know, the second best team in the league last year,
Speaker 1: in a great game and beat them by four. They
Speaker 1: had an insane margin of victory. They finished seventeen and three.
Speaker 1: The quarterbacks the same, the coaches the same. Listen, they
Speaker 1: lost a couple defensive pieces, they lost Kenneth Walker, but
Speaker 1: they still have JSN. The defense should still be awesome,
Speaker 1: and there's just no buzz it. Donald had a legit
Speaker 1: phenomenal season four thousand yards, twenty five touchdowns, a ninety
Speaker 1: nine rating. Then in the postseason Donald had five touchdowns,
Speaker 1: no turnovers, a one oh two rating and answered all
Speaker 1: the you know, the questions people had because the previous
Speaker 1: year in Minnesota, Donald was even better in the regular
Speaker 1: season and then was awful at the end of the
Speaker 1: very end of the year, and then in the playoff game,
Speaker 1: people like ah pumpkin mode, And by people, I mean
Speaker 1: I was one of them. And there's just no buzz
Speaker 1: around him. And I think they absolutely Am I gonna
Speaker 1: pick them to win the Super Bowl? Probably not? But
Speaker 1: do I think that they are as well positioned for
Speaker 1: a repeat as any team in recent memory, including my
Speaker 1: beloved Chiefs teams. Yeah, I mean I understand they lost
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator. I do think Kenneth Walker. I think
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker is a bigger addition for Kansas City than
Speaker 1: he has lost for Seattle. But they're they're insanely well positioned,
Speaker 1: and by the way, Vegas hard Rock bet the bookmakers
Speaker 1: agree with me. I just think the commentariat of which
Speaker 1: I'm a part of, doesn't seem to find them that
Speaker 1: sexy of a team, and so they've moved past them
Speaker 1: to what was the team that I thought last year
Speaker 1: was the best team in the league by the end
Speaker 1: of the year, head an end of the playoffs, and
Speaker 1: a team in their own division, and that's the Rams.
Speaker 1: And the Rams obviously this offseason looked at the only
Speaker 1: weakness on their team was pass rush, and I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that's incorrect. The only weakness on their team was past defense,
Speaker 1: secondary most notably, and so they raided the chief secondary
Speaker 1: and got McDuffie and Watson. They then make the Shock
Speaker 1: trade for Miles Garrett and so I totally understand why
Speaker 1: the Rams are like the favorite, why the Rams are
Speaker 1: considered this spectacular team, And I very well may pick
Speaker 1: the Rams to go to the Super Bowl if I
Speaker 1: were to pick Knits. I am going to start on
Speaker 1: the Aaron Donald thing, which I am not as bullish
Speaker 1: on as everyone else, and it is not because I'm like, actually,
Speaker 1: when you look at it, Aaron Donald, wasn't it. Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald has an argument it's not. He has an argument
Speaker 1: that he's the greatest defensive player of all time. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he is, but there's certainly an argument for it.
Speaker 1: The guy played ten years. He was first team All
Speaker 1: Pro eight of the ten. He was the Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year three times and had four more Top
Speaker 1: five Defensive Player of the Year finishes. And his final
Speaker 1: year with the Rams, he was still dominant. Didn't have
Speaker 1: the sack numbers he had early in his career, but
Speaker 1: he's still as a d tackle. Had eight sacks, had
Speaker 1: another sixteen TFLs, was All Pro again, was dominant. With
Speaker 1: that said, his ninth year in the league was the
Speaker 1: one year he dealt with real injury. His tenth year
Speaker 1: in the league, he was a great player, but not
Speaker 1: pete Aaron Donald. And now he has been out of
Speaker 1: football for two years. And while I understand you watch
Speaker 1: him work out and he obviously has stayed in absurd
Speaker 1: physical shape, and there's no denying or debating that, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's quite as simple as all right, come
Speaker 1: to a couple of weeks of camp and you're ready
Speaker 1: to go. Now, some folks have argued, all right, well,
Speaker 1: what if he's just a mid season edition. Now he's
Speaker 1: even further removed from the NFL. So I am I
Speaker 1: am not. First of all, I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: do it. I don't think he's gonna sign come back
Speaker 1: to the NFL. And second of all, if he does,
Speaker 1: I don't think and maybe y'all look like a total
Speaker 1: fool here. He would have the instant impact or the
Speaker 1: overall impact at thirty five years old, two years removed
Speaker 1: from the league that everyone else seems to be penciling
Speaker 1: him in for. So that's the first yeah but with
Speaker 1: the Rams and the only other yeah but with the
Speaker 1: Rams is not a bad but maybe a little shaky
Speaker 1: situation at tackles, which when you have the second oldest
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league who has dealt with some back
Speaker 1: issues over the last few years, that would be the
Speaker 1: ominous element of their season, just the uh, what if
Speaker 1: Stafford gets something happens to him? Now, you can say
Speaker 1: for every team in the league, if the quarterback gets hurt,
Speaker 1: you're in trouble. And Stafford is an absolute warrior when
Speaker 1: it comes playing through injuries. I just think because of age,
Speaker 1: his recent injury concerns, and into their tackle situation, he
Speaker 1: is maybe higher up the injury concern list. And I
Speaker 1: don't think Ty Simpson Ken you know, is a guy
Speaker 1: that it's like, all right, don't worry, you spent our
Speaker 1: first round pick quarterback in the future. That's not how
Speaker 1: I view him. So I I guess the overall gist
Speaker 1: of what I'm saying here is I do think the
Speaker 1: Seahawks are being a little undervalued under disgust, and the
Speaker 1: Rams are bordering on being a little too trendy. With
Speaker 1: all that said, Pooka on the field is awesome, DeVante
Speaker 1: Adams the future Hall of Famer, Stafford's an all time great,
Speaker 1: and they added Miles Garrett, Jalen Watson, and Trent McDuffie.
Speaker 1: They should probably be awesome. I just the Aaron Donald thing.
Speaker 1: I this is bad broadcasting by me. Because I've had
Speaker 1: a month to figure out why I feel this way,
Speaker 1: I still haven't been able to put it to words.
Speaker 1: I'm it just feels off, and I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think A they need him, and B I don't think
Speaker 1: he'd make the impact people think he'd make and see.
Speaker 1: It feels like they're adding a little too much. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. Again, this is bad broadcasting.
Speaker 1: I just have a funny feeling about it. There's my analysis,
Speaker 1: funny feeling about the Aaron Donald thing. All right, quarterback
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Speaker 1: of journalism of the year. Mike Sando has a list
Speaker 1: of fifty executives, coaches people in the NFL not exactly rank,
Speaker 1: but it turns into a ranking of quarterbacks. So what
Speaker 1: he does is has all thirty five quarterbacks who are eligible,
Speaker 1: which are all the starters slash potential starters, but not
Speaker 1: the rookies. He has them bucket them as Tier one, two, three,
Speaker 1: four or five. Then from the bucketing, basically, the lowest
Speaker 1: number is the best. The person who's average is closest
Speaker 1: to one point zero zero will be the number one quarterback.
Speaker 1: It turns into a ranking. If your average is greater
Speaker 1: than one and a half, you become a Tier two quarterback.
Speaker 1: If it's greater than two and a half, you come
Speaker 1: a Tier three quarterback. You guys can follow how that works,
Speaker 1: and it is a very good snapshot of how the
Speaker 1: people who run football teams view the league as a whole.
Speaker 1: And Mahomes for the fourth consecutive year is the number
Speaker 1: one quarterback. Might be the fifth consecutive for Patrick, but
Speaker 1: I know for the fourth consecutive he's the number one quarterback.
Speaker 1: Last year he was tied for number one because he
Speaker 1: was again the best you can do is fifty Tier
Speaker 1: one votes. Last year, Joe Burrow also got fifty Tier
Speaker 1: one votes, so they were both tied for basically a
Speaker 1: perfect score. This year, Patrick got forty nine Tier one
Speaker 1: votes and one Tier two vote. That was still enough
Speaker 1: to keep him at number one, because Alan and Stafford
Speaker 1: both got forty eight Tier one votes and two Tier
Speaker 1: two votes, and so it went the only Tier one
Speaker 1: quarterbacks were those three guys plus Burrow. And then and
Speaker 1: this is where the list gets pretty fascinating. Burrow forty
Speaker 1: six Tier one votes, four Tier two votes, Lamar number five,
Speaker 1: twenty two Tier one votes, twenty eight Tier two votes.
Speaker 1: And so that's where I want to start here for
Speaker 1: a moment, because I I understand some of the tepid skepticism.
Speaker 1: It's not hot lot huge skepticism. Has basically voted the
Speaker 1: fifth best quarterback in the league on this one, which
Speaker 1: is better than Lamar is done in the player polls
Speaker 1: and some of these other the ESPN poll. So I
Speaker 1: understand some of the skepticism about Lamar. I don't understand,
Speaker 1: or I'm not as okay with none of that applying
Speaker 1: to Burrow. So you can the reasons to be worried
Speaker 1: about Lamar, and we've covered him a lot on this pod.
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna do it in long form here,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't run as much as that element of
Speaker 1: his game atrophies, how will that impact his passing efficiency?
Speaker 1: The fact that he's been banged up and missed significant
Speaker 1: time in three of the last five seasons has to
Speaker 1: be noteworthy. Fact that they've missed the playoffs last year
Speaker 1: that has to be at least acknowledged. And he was
Speaker 1: last year a blip after two straight amazing regular seasons
Speaker 1: or was it the beginning of something? And that's before
Speaker 1: we get to his well documented struggles in the postseason.
Speaker 1: All of those are fair reasons to have a level
Speaker 1: of skepticism about Lamar. I don't know why Burrow seems
Speaker 1: immune to that. It's different types of skepticism. But you
Speaker 1: can't consider Lamar an injury risk and not have that
Speaker 1: exact same knock for Burrow. Now, I do think they
Speaker 1: are similar injury risks, and folks might think that's crazy.
Speaker 1: But over the last five years, Lamar Jackson has played
Speaker 1: seventy four games. Joe Burrow has played seventy four games.
Speaker 1: But I and I try to be a little more
Speaker 1: nuanced than purely quarterback wins guy. But I do They're
Speaker 1: going three straight years in the middle of your prime
Speaker 1: and missing the postseason is not nothing. And that's what
Speaker 1: Burrow is in the midst of I understand two of
Speaker 1: those years he missed real time, but three years ago
Speaker 1: when they missed it in the ten games he played,
Speaker 1: they were five and five. Last year when he missed
Speaker 1: it in the eight games they played, they were five
Speaker 1: and three. The year before, when he had the statistical
Speaker 1: the great statistical season of his career, they were nine
Speaker 1: to eight. Now a lot of that is the defense
Speaker 1: has just been awful. I don't think the offensive line
Speaker 1: is great, and he has to deal with that, and
Speaker 1: I don't love Zach Taylor. I obviously think Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: is a great quarterback. But one of the reasons his
Speaker 1: numbers are great is one of the reasons the defense isn't,
Speaker 1: which is they paid Chase, they paid Higgins, they paid him,
Speaker 1: They emphasized and prioritized that side of the ball. And
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I think he can you know,
Speaker 1: gets banged up and the offensive line issues can be
Speaker 1: exacerbated is because of all the excellent quarterbacks in the league,
Speaker 1: he has less less athleticism than all of them except
Speaker 1: for Stafford, Like, if you were to look at the
Speaker 1: fifteen best quarterbacks in football, there's only three guys that
Speaker 1: offer you nothing if the play breaks down and they
Speaker 1: got to go do it with their feet, and he's
Speaker 1: one of them. It's him, Stafford and Golf. So that
Speaker 1: is a fair yeah but with Burrow. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like the league has any yeah butts with him.
Speaker 1: So that jumped out to me. Herbert being number six
Speaker 1: does not surprise me at all. I did think, even
Speaker 1: if I disagree with it, I did think this line
Speaker 1: from the Herbert ride up is a nice little window.
Speaker 1: Six of the eight GMS poled, so seventy five percent
Speaker 1: of the GMS polled had Herbert as Tier one. Only
Speaker 1: thirteen of the other forty two voters had Herbert that high.
Speaker 1: So think about that. GMS love him, the coaches like him.
Speaker 1: That checks out because the toolsiness, the size, the athleticism,
Speaker 1: the arm strength, all of that are traits GM's love.
Speaker 1: While not that coaches don't love those coaches more focused
Speaker 1: a bit on production. I don't have to spend more
Speaker 1: time on the Herbert piece than I've spent the past.
Speaker 1: Like you simply can't. People can blame the coaches. They
Speaker 1: can do all they can make, all these excuses. He
Speaker 1: got Jim Harbaugh, and in the two years under Jim Harbaugh,
Speaker 1: he's played close to forty games, and the absolute worst
Speaker 1: game he's played and the second worst game he's played
Speaker 1: have been the two playoff games. You can all the
Speaker 1: all the folks who claim to be smarter than me
Speaker 1: can explain why that's small sample size on being unfair.
Speaker 1: It's professional sports. You It's It's one thing to drop
Speaker 1: a bit in the postseason. It's one thing to be
Speaker 1: up and down. It's another thing that when you are
Speaker 1: in the prime of your career, with a legitimate coaching staff,
Speaker 1: with again not great weapons but your league average. You know,
Speaker 1: kind of situation for you to play far and away
Speaker 1: the two worst games that you have played to be
Speaker 1: your two playoff games. You just can't. For me, I
Speaker 1: just can't have you above a bunch of the guys
Speaker 1: he's above of. But whatever Drake may came in tied
Speaker 1: for eighth with Jared Goff Simmons. I haven't listened to
Speaker 1: the pod, to be clear yet, to be fair, so
Speaker 1: I don't know the full context of it, but I
Speaker 1: saw the clip of him with Mina, where he had
Speaker 1: Drake fourth and Mina was seemed gobsmacked by it. I
Speaker 1: think Simmons went Alan, Stafford mahomes Drake. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's crazy at all. It's not where I would have
Speaker 1: Drake right now. But if you were to ask me,
Speaker 1: what do I think the top four quarterbacks, you know
Speaker 1: the list would look like if people voted on it
Speaker 1: on upcoming Thanksgiving. Could Drake maybe ahead of Lamar and Burrow?
Speaker 1: And absolutely I have a lot of questions about the
Speaker 1: Pats this year. I have very few questions about Drake
Speaker 1: may so him being eighth year is fine thought. I
Speaker 1: thought Simmons having him forth was not like an outrageous
Speaker 1: take at all. The other things that jumped out to
Speaker 1: me on Sando's pole was Caleb at eleven strikes me
Speaker 1: as a touch low, I am. I'm not surprised that
Speaker 1: he got thirty six Tier two votes. I think Caleb
Speaker 1: is definitionally right now Tier two. And if he had
Speaker 1: gotten you know, I guess if he was just a unit,
Speaker 1: had gotten nothing but Tier two votes, that would have
Speaker 1: put him at two point zero. So that would have
Speaker 1: put him eighth, just a touch ahead of Drake May,
Speaker 1: which is closer to where I have him. I just
Speaker 1: don't think he's I don't think you can have that
Speaker 1: type of special qualities and be a Tier three quarterback. Trevor, Listen,
Speaker 1: we don't have to spend too much time on it. Trevor.
Speaker 1: Being number sixteen is too low in my opinion, and
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is fascinating. Jalen Hurts the court, he got
Speaker 1: exactly as many Tier on Tier two as Tier three
Speaker 1: votes it I thought, by the way, that at two
Speaker 1: points so his average was two point five, which Sando
Speaker 1: made Tier two. I thought historically zero point five or
Speaker 1: higher put you in the following tiers, which would make
Speaker 1: him Tier three. But he's right on the cusp and
Speaker 1: what is really fascinating, and I would have him as
Speaker 1: Tier two by the way, I actually think seventeen is
Speaker 1: too low for Jalen. One of the fascinating things about
Speaker 1: Chialing Hurts is when he is discussed, and I might
Speaker 1: be guilty of this to a degree as well. It's
Speaker 1: not he is discussed as if the only thing he
Speaker 1: has going for him is that the team wins, as
Speaker 1: opposed to the fact that a few years ago he
Speaker 1: finished second in the MVP of race when he when
Speaker 1: they went fourteen and one. I'm trying to pull up
Speaker 1: what he's exactly. He's still that year only at twenty
Speaker 1: two touchdowns, but a rushing touchdown or passing touchdowns. Pardon me,
Speaker 1: but he has had one truly spectacular statistical regular season,
Speaker 1: and that gets maybe because he was way back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, gets thrown out. He's obviously been good
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowls or very good in the Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: and the league as a whole just doesn't full on
Speaker 1: believe in him. Nothing else past Jalen you know, shocked me.
Speaker 1: The you know, bo Nicks is I think a polarizing player.
Speaker 1: He got one Tier one vote, Wow, good for him,
Speaker 1: twenty eight Tier three votes, twenty one Tier two votes.
Speaker 1: So he's the highest ranked Tier three guy. And then
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of guys. You have huge questions about
Speaker 1: Rogers Stroud, Daniel Jones, Bryce Young. It one other big
Speaker 1: picture thought on this, We've got if Trevor Lawrence is
Speaker 1: sixteen and Jalen Hurts is seventeen, more than half of
Speaker 1: the league feels really really good about their quarterback situation. Now,
Speaker 1: after that, you know about a third of the league
Speaker 1: is feels terrible about it, but there isn't really right
Speaker 1: now a big quarterback middle class. It feels to me
Speaker 1: like they're superstars. And then a long list of guys
Speaker 1: whose fans believe can be a superstar or will be
Speaker 1: a superstar or is a superstar. And then a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys who even their own fans are like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm nervous, or they're super young. Not a
Speaker 1: lot of guys that you're like, no, it's solid, feel okay,
Speaker 1: And it's just a big drop off from the Darnald
Speaker 1: Trevor Jalen fifteen sixteen seventeen to the next group of
Speaker 1: guys of Nix, Roger Stroud, DJ, Bryce Young, Kyler again,
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart is a little bit an asterisk, is so young,
Speaker 1: same with cam Ward. But I love this from Sando.
Speaker 1: I think Sando does a great job with it, and
Speaker 1: I think it is as much as I think, you know,
Speaker 1: Mahomes Mountain should be the definitive quarterback ranking tool. I
Speaker 1: think this gives you the fairest snapshot of how the
Speaker 1: league views these guys. Also, Jay Flowers got about fifteen
Speaker 1: million more per year than I would have been comfortable
Speaker 1: paying him. I don't. I don't understand that contract at all.
Speaker 1: I don't. Baltimore's a smart organization, thirty five millionaire with
Speaker 1: one hundred million guaranteed for Jay Flowers, who I don't
Speaker 1: think is one of the fifteen best receivers in football.
Speaker 1: Is stunning to me. Good show playing for you guys tomorrow,
Speaker 1: see you guys then what's right. Thank you.