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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: We're about to be joined by Mark Morgan. He's the

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Speaker 1: former Acting Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection. On Title

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Speaker 1: Appreciate him joining us now to talk about this situation

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Speaker 1: on the border. And I want to start with this, Mark,

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Speaker 1: When you see that we are spending billions of dollars

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Speaker 1: to protect the Ukrainian border, including a total now of

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Speaker 1: one hundred billion dollars for Ukraine, what would it cost,

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Speaker 1: in your mind for the United States southern border to

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Speaker 1: be as secure as possible? How much would our government

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Speaker 1: have to commit in order to make that possible? Less

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Speaker 1: than that play, I can tell you right right. What's

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Speaker 1: also frustrating, tune to be right now. In the current

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Speaker 1: version of the Omnibus, the spending bill that the Senate

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Speaker 1: is trying to push forward, there's actually a language in

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Speaker 1: there that actually gives funding United States gives funding to

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Speaker 1: other countries to quote secure their borders. Yet and yet

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Speaker 1: represented Bishop. He did a line item search and he

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Speaker 1: found out that in this current bill that billions of

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Speaker 1: dollars that they're giving to DHS specifically in the bill

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Speaker 1: says they're forbidden to use it, quote for border security.

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Speaker 1: They can only use the money for processing. They finally

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Speaker 1: set out loud and put in black and white what

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Speaker 1: we've been saying for over two obs two years. They

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Speaker 1: don't care about border security. They don't care about the

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Speaker 1: downstream negative effects to America. All they care about is

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Speaker 1: getting money down there to be to get better at

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Speaker 1: processing and releasing illegal aliens into the country because at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, they see perceived political benefit

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Speaker 1: from what they're doing. They don't care that they're unsecured

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Speaker 1: in our border. Okay, so a lot of people out there,

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Speaker 1: there's so many different move parts of inaptitude in the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration right now. Frankly, it's kind of hard to

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Speaker 1: keep up with all of it. So you are an

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Speaker 1: expert on this. Title forty two is currently held up

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Speaker 1: at the United States Supreme Court. It's unclear whether it

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Speaker 1: is going to be repealed ceased to exist effectively, What

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Speaker 1: is Title forty two for our audience out there that

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Speaker 1: may not be able to keep on tap of all

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Speaker 1: these details. And what would what would the immediate impact

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Speaker 1: be of Title forty two effectively ceasing to exist at

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Speaker 1: our border. Yeah, so those are two very important questions.

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Speaker 1: So what is Title forty two? Real quick that this

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Speaker 1: was a law that was enacted in the forties, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's a public health order. It's not an immigration tool.

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Speaker 1: And that's very clear. Under the Trump administration, we resurrected

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Speaker 1: that nineteen forty law that was in place during a

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Speaker 1: global pandemic called COVID nineteen. And what that allowed immigration

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Speaker 1: law enforcement officials to do is, rather than apprehend and

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Speaker 1: release individuals into the country to further reduce and introduce

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Speaker 1: the spread of COVID nineteen into our country from outside

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Speaker 1: our borders, we use that to actually not allow illegal

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Speaker 1: And in my opinion, by doing so, it saved countless

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Speaker 1: Here's what's going to happen is real quick, and I

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Speaker 1: a tsunami of illegal aliens. No, that's a lie. That's false.

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Speaker 1: We're already in the tsunami. We're already in the middle

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Speaker 1: Number of people that are crossing right now compared to

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Speaker 1: what you have seen in your life of knowledge dealing

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Speaker 1: with the border, how would you classify it now? This

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Speaker 1: is another critically important question for comparison, and I'll give

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Speaker 1: you an example. So Secretary of J. Johnson, Remember he

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Speaker 1: He said that a thousand a day is a crisis,

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Speaker 1: that a thousand a day is a bad day. When

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Speaker 1: below a thousand a day. Now, look that's still not good,

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Speaker 1: but just as a consparison, we had it below a

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Speaker 1: it's unsustainable. Every aspect of our resources are overwhelmed. You

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Speaker 1: has operational control over the cartels, and what's happening. They're

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Speaker 1: the crisis isn't going to be again when it ends,

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Speaker 1: it's just going to make it worse. Mark Morgan, former

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Speaker 1: We know that there's tons of fent and all coming

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Speaker 1: actually managing to cover this. That the cartel is making

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Speaker 1: thirteen billion, that's billion with a b thirteen billion dollars

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Speaker 1: put that into context, that's more than any American pro

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Speaker 1: How powerful is the cartel right now and how much

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Speaker 1: in your experience have they taken over not just drug smuggling,

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Speaker 1: but also persons smuggling people into this country. Looky, look,

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Speaker 1: very well versed in that. So first of all, you're

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Speaker 1: exactly right. Thirteen billion in some cases that's more more

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Speaker 1: a greater GDP than some countries. And I think to

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Speaker 1: that's from two thousand and eighteen, just the smuggling, not drugs,

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Speaker 1: as you said, just the smuggling. It went from a

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Speaker 1: and most of that has happened in past two years.

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Speaker 1: So that's and we haven't talked about the billions they

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Speaker 1: It's that the cartels they do it all right, so sore.

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Speaker 1: They're a multilayered, multi faceted criminal organization. I keep saying

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Speaker 1: the cartels the most powerful criminal organization in the world.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's it's not just smuggling, but smuggling its drugge.

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Speaker 1: It's anything that they could do to make a profit.

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Speaker 1: They don't care about the devastation that causes the individuals

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Speaker 1: their bank accounts have grown, but not just their bank accounts,

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Speaker 1: so has their power influenced and reached. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people think of just in Mexico, that's just not true. There.

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Speaker 1: They're every state in this country. There, their reach goes

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent behind us. And that's why Governor Abbott,

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Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent behind him when he declared that

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Speaker 1: by that, through the constitutional clause Clay, he has declared

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Speaker 1: traditionally when we've talked about illegal immigration, it's been people

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Speaker 1: You can correct me if I'm wrong, but it basically

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Speaker 1: southern border. Play you're one percent right, And this is

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Speaker 1: another very important element because sometimes people like to do

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Speaker 1: comparison back in the late nineties and two thousand with

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Speaker 1: back in the late ninetes and two thousand, almost one

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Speaker 1: early on, right, But there's been a change is and

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Speaker 1: that and those guys, by the way that, Sorry to

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Speaker 1: those guys might travel to the United States to work,

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Speaker 1: but they still kind of thought of themselves as primarily

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Speaker 1: If you're coming from somewhere far around the world, you're

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Speaker 1: not coming here for seasonal work, and you're certainly not

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Speaker 1: returning back across the southern border. That's a seismic change

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Speaker 1: in terms of border security in general. Right, Absolutely, seizemic changes,

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Speaker 1: that's the right adjective. So again, late nineties two thousand,

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Speaker 1: it was almost one hundred percent Mexican single adults. As

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Speaker 1: just a footstomp everything you said. The last two years,

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Speaker 1: those individuals the fullest extent of the law. You know

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Speaker 1: what Democrats did. They raised money to bail out anyone

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Speaker 1: who was arrested for committing an act of violence during

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Speaker 1: that summer of rioting. That's what they did. That happened

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Speaker 1: everywhere all over this country, massive unbelievable amounts of damage.

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Speaker 1: Many of your communities, many of your states. You felt

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Speaker 1: the impact of that. Democrats pretty much pretended never happened

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Speaker 1: January sixth, which was a riot, admittedly, but was mostly

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Speaker 1: made up of people who wanted to take pictures of

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Speaker 1: themselves inside the United States Capital. They are trying to

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Speaker 1: argue was worse than the Civil War. That's what Karine

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Speaker 1: Jean Pierre, not worse, the worst thing that's happened since

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Speaker 1: the Civil War in this country. It's such a flagrant

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Speaker 1: absurdity that it boggles the mind with that anyone with

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Speaker 1: a functional brain could make that argument, much less make

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Speaker 1: United States in the White House, as Karine Jean Pierre did.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Also, frankly, not very aware of what actually

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Speaker 1: went on in the Civil War, by the way, because

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Speaker 1: the Civil War, six hundred thousand people ended up giving

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Speaker 1: their lives in that Civil War, and if you go

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Speaker 1: back and study it, one of the most fascinating legal

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Speaker 1: questions at the time was whether or not and I

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Speaker 1: know Karine Jean Pierre probably hasn't read a history book

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Speaker 1: in her life, but whether or not secession was legal

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Speaker 1: was a legitimate question. Did you know Jefferson Davis was

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Speaker 1: a senator at the time from Mississippi. He was hoping

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Speaker 1: that he was going to be arrested before he left Washington, DC,

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Speaker 1: because it was his direct belief that secession was legal

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Speaker 1: under the United States Constitution. And that the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: would rule at the time that the Southern States had

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Speaker 1: the right to withdraw from the United States. I've told

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Speaker 1: you before, you want to get a great gift if

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Speaker 1: you have anyone out there that is a history buff.

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Speaker 1: You got a dad or mom who's retiring and you

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Speaker 1: are at all interested in the Civil War. Shelby Foot's

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Speaker 1: Civil War a narrative, three volumes. It'll take you a

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Speaker 1: long time to read. One of the best history trilogies

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Speaker 1: that has ever been written. Period. It opens, to the

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Speaker 1: best of my recollection, with Jefferson Davis in our nation's

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Speaker 1: capital in the United States Senate Chamber as he is

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Speaker 1: resigning his Senate seat and leaving because his home state

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Speaker 1: of Mississippi had seceded. He is at that exact moment

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Speaker 1: hoping that he is going to be arrested because he

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Speaker 1: wants to find out whether or not it is constitutional

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Speaker 1: to secede. It's fascinating question for those of us who

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Speaker 1: are lawyers like me and study legal history. So all

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Speaker 1: of this is really interesting if you study history, the nuances,

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Speaker 1: the complexities, the different moving parts of history. That's why

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Speaker 1: I majored in history. Is an undergrad there's a different

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Speaker 1: world where I really thought about going out and getting

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Speaker 1: my PhD in teaching history for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 1: I did my undergrad thesis at George Washington University on

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Speaker 1: the Civil War decision of Roberty Lee not to embrace

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Speaker 1: total war, in other words, not to burn down any

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Speaker 1: Union civilian possessions, Northern possessions during his invasion of Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty three that culminated in Gettysburg. Remember Sherman

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Speaker 1: embraced total war in his March to the Sea after

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Speaker 1: he took Atlanta, and that helped to end the war

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Speaker 1: by attacking the essence of the southern community. It's what

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Speaker 1: total war basically started. Is gonna make Georgia Howe well.

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Speaker 1: Robert E. Lee said no, no, no, We're not going

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Speaker 1: to do any damage to civilian property. Fact, only one

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Speaker 1: northern town was burned during the Civil War, Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that just across the border.

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Speaker 1: May have people listening in Chambersburg right now. I still

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Speaker 1: think this is a really good book project. So I

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Speaker 1: went and looked at the data of how Chambersburg, Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: voted in eighteen sixty when Abraham Lincoln was elected, and

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Speaker 1: then I compared it how they voted in eighteen sixty

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Speaker 1: four after that city burned down, because there was a

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Speaker 1: big debate if you attacked civilian cities, did that make

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Speaker 1: them more or less likely to support continuing the war.

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Speaker 1: Data reflected at least Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, that Robert E. Lee

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Speaker 1: might have been wrong that if the Southern troops had

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Speaker 1: actually burned down a lot of cities in the North,

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Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln wouldn't have been reelected in eighteen sixty four.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, for all of you out there

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Speaker 1: who here, oh, our democracies in danger, and this is

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Speaker 1: the most important election of our lives. Do you know?

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Speaker 1: We managed to have an election in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the Civil War. And the man that Abraham Lincoln was

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Speaker 1: running against, George Brenton McClellan, formerly the leader of the

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Speaker 1: Northern Army, was a Democrat. By the way, he favored

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Speaker 1: allowing the South basically to have its independence. So we

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Speaker 1: had whether or not we would remain a united nation

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Speaker 1: on the ballot in eighteen sixty four, and also in

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty four, we had whether or not we would

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Speaker 1: continue to fight the Nazis on the ballot. Twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four is important, twenty twenty is important. Every election is important.

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Speaker 1: But we manage to have elections during the Civil War

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Speaker 1: and during World War Two. So I think maybe we

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Speaker 1: Our democracy is in danger, and certainly the idiocy of

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Speaker 1: Karine Jean Pierre saying January sixth is the worst attack

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Speaker 1: on our democracy since the Civil War is just a

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Speaker 1: flat out lie, and anyone who embraces it, frankly, is

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Speaker 1: was mentioning Shelby Foote's Civil War a narrative if you

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Speaker 1: he's finished for this year. I'm gonna be with his

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Speaker 1: family now for the holidays. I'll be with you Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

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Speaker 1: leading into Christmas. I basically wear shorts and a T

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Speaker 1: I fit in pretty well down here. But Civil War

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Speaker 1: and Narrative by Shelby Foote tremendous. If you don't know

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Speaker 1: much about the Civil War and you're thinking, hey, I

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Speaker 1: want to learn as much as I possibly can about

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Speaker 1: the Civil War. That is absolutely phenomenal. We also have

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Speaker 1: a book page Ali's telling me recommendation page at Clay

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Speaker 1: talking about books that we liked, books that we're reading.

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Speaker 1: You can go check that out if you want to

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Speaker 1: see these. But I'm gonna give you three different long

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Speaker 1: form trilogy history to read. Civil War and Narratives Alby

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Speaker 1: Foote phenomenal. Cannot go wrong if you don't know anything

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Speaker 1: about the Civil War and you think that you should

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Speaker 1: go read it. Taylor Branch History of the Civil Rights

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Speaker 1: Movement in America, absolutely phenomenal. And also, and this is

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Speaker 1: incredibly in depth, probably the best biography that I have

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Speaker 1: ever read. Again, incredibly in depth. Robert Carow, he's still

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Speaker 1: working on it. His Lyndon Johnson works are incredible. Those

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Speaker 1: three best history books. Now, it's not a solitary book.

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Speaker 1: It is an investment in time. But I feel like

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Speaker 1: if you read those, it's such a great snapshot of

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Speaker 1: the eras, in particular Shelby Foote, because I believe the

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Speaker 1: Civil War is the most important aspect of our history,

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Speaker 1: and we continue to grapple with many of the historical

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Speaker 1: relevancies and questions that era today. Certainly as we're deciding, oh,

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Speaker 1: should we tear down statues, monuments, everything else, of course

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Speaker 1: not the answer for anyone with any historical perspective, because

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Speaker 1: as great as you may think that your opinions are today,

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Speaker 1: a hundred years from now, what history teaches us is

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Speaker 1: that all of us will look like imbeciles because we

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Speaker 1: all believe things that are going to be proven wrong

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Speaker 1: in the future. That's just the way the world works.

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Speaker 1: We never are at the end of our understanding of

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Speaker 1: the world, and so all of us throughout history believe

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Speaker 1: things that are ultimately proven to be frankly idiotic. A

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Speaker 1: lot of brilliant people back in the day used to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: all your blade. Final hour. Next