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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys have now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. Well, it is not high noon on
Speaker 1: a Thursday here at the Star in Frisco. It is
Speaker 1: in Rocky Mountain time, but not in Central Time zone.
Speaker 1: We're inside the SWBC podcast studio and we miss on
Speaker 1: President's Day on Monday. And Mickey's excited about his Missouri Tigers,
Speaker 1: Everson's black and gold banks about his Grambling Tigers. I'm
Speaker 1: not excited about my Oklahoma Sooners, but we are excited
Speaker 1: about the NFL off season which continues now. I thought
Speaker 1: maybe you were gonna talk about Missouri women's gymnastics. Oh
Speaker 1: did they do something? I happened to run across the
Speaker 1: mead on TV? These girls are they were playing Auburn
Speaker 1: or how whatever the match was against Auburn. Do you
Speaker 1: play them in gymnastic competed? Yeah, I mean I'm trying
Speaker 1: to move along. What these what these young ladies were
Speaker 1: doing from both teams? Yeah, it's unbelievable. It's crazy, man,
Speaker 1: I can't believe in human bodies can can do the
Speaker 1: things they were they were they were like doing during
Speaker 1: their floor exercises and they're running full speed, jumping up
Speaker 1: in the air and doing double forward roles and landing
Speaker 1: on their feet. How do you get up that high?
Speaker 1: It's like watching it's like going to Beal Street on steroids.
Speaker 1: It's unreal. And I and I must admit, you know,
Speaker 1: I watched the Olympics, but I hadn't watched the College.
Speaker 1: I mean you to cover that. That's where unbelievable. They
Speaker 1: come from the college and they beat Auburn too, by
Speaker 1: the bag. All right, So there it is your gymnastics reports,
Speaker 1: just the lead off the show. Yeah. Well, it's been
Speaker 1: a while since president each other in the week man, right,
Speaker 1: I mean the last time we saw each other. And
Speaker 1: I don't remember if even if Everson was here, I
Speaker 1: was not Monday after the super Bowl was not here
Speaker 1: until they at this pace. This off season is going
Speaker 1: so fast it'll be training camp before you got too
Speaker 1: much shows and there would be well, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know the the you know, the franchise tag open this
Speaker 1: week on Tuesday, and for two weeks, so that's already
Speaker 1: taken place. Yeah, and no franchise tag has been administered now,
Speaker 1: not in how many days to three days later? I
Speaker 1: told someone this morning, it'll go right down to the wire. Well, obviously,
Speaker 1: negotiate until they need to make that decision until they
Speaker 1: have to, because they would like to whoever they think
Speaker 1: that they would tag, will try to negotiate a long
Speaker 1: term deal. You don't want to tag anybody. It costs
Speaker 1: too much from a cap standpoint. And then you've got,
Speaker 1: you know, for the Cowboys, several candidates that you know,
Speaker 1: you would say, Okay, I could tag him, I can't
Speaker 1: number one spas. Who would that be? Well to me? Um?
Speaker 1: I mean everybody's talking about here? So whatever from the
Speaker 1: oh no, my decision, okay, right, I would rather not
Speaker 1: tag Tony Pollard if I don't have to, to reserve
Speaker 1: my right of first refusal. Uh. And if not, even
Speaker 1: if I do, I still want to use that time
Speaker 1: period to sign him to a multiple year deal. Um My,
Speaker 1: my reservations on him, and I don't know if anybody
Speaker 1: else has reservations is if I'm paying him ten million
Speaker 1: dollars on a guaranteed franchise tag. He's got to be
Speaker 1: my number one back. He's got to carry the ball
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five times a game. He hadn't done that
Speaker 1: yet in his career. And I have to carry the
Speaker 1: ball twenty to twenty five touches right with him, but
Speaker 1: he hadn't done that. Um. And then the other part
Speaker 1: of this is who's going to sign him to something
Speaker 1: when he's limping the wrong trying to recover from surgery.
Speaker 1: That was always concerning, right, but if he's not the
Speaker 1: same guy, and that puts us in the quandary. So
Speaker 1: it's hard to do a long term deal on that.
Speaker 1: So I guess the safer thing is the franchise tag.
Speaker 1: But it's still ten million dollars. And if I give
Speaker 1: him ten million dollars, then what am I doing with Zeke?
Speaker 1: That's my point. And there's this assumption all around that
Speaker 1: he's gonna get cut. Okay, fine, who's replacing his twelve touchdowns?
Speaker 1: Who's replacing the short yardage things and all the dirty
Speaker 1: stuff that he does? Mcgovernor, he's a free agent. We
Speaker 1: just lost out full back all right before we moved
Speaker 1: to Zeke? Yes, okay on the Pollard one okay, Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it takes two to tangle, even on a franchise tag too,
Speaker 1: because there's no guarantee he's going to sign it, you know,
Speaker 1: and he would wait. So if you if you were
Speaker 1: to use it as a placeholder, well you figured out
Speaker 1: where he is health wise, where he figures out too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what their strategy will be
Speaker 1: on their end, depending on where he is health wise.
Speaker 1: If Cowboy put the tag on him, and will he
Speaker 1: sign it immediately or will he let it play out
Speaker 1: on his end? Well, I'll tell you if I was
Speaker 1: his agent, I'd sign it to media. I think I
Speaker 1: would too, well, simply because he's a little bit compromised, yes,
Speaker 1: with himself. They don't know that, and he he's not
Speaker 1: coming from a position of strength right now, and the
Speaker 1: agent has to know what the rest of the lead thinks,
Speaker 1: right like as anybody else interested. Even to the point
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get the tag and he goes into
Speaker 1: free agency, what is somebody going to give a guy
Speaker 1: that had a fancy repair on his um on the
Speaker 1: two bones he broke h and then did a surgery
Speaker 1: to repair the ligaments in that ankle. So what because
Speaker 1: if you played it out through the offseason and you know,
Speaker 1: the free agency starts whatever, and he has it signed
Speaker 1: that franchise tag and of course this is all just
Speaker 1: speculation here. And then you even get to the draft,
Speaker 1: and okay, then what if the Cowboys drafted a running back?
Speaker 1: So um it would I think behoove the player to
Speaker 1: go ahead and sign the right tender and and and
Speaker 1: even if he signs it, you can still negotiate because
Speaker 1: they can because the point is they can pull that. Yes,
Speaker 1: if if he doesn't sign it, well, no doctors in
Speaker 1: this room, but we we've heard of a lot of speculation.
Speaker 1: How tough is it to come back from the injuries
Speaker 1: that he has? I mean, what's the history on that?
Speaker 1: You know? Is it something that's uh like a tip
Speaker 1: fib We're just talking, you know, something that can be
Speaker 1: fixed without such rods being put in your you know,
Speaker 1: like like the iron rods being played. Yeah, because they did.
Speaker 1: They did a fancy repair on the two bones that
Speaker 1: it was called a spiral doesn't have My thing is
Speaker 1: what doesn't have what's the precedence on it? I mean
Speaker 1: the surgery on his ankle was was significant because it
Speaker 1: was a ligament. The bones will heal right? Six weeks
Speaker 1: or so. But again, is he the same guy? Right?
Speaker 1: And speed was his deal? Does he still have it?
Speaker 1: And there's no way to test it? Um? It was
Speaker 1: just not the semantics, but it's more the quickness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the burst that he had when he called upon it, right.
Speaker 1: You know, speed is of course one thing, but that
Speaker 1: quickness and that burst through there, it's got to be
Speaker 1: You don't want it to be affected, but you wonder
Speaker 1: how much it's going to be affected by the surgery.
Speaker 1: And you've got other guys that if you didn't get
Speaker 1: a deal done, do you use the tag on them instead?
Speaker 1: Like if you use the tag on Schultz a second time?
Speaker 1: The next guy? That's fourteen million guaranteed um, And what's
Speaker 1: what's the market value for him out there? You know?
Speaker 1: Is it? Is he going to sign a multiple year
Speaker 1: deal that equals fourteen million a year? That's forty two
Speaker 1: forty five million over three years. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's the tight end that Kelsey is
Speaker 1: or Kittle or the guys that are making based on
Speaker 1: the based on the new offensive coordinator. Does he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like to look at all of these things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is he tight end friendly? In his offense. Well, you
Speaker 1: got to ask. You're talking about McCarthy. Yeah, he's basically
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. No, no, they got there. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know they got a name, Brian Shot. Now see that.
Speaker 1: I knew he was a good company man. See McCarthy
Speaker 1: told you that, didn't he. I hadn't talked to McCarthy
Speaker 1: in four weeks. He started, I'm assuming if he's calling plays,
Speaker 1: but is he not going to be Oh no, he's
Speaker 1: calling plays. Bill, Do you agree with this though? That's
Speaker 1: my understanding. He's calling plays? Why bringing? Why bringing the NEWFC?
Speaker 1: We saw those unnecessarily coaches we saw on the picture
Speaker 1: out there? Can we just like not having no se
Speaker 1: Then if he's calling plays, it's a title? Why why
Speaker 1: you need a title? If I'm calling plays? Well, Bill
Speaker 1: Parcels had an offensive coordinator. He was calling plays, and
Speaker 1: if you remember what his deal was if if if
Speaker 1: am I'm using the players, I'm shopping for the goods, right,
Speaker 1: if I'm cooking the meal. I would imagine if I'm
Speaker 1: calling plays, I'm kind of designing the offense. I'm not
Speaker 1: letting you this conversation as the season goes. Alright, we'll
Speaker 1: see you like that. Well, I mean, why did you
Speaker 1: think Bill Parcels had a heads I mean Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: had a headset on and the playsheet in his hand
Speaker 1: on game day. It looks good, yeah, right, like he's
Speaker 1: in charge, you know. So I mean what if he
Speaker 1: had a clipboard? Didn't make him look more major? Even better?
Speaker 1: Plus who knows, maybe Kellen Moore wanted out. I mean
Speaker 1: he got hired the next day, didn't he. Oh he
Speaker 1: knew something right, There's no doubt he knew something right.
Speaker 1: And it was called quote unquote mutual. Uh. And now
Speaker 1: he's someplace where he is the offensive coordinator because the
Speaker 1: head coach is a defensive guy at the Chargers, right, yes,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't have this guy sitting there. I mean,
Speaker 1: why do you think it took so long for Eric
Speaker 1: Bienemy to get a job as offensive coordinators? It was
Speaker 1: offensive coordinate and yeah he got something. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: totally a lateral move, right, but there was a reasoning
Speaker 1: because they knew Andy Reid was running that offense. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that. You know, they hired Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 1: and he's going to come in and revamp the entire offense.
Speaker 1: I like the style. Yeah, pretty good style of offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they weren't always totally successful, didn't have good players.
Speaker 1: But again, how many offenses are totally successful? Well, I
Speaker 1: guess if you win the Super Bowl, you're successful because
Speaker 1: if you you know what, if you look at the
Speaker 1: some of the stats this offense put up, they were
Speaker 1: pretty good except for one game, right, the playoff game
Speaker 1: and that and one stat that colored colored everything. And
Speaker 1: yet yeah, and the offense hurts maybe one that that
Speaker 1: one stat and they cost the game. Offensive coordinator responsible
Speaker 1: for interceptions. I don't know, offensive coordinator. I could you
Speaker 1: could say, you could say that they have a hand in.
Speaker 1: It depends on if you put your quarterback or your
Speaker 1: offense in certain situations unnecessarily. Yeah, yeah, they are part
Speaker 1: of the plan. They put them in situations unnecessarily by
Speaker 1: not having another wide receiver that they could count on.
Speaker 1: I looked. I looked. They had a stat of the
Speaker 1: number one the top ten UH wide receiver combinations in
Speaker 1: the league. Very good combination. You know what? Mickey did
Speaker 1: not sound like a company man just now. Now now
Speaker 1: he's talking to trash, right, because I'm asking the questions.
Speaker 1: I can dig deep down off in there. He just
Speaker 1: doesn't read enough. I see, I'm getting information from you.
Speaker 1: I don't need to read you. No, I mean read
Speaker 1: what I write. Oh, that's very true. I do not
Speaker 1: see that. There's your downfall. You would get educated sometimes
Speaker 1: when I come in here and talk about something you've
Speaker 1: already said. I wrote that in my story today, Right,
Speaker 1: what's some patricole anyway? So going back to this offense, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were They were pretty good. They just didn't perform
Speaker 1: well in a playoff game. And you know what, the
Speaker 1: team that won didn't perform that off that well either.
Speaker 1: And once again, it's about moments. We can say all
Speaker 1: we want. You want to have the team you want
Speaker 1: to have. The players are going to keep in position
Speaker 1: so that when that moment comes, you can capitalize, capitalize
Speaker 1: on it because you've practiced it, you've been there, you
Speaker 1: anticipated it. And there's a lot more that goes into
Speaker 1: that offense. Right, how well did the offensive line play?
Speaker 1: And is there a reason why they switched out offensive
Speaker 1: line coaches? Okay, you started on Zeke a second ago, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I got you back on Pollard. Sorry, so
Speaker 1: do you want to continue on ze Yeah? Because everybody
Speaker 1: talks about Mishot coming. Yeah, granting, everybody talks about that.
Speaker 1: He's got a ten point nine million dollars base salary. Now,
Speaker 1: what they don't tell you is that if they just
Speaker 1: outright cut them, not June first, cut them, it's eleven
Speaker 1: point eight six million in dead money, all right due
Speaker 1: now do now the day you cut him. Now if
Speaker 1: you if you say he's a June one release, uh,
Speaker 1: then it's five point eight million this year and six
Speaker 1: million next year. So there's a penalty to pay for
Speaker 1: not having him, other than not having his twelve rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: By the way, and we talked about that, like seven
Speaker 1: of them were one yard runs. What it did to
Speaker 1: his average his average per carry would have raised from
Speaker 1: three point eight to three point eight five. Oh yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he didn't. He also didn't count all the third
Speaker 1: and ones he picked up as not that were touchdowns, right,
Speaker 1: because he was at a pretty high rate there. Let's
Speaker 1: be real, we don't have that guy if Zeke leaves, right,
Speaker 1: because you're drafted because Davis was Davis a bug eighty five? Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's he's got that same style that
Speaker 1: Polot has. But we don't need two polots back there, right,
Speaker 1: we need we need a headbanger, and you saw him
Speaker 1: come in a lot of times in passing situations because
Speaker 1: they knew he could pick up the blitz or the
Speaker 1: loose guy, which Malik Davis missed we talked about in
Speaker 1: that game. So then, what's what is your suggestion on
Speaker 1: what to do with the Zeke ze Elliott. My suggestion
Speaker 1: is they do something similar to what they did with
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, when Lawrence had like a seventeen eighteen million
Speaker 1: dollars base salary and they basically said, Okay, here's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. You're out of guarantees. Zeke's out of guarantees, right,
Speaker 1: we're going to sign you. And what they did with
Speaker 1: Lawrence they signed him to a three year deal guaranteed
Speaker 1: him thirty million, but they were able to spread it
Speaker 1: out over four years on that deal with a phony
Speaker 1: void at the end, and then it brought his average
Speaker 1: down to ten million. So with Zeke, if he's supposed
Speaker 1: to make eleven million, all right, we'll just say, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna guarantee you eight million over two years. Will
Speaker 1: you take it? Because you don't have any more guarantees
Speaker 1: and if if I'm an aging running back and I
Speaker 1: get rather than an aging journalist, that's right, because I
Speaker 1: don't have any guaranteed money either. By the way, my
Speaker 1: bargaining power is not that high. His guide's got to
Speaker 1: know what market value is out there? Right? Can you
Speaker 1: get a better deal somewhere else? So what can they
Speaker 1: do with his cap number? Well, the cap number? Do
Speaker 1: with his cap number? If let's say they he was
Speaker 1: agreeable to what you're suggesting the cap number? Can you
Speaker 1: get his cap number? Two? Is like and it's like
Speaker 1: I want to, I don't have it exactly. It's like
Speaker 1: ten point nine plus the five point eight. So it's
Speaker 1: like sixteen seventeen million, sixteen point seven two million right now.
Speaker 1: And that's because of restructure bonus and signing bonus. Right,
Speaker 1: you still got account for that because you already paid
Speaker 1: that money, so that doesn't go away. So maybe if
Speaker 1: you signed him to a guaranteed four million dollar deal
Speaker 1: with incentives that he didn't earn the year before, then
Speaker 1: you can reduce it to about nine million dollars. Okay,
Speaker 1: So and what would he see this year? You said, Well,
Speaker 1: you would give him you would give him a signing
Speaker 1: bonus or it would be guaranteed, so either in base
Speaker 1: salaries over the next couple of years, or you pay
Speaker 1: him a signing bonus and reduce the base salary to
Speaker 1: one point five millions something like. So you're looking at
Speaker 1: how much in his pocket? I think that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Money in my pocket. I think at that point in
Speaker 1: his career is more important than the big picture. That's
Speaker 1: not guaranteed. Now you want to bet on yourself, Okay,
Speaker 1: go do it. So you then just lowered his cap
Speaker 1: hit from sixteen point seven million to around can I
Speaker 1: get it to nine or ten nine and a half million,
Speaker 1: let's say. So, now that leaves you with Pollard, right, okay,
Speaker 1: and what as far as a franchise tag on the
Speaker 1: running back. The franchise tag on a running back or
Speaker 1: for him is ten point one million. Okay, So now
Speaker 1: you are paying roughly twenty million dollars for your two
Speaker 1: running backs. It's complicated. But if okay, you let Zeke go,
Speaker 1: and as you said, if you made him a June
Speaker 1: first cut, he's still five point eight this year, six
Speaker 1: million next year, and so it's still let's say, even
Speaker 1: with a franchise tag on pollar. That would be fifteen
Speaker 1: or sixteen million. You're spinning on one running back rather
Speaker 1: than two runners rights. Yeah, so it's not easy. And
Speaker 1: and and do you just want to let Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: walk into free agency? Do you want to let Layton
Speaker 1: Vanderish walk into free agency? Now? The tag on Vanderish
Speaker 1: I looked at for linebackers like twenty million. Um, they're
Speaker 1: probably not going to do that, and they don't they
Speaker 1: don't have them uh specified in inside linebacker versus outside linebacker.
Speaker 1: I think this as linebacker and edge rushers, I think
Speaker 1: is what it comes down to. Edge rusher should be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like twenty million probably right, and more and then
Speaker 1: but the least expensive one is if you franchise Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson as a strong safety, it's only like six million
Speaker 1: dollars for a strong safety. Now the free safeties near
Speaker 1: twenty million. Where you are free or strong I'm scared
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, all right, I don't think I even know. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is not complete, I don't think. But I've got
Speaker 1: linebackers twenty point and it just specifies linebackers. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: so how did they come about this? This? This uh
Speaker 1: formula of linebackers versus for a franchise DAG. It has
Speaker 1: to do with the average of the top five or
Speaker 1: ten guys at that position, So we don't have any like.
Speaker 1: So the safety, the safety is fourteen point four six million,
Speaker 1: and it just says safety because I saw it was
Speaker 1: broken up to strong and free. Well that what I'm
Speaker 1: reading right here is which was from field yates U
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty three. Just as safety fourteen point four
Speaker 1: six million, cornerback eighteen point why do you go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: linebacker twenty point nine, defensive end nineteen point seven. Wow.
Speaker 1: So the linebackers in general are more. But what happens
Speaker 1: some of those linebackers are three four linebackers, right, And
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm saying. A three to four outside
Speaker 1: linebacker right is more valuable than an an inside right
Speaker 1: traditionally right, exactly. So So again, now Layton Vanderesh wouldn't
Speaker 1: agree with that, Yeah, I'm sure, And you know, as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, he won his bet on himself.
Speaker 1: I mean, he played for two million dollars and would
Speaker 1: have led the team if he didn't miss those final
Speaker 1: three games, and he probably could have played the least
Speaker 1: the last one um and then played well in the
Speaker 1: in the playoff game. And again the running back franchise
Speaker 1: tag is Mickey mentioned is ten point zero nine million,
Speaker 1: tight end is eleven point three million. But in the
Speaker 1: case of show more, yeah, so it comes to fourteen yeah, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, fourteen and what he made last year,
Speaker 1: which was ten, comes to twenty four over two, right,
Speaker 1: And basically, no, I take that back. He was he
Speaker 1: was nearly twelve, so now it's fourteen twenty six. He
Speaker 1: would have averaged thirteen million a year on a long
Speaker 1: term deal, and that those guys that got paid that
Speaker 1: were tight ends last year averaged around fourteen million. So
Speaker 1: it almost became a push if you've franchised him two
Speaker 1: years in a row. So an answer to Everson's original questions,
Speaker 1: franchise tag candidates for the Cowboys are Tony Pollard and Shultz.
Speaker 1: And I think that's it, okay, because because I don't
Speaker 1: know that you're going to do the franchise tag on
Speaker 1: on Layton, right, that's not going to happen, not at
Speaker 1: twenty point whatever million. Now, the other decision they need
Speaker 1: to make, by the way, it's restricted free agents. Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele because there's three levels to that. You guarantee yourself
Speaker 1: write a first refusal if you don't sign him, if
Speaker 1: he signs with somebody else at a first, a second,
Speaker 1: or original draft which he was drafted the same round
Speaker 1: Everson was. That's right, so there's no there's no compensation, uh,
Speaker 1: if you don't tag him for a first or a second. Right.
Speaker 1: In fact, let me rephrase them. He was drafted the
Speaker 1: same round Everson, Mickey and Bill work. That's right, right,
Speaker 1: and you know how hard that road was Avante Turpin
Speaker 1: two by the way. Anyway, so he's a pro bowler.
Speaker 1: He's ready to be the deep threat wide receiver. There
Speaker 1: you go, paid attention. He's been ready to interview. He's
Speaker 1: been ready. Yeah, that's time. Why that offensive coordinator is
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator? Isn't here anymore shots to Dylan the battle
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Speaker 1: uh Arlington Renegades head down to Houston to take on
Speaker 1: a way to Phillips f l on Sunday, I believe
Speaker 1: is that game? Do you watch any last weekend? I did.
Speaker 1: I must admit I saw highlights. I watched parts of
Speaker 1: the game I didn't watch. Still got problems with the
Speaker 1: offensive tackles in that league. Ball well. I watched a
Speaker 1: majority a lot of defensive touchdowns of the Arlington. The
Speaker 1: Arlington game which they won because they had two defensive
Speaker 1: to pick sixes and then a big on the two
Speaker 1: point conversion attempt to end the game. A big six, seven,
Speaker 1: three hundred sixty four pound T. J. Barnes sacked. Who
Speaker 1: were they? The Vegas Vipers? Quarter Vipers? Um poor until
Speaker 1: the possession that Arlington had to go down and win
Speaker 1: the game. Um with a field goal? Um? Is it?
Speaker 1: AJ McCarn t A J. J. Mccaren wasn't in that game?
Speaker 1: He was? Was it? That wasn't his game? Watch too many?
Speaker 1: That's right, that game, that's the one I was talking
Speaker 1: about battle Hawks. I thought that was the one that
Speaker 1: he was getting just blasted. He could not set up
Speaker 1: in the pocket. Finally on that last drive they blocked
Speaker 1: him just enough where he could throw the so they
Speaker 1: could drive down and score. The offensive lines are just terrible.
Speaker 1: Was his girlfriend in the stands? Uh? It's his wife? Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. Or maybe since
Speaker 1: he's Nysberger liked, might have traded her in. She might
Speaker 1: have traded them in since he wasn't in the NFL, right,
Speaker 1: But anyway, it was crazy. It was It was a
Speaker 1: little craney watching Hi playing for Seattle. I think he
Speaker 1: had a nice little a little flip for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. Kind of one of those push pass. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's tough, tough to watch. Did it look like the
Speaker 1: Washington game they did? Yeah? I did. No, there was
Speaker 1: something in those games I liked and I forgot. I
Speaker 1: was going to tell you, guys, kick off. That's weird.
Speaker 1: I felt like we were back playing flag football or something,
Speaker 1: you know, and inner murals where everybody's watching where the
Speaker 1: ball is. Oh, he can't Okay, no, we can't take off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the runner cannot leave the base and it's like
Speaker 1: a sack fly. Yeah, baseball. That was That was strange.
Speaker 1: I like how they handled the replace uh that you
Speaker 1: know they heard we heard the discussion right, and transparency yeah,
Speaker 1: and and a lot of immediate decisions not having to
Speaker 1: challenge things. I finally got to see the uh, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to on side kick or take the first
Speaker 1: in fifteen from the twenty five, I saw that happen
Speaker 1: and they converted. Was that the Saint Louis I think
Speaker 1: it was. I think it was the Saint Louis scheme.
Speaker 1: They couldn't too long. I'm sorry. Yea. By the way,
Speaker 1: we have some breaking news from the producer Supreme's booth. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's producer Supreme breaking it. Okay, by the way, it's
Speaker 1: it's Catherine Webb mccaron. That's his wife. Now, yes, Miss Alabama.
Speaker 1: So they got married. They did getting married, Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: much to the chagrin of Brent Mussburger. It was in
Speaker 1: the BCS National Championship Game for anybody once a week. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So what's on your legal pad, Mickey, I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: no XFL notes on there. No. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: point out there was that Wade Phillips using roughnecks or
Speaker 1: taken on Bob Stoop's Arlington Renegades on Sunday. I was
Speaker 1: trying to I had written this down. It's not on
Speaker 1: these pads. Something I liked about the XFL. But that
Speaker 1: was a week ago, right, was that? No? That was it?
Speaker 1: Was it the extra points mac or? I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean after the uh two or three play basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's six, and then went for three and then the Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought that was jacking it up too much. You
Speaker 1: can go you go for one point from the two
Speaker 1: yard line, correct, two points from the five and three
Speaker 1: points from the tent. Correct. Okay, it's Stoop almost blew
Speaker 1: that because he opted they got up twenty to fourteen,
Speaker 1: and he went for the two points to go up eight,
Speaker 1: or maybe he went for one. I can't remember. I
Speaker 1: think he went up eight and which left the door open.
Speaker 1: He could have put them away. In fact, he was
Speaker 1: roundly criticized in the booth by Greg McElroy whoever was
Speaker 1: in the booth with him, like he needed to go
Speaker 1: ahead and put this game away, but big game Bob
Speaker 1: decided to trust his defense. Yeah, but if you don't
Speaker 1: make it, then that's right a touchdown in it was
Speaker 1: a seven It must have been a seven point lead,
Speaker 1: and he went for one to give it an eight
Speaker 1: point because it was a six point lead. If he
Speaker 1: missed it, I thought, okay, well maybe so, I don't
Speaker 1: know anyway, Yeah, that was San Antonio lost their game.
Speaker 1: There were a minute and a half left. They were
Speaker 1: down there, up by thirteen and lost. Unbelievable. There's always
Speaker 1: a way to come back in that league. You like
Speaker 1: the non on site kick in the fourth and fifteen, Mick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that you know what they that came up in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and they decided not to even do a trial at it. No.
Speaker 1: I don't like that. It's like it's too it's too
Speaker 1: jacking up the integrity of the game. You just can't
Speaker 1: keep messing around with things like that. Do you like
Speaker 1: the kickoffs, Mick? How about that? No, I already said
Speaker 1: I didn't like kickoffs. No, I kind of like the kickoffs.
Speaker 1: You don't like that they line up for the kickoff
Speaker 1: like normal, but the kicker kicks it like they don't
Speaker 1: line up normally. Well, they line up. Everybody lines up
Speaker 1: on the line where the front guys are, so all
Speaker 1: ten of them are up there. Yeah, they're only like
Speaker 1: what Chris ten five yards apart, five yards ten yards
Speaker 1: apart something like that, like the thirty yard line, I believe.
Speaker 1: And then the guy kicks it, and when the guy
Speaker 1: catch the returner catches it, then everybody takes up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got you. And if you kick it short, it's
Speaker 1: a penalty. So it's like a fifteen yard penalty from
Speaker 1: the spot of the foul and it has to go
Speaker 1: at least to the past the twenty yard line. They
Speaker 1: just did that. They just started that this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then the l yes in the XFL, they just
Speaker 1: started this year, right, Because I was just wondering if
Speaker 1: we got Turpin, is that why he'd be so good
Speaker 1: because well it makes them return as they can't kick
Speaker 1: it in the end zone. I don't think they have
Speaker 1: to kick it between the twenty. Yeah, you can't. There's
Speaker 1: no catch back, there's no touchbacks. You'd probably get pedalized
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, so okay, next up on your illegal pad.
Speaker 1: Uh here here's well we we we never got finished
Speaker 1: with steel, Yes, Terence Steele, what would you tag them
Speaker 1: with of writer first refusal? If you didn't uh take it,
Speaker 1: then you get a first or a second or you
Speaker 1: continuing to try to a long term deal. You have
Speaker 1: the numbers on the six million four million, I think
Speaker 1: it's either. So if it's a first round tender, first
Speaker 1: round year. Yeah, first round tender is six million, right,
Speaker 1: as a restricted you have you have to tender him
Speaker 1: with the first don't you think? Yes? Would you agree?
Speaker 1: Every yes? Now? A lot of times what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have done, and that's six millions nothing they tender tackle
Speaker 1: for a guy that's going to start for you? Right.
Speaker 1: Um again, And that's another one where you got to
Speaker 1: know market value because a lot of times to reduce
Speaker 1: that that salary cap hit because it's a one year
Speaker 1: guaranteed that you sign him to a two year deal,
Speaker 1: give him some signing bonus up front, and then say
Speaker 1: I'll I'll sign you two years eight million or not
Speaker 1: eight um twelve million? Say double it, and then pay
Speaker 1: him a signing bonus twelve million a year. No, no total?
Speaker 1: Oh taking that two years for two years for twelve No,
Speaker 1: there's no way. Well, if you're getting one for six,
Speaker 1: that's doubling it. You go out. You're a restricted free agent.
Speaker 1: You go out, But he's restricted, that's right, And another
Speaker 1: team can come back with an offer, and all they
Speaker 1: gotta do. They gotta give up first round drafting. You're
Speaker 1: gonna do it a guy. Teams that are giving up
Speaker 1: giving up first round very good on a guy coming
Speaker 1: off with torn ACL that's not gonna be ready into
Speaker 1: with him. I mean see, it's not an easy decision.
Speaker 1: That's an easy decision to reject two years, twelve billion dollars.
Speaker 1: If I'm terried Steele. Okay, see, he's got a little
Speaker 1: gil brand in him. He got a little gil brand
Speaker 1: in him. You kick him while they're down, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, he's hurt. Yeah, let's just let's just
Speaker 1: ring all of it. We can, we can. You gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta look at it like it's your money. There's
Speaker 1: no doubt that's how they looked at it, That's exactly.
Speaker 1: And the Cowboys have to look at it as it's
Speaker 1: not Jerry's money, it's the team money under the salary cap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you still got to treat your player right, you know, well,
Speaker 1: as right as you can m as right as you
Speaker 1: want to. That's what it is, as right as I
Speaker 1: could afford. So so yeah, that's that's another complicated decision
Speaker 1: because he didn't have I mean, nine months removed from
Speaker 1: az ACL would be like August September, right, And you
Speaker 1: want him to be ready to go, want him to
Speaker 1: be ready because when he's ready, though he's one of
Speaker 1: the he's a good one when he's ready. Because that
Speaker 1: that's why you don't want to You don't want to
Speaker 1: piss him off, you know, you don't want to just
Speaker 1: disrespect him with with two years twelve. Yeah, but what
Speaker 1: if I gave you eight or ten of it when
Speaker 1: up front, up front as a signing bonus. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Okay, if you can do that, then
Speaker 1: let's talk on the other end. I'll give you eight.
Speaker 1: You would make six, but you have to work for
Speaker 1: it week by week. There you go. I give you
Speaker 1: eight from the give me eight, but I'm only gonna
Speaker 1: make four next year, That's what he's saying. Well, you're
Speaker 1: only gonna make four over two uh two base salaries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're guaranteed eight, all right. But if i'll play
Speaker 1: for six, I'll play for six. Okay, I'll play for six,
Speaker 1: and I'll take my chances on a three year, fifty
Speaker 1: four million dollar contract next year. And I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: an attitude. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm gonna be thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember this year. I'm gonna remember. Then I
Speaker 1: will bring out so Everson, would you Okay, let's will
Speaker 1: play that out. You've run one second. Don't ask me
Speaker 1: because you know why if I get hurt, okay, if
Speaker 1: you got hurt again, okay, and now you're a free agent,
Speaker 1: I can't go on that. Any player can get hurt anytime,
Speaker 1: So don't give me that. I'm not going with that.
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't take guaranteed money to bet on your self.
Speaker 1: So what about next year? Let's say, and I would
Speaker 1: bring out the example of Dak Prescott got very lucky.
Speaker 1: So what are the Cowboys gonna offer next year? Let's
Speaker 1: say he accepts the first round tender at six million
Speaker 1: this year, and now he's an unrestricted free agent next year.
Speaker 1: So what are the Cowboys options next year on tranche?
Speaker 1: And the franchise tag is offensive tackle? It's got to
Speaker 1: be fifteen to twenty billion, right, I just had it,
Speaker 1: so I might as well google look it up. It's
Speaker 1: got to be. So you guys act like there's just
Speaker 1: an unlimited amount of money to spend. No, you act
Speaker 1: like you a Gail Brand. I'm not to like you
Speaker 1: no more. Man. You know you can see offensive line?
Speaker 1: Offensive line? Why aren't tackles specified? Offensive line is eighteen
Speaker 1: point two million? So okay, mickey, here is my starting point. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: And this is exactly when you said two million, two
Speaker 1: years twelve million, I said to twelve million a year,
Speaker 1: and you said, no, that's for the two years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because my idea was no, I will consider two years
Speaker 1: twelve million per year, which is two years twenty four million. Okay.
Speaker 1: Because if I just sit here and play for your
Speaker 1: first round tender this year six million, and then you
Speaker 1: tag me next year, it's eighteen point two million. I've
Speaker 1: got two two years twenty four million sitting here right now,
Speaker 1: and you want me to sign think that you think
Speaker 1: you want you want me to sign Yours is not
Speaker 1: gars twelve million years is not guarantee my mind. It is.
Speaker 1: I'm guaranteed my mind. So and so, then you're gonna
Speaker 1: pay Pollot and he could get hurt again on a
Speaker 1: one year deal. Yeah, I mean you want to pay him.
Speaker 1: You want to pay But that's why I don't. If
Speaker 1: I'm the player, I don't want a one year deal.
Speaker 1: I didn't say one year deal. You want to pay
Speaker 1: Tony Pollot. You want to get him on your team.
Speaker 1: You want to sign him to that deal. You want
Speaker 1: to sign him to the real deal, not some franchise tag.
Speaker 1: He wants to sign him to a long term deal.
Speaker 1: If the market value allows me to do that. Yes,
Speaker 1: but he could get hurt again, that's the yeah, But
Speaker 1: that's the chance I'm taking. But I gotta take it
Speaker 1: at a reasonable amount of money. So you don't think
Speaker 1: the Terrence steal is worth more money because he might
Speaker 1: get hurt again. No, No, you said you didn't want
Speaker 1: to pay him his money. You didn't want to pay
Speaker 1: him what he really deserves because he's coming off an
Speaker 1: injury and he might get hurt again. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you confuse that with the one year deals. H I
Speaker 1: was not saying that I wouldn't pay him on a
Speaker 1: multiple year deal. I will pay him a multiple year
Speaker 1: deal two years. I'm saying he's taken a chance on himself. Okay.
Speaker 1: And what I tried to point out, you cut me
Speaker 1: off by the way. Dak Prescott did that with the
Speaker 1: first franchise tag, right, he was getting guaranteed like forty
Speaker 1: eight million dollars and he goes, no, I'd rather make
Speaker 1: twenty million or whatever it was, and then I'll take
Speaker 1: my chances next year. And what happened to him. He
Speaker 1: suffered a season ending injury in Game five? What if
Speaker 1: it was career ending? If you want to talk about
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott now, I mean now he won because they
Speaker 1: because they resigned him. What if that injury was career ending? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all these what ifs can't go by that. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I treat my money differently than
Speaker 1: you treat years. Yes, you're waiting on something to happen,
Speaker 1: you're gonna take it with you. No, I'm gonna spend
Speaker 1: it after I have it, but I'm gonna have it right.
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Speaker 1: free agency looming here, it'll be here before you know it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've what did March thirteenth? Is the negotiating period starts
Speaker 1: right right now? It's fifteenth, Okay, we're worried. Twenty third,
Speaker 1: twenty day, so I mean we're two weeks away basically, right.
Speaker 1: So let's give a little overview of those Cowboys free
Speaker 1: agent and I got another one that's complicated, all right,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. There you go. He's at the top, at
Speaker 1: the top of the defensive free agents coming off a
Speaker 1: torn achilles um, which is difficult for right, Yeah it is, Um,
Speaker 1: we saw what is it like without? Maybe I think
Speaker 1: that's he came in the league in twenty sixteen, so
Speaker 1: we're going he's still going into his eighth year. So
Speaker 1: how do you, I mean, what's he looking for? Because
Speaker 1: he's probably with my history with torn achilles, he's probably
Speaker 1: not ready for the start of training camp. I'm thinking, Um,
Speaker 1: well I'm not ready for the season, and what kind
Speaker 1: of what kind of free what kind of thirty December fifteenth,
Speaker 1: So what's his market value out there with another team
Speaker 1: torn achilles? I mean, we saw what happened what Malie Cooker, right,
Speaker 1: Cowboys got him basically for a song and a dance
Speaker 1: on a one year deal. Um, I'm thinking unless he finds,
Speaker 1: you know, a multi year deal somewhere to continue your
Speaker 1: rehab here I think would be valuable, right uh, and
Speaker 1: not go into free agency and then they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well you're not here, you know, uh, one year deal
Speaker 1: to kind of re establish yourself, so maybe you can
Speaker 1: get him back. Um, now your chances are at old
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis will be back ready to go from his
Speaker 1: list franc injury and he's got one year left on
Speaker 1: his deal. Yes, um, you like Bland, but after that,
Speaker 1: what do you guys? The Cowboys played two quarterbacks against
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers of the playoff game. There were
Speaker 1: two cornerbacks that got on the field that day, right,
Speaker 1: because they were using safeties as the third guy. That's right.
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty effective though, by the way, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd love to have Anthony Brown back. You know, is
Speaker 1: he a great corner No, but he's a good one
Speaker 1: and I could win games with him. Um, so you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they can get him back on a you know,
Speaker 1: like a one year, one point five million dollars deal
Speaker 1: with per game bonuses if he gets back and he's playing.
Speaker 1: But that's another one. It's complicated, right, These all these
Speaker 1: things are so complicated. It's not cutting dry because you
Speaker 1: have all these guys coming back from injuries, but you
Speaker 1: also have the luxury in that secondary with some pretty
Speaker 1: talented safeties that you're dealing with. Some of them have
Speaker 1: compromised their whole game to come down cover that slot
Speaker 1: and play positions that they are not accustomed to playing, right,
Speaker 1: And I think they adapted very well, especially in a
Speaker 1: playoff game, the way that they did. But twenty four
Speaker 1: number one Donovan Wilson is free. Yeah, so Israel mcquamo
Speaker 1: is one of those safeties. Um Jay Ryan Curse, he'll
Speaker 1: be he's back on the last year of his two
Speaker 1: year deal as his hooker, and mcquomo is probably this
Speaker 1: is his to be his third year, so it'll be
Speaker 1: his last year two right. He was a fifth round
Speaker 1: pick maybe seventh. Oh yeah, you're right. So yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you know Nashan right. I don't know about how
Speaker 1: that one's gonna work out. Um so yeah, the safety
Speaker 1: position kind of persevere. You got one cornerback, baby, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we got another cornerback though, waiting on you number one.
Speaker 1: Come on, fags, How do I have a hard time
Speaker 1: wrapping my head around that? Got one out there? Baby,
Speaker 1: he's still there, made some plays in the game. He did.
Speaker 1: He's there, Athlantic, He's very athlantic. You trust him. I
Speaker 1: didn't say that, but he's out there. And then you
Speaker 1: have another cornerback who's going into his free agent year. Dicks.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, who probably wants hundred million dollar man.
Speaker 1: He probably wants too. Oh yeah, he wants good luckily
Speaker 1: that yeah, so yeah, I see in By the way,
Speaker 1: you got to do something with dex base salary. It's
Speaker 1: what is it like forty ninety five goes up. Can't
Speaker 1: you got to do something there? And he's this is
Speaker 1: this third year on that new deal, so that means
Speaker 1: one out of four. That's why they wanted a five
Speaker 1: and they kind of gave in. See Gil wouldn't have
Speaker 1: gave him. And what are you gonna do as your
Speaker 1: backup quarterback? Your backup quarterbacks at free age? That's right,
Speaker 1: Hooper Rush who went four and one for you this year?
Speaker 1: He thinks somebody who's going to be the backup quarterback
Speaker 1: this year? Somebody might think he's worth more than a
Speaker 1: one year whatever. He didn't make much this year. I
Speaker 1: think it was nine hundred. I think he's worth keeping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do too. I think he is definitely worth keeping.
Speaker 1: I mean, with all whatever flaws we see in him,
Speaker 1: it worked for us and that's all that matters. And
Speaker 1: by the way, you need a kicker and you need
Speaker 1: a well, they they finally made kickers, miss Kayano. They finally,
Speaker 1: I mean that finally is official that they had signed
Speaker 1: him as a future You need a deep snapper, by
Speaker 1: the way, because both of them are free agents. Um,
Speaker 1: what does a deep snapper? I mean, well, until he
Speaker 1: doesn't deep snap it accurately. So I mean those guys
Speaker 1: you don't have to pay a lot, but you need
Speaker 1: to spend money doing that right, and then you need
Speaker 1: they're just that's a nuisance. The problem is when you
Speaker 1: have a deep snapper get hurt like the Cowboys did
Speaker 1: this year, Now you're paying two deep snaps. So this
Speaker 1: year they paid two veterans, two kickers based on the
Speaker 1: way I hear so Jake McQuaid and Matt Overton. So
Speaker 1: McQuoid gets hurt, Well, whatever point in the season, Now
Speaker 1: you got to bring another veteran gay and now you
Speaker 1: just increase the pay for your deep snapper and your
Speaker 1: your rookie pools nine million dollars dollars, so they're already
Speaker 1: if they take they're already like at the cap and
Speaker 1: they hadn't signed anybody. So that's why managing this whole
Speaker 1: thing with all these guys. You know, we didn't even
Speaker 1: bring up Tyrn Smith. What's going to happen there because
Speaker 1: he has dead money too, by the way, that you
Speaker 1: have to account for. So it's it's just not easy.
Speaker 1: Said like he's sounded like parcels what he said that
Speaker 1: what he's got dead money too? Five I take that,
Speaker 1: take that because his base salary is thirteen point six
Speaker 1: million TYRN and eight million dead if you just outright
Speaker 1: cut him. And I think there's a isn't there a
Speaker 1: limit on how many guys you can designate June one?
Speaker 1: Release like one? Two? I think maybe two? Now that's it.
Speaker 1: So eight million dollars there, everybody's like, well, you gotta
Speaker 1: cut them. I all right, Well, now you're gonna spend
Speaker 1: eight million on nothing. It's complicated. I'm telling you, you know,
Speaker 1: I miss Nate from Frisco. Yeah, I really do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he always has great insight on these things, but not
Speaker 1: when it comes to salary cap But he can tell
Speaker 1: he can, he can. He just wants to spend. He can.
Speaker 1: He can invoke all types of you know. So, by
Speaker 1: the way, I see Da Dak's cap hit his forty
Speaker 1: nine million, his base salary goes to thirty one and
Speaker 1: it's all guaranteed. So and if anybody wants to cut him,
Speaker 1: by the way, which people were ready to get rid
Speaker 1: of him, because fifteen interceptions, he has eighty nine million
Speaker 1: in dead money, madam. By the way, in my big
Speaker 1: green notebook, yeah, I'm looking at a FAMU linebacker and
Speaker 1: he combines next week by the way, the HBCU one
Speaker 1: the regular. The HBCU won this week it was already
Speaker 1: or is it this week this weekend, this weekend, this weekend? Yes,
Speaker 1: they're because they're down there now. So they're working out.
Speaker 1: They're working out, and now, okay, all right. I heard
Speaker 1: an interview with Isaiah Land out of Florida, A and
Speaker 1: M and I love this guy and another linebacker twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one Buck Buchanan Award winner, And he's he's a
Speaker 1: linebacker slash edge rusher type. He's Michael Parsons type. Which,
Speaker 1: by the way, did you catch any of Micah's interview
Speaker 1: Friday night on ticket Stock? The question was, what do
Speaker 1: you consider yourself a linebacker? Uh? At defensive end or
Speaker 1: a hybrid player? And he paused and he goes, I
Speaker 1: consider myself mister football. Of course, of course he's gonna
Speaker 1: say that. Oh you gotta love the kid, so uh
Speaker 1: before we go, And I got another one, Marquis Bell.
Speaker 1: What's up with him? Uh? I think they kind of potential,
Speaker 1: but they liked him. They had they know they had
Speaker 1: him in some backup roles. I saw him getting on
Speaker 1: the field, didn't I. Yeah, A couple couple of snaps
Speaker 1: um kind of playing that hybrid uh safety position that
Speaker 1: Curse did. Yeah, um, I think that they think he
Speaker 1: has something. You know, we'll see they still they still
Speaker 1: think yeah, yeah yeah, they still still yeah yeah I
Speaker 1: think so. And then you know, Mom's his Auntie's gonna
Speaker 1: be calling me pretty soon, oh to see what what's
Speaker 1: up all that? Um, And then ever since, I'll appreciate
Speaker 1: this one and this is my public service announcement. On
Speaker 1: NFL dot com, they did a fifteen minute documentary on
Speaker 1: the Titanic clash between Elkhorn State in Mississippi Valley State
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four that pitted one Jerry Rice against
Speaker 1: and they were the two main guys they interviewed for
Speaker 1: the piece. It is really good, I mean really good.
Speaker 1: The unfortunate thing is it was nineteen eighty four, so
Speaker 1: the videos kind of cloudy. It's not kind of grainy.
Speaker 1: But those two guys, they got them together, interviewed them.
Speaker 1: They actually went to Levi Stadium and interviewed both of them,
Speaker 1: going back and forth, and Rice was talking about how
Speaker 1: Ike held him the whole game and I was saying,
Speaker 1: not only held you once, right, And they actually had
Speaker 1: to play it he always pulled his jersey off right,
Speaker 1: and there was no flag, but the cool thing about it.
Speaker 1: And so that game was took place two months after
Speaker 1: I left the paper in Jackson to come here, and
Speaker 1: I had dealt with both of those head coaches, Marino
Speaker 1: Cassim at Elkhorn State. Uh and uh uh oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gotta forget his name, the Mississippi Valley State coach. Um
Speaker 1: that was, oh, my god, the Gunslinger. So the name
Speaker 1: of right right, actually cool. So the name of the
Speaker 1: of the documentary is Gunslinger versus our Godfather versus Gunslinger.
Speaker 1: And that game was supposed to be played in it Abina, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: which probably had enough room for I played that three
Speaker 1: thousand May. They decided this was game was so big.
Speaker 1: Both teams were undefeated in the Swack, and they moved
Speaker 1: the game to Memorial Coliseum or stadium in Jackson sixty
Speaker 1: five thousand, right, and my buddy got interviewed from it.
Speaker 1: I worked with him at the papers about Grambling owns
Speaker 1: that stadium. Right, Okay, you win all the time, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. And they moved it there and
Speaker 1: in that stadium it was a sellout, right of course,
Speaker 1: it was standing room only, so they said sixty five,
Speaker 1: but there was more than that, and it showed on
Speaker 1: statewide television, right, and that's unusual for eighty four. That's
Speaker 1: very un right from nineteen eighty four to get that
Speaker 1: kind of coverage, right, and Elkhorn ended up winning. They
Speaker 1: beat Jerry Wise. Willie Totton was the quarterback. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so it's it's well worth just seeing Rice and
Speaker 1: Holt go back and forth and black all is how
Speaker 1: the famous I was one of my favorite guys. You know,
Speaker 1: that's good stuff. So anyway you watch it, it's fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: And then they had UH and it was on NFL
Speaker 1: dot com. It was part of their Black History Month
Speaker 1: celebration and it's probably gonna be yeah better hurry on.
Speaker 1: They also had a little nugget and I guess this
Speaker 1: probably was well known, but it was on Bob Hayes.
Speaker 1: Bob Hayes being the only UH player to have won
Speaker 1: an Olympic gold medal and a Super Bowl title. Yeah, definitely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty good. That's why I was such a
Speaker 1: shame that it took so long to get him into
Speaker 1: the Cowboys wing of So one last thing on the game,
Speaker 1: the year before they had called it the showdown, right,
Speaker 1: and it was the gun Slinger against Marino Cassim, who
Speaker 1: passed away I think a couple of years ago. But
Speaker 1: we took a picture of them and they were facing
Speaker 1: each other. They had their big ten gallon hats on
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they each had a had a pistol
Speaker 1: and they were like blowing the smoke. Guy only l
Speaker 1: Corn Mississippi Valley State, right, But they would do anything
Speaker 1: to promote their programs and you know some pretty darn
Speaker 1: goodness the same way he promoted any way he could,
Speaker 1: and they knew what they had to do with at
Speaker 1: that time. So anyway, check it out, take my word
Speaker 1: for it. Very good. And so we meet next week
Speaker 1: at what time I believe, Monday, Monday eleven am. Monday,
Speaker 1: thank you, Monday eleven am. I was gonna say noon,
Speaker 1: but that was our old times. Well, maybe I can
Speaker 1: reveal some contents in my big green notebook. It's about time. Well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't really get started till next week. It will
Speaker 1: be a little combine preview. Un because the combine starts
Speaker 1: next week. Next week, that's right, we can be watching
Speaker 1: them work out while we do well, No, I think
Speaker 1: it actually the televised port the workout portion later in
Speaker 1: the weekday and they got it in primetime. Now you
Speaker 1: know they changed it where I remember when the primetimes
Speaker 1: everything makes it difficult to watch because the wife is
Speaker 1: not as into it as I am. That's why you
Speaker 1: got to have two TVs in the same room. That's right. No,
Speaker 1: when I get sent to the y, I get set upstairs.
Speaker 1: All right. That does it for this edition of Mixed Shots.
Speaker 1: Make it a great week And do you root for
Speaker 1: Big Game Bob or Wade Phillips on Sunday? Well, well
Speaker 1: we'll have a recap on Monday. Let's do that. Go Cowboys.
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