Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we never use air quotes
Speaker 1: about our championship drought.
Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal here.
Speaker 1: In the Chris Westling podcast studio, so excited on Tuesday
Speaker 1: as usual to be joined by my friends Jordan Rodrigue
Speaker 1: of the Athletic and Colleen Wolf of the NFC champion
Speaker 1: Oh Ghiladelphia Eagle.
Speaker 3: What is up?
Speaker 4: I've been listening to Too Short for like I don't know,
Speaker 4: seventy two straight hours.
Speaker 2: It is really exciting.
Speaker 1: And it's not just you two guys. This week we
Speaker 1: have a special guest from across Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Let's welcome her in as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, hey, it's Mina Chimes from the Mina Chimes Show
Speaker 1: Worthy featuring Lenny ESPN, NFL Live, all of that stuff.
Speaker 2: Welcome Mina.
Speaker 5: Is this the most women ever?
Speaker 2: Greg?
Speaker 6: Are you a heroic ally today? Are you making history?
Speaker 2: I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: I always feel a little more comfortable, you know, with
Speaker 1: female energy around me. I have been accused of maybe
Speaker 1: not you know, the most masculine guy, but no, we're
Speaker 1: just we're just talking ball here. That's what we're doing today.
Speaker 1: And we're celebrating Colleen because she is gonna be celebrating me. Amazing.
Speaker 1: She is gonna be on the field at Super Bowl
Speaker 1: fifty nine. If you are lucky enough to be in
Speaker 1: the stadium. I don't know if any of our listeners
Speaker 1: are going to be there, reach out to us, let
Speaker 1: us know. You'll be seeing Colleen on the big screen
Speaker 1: super Dome kind of going in and out, which I
Speaker 1: think is like the coolest gig ever. And the fact
Speaker 1: you're doing it with your team playing.
Speaker 7: Is really cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Joe Thomas and Ronde Barber, so it's like
Speaker 4: a fun group too. And it's just it's nice that
Speaker 4: the last time I worked a Super Bowl with the
Speaker 4: Eagles were in was in Minnesota.
Speaker 7: I didn't work in Arizona.
Speaker 4: So it's nice that, like, I feel like it's a
Speaker 4: it's a good location that's not freezing cold.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Minnesota, I know, I guess.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you were.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, it was literally so there was the
Speaker 6: kind of cold where you walk outside and you feel
Speaker 6: like you're being punched in the face the second you
Speaker 6: like open a door.
Speaker 5: And walk outside. It was insane.
Speaker 6: But that was one of my favorite Super Bowls to ever, honestly,
Speaker 6: because I was in the end zone. Yeah, I was
Speaker 6: covering as a writer and I was in the end
Speaker 6: zone where the Philly Special happened, and it was like
Speaker 6: one of those football memories I'll never like, Yeah, tell
Speaker 6: me about it, but I will never forget seeing leak
Speaker 6: out and then just and you know, you're not supposed
Speaker 6: to cheer in the press box, and I mean it's
Speaker 6: not let's be real. I was cheering us the Patriots
Speaker 6: every super Bowl possible, but the press box went nuts
Speaker 6: just because it was such an insane, insane play. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it was just such a cool moment and we're literally
Speaker 6: right there.
Speaker 7: Oh I love that.
Speaker 1: And the guy who ended that game for the Eagles,
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, might be playing.
Speaker 2: He might be coming back.
Speaker 7: How about that?
Speaker 8: I really hope So any inside intel I gave us
Speaker 8: some good Brandon.
Speaker 4: No, but as soon as I find out, I will
Speaker 4: let you know, I will let everyone know.
Speaker 1: Well, we have we have a lot of work to do,
Speaker 1: not just today, but before we leave for New Orleans,
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Speaker 8: By the way, I was eighteen sacks in two seasons.
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Speaker 8: I have to tell you too, Mina. So I was
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Speaker 1: It's one of the great things about Los Angeles, though.
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Speaker 2: It'll be really fun. All Right, we are going to
Speaker 2: talk football today.
Speaker 1: We have not really gone over all the crazy amount
Speaker 1: of head coaching hires that have happened since. Like our
Speaker 1: last full show, I did like an emergency topper on
Speaker 1: everything that was going on with Liam Cohen because It's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite stories that's happened in the years, just.
Speaker 2: The drama that led up to that.
Speaker 1: But we haven't talked about the Raiders hiring Pete Carroll,
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about the Cowboys hiring Brian Schottenheimer. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw in the Jets and Liam Cohen
Speaker 1: because all four of those coaches had press conferences on Monday,
Speaker 1: and we're just gonna talk about our impressions.
Speaker 2: No major like.
Speaker 1: Structure here other than I will order it in terms
Speaker 1: of vibes I watched. I'm really into opening press conferences.
Speaker 1: This is something I've I've done since forever. I remember
Speaker 1: the Pete Carroll Seahawks one is maybe the best opening
Speaker 1: press conference of all time by any head coach. I
Speaker 1: remember at the end of that. I was working at
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk at the time. I was like, I'm in,
Speaker 1: I want to join the Seahawks. This is gonna work.
Speaker 1: And he had it all. And so I'm gonna rank
Speaker 1: these four press conferences in terms of vibes. We'll go
Speaker 1: in that order, and it has to start with Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll and your boy John Spytech, who was a guest
Speaker 1: on the Playmakers podcast, so you are a kingmaker the player.
Speaker 5: Now we know how I got that job.
Speaker 1: Couldn't hurt it, couldn't hurt good pub He was great
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 2: I'll start with you, Mina.
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, less about the press conference for now and
Speaker 1: maybe more just do you think this can work?
Speaker 2: And is it a good hire here for the Raiders?
Speaker 6: I think it definitely can because Pete Carroll, unlike a
Speaker 6: lot of first time head coaches or even retreads, there's
Speaker 6: no mystery as to whether or not he has the leadership,
Speaker 6: the culture, the CEO stuff down, the players love and
Speaker 6: we know all of that. I always people ask me
Speaker 6: about a first time head coach. I always say, well,
Speaker 6: first of all, I don't know if the guy's going
Speaker 6: to be a good leader, right Like we didn't know
Speaker 6: that about Sean McVay when he was thirty two or whatever.
Speaker 6: We know that about Pete Carroll, so that mystery is
Speaker 6: taken out. We also know that he's been very good
Speaker 6: with the young quarterback, which I think we all think
Speaker 6: the Raiders are probably gonna go in that direction at
Speaker 6: some point soon, if not this season. He is a
Speaker 6: brilliant defensive coach. He's one of the best secondary coaches
Speaker 6: of entire generation, maybe all time. Those are things that
Speaker 6: the Raiders obviously need. I think if I have any hesitation,
Speaker 6: and I'm curious to hear what you guys think it is
Speaker 6: if you do a young quarterback, I don't know how
Speaker 6: long he's going to coach. I know they signed him
Speaker 6: to a three year deal, but he is thirty seventy
Speaker 6: three years old, right, so there's a bit of a
Speaker 6: timeline issue, and I think that would be my other
Speaker 6: question is like, is he going to be patient about
Speaker 6: a rebuild, like putting the pieces in place, because he
Speaker 6: said we're going to compete right away.
Speaker 5: That's his nature.
Speaker 6: I don't feel that way about the Las Vegas Raiders,
Speaker 6: and I suspect you guys feel the same.
Speaker 8: I don't feel like, as a total roster that they
Speaker 8: are quite ready.
Speaker 2: Yet.
Speaker 5: You can obviously be ready.
Speaker 8: We've seen this a couple years in a row, one
Speaker 8: with the John Spytech led Bucks and also with these
Speaker 8: RAMS teams that have kind of crushed the draft the
Speaker 8: last couple of years, that you can get way more
Speaker 8: ready in a hurry if you do knock the draft
Speaker 8: out of the park. A lot of people don't talk
Speaker 8: about with spy Tech, especially is you know, when they
Speaker 8: were overhauling and then fitting a roster around Tom Brady specifically,
Speaker 8: this was, Okay, what else do we need to get
Speaker 8: in the draft and who do we need to still
Speaker 8: add in order to continue to like build this roster
Speaker 8: around that quarterback. So I did believe when Pete Carroll
Speaker 8: said that, I do think he believes that based on
Speaker 8: potentially what their plan could be in that sense, I
Speaker 8: don't necessarily rule out taking a young quarterback. I think
Speaker 8: the Raiders could possibly be one of these teams that's
Speaker 8: on the phone asking about a Matthew Stafford asking about
Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers, because John Spytech has made that phone call before.
Speaker 8: That's how we got Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: It's funny because you're right me and I. He talked
Speaker 1: about patients. But another takeaway I had was when he
Speaker 1: kind of echoed what you're saying that maybe he is
Speaker 1: on a timeline. Let's actually listen to Pete Carroll talking
Speaker 1: about him wanting to be good right away.
Speaker 9: You all wondering about timelines and all that. It took
Speaker 9: us a few years to get to the very top
Speaker 9: of the last couple programs I was with we're starting
Speaker 9: right now, going for it immediately. We're not. We don't
Speaker 9: have some time and we got to make it five
Speaker 9: or six years down the road. That's not what we're thinking.
Speaker 9: We're going to start right now to go after it
Speaker 9: and build his team as quickly as we can.
Speaker 1: First of all, shout out to Pete for being the
Speaker 1: only head coach to not wear a suit.
Speaker 2: He just went quarters. Zip. I do have a similar
Speaker 2: this Pa.
Speaker 7: I like it.
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll. I'm we're around the same age at this point.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like when I was in Seattle for training camp,
Speaker 4: I guess it was the last year that Pete Carroll
Speaker 4: was in Seattle, So what he was either seventy one
Speaker 4: or seventy two, depending on what his birthday is. I
Speaker 4: could not believe, could not believe he was that old
Speaker 4: because he does not come off that way at all.
Speaker 4: And I do really feel like your chronological age isn't
Speaker 4: really always in sync with how old you are and
Speaker 4: how old you project, and just in general, the speed
Speaker 4: at which he was chewing his gum and walking was incredible, Like,
Speaker 4: I bet he could beat me.
Speaker 7: In a race.
Speaker 4: He is fit, he's in shape, he's fun, his players
Speaker 4: love him. At the press conference, when Marshawn Lynch yelled out,
Speaker 4: can we hear that?
Speaker 9: I'm so proud to be part of that and recognizing
Speaker 9: that we get to represent our following and here in
Speaker 9: Las Vegas to do it in this setting right here
Speaker 9: where people can't wait to come see us, They can't
Speaker 9: wait to see what we're all about. Wherever our fans
Speaker 9: come from, we do want to fill our stadium up
Speaker 9: with our guys. I know that we have a good
Speaker 9: draw for people. As a matter of time.
Speaker 2: There you go, there, you go.
Speaker 9: What I'm talking about Mark a little bit.
Speaker 7: He's whip smart, He's got his humor still.
Speaker 4: I mean Marshawn Lynch just being there and doing that.
Speaker 4: You can see the bond that he had with his
Speaker 4: players and the effect that he had on his players
Speaker 4: and they still have his back and they're still showing up.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. And the vibes that he had with.
Speaker 1: The vibes he had with Spy Tech immediately, who they
Speaker 1: admitted they didn't know each other really coming into this process,
Speaker 1: and they're like pizza like cutting him off and making.
Speaker 2: Jokes and they're going back and forth and they're.
Speaker 1: Having I love that good time. It all makes that
Speaker 1: part is all great. I have to say, after having
Speaker 1: the experience from twelve thirteen years ago or whenever he
Speaker 1: took the Seahawks up, I was thinking, like, well, there's
Speaker 1: still a little even though he has a lot of energy.
Speaker 1: You're right, he's younger than he seems. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: as much energy as he did when he took that
Speaker 1: Seahawks job and when he was trying to prove to
Speaker 1: the world kind of he could be an NFL coach
Speaker 1: and he has everything to prove.
Speaker 2: This is a different stage.
Speaker 7: He was like twenty years oldest.
Speaker 1: Right, It's very different, but it was it was turned
Speaker 1: down just a little bit. As as a Seahawks fan,
Speaker 1: mina kind of what where does this take you emotionally?
Speaker 2: And what do you think do you think you can
Speaker 2: crank it up again?
Speaker 1: And now you've got Marsharton Lyne, Like as a Raiders fan,
Speaker 1: they're all with this got to turn into Raiders.
Speaker 6: Is there anyone you would want vouching for you more
Speaker 6: than Marshall Lynch first of all? Like in who if
Speaker 6: you could pick any human being to like make say
Speaker 6: I like I f with him, it would be him.
Speaker 2: Peter.
Speaker 5: I mean, like he's ultimate vibes.
Speaker 6: It's not surprising that he ultimately, like immediately had chemistry
Speaker 6: with Johnson. The man could have chemistry with like a rock.
Speaker 6: In fact, I don't know if I've ever told this story.
Speaker 6: I remember a long time ago I did a story
Speaker 6: on was Santonio Brown. I can't remember who I was talking. No,
Speaker 6: I was talking abou Patrick Peterson. That's it, Patrick Peterson.
Speaker 6: I was in Florida and I was talking to his
Speaker 6: mom and she was talking about like his recruitment and
Speaker 6: like getting through you know, like being like a top
Speaker 6: draft pick, and just unprompted, she was like, oh that
Speaker 6: Pete Carroll.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh man.
Speaker 5: With a legend a working moms. That sounds bad at
Speaker 5: the context, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: He would go, he would go into that living room and.
Speaker 5: You would give him the world.
Speaker 6: And he is just an unbelievably charismatic person. But as
Speaker 6: far as like yet, like what kind of at the
Speaker 6: end of the seattle, you know a lot of the
Speaker 6: reporting this isn't me talking out. It was that the
Speaker 6: message got a little bit stale with some of the
Speaker 6: older players, and there was like a turnover and it
Speaker 6: felt like he kind of it just kind of felt
Speaker 6: like the natural life cycle.
Speaker 7: Of a team.
Speaker 5: So I think, just like a new group.
Speaker 6: Of players, young quarterback, I think it'll work out well.
Speaker 5: I really do. I think this was a good hire.
Speaker 1: I think, especially for this Raiders team where they are
Speaker 1: now as an organization and the coaches that they've run through,
Speaker 1: this is a great hire.
Speaker 2: In terms of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be great for Pete Carroll,
Speaker 1: like we'll see. I think he'll do a good job,
Speaker 1: but it's a great hire for them. We don't know
Speaker 1: about the coordinator positions on either side of the ball.
Speaker 1: It's like bo heart Agree has been thrown out for offense.
Speaker 1: Patrick Graham might stay there. He's also interviewing with the
Speaker 1: Jaguars and Liam Cohen.
Speaker 2: But just the vibes. I like having the rust.
Speaker 8: I will say one thing something about the Raiders that's
Speaker 8: been a problem over the last couple of years is
Speaker 8: how incongruous the front office and the head coach seem
Speaker 8: to have been. And then you're sort of pairing people together.
Speaker 8: I like that they went and did this at the
Speaker 8: same time. And you know, I know John Spytech from
Speaker 8: our interview, but also from having a lot of conversations
Speaker 8: about football with him and like that dude knows ball
Speaker 8: and he builds through the trenches.
Speaker 5: That's what he likes to do.
Speaker 8: And I think Raiders fans can appreciate that hearing that
Speaker 8: first and foremost because they have a couple of key
Speaker 8: pivotal guys, including Max Crosby, who they're going to want
Speaker 8: to keep happy over there. But also I think Pete
Speaker 8: Carroll is going to really like hearing that about John
Speaker 8: spy Tech's ideas and his methodology over the years and
Speaker 8: first of all, determining what personality and what ethos your
Speaker 8: team actually has, and then supplementing or pruning where you
Speaker 8: need to. That's been the trademark element of those Bucks teams,
Speaker 8: between Tom Brady and Baker Mayfield and really continuing to
Speaker 8: stay in contention.
Speaker 1: Spy Tech mentioned Brady and Baker specifically saying, yeah, we
Speaker 1: want to build through the draft, but we also will
Speaker 1: have our eyes open to guys who could come in
Speaker 1: and help us right away. And they were talking about
Speaker 1: the quarterback position and that did send alarm bells to
Speaker 1: me of like are they the Stafford team. The just
Speaker 1: the more that you see the reporting that's out there,
Speaker 1: and it's more, it's not even reporting, it's less Sneed
Speaker 1: and Sean McVay not specifically committing to him coming back
Speaker 1: like that, that's all I need. If less Sneed is
Speaker 1: not committing to Matthew Stafford being back right around the
Speaker 1: same week when they were meeting up in Cabo four
Speaker 1: years ago or whenever.
Speaker 5: It was, it's this week.
Speaker 2: It was this week.
Speaker 1: Then, when you think about the supply and demand that
Speaker 1: is out there, like Stafford would get them a decent pick,
Speaker 1: I think they He would absolutely have a market. He
Speaker 1: would be the bell of the ball and the Raiders
Speaker 1: would be an interesting spot.
Speaker 4: All right. I just want to say that in terms
Speaker 4: of if you were doing power rankings of head coaches,
Speaker 4: the AFC West is absolutely stacked with personalities.
Speaker 7: Now the fact that you love it so much.
Speaker 4: Meet Carol, Jim Harvell, Sean Payton, I mean, it's so
Speaker 4: so so good.
Speaker 7: I'm man, I don't know if seen to read.
Speaker 5: I remember, what's your deal?
Speaker 2: You guys?
Speaker 6: Do you think like people under the age of twenty
Speaker 6: five are aware?
Speaker 2: No, give him the context, give him the context.
Speaker 6: I mean the context is Jim Harbon, Pete Carroll, freaking
Speaker 6: hated each other's guts going back to college, and then
Speaker 6: it translated into the NFL and for really the early
Speaker 6: Russell Wilson years for like four and then especially when
Speaker 6: Colin Kaepernick was the quarterback at the Niners.
Speaker 5: The Niners and the Seahawks hated each other.
Speaker 6: And it wasn't just like history, and it wasn't just
Speaker 6: the fans. I've talked to the players. They hated each
Speaker 6: other's guts, and the coaches hated each other's guts. And
Speaker 6: there was this when was what's your deal?
Speaker 5: What year was that?
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it now.
Speaker 1: It's after the two thousand and nine Stanford USC game,
Speaker 1: in which Harbaugh's Stanford team won by thirty four points
Speaker 1: over Pete Carroll yikes.
Speaker 2: And then and then he goes, what's your deal? It's
Speaker 2: on look at it.
Speaker 1: It's the best part here, And I forgot about this
Speaker 1: part is that immediately Harbad just like dismisses him and
Speaker 1: turns away, and Carol like follows him as if he's
Speaker 1: gonna like like, he just stays on him, and eventually
Speaker 1: he just he just gives up. That is so good,
Speaker 1: that so much he goes.
Speaker 6: I love the attention again when the Niners and the
Speaker 6: Seahawks were rivals, ultimately like culminating one of the best
Speaker 6: NFC championship games of all time. The tip like after
Speaker 6: every game and Harball, I think Carrol's record.
Speaker 5: Against him was you know, he beat him a lot.
Speaker 6: With Russell Wilson, he just looks so mad.
Speaker 5: For every game.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 7: I think so.
Speaker 8: I think that divisions are better with coaching beef.
Speaker 2: Yes, and like for Andy Reid to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the most successful at least at the in the
Speaker 1: NFL level of the four, but by are the lowest
Speaker 1: ego the three. Not that there's anything wrong with Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll and An Harbaugh and Sean Payton all believing in themselves.
Speaker 1: They absolutely should. Those games are going to be in
Speaker 1: prime time. They're gonna be great. I think there's gonna
Speaker 1: be more Jets games in primetime because the NFL is
Speaker 1: not afraid to put a Jets team in primetime. We'll
Speaker 1: find out about the quarterback situation there, but I'm going
Speaker 1: Jets as my number two team. In terms of vibes
Speaker 1: in the building, Aaron Glenn gives great press conference. He's
Speaker 1: couldn't be a more popular pick. I think for Jets
Speaker 1: fans man. He said all the right things. It was
Speaker 1: like a perfect best man speech. It was so short,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what you want to do. Like
Speaker 1: he just nailed it.
Speaker 2: It was short.
Speaker 1: They actually didn't even allow that many questions, and they
Speaker 1: let him break apart and they did the local stuff separately.
Speaker 1: But it was awesome. Let's listen to Aaron Glenn talking
Speaker 1: to the media.
Speaker 7: Put your seatbelt zone and get ready for the ride.
Speaker 2: Put your seatbet zone and get ready for the ride.
Speaker 9: Listen.
Speaker 10: There are going to be some challenges, but with challenges
Speaker 10: become opportunity is opportunity.
Speaker 2: But here's what I do know.
Speaker 11: We're the freaking New York Jets.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, And they put that up on the back
Speaker 1: page of the New York Daily News. It's one of
Speaker 1: the things I missed about living in New York is
Speaker 1: just seeing the back page every day and it's just
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn saying, we're the freaking New York Jets.
Speaker 2: We're built for this, Yes, And I.
Speaker 1: Just like they could not have picked a more popular
Speaker 1: head coach. And I really loved Before I get your thoughts, Colleen,
Speaker 1: let's start with you. I really loved I was watching
Speaker 1: how the owners were involved with with all of these,
Speaker 1: Like Mark davis quick introduction just got to the thing
Speaker 1: Whatny Johnson talked way too long. But he has said
Speaker 1: two reporters after the fact that he's learned some things,
Speaker 1: that he's made some mistakes, and at least he's saying
Speaker 1: publicly that he's going to take a step back maybe
Speaker 1: and let Aaron Glenn and their new GM Darren Mujie
Speaker 1: start taking charge of this organization.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about this? Hired Colleen Well.
Speaker 4: I love Aaron Glenn. Here the Jets choose him for
Speaker 4: select him for a second time. The first time was
Speaker 4: first round in the draft. Now he comes back as
Speaker 4: a head coach and he brings that whole Dan Campbell vibe.
Speaker 4: We saw it with Ben Johnson too, just like I
Speaker 4: don't know what that is, but it rubbed off on
Speaker 4: both of them. And I don't know if Aaron Glenn
Speaker 4: was just always like that, and same thing with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 7: But he's perfect for New York.
Speaker 4: He handled all of the reporters and all of the
Speaker 4: questions so well, and that's so important because it's almost
Speaker 4: like you get tested right away, like when you're in
Speaker 4: a new environment. It's true for anything. Anyone starting a
Speaker 4: new job at any point or hanging out with new people,
Speaker 4: you kind of like get tested by the group to
Speaker 4: see how far they can go.
Speaker 7: Are you going to break? And he did not. He's
Speaker 7: like he's.
Speaker 4: Perfect, And I can't wait for the Aaron Aaron conversation
Speaker 4: to happen with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Well, they asked him quite a bit about that and
Speaker 1: he just said it will be time.
Speaker 2: I'm open to it.
Speaker 1: We have spoken with Aaron Rodgers that all seems positive.
Speaker 2: If you want to keep Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Yes, they were able to reach him on like the
Speaker 1: Packers at this point in the year win. I think
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers might take it as a win if they
Speaker 1: wanted to keep him. But we won't know about that
Speaker 1: probably for a little bit. What do you think.
Speaker 5: It's a small thing, but it actually does matter.
Speaker 8: And I know there's going to be like some my
Speaker 8: roles from listeners being like, Eh, it's not that big deal.
Speaker 8: I've had conversations with people who have been either in
Speaker 8: the OC job the DC job it didn't work out
Speaker 8: and they kind of reflecting, or the head coach job
Speaker 8: it doesn't work out and they're kind of reflecting on, like, Ah,
Speaker 8: what should I have done differently?
Speaker 5: What would I have done?
Speaker 8: How could i've reset the path or really started out
Speaker 8: as strong as possible. And one of those things, particularly
Speaker 8: in that market, is having that little side scrum with
Speaker 8: the reporters, getting FaceTime away from the main live stream
Speaker 8: the TV broadcast, and really getting that time with the
Speaker 8: people who are going to be looking at you in
Speaker 8: that room and asking you questions about you single day.
Speaker 8: And I know people go, oh, the media, you know,
Speaker 8: it's not whatever, but that actually does matter. Winning those
Speaker 8: people over first of all, but also connecting with them
Speaker 8: immediately and setting a tone and setting a standard that
Speaker 8: is super super important. And it actually is one of
Speaker 8: the things that you hear if the jobs you know
Speaker 8: of people going back and self scouting if it doesn't
Speaker 8: work out like I wish I would have. It's not
Speaker 8: a given that those asides happen. In so many places,
Speaker 8: including in Los Angeles, those asides do not happen, and
Speaker 8: so I think that that is super super important that
Speaker 8: he did that because he wanted to be directly in
Speaker 8: the mix with all of them, similar to how he
Speaker 8: must have been constantly in scrums when he's a player
Speaker 8: and say this is the standard. We are going to
Speaker 8: talk directly face to face as people, and this is
Speaker 8: what I'm about, and I need to show you that
Speaker 8: with looking in your eyes right now.
Speaker 6: I really like that point because I think people hear that,
Speaker 6: and they are probably some folks first responsible. Well, of
Speaker 6: course the reporter likes it when the coach talks to
Speaker 6: reporters and treats them humans, But that's not what you're saying.
Speaker 6: Like it speaks to a level of emotional intelligence and
Speaker 6: just iq generally in terms of managing human beings. That
Speaker 6: is so important in being a head coach. It's not
Speaker 6: specifically about the media. It's about how he is managing
Speaker 6: what is a very precarious situation. I was impressed with
Speaker 6: the way he handled the Rogers stuff, Coline, you talked
Speaker 6: about like just even addressing it. He could have been
Speaker 6: really defensive or weird or vague about it. He was
Speaker 6: just like, we're going to talk figure it out. Which
Speaker 6: is I believe accurate to the situation.
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 6: I don't know, I you know, I have my own
Speaker 6: thoughts about that, but I don't think that they've had
Speaker 6: their minds made up completely thoughts.
Speaker 5: I think they should move on from him.
Speaker 6: That's my Financially, if they keep him, they're going to
Speaker 6: be tied for another there's a huge, huge, huge financial hit,
Speaker 6: not just this year, the next year. I also just
Speaker 6: think the vibe shift is necessary. You got to do
Speaker 6: what it takes keep Garrett Wilson happy if I'm the Jets.
Speaker 6: So that's my take. But let's just like not beat around.
Speaker 6: Like the most shocking and perhaps impressive part, he sounds
Speaker 6: genuine happy to be a gh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeh. Was not a foreguy conclusion with this team.
Speaker 6: Like when was the last time someone said we're the
Speaker 6: freaking New York Jets in a positive quantitation and we
Speaker 6: all believed it, Like even the backside of New yorkot.
Speaker 6: I'm like, wow, that actually, like you could read this
Speaker 6: as a negative if it was coming from anyone else.
Speaker 5: But he really seems happy to be there.
Speaker 1: He really stressed that too, that this was the only
Speaker 1: job that he wanted that he made sure to schedule
Speaker 1: those second interviews with it. I think it was the
Speaker 1: Saints specifically after the Jets, because this is where he
Speaker 1: wanted to go and just talked about how he loved
Speaker 1: being there. As a player, and you just can't write
Speaker 1: the story of him being there before. And I think
Speaker 1: I think it's a good spot. They it's different than
Speaker 1: it's been lately. They announced structurally he reports directly to
Speaker 1: the owner and the new GM, Darren Mugie, who great
Speaker 1: job at Darren Mujie, who didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: pizaz at the podium. You don't blame him his first
Speaker 1: spot there, like he was completely ignored, like and he
Speaker 1: loved it. He literally got one question at the press
Speaker 1: conference and he's like the new general manager of the Jets,
Speaker 1: and the one story he told was terrible. He talked
Speaker 1: about how impressive Aaron Glenn was in this interview with
Speaker 1: the Broncos back in twenty twenty two that when they
Speaker 1: were interviewing him, they were like, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: say to you know, the team on your first day?
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, you want me to do it now?
Speaker 1: And he said he was the only coach that was
Speaker 1: like yeah, sure, And he actually did the first day
Speaker 1: speech in the and the whole room was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this guy is amazing, like and it really
Speaker 1: stuck with us. And then I'm like, yeah, bro, but
Speaker 1: you you hired Nathaniel Hackett. That is not a good
Speaker 1: end to the story, like you totally botched it.
Speaker 2: But I thought that.
Speaker 1: I thought he's gonna have a lot of power. I
Speaker 1: think Aaron Glenn and I like he got Darren Rizzy there.
Speaker 1: Darren Rizzy was at the Ponium coach Rizz is with
Speaker 1: him in New York. And yes, I have to think
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn actually had an impact on Woody Johnson saying
Speaker 1: the words quote, I have to look in the mirror
Speaker 1: and be a better owner. I've covered, I've covered, I've
Speaker 1: watched the Jets for twenty plus years.
Speaker 2: That is new.
Speaker 8: You have not heard Jerry Jones say that.
Speaker 2: No, just saying good teas.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll be back talking
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys, and yes, the Jaguars after.
Speaker 2: The break.
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, And yes, we're talking about all
Speaker 1: the new head coaching hires and the press conferences, ordering
Speaker 1: them by vibes. We'll also talk a little coordinator talk afterwards.
Speaker 1: But number three and vibes was Liam Cohen. I would
Speaker 1: say with the Jaguars, everyone's everyone's seeing the clip that's
Speaker 1: done around.
Speaker 2: All right, let's start with.
Speaker 11: That Jacksonville, the community. How do we do this together?
Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, I've seen this like one hundred times obviously,
Speaker 6: I think we all have.
Speaker 5: It's the facial movement that's the problem.
Speaker 6: I've realized it because I think in audio forma, if
Speaker 6: it just closed my eyes, it doesn't sound as bad.
Speaker 2: You guys agree, absolutely, it's the but You'm good. It's
Speaker 2: the way he makes you feel when he's moving his.
Speaker 7: Face that is Okay, I have to say no.
Speaker 8: So I covered Liam, right, and so okay, every Thursday
Speaker 8: coordinators would do the press conference.
Speaker 7: This has bit.
Speaker 8: I mean like he at least he was himself, you know,
Speaker 8: like this is been Lee, this is him, this is Liim.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So Liam I said this.
Speaker 8: When I said this, when he got in the room
Speaker 8: with Baker, right, I was like, oh I love this
Speaker 8: personality fit what a ViBe's room that is right there,
Speaker 8: and it's sort of elemental to like Liam is. He's like,
Speaker 8: remind you you know those the guy that like runs
Speaker 8: the surf shop at the beach and is like, really
Speaker 8: you can do as a chiller. You've never done this, yeah,
Speaker 8: like you've never done this before in your life? Stand
Speaker 8: up on a surfboard, like you got this and you
Speaker 8: actually and.
Speaker 5: You actually do it?
Speaker 8: You I think that's where and and it is like
Speaker 8: we got to get that guy to stop moving his
Speaker 8: head so much, I think.
Speaker 5: But also like it is he is such a vibe.
Speaker 7: It is so a head coach.
Speaker 8: He was as an oc as an oc in Tampa
Speaker 8: Bay with Baker Mayfield specifically, I cannot think of a
Speaker 8: more perfect vibes compliment to each other, because you got
Speaker 8: this really heck and fired up kid, not kid now,
Speaker 8: but Baker Mayfield, who we know is just like so
Speaker 8: much dip on his chip at all times. And then
Speaker 8: you've got Liam Cohen.
Speaker 2: And the longer I watched it, the more comfortable.
Speaker 1: I thought that was maybe more awkwardness, but maybe that
Speaker 1: is just he always is a litle I have.
Speaker 8: A post on my of him talking about playing complimentary
Speaker 8: football on my that it's still on my Instagram account
Speaker 8: and he goes, we actually played complimentary football, and I'm like,
Speaker 8: it's just him, that's wo.
Speaker 1: And he got more comfortable as the press conference went on,
Speaker 1: and it was a totally find press conference and the
Speaker 1: vibeses actually in the room.
Speaker 2: I think we're quite high jack.
Speaker 4: We shall have him on the next the next time
Speaker 4: we do. Things were getting too high on I think
Speaker 4: that maybe we should talk.
Speaker 2: To him then.
Speaker 1: That was a controversial segment that we did and I
Speaker 1: don't know if it'll be brought back, but I would
Speaker 1: love Liam Cohen would fit on.
Speaker 5: That maybe sometime in April. And I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: The day people were people were happy, like people there
Speaker 1: happy that they got him, like that was their guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I thought as I watched the whole thing, it
Speaker 1: was a totally normal press conference. It was a little
Speaker 1: awkward when they were asking him about leaving Tampa, and
Speaker 1: I didn't really buy what he was selling there about that.
Speaker 1: He just didn't answer the questions and was like it
Speaker 1: was a great opportunity and it's just all about the
Speaker 1: people here and it's like, no bro like the like.
Speaker 1: He basically he completely denied that Trent Balki getting fired
Speaker 1: had anything to do with him event taking the job, which,
Speaker 1: right so got a little bit like a lie, but
Speaker 1: also a normal coaching lie that I didn't really care about.
Speaker 1: In the room, I think they were all excited. Are
Speaker 1: you excited, Mina about the Liam Cohen era in Jacksonville?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think I really liked the football fit. So let's
Speaker 5: start there.
Speaker 6: I mean, Jordan just talked about the work he did
Speaker 6: with Baker Mayfield, which is I think.
Speaker 5: You know why, I think we can all safely say
Speaker 5: why he has that job.
Speaker 6: But what struck me watching the Bucks offense this see
Speaker 6: her was just how quarterback friendly it was. Baker always
Speaker 6: had good answers quickly. He played the fastest football of
Speaker 6: his career in terms of time to throw. And then
Speaker 6: the run game. You know, some of the lot I
Speaker 6: had to do with the investment they made on the
Speaker 6: offensive line, no doubt, but you saw that run game
Speaker 6: evolve over the course of the season in a way
Speaker 6: that suited the talent of the players. And when I
Speaker 6: look at Jacksonville and I think about this offense, you
Speaker 6: can't run the football well. You had a quarterback who
Speaker 6: at one point was playing like a top five quarterback,
Speaker 6: even though it was just two years ago. Nobody remembers
Speaker 6: it when he was playing fast. It feels like a
Speaker 6: good match between what we saw for the Bucks offense
Speaker 6: and what we know you need to get out of
Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence in the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Baker reportedly told him not even reportedly Liam
Speaker 1: Cohen said it Baker was one of the people he
Speaker 1: talked to in this weird process.
Speaker 2: In Baker was like, go get it, Go get that job.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you know the Bucks front
Speaker 1: office was feeling the same. I definitely heard reportedly not yeah,
Speaker 1: that the Bucks front office and the Bucks ownership was
Speaker 1: not thrilled because they thought they had a verbal agreement
Speaker 1: that was going to make him the highest paid coordinator,
Speaker 1: and he was part of that agreement was he wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to even take a second interview, and then he
Speaker 1: goes without telling him.
Speaker 2: I don't really care about all that stuff. In the end.
Speaker 1: Coaches do that sort of stuff all the time. They
Speaker 1: do it to players. It's not great, it's not ideal,
Speaker 1: but I like it. I don't like the setup that
Speaker 1: he has. I'm a little worried about everything beyond the
Speaker 1: play calling, which I thought was fantastic last year, Like
Speaker 1: it was so exciting. He was that kind of hot
Speaker 1: coreator that is going to bring I think a schematic
Speaker 1: advantage if he can bring that over what he did
Speaker 1: in Tampa. I don't know who the GM is going
Speaker 1: to be there, but here's what they didn't do in
Speaker 1: that press conference, they didn't deny that Tony Boselli is
Speaker 1: like quietly running the team, just a former player who
Speaker 1: does the radio there and has Shod Khan's ear what
Speaker 1: and like Trent Balki's not there anymore, and he was
Speaker 1: the guy who kind of had Shot Cohn's ear, And
Speaker 1: they asked him, like, is Bacelli, who I think was
Speaker 1: the most important person in this head coaching search by
Speaker 1: the sound of it, what type of job he has?
Speaker 1: And Shod Kan's answer was, well, we have to check
Speaker 1: with the league what we're allowed to do, but he
Speaker 1: will have some sort of position, So I'm not sure
Speaker 1: on the personnel side and the organizational side. The Jaguars
Speaker 1: have been pretty bad for the most part for a
Speaker 1: while and there are systemic reasons for that and that
Speaker 1: he might be pushing against that.
Speaker 8: Liam Cohen, yeah, also his agent played for the Jaguars
Speaker 8: once time briefly, but stayed connected with the organization, so
Speaker 8: there's obviously a knowledge of how it works there and
Speaker 8: how now everything is structured, and a clear understanding of
Speaker 8: really what you're getting into. If you're Liam Cohen, this
Speaker 8: is going to be interesting to me because when I
Speaker 8: watched his offense in Tampa Bay this year, which I loved,
Speaker 8: absolutely loved it, wouldn't shut up about it.
Speaker 5: You know this well, Greg and Collen, But.
Speaker 8: I saw shades and variations of the Rams offense from
Speaker 8: previous iterations of that offense before, you know, Kevin O'Connell
Speaker 8: came in and changed the things, and then before Michael
Speaker 8: Floor and Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford changed even more
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. And I
Speaker 8: saw a Chris Godwin who was being deployed a lot
Speaker 8: like Cooper Cup in the Z role, but in a
Speaker 8: very much expanded version of what another team would call
Speaker 8: a slot receiver, being able to do a lot of
Speaker 8: things autonomously. Really saw his target share increase. I saw
Speaker 8: a better run game than the Rams had had when
Speaker 8: Liam Cohen was the OC for LA in twenty twenty
Speaker 8: two and only twenty twenty two. And I also saw
Speaker 8: that they had a great offensive line. To your point, Mina,
Speaker 8: and these are all things. You know, he's going to
Speaker 8: have a really great offensive line as well. He's got
Speaker 8: the quarterback in Trevor Lawrence. I've always wanted to see
Speaker 8: Trevor Lawrence in this type of system. For me, though,
Speaker 8: and I've sort of said it seemed like Liam was
Speaker 8: pretty open all year about the fact that.
Speaker 5: Maybe he was a year away.
Speaker 8: I think this is a really friendly market to onboard
Speaker 8: as a head coach as in that division. Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 8: And also it's a and like you have an O
Speaker 8: line and you have a quarter.
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think they feel like they
Speaker 2: have an O line necessarily.
Speaker 5: But I think pieces of it right.
Speaker 8: But I also think that for me, this is going
Speaker 8: to be what does the next version of this offense
Speaker 8: look like after you put on tape, what probably is
Speaker 8: going to look functional and cohesive in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: I have no doubt that they'll come out firing.
Speaker 8: Nobody's going to know really what to expect from Trevor
Speaker 8: Lawrence in this system, and they'll put enough pieces around.
Speaker 8: But similar to like a Bobby Slowick after one year
Speaker 8: trying to move this offense into the next phase even
Speaker 8: though he had not actually been part of the process
Speaker 8: of doing that, I'm very curious as to what Liam
Speaker 8: Cohen is going to do beyond this year, what his
Speaker 8: offenses are going to look like in the two point
Speaker 8: zh three point oh four point zero versions of what
Speaker 8: Kyle Shanahan of what Sean mcfay, who he specifically the
Speaker 8: latter was very connected to in his press conference and
Speaker 8: thanking him for his guidance and all of that. And
Speaker 8: so I'm curious about what that's going to look like
Speaker 8: after they come out hot, probably in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 8: What is two point oh three point oh? How do
Speaker 8: you evolve this forward? If you're Liam Cohen? To me,
Speaker 8: that's what this job actually is.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Is he is?
Speaker 8: He?
Speaker 2: Like the leader of men type of guy too?
Speaker 1: Is something I'm thinking about, like and just being able
Speaker 1: to organize an entire organization that's going to need some organizing.
Speaker 5: You weren't convinced by the Duval?
Speaker 8: You can do agree?
Speaker 1: Well, you know what he what's underrated about part of that?
Speaker 1: And let's get to the cowboys after this, But let's
Speaker 1: listen to one more time. It's the intro to it.
Speaker 1: I'm glad because the four second clip that went around
Speaker 1: Twitter for the most part and Blue Sky it was
Speaker 1: just the Duval. But I really like that it kind
Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere that you can almost hear
Speaker 1: what the PR director said to him right before he
Speaker 1: got on the podium about talking about Jacksonville and the
Speaker 1: community's let's listen.
Speaker 11: Again, Jacksonville the community, douvall, how do we do this together?
Speaker 4: And his eyebrows, he's got the eyebrows that kind of
Speaker 4: switched during it too. I got it.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville the community as time wears on is becoming a
Speaker 1: bigger and better part of that. For me, it's really
Speaker 1: like an underrated gem. I had a whole other normal quote.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about going out there to.
Speaker 2: Show that it was actually pretty good.
Speaker 1: It actually was totally fine. It was a totally good,
Speaker 1: normal press conference. It was not Adam Gase with the Jets.
Speaker 2: I promise I watched the wow because that was a time.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Imagine though, if he had hit him with like we're
Speaker 6: going to take it to the limits, like a little
Speaker 6: real throwback.
Speaker 5: I do want to plan who would have won over
Speaker 5: the internet? Yeah?
Speaker 8: True, I do want to say, though, it's it's interesting
Speaker 8: the juxtaposition. I wonder what you guys think about this.
Speaker 8: Between Ben Johnson's opening press conference when he adamantly and
Speaker 8: very specifically was like, I don't care that I you know,
Speaker 8: I never had a famous last name. I didn't I
Speaker 8: wasn't basically making these sort of references not so subtly
Speaker 8: to the mcveigh's, the Shanahan's saying overtly who wants to
Speaker 8: beat Kubiak's saying overtly he couldn't. He enjoyed Matt Lafleur specifically.
Speaker 8: I think that the juxtaposition was very interesting to me
Speaker 8: because you know, Liam Cohen came out and was like
Speaker 8: very Sean McVay heavy, right, And so I think that juxtaposition,
Speaker 8: I'm just I'm I'm tracking it.
Speaker 1: Yes, Liam Liam Cohen made a point over and over
Speaker 1: to give Sean McVay a ton of credit, saying like
Speaker 1: he would be honored to be considered part of that tree,
Speaker 1: and that that was graduate school and his whole life
Speaker 1: was changed by being in the RAMS building and was
Speaker 1: loving up his old boss. Let's go to Dallas where
Speaker 1: yes it's fourth and vibes because Brian Schottenheimer was very
Speaker 1: happy to be there and was tearful, and I thought
Speaker 1: did a good job, and I thought had a had
Speaker 1: a real head coach haircut like it was a good
Speaker 1: Shottenheimer sort of like either like haircut with kind of
Speaker 1: like like a little fate like it was good.
Speaker 9: It was.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, all right. He was great, he was emotional,
Speaker 1: he did what he could. But his bosses, Jerry and
Speaker 1: Steven Jones, were so incredibly defensive that it felt like
Speaker 1: the whole press conference was settling scores. And the tone
Speaker 1: was set early even by the reaction that that they
Speaker 1: got starting the press conference.
Speaker 2: It's our new Dallas Cowboys head coach, Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 7: This is amazing.
Speaker 1: And chief operating an officer, executive vice president, player of
Speaker 1: personnel and co owner.
Speaker 2: Stephen Jones, all.
Speaker 6: Right, we'll clap for you.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like a strange hire from the outside looking in,
Speaker 1: because people aren't excited about what they've seen out of
Speaker 1: Brian schottenheimer offenses. And I do believe he is planning
Speaker 1: to call plays, by the way, Aaron Glenn is not
Speaker 1: going to call places. Liam Cohen is going to call plays.
Speaker 1: If we're tracking that, I think Brian Scheinenheimer could be
Speaker 1: a better head coach than he was an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: They actually made a fairly compelling case once you got
Speaker 1: past a lot of the.
Speaker 2: Just defend Jerry.
Speaker 1: I actually think I think that they made a compelling
Speaker 1: enough case that they wanted to have continuity and a
Speaker 1: change at the same time, which is confusing. But the
Speaker 1: case that he made that like, look, we've never met
Speaker 1: these people. Want us to bring guys from out of
Speaker 1: the building and hire them, and we've never met them,
Speaker 1: and that seems crazy to me.
Speaker 5: That's part of the point.
Speaker 2: I do get that, But I also.
Speaker 1: Kind of get that that seems crazy to them too,
Speaker 1: because that's not how like most businesses work. And I
Speaker 1: don't think that's that crazy that you could have a
Speaker 1: broad spectrum of people that you at least know within
Speaker 1: the NFL and you would have a feeling and he's
Speaker 1: in your building every day. I don't think like that's
Speaker 1: necessarily that crazy of a way to hire a coach.
Speaker 1: It's more of the Schottenheimer of it all.
Speaker 2: Mena.
Speaker 1: And you watched him as the offensive coordinator in Seattle.
Speaker 1: He was up and down there. He's had some pretty
Speaker 1: rough years as a coordinator. He's had some okay years.
Speaker 2: What did you make of all this? And that he's
Speaker 2: getting his first chance here at each.
Speaker 5: He's no longer just Brian. He's the head coach of
Speaker 5: the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6: Jerry said, I guess the familiarity thing I think would
Speaker 6: resonate with me more if it was a successful organization
Speaker 6: and you could say, well, the Cowboys have been successful recently,
Speaker 6: but you know, the offense felt really stale last year,
Speaker 6: even before Dek Prescott got hurt, it has felt like this.
Speaker 6: This is I think there are some teams where you're like,
Speaker 6: I understand why they're sticking with got someone in the
Speaker 6: organization maybe, or someone people are excited about.
Speaker 5: This is not one of those teams.
Speaker 6: This is a team that I thought felt like really
Speaker 6: needed to be shook up in some ways, and they
Speaker 6: went in the obvious office direction.
Speaker 5: Pardon me.
Speaker 6: I did find something very interesting about what Schottenheimer said, though,
Speaker 6: and I'm curious to hear you.
Speaker 5: Guys' thoughts on this.
Speaker 6: He when he spoke, and he was I thought, fine
Speaker 6: and normal and presented well, but he was oddly specific
Speaker 6: about the offense.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys heard that part. He
Speaker 5: is not the great buzz words.
Speaker 6: Yes, he was like, we're gonna use cut splitsend motion
Speaker 6: and we're going to improve the run, and I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 5: First of all, that never happens, right, That's why it
Speaker 5: jumped out to me. Usually it's buckle up your seat belts.
Speaker 6: You know, this is Jet's football, is much more normal,
Speaker 6: but also made me think he might be distancing himself
Speaker 6: from the Mike McCarthy offense because you guys, remember he
Speaker 6: didn't call plays. McCarthy took over play calling after Kellen
Speaker 6: Moore left. So I do wonder if Schoenheimer is trying
Speaker 6: to signal, hey, we're going to go in a different
Speaker 6: direction here, and if I was a Cowboys fan, that
Speaker 6: might be the glimmer of hope I'm finding in all
Speaker 6: of this. Maybe because Greg you talked about like John
Speaker 6: in Seattle, he did call an incredibly explosive offense that
Speaker 6: kind of hit a wall for a litany of reasons.
Speaker 6: But there's a possibility that we might not have seen
Speaker 6: from him the kind of offense he actually wants to call.
Speaker 1: In Dallas, Supposedly, Clayton Adams of the Cardinals is the
Speaker 1: favorite to be the offensive coordinator. And Clayton Adams is
Speaker 1: one of those guys who's kind of known as a
Speaker 1: run game you know, creative savant. He's an offensive line coach,
Speaker 1: which is an interesting thought and very creative and has
Speaker 1: a great reputation as kind of one of those guys.
Speaker 1: And yeah, to your point, I think that would be
Speaker 1: introg resting. And then you have Eberflus. Is that probably
Speaker 1: going to be the defensive court. It's not the higher yet,
Speaker 1: like you better be careful heartedly alleged I believe it.
Speaker 2: Edward or your old co.
Speaker 1: Put it out that they are hiring him, and then
Speaker 1: like minutes later Edwarder put out another two It was like, actually,
Speaker 1: they have to comply to the Rooney rule. They are
Speaker 1: learning now and they will be interviewing people. So that's
Speaker 1: unfortunate that it's that all seems like a sham and
Speaker 1: that Eberflus is getting that job.
Speaker 5: But that just that's that sucks.
Speaker 8: That's that's that's the other thing about the Jacksonville situation
Speaker 8: that really was grimy, like too, by the way, just
Speaker 8: to yeah, anyway, I think.
Speaker 1: What you said about the scheme specific stuff was interesting, Munich,
Speaker 1: because I really got the sense that Dak Prescott had
Speaker 1: a big role in this hiring.
Speaker 2: He's very close to Schottenheimer.
Speaker 1: Well, Jerry Jones and Schottenheimer kind of talked about how
Speaker 1: much support Dak caster for him. He talked a lot
Speaker 1: about tempo very specifically, like we want to be a
Speaker 1: tempo team, and it's Dak Prescott's team.
Speaker 2: And Jerry was.
Speaker 1: Funny though, just talking about like, well, when I was
Speaker 1: in the meeting and it would be sad in there
Speaker 1: on a lot of those Mondays, but then someone in
Speaker 1: the corner would say something.
Speaker 2: I'd say like, oh, yeah, that's a pretty good point.
Speaker 2: Who was that? And it was my guys shotting.
Speaker 7: He also called him a puppy. He's fifty years old.
Speaker 4: He's a puppy, So I mean that makes Pete Carroll
Speaker 4: look pretty young as well, just a young dog at
Speaker 4: that point. But the continuity, I think is important because
Speaker 4: those relationships are already in place. And Brian Schottenheimer has
Speaker 4: been waiting for an opun intended his shot for a
Speaker 4: while now, and he even said that he was not
Speaker 4: ready years ago, and of course he's gonna say now
Speaker 4: he is. But think about all of the notes that
Speaker 4: he's been taking and just watching how everything works in
Speaker 4: that building and probably noting anything that is dysfunctional and
Speaker 4: knows what needs to be changed. Now it's a matter
Speaker 4: of will they have the resources to actually do the
Speaker 4: things that need to be done and will it work.
Speaker 7: Does he have the right ideas he is like.
Speaker 1: A people person that is better maybe at that aspect
Speaker 1: of the job, which is kind of what the cowboys
Speaker 1: job is, because they have so little power. Like you
Speaker 1: were hearing, Mike McCarthy essentially complained he didn't have enough
Speaker 1: power over his own schemes some of the times, like
Speaker 1: so that's a that's a rough situation.
Speaker 2: Let's actually let's listen to one thing. Jerry said that
Speaker 2: he liked.
Speaker 1: About Brian Schottenheimer, like, you know, sometimes it's cool to
Speaker 1: have a guy who's been around the block.
Speaker 10: I like his baggage. I like his baggage.
Speaker 9: I like that experience.
Speaker 10: And one of the things he said to his mama is, Mama,
Speaker 10: I'm gonna get what daddy didn't get a chance to get.
Speaker 10: Got a chance but didn't get it, and I'm going
Speaker 10: to go to souper Bowl if it kills me. And
Speaker 10: his mother, of course, was emotional. This one will be
Speaker 10: for daddy, The first one will be for him.
Speaker 8: I appreciate Shoddy's facial expressions through that entire like, I
Speaker 8: felt he struck the right balance between uncomfortable, appreciative, and
Speaker 8: stoic all at the same time.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of Mommy, Mama and daddy and
Speaker 1: it was a lot of crying and it reminded me
Speaker 1: so much Mina of that that land Man speech.
Speaker 2: The whole thing it was all about Daddy. I was
Speaker 2: actually moved. I was like, do it for Marty, you can.
Speaker 6: I mean, Jerry Jones probably says daddy on a daily
Speaker 6: basis more than any of us.
Speaker 2: They're comfortable.
Speaker 6: Sorry, I don't know this, you know what watching we
Speaker 6: aired that a lot of the Jerry presser and there's
Speaker 6: other parts where he's basically he's just nagging him.
Speaker 2: Half the time was.
Speaker 5: The head coach not much of him?
Speaker 6: He kept saying, this is the biggest risk I've ever
Speaker 6: taken a man without head coaching experience.
Speaker 5: We were like, that literally happens all the time.
Speaker 6: It felt like, have you guys ever been at a
Speaker 6: wedding where like the brother in law or someone's giving
Speaker 6: a toast and it's like fifteen minutes in and they're
Speaker 6: still like he's a real piece of shit?
Speaker 5: Are you going to get to like the nice stuff soon?
Speaker 6: Like he cheated on his last girlfriend, he didn't even
Speaker 6: finish college. Mom and dad hated him, and you're just
Speaker 6: sitting there like, oh my God, because it's gonna turn
Speaker 6: positive at some point.
Speaker 5: That's how I felt watching.
Speaker 7: That a full roast.
Speaker 5: Can't wait for Tim Wolfe's wedding.
Speaker 10: It was, it was, it is.
Speaker 2: It was sort of the opposite of what I said
Speaker 2: with the Jets.
Speaker 1: Remember I said that was like fifteen minutes long and
Speaker 1: the opening speech was short, and the Cowboys thing went
Speaker 1: on for like eighty minutes.
Speaker 2: I made this thing.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna work while having these on
Speaker 1: in the background. I was like, I gotta get on
Speaker 1: with my day. Jerry, it's like still going. We had
Speaker 1: to go off on NFL network like it'd been too long.
Speaker 8: That's pretty classic of when he holds court at the
Speaker 8: league meetings too. He'll say multiple, make multiple points, and
Speaker 8: then counter his points and then make a new point.
Speaker 8: You have to stay the whole time to make sure
Speaker 8: you get the full picture of what it was. He
Speaker 8: just holds you hostage. Yeah, and he knows it. He
Speaker 8: holds court like he has the floor and not surprised
Speaker 8: to see the acting chops by the way. For that reason,
Speaker 8: So this I had a buzzword that really like set
Speaker 8: off a flare in my brain, and I did you
Speaker 8: just I just went back and I remembered some of
Speaker 8: the shots of his face when the Green Bay Packers
Speaker 8: put up forty eight points on him, and when shot
Speaker 8: he said, marry the run and the pass. That is
Speaker 8: something that I remember when Matt Lafleur was first kind
Speaker 8: of getting his feet under him, and then further after him,
Speaker 8: Kevin O'Connell was getting his feet under him. The talk
Speaker 8: and the conversation about marriage of the run in the past,
Speaker 8: specifically as it pertains to making everything look the same
Speaker 8: run or pass out of the same pre snap looks,
Speaker 8: getting your motions and your timing correct on those running
Speaker 8: play action and getting your passing game deployed out of
Speaker 8: establishing play action. I just thought back when he said
Speaker 8: that to Jerry Jones, his face and there were many
Speaker 8: shots of him sitting up there as his team got
Speaker 8: their butts kicked by an offense that does that extremely
Speaker 8: well and is known for that type of thing, and
Speaker 8: also further whose coaches are known for using that exact language.
Speaker 8: And you talked about his notes, Colleen, I have no
Speaker 8: doubt that shot he's been sitting back and taking notes
Speaker 8: over what works in the league. Now, Will he has
Speaker 8: let's go, Will you have the runway, the autonomy, the support,
Speaker 8: Will you get the play? You know, will all of
Speaker 8: it work?
Speaker 9: We don't know.
Speaker 8: We just never know with any of these guys. But
Speaker 8: that was definitely a buzzword, a flare word for me.
Speaker 1: Said, off, some let's have a quarterback. He's got Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb and Michael Parks. I mean, he's got some things.
Speaker 1: It'll he has a chance, we'll see. I'm not like
Speaker 1: writing him off. I think people have been a little
Speaker 1: too crazy just because how they've presented. It is understandably
Speaker 1: getting picked apart because is so defensive. And again it's
Speaker 1: a lot of daddy. It's a lot of wife talk too.
Speaker 1: Emica was sitting next to me while this was happening.
Speaker 1: It's too cold in the garage right now to go
Speaker 1: out there, and so I had it on.
Speaker 7: She's like, what do you mean do you usually go
Speaker 7: to the garage?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I go watch go work in the garage or whatever,
Speaker 1: and and it's a lot of like She's like, why
Speaker 1: doesn't he just tell his wife at home how much
Speaker 1: is he loves her? Why does he have to do
Speaker 1: it up there. It's a lot of wife and mom
Speaker 1: and dad talk up there.
Speaker 2: The podium.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like, hey, thanks for thanks for sticking
Speaker 1: with me when I'm never home. All right, Oh no, men,
Speaker 1: we've taken up a lot of your time. Wanna I
Speaker 1: do want to get your thoughts quickly on your new
Speaker 1: Seahawks coordinator before we let you go. That was it
Speaker 1: for the head coaching hires, but an interesting hire another
Speaker 1: familiar name. Clint Kubiak is the Seahawks offensive coordinator. Was
Speaker 1: with Minnesota and then was with the Broncos briefly was
Speaker 1: the play caller there when Nate Hackett got fired, and
Speaker 1: was with the Saints last year. Now he's going to
Speaker 1: be Gino's guy. Do we think he's the right guy
Speaker 1: to steward the next era of Gina.
Speaker 6: I just realized his brothers are Clay and Kleine, and
Speaker 6: they all all their names start with K A kub It's.
Speaker 8: A kettle of Kubiaks. I'm trying to make that stick
Speaker 8: all year.
Speaker 5: I know, right, it's like, we're to take your risks
Speaker 5: in the NFL. Brian Schwenheimer, Quent Kubiak, all.
Speaker 6: These Yeah, I think I'm optimistic, but cautiously I think
Speaker 6: the Sants offense was really hard to evaluate because of
Speaker 6: all of the injuries, obviously quarterback being primary, but really
Speaker 6: I thought they were tanked by the offensive line. And
Speaker 6: I think that's that does concern me because we all
Speaker 6: know that's the weakness of the Seattle offense. I think
Speaker 6: they're going to try to fix it this offseason, but
Speaker 6: I think that would be my biggest question is can
Speaker 6: he find a way to adapt, because you know, Duran's
Speaker 6: talking about running. Everybody wants to marry the run the past,
Speaker 6: but it's a lot harder when you can't run the football,
Speaker 6: and it's hard to run the football when you don't
Speaker 6: have a good offensive line. And this is nuke basically
Speaker 6: nuke to the Seattle offense, right and nukeda this year
Speaker 6: for Ryan Grubb who went from calling it offensive Washington
Speaker 6: with one of the best offensive lines in football to
Speaker 6: a very bad one and couldn't adjust. And I think
Speaker 6: that's gonna be the challenge for Clint Kubiak. That said,
Speaker 6: I think some of the principles he's from the Shanahan
Speaker 6: Tree shocker, I guess it's his dad is, so it's
Speaker 6: not really I.
Speaker 5: Don't even know he's from kubi X Tree.
Speaker 6: Then I guess.
Speaker 5: Literally physically he is.
Speaker 8: Keep sharing.
Speaker 2: Yes, how does that work exactly? How did the tree start?
Speaker 7: Yes, well, Jerry Jones can tell you, yeah, he kind
Speaker 7: of is the.
Speaker 4: Colleen.
Speaker 5: If you're a Kubiak, you'd be calling with a K weird,
Speaker 5: super weird.
Speaker 7: Never it's never been done. I don't think I've never
Speaker 7: seen a colleen with a K.
Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak is sort of the most direct uh baby
Speaker 1: possible because because he really because he really started with
Speaker 1: his dad, and then the organization that his dad won
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl four kind of picked him up after that,
Speaker 1: and then when he needed a better job, Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: gave it to him, because Kyle Shanahan got his first
Speaker 1: job from his dad.
Speaker 2: And now here he is in Seattle, venturing out on
Speaker 2: his own.
Speaker 8: I think there's another Kubiak still on the forty nine ers. Yep,
Speaker 8: Clay Kubiak is still on the nine ers stat too.
Speaker 6: By the way, I'm looking at photo from the same TREEA.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: If you want to hear more about the kettle of Kubiak.
Speaker 5: Wait, wait, wait, come to the no.
Speaker 4: I have one more thing for MENA Mina is Nick's
Speaker 4: family hitting you up for a ton of tickets?
Speaker 7: For the Eagles.
Speaker 6: No, but this is the thing that we can maybe
Speaker 6: end here that I wanted to say about Colleen, which
Speaker 6: is I love doing podcasts with her because.
Speaker 5: This is by far the most credibility I get with
Speaker 5: my in loss.
Speaker 6: Is when I do anything, Like most people, Yeah, like
Speaker 6: usually the number one thing I get asked about were
Speaker 6: he Andespans?
Speaker 5: Do you know Stephen A. Smith?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 6: I'm telling you though, if it's people from Philadelphia, do
Speaker 6: you know Colleen Wolf? Does she smell?
Speaker 5: Goodness?
Speaker 6: My in laws were like crazy like silver linings playbook style.
Speaker 6: Eagles fans talk about Colleen.
Speaker 2: Like like, oh, no, I love they knew her.
Speaker 6: They're like, she's come up, so there's they're like, legitimately
Speaker 6: so proud of you because you like came up through
Speaker 6: the local Philly anyway, so they're going to be so impressed.
Speaker 5: There's they think it's so cool that.
Speaker 9: I know you.
Speaker 7: That's really funny.
Speaker 4: And the fact that we lived in the same neighborhood
Speaker 4: growing up, I did, and Nick and her his family
Speaker 4: lived in the same exact like development. So yeah, kind
Speaker 4: of a small world, weird, right, It is a small
Speaker 4: I love.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Colleen is hosting Colleen's hosting me to tell them
Speaker 8: she's hosting the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: Like the Super Bowl Super I'm going to tell them.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say, but don't watch you opening day because
Speaker 6: there's a more important show going on, and you can
Speaker 6: watch it because you're in Philadelphia.
Speaker 5: If you're in LA, you're in La. Come people Live podcasts.
Speaker 5: Screw Colleen Wolf perfect.
Speaker 2: Yes, the show is I Love your in laws.
Speaker 7: Tell them I said Hi.
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Speaker 1: before we get on a flight to go down to
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Speaker 2: I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Is going to be really fun, Mina. What are we
Speaker 1: gonna do? Well, we'll have to talk about it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna make it great.
Speaker 6: Get probably get into some football. I suspect that'll be
Speaker 6: a dabble.
Speaker 2: That's a good fun.
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Speaker 6: Goodbye in the manner of Liam Combe. Dude, you're so
Speaker 6: creeped out right now right, You're so creeped out.
Speaker 1: I am creeping out. It's the movement that does it.
Speaker 1: The great mina times we will wrap up our show.
Speaker 1: We're gonna actually tie a few loose ends here, the
Speaker 1: three of us all right after. We're gonna talk like
Speaker 1: we're gonna get yep. I am surprising you a little bit.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk the coordinators just to like, I
Speaker 1: just feel weird that we haven't mentioned Robert Salad is
Speaker 1: back with the forty nine ers. That's weirdly, of all
Speaker 1: these moves, maybe the one that is going to have
Speaker 1: the most impact.
Speaker 6: I like it.
Speaker 2: Who wins the Super Bowl next year?
Speaker 1: Like of all these like, can't you imagine this time
Speaker 1: next year being like sala returned to the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers and here they are back in the big game,
Speaker 1: like they figured it all out.
Speaker 2: Like I can totally see that happening. That's kind of
Speaker 2: a massive move for them.
Speaker 7: I think the players too, are like really excited about it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're going to be fired up. I am excited
Speaker 8: about this because three years after this move has been made,
Speaker 8: something new will have been formed or shaped between the
Speaker 8: battles that practice. Those two famously got into between Kyle's
Speaker 8: offense and Bob Sola's defense, and like the clashes and
Speaker 8: the yelling and then the brainstorming that happened after that,
Speaker 8: like is legendary and new things will come out of that.
Speaker 8: I think that is what Kyle Shanahan's most looking for,
Speaker 8: if you sort of read the tea leaves in San
Speaker 8: Francisco right now, is new ideas and re finding that
Speaker 8: person who helped set you on a course with some
Speaker 8: new ideas.
Speaker 1: He sucked all the life out of Mike McDaniel and
Speaker 1: he's gone, and all you know, Robert Salah and he's
Speaker 1: got Shanahan.
Speaker 5: Horcruxy have been spread.
Speaker 2: He has been there a while.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about Kyle Shanahan when Mina said about
Speaker 1: the message getting stale, maybe a little bit for Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll it is a bit of a danger peep. Bill
Speaker 1: Barcels always thought it was like eight years.
Speaker 2: I thought was his number.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was ten years, But there is it's hard
Speaker 1: to like reinvent yourself as you go, and that's that's
Speaker 1: what they're trying to.
Speaker 7: There's a cycle.
Speaker 8: Who knows if any of us will even be alive
Speaker 8: on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's something I would say, maybe they'll hire his
Speaker 1: old friend Bobby Slowick because we hadn't mentioned that he
Speaker 1: was let go by the Texans. Not a surprising move
Speaker 1: to me based on what they looked like on paper,
Speaker 1: but is surprising in the sense that Demiko Ryans is
Speaker 1: going to be a third year head coach and his
Speaker 1: team has made the divisional round back to back years,
Speaker 1: and so you don't want to celebrate a firing. But
Speaker 1: I think that showed something from Jamiico Ryans, and I
Speaker 1: think it made sense. So we'll see who's going to
Speaker 1: be the option there. The Bears announced that their offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator is going to be a man by the name
Speaker 1: of Declan Doyle, who Ben Johnson spent time with in
Speaker 1: New Orleans in Sean Payton's staff, and Sean Payton took
Speaker 1: him to Denver.
Speaker 7: He straight from Dublin.
Speaker 1: This marriage, I don't think because his dad was a
Speaker 1: strength coach at Iowa who ran into some controversy and
Speaker 1: was fired for making racist comments. When Urban Meyer tried
Speaker 1: to hire him Jacksonville, and I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: but that's his dad. It's not Declan. For Ben Johnson
Speaker 1: to choose this guy and say that's the guy I
Speaker 1: want running eight.
Speaker 8: Years old too. He was born in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 8: My mask's probably off, but it's crazy how younger some
Speaker 8: of these coordinators are going to just.
Speaker 7: Keep getting younger and younger, and we keep.
Speaker 1: Paging Denver staff keeps getting picked apart like some position coaches.
Speaker 1: That's that's another one, Darrenmuji. I believe it is Moji.
Speaker 1: The GM of the Jets was from Denver as well,
Speaker 1: so Sean Payton. That's a that's a credit to him.
Speaker 1: And then who am I forgetting here? I think that's
Speaker 1: I think you got them all.
Speaker 2: I think we're good. I think we're good.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, offensive coordinators. We'll announce them as they are official.
Speaker 8: We've talked about these guys enough. Now we have to
Speaker 8: actually see them.
Speaker 1: Yes, the apparently this really young guy, Tanner Engstrom is
Speaker 1: supposed to be Aaron Glenn's offensive coordinator with the Jets,
Speaker 1: but that's not official yet.
Speaker 2: We'll see. He is the favorite.
Speaker 1: People thought he was going to get the job with
Speaker 1: the Lions, and Dan Campbell decided to go with John Morton.
Speaker 1: That was who I was thinking of, who is fifty
Speaker 1: five years old, not a young gun, and has been
Speaker 1: around a lot and was also on that Denver staff.
Speaker 7: So like, is ck Cayley in the mix too for
Speaker 7: offensive coordinator for the Jets?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in it there.
Speaker 1: Supposedly the reports this guy Tenner Engstrom, who's very young
Speaker 1: and I think maybe was surprised.
Speaker 2: People were surprised that he didn't get the job.
Speaker 8: And to my knowledge, Jets haven't requested Kaylee yet as
Speaker 8: of this, you know, as of yesterday when I looked
Speaker 8: into it, but this was it doesn't mean it's not coming.
Speaker 8: But McVeigh was noting publicly that they haven't sent that
Speaker 8: over yet. But you wanted to talk about Dennis Allen, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 8: who That's what I was on my phone for, right
Speaker 8: in front of you, rudely just now, just trying to
Speaker 8: make sure we got that's a.
Speaker 2: Good staff there.
Speaker 1: I think Ben Johnson, I think he had an idea
Speaker 1: of what he was going to do and he put
Speaker 1: it together. I think Dennis Allen can be a good
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator again in the NFL. I wanted to mention
Speaker 1: something that started way back at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: season and we made a promise to our listeners when
Speaker 1: we did the Tiny Table that we would circle back
Speaker 1: at the end of the year and we would decide
Speaker 1: who had the best picks. And it was supposed to
Speaker 1: be a committee of people. I think only one of
Speaker 1: those people that we announced as part of the committee
Speaker 1: is sitting back there right now.
Speaker 2: That's Eric Roberts.
Speaker 1: So Eric Roberts is going to decide who won the
Speaker 1: tiny Table competition of twenty twenty five. I'm surprising everyone here.
Speaker 1: I meant to go over the over unders with Mina,
Speaker 1: but we were running long.
Speaker 3: It's not we've made eye contact something ready, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't know enough, none of us do.
Speaker 2: Here are our picks.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you my take on it before
Speaker 1: we even start. We all were pretty mixed like it.
Speaker 1: It's going to be tough for you to pick, Eric.
Speaker 1: Some good ones had some bad ones. My mine were
Speaker 1: that the Seahawks will win the division and that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys will collapse.
Speaker 2: Those are mine.
Speaker 1: Jordan's were the Texans are going to the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and a starting quarterback will get traded before the deadline.
Speaker 1: Colleen had some vague one, a vague one to start
Speaker 1: which was that perfect, but it was so right. The
Speaker 1: Bills will run the football well all year long and
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence will have a career best season. It didn't
Speaker 1: go to We also had a speed Round. By the way,
Speaker 1: I said, Kyler Murray will get some MVP votes. That's
Speaker 1: not going to happen, and that Chris o' lobby was
Speaker 1: gonna have a monster season.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna have. That didn't happen because of injuries.
Speaker 1: Jordan had Max Crosby winning Defensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: not so much Jackson Smith and Jigba being the number
Speaker 1: one receiver in Seattle. And then the Colleen had the
Speaker 1: Falcons winning the division and the AFC South getting three
Speaker 1: teams into the playoffs.
Speaker 7: Sooo, all right, the Speed Round. I don't think I
Speaker 7: really prepared for that one.
Speaker 8: You you skimmed right over this too. We've texted about
Speaker 8: this all year.
Speaker 7: Greg.
Speaker 8: Is that your one of your big regrets ye season
Speaker 8: is that you were so right about the Cowboys, but
Speaker 8: you moved off your tips the second week.
Speaker 1: I was like, I guess after they won big in
Speaker 1: Week one and the second week of the show, I
Speaker 1: was like, I guess I was wrong about my tiny table.
Speaker 2: Now I was right. You got to stick with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, we weren't we didn't exactly cover ourselves
Speaker 1: in glory here, Eric, but you get to decide who
Speaker 1: is the winner, and the winner was supposed to get steaks.
Speaker 3: Yes, actual's what Jordan pointed out, will be the deciding
Speaker 3: factors that you were wishy washy about your Cowboys take
Speaker 3: and I want the Bills to win something this year.
Speaker 2: Colleen's take the ball.
Speaker 9: Look at that.
Speaker 7: I didn't and I did not know that you would
Speaker 7: be the judge of this. I also forgot that this
Speaker 7: was a competition, So thank you. I am honored we
Speaker 7: saw that becoming speech.
Speaker 2: Anyone you'd like to know.
Speaker 4: I love coming in here on Tuesdays. My see you
Speaker 4: next Tuesday. Crew has been awesome all season long. This
Speaker 4: has been really fun this year. And I can't believe
Speaker 4: we're all going to New Orleans to watch the Eagles
Speaker 4: in the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: This is the last one, yeah, in the studio. So
Speaker 2: I'm glad we did it, and I'm glad you ended
Speaker 2: up a champion.
Speaker 7: I thank you.
Speaker 8: I'm glad we all sniffed out Greg's attempt at manipulating
Speaker 8: the contest time.
Speaker 1: Okay, since she's pushing me to it, I meant to
Speaker 1: mention the over under draft with Mina back in the day.
Speaker 1: But it just felt like that was such a nice
Speaker 1: vie that we went out on and I didn't want
Speaker 1: to bring that up awkwardly.
Speaker 2: It's a little awkward.
Speaker 1: He did any but I went four and oh for
Speaker 1: the and went undefeated for the third straight year.
Speaker 7: There he is.
Speaker 5: He just cannot help him.
Speaker 2: The Bills over.
Speaker 1: Nine and a half, I mean they had that early.
Speaker 1: The Bears under nine and a half nailed it. Forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers didn't even sniff. Eleven and a half got
Speaker 1: that under. The Texans came down to the very last
Speaker 1: week and Davis Mills got it done for me.
Speaker 2: Wooro.
Speaker 1: People are saying this is one of the most unbreakable
Speaker 1: records in sports, Colleen, because we've heard that we did
Speaker 1: this on the Around the NFL podcast as well. I'm
Speaker 1: just straight Ears undefeated. It's a total eleven and zero.
Speaker 8: I just want to say speech, I said that was
Speaker 8: your speech. I sent my stop watches to make sure
Speaker 8: that you and Colleen had equal time. You didn't have
Speaker 8: equal time. You had more time than I do.
Speaker 3: Want to give your son some credit. Oh that's right,
Speaker 3: Walker made picks too. How did his over unders go
Speaker 3: back and listened and you were going to you said
Speaker 3: that you were going to bring him into that over
Speaker 3: under show. But he went kind of chalk and just
Speaker 3: picked the overs for last year's championship game teams. Okay,
Speaker 3: and we talked a lot of tree talk here and
Speaker 3: your tree performed pretty well.
Speaker 2: He went three and one live, who Wow, good job
Speaker 2: by Walker.
Speaker 1: He went over on the Chiefs Baltimore, the Lions, and
Speaker 1: the forty niners, all Daddy did their numbers to stop.
Speaker 5: Saying the word Daddy.
Speaker 1: Please, for the love of God, I've never been more
Speaker 1: proud play the music. He nailed three of those forty
Speaker 1: nine ers didn't come through with the Let's get out
Speaker 1: of here. Kevin Clark went three and one as well,
Speaker 1: with two and two with her picks, but she had
Speaker 1: a great first pick over Broncos by six wins. Yes,
Speaker 1: when we're circling our bets from the beginning of the season,
Speaker 1: when it's the last time for see you next Tuesday,
Speaker 1: you know football's back. Brom Locker