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Speaker 1: This is the Dirty Daddy Chris Dickinson here, and you

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Speaker 1: are listening to the Battleground Podcast. Battle Why from the

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Speaker 1: Battle Round, Battle the Battle Crowd. Welcome to the Battleground Podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Battle Road, the Battle Round.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Battle Brown. Welcome into episode number one

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Speaker 3: ninety five of the Battleground Podcast. And let's go ahead

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Speaker 3: and just address the elephant in the room. We did

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Speaker 3: record this last week, but this just goes to show

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Speaker 3: And look at what happened this past Sunday night. Ring

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Speaker 3: that's right, homicide and Chris Dickinson won the ROH Tag

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Speaker 2: He went on to win Championship Gold.

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Speaker 3: ahead and get into this interview with Chris Dickinson, the

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Speaker 2: What's up you guys.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to another episode of the Battleground Podcast. I

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Speaker 3: am your host, Eli, let me go ahead, or I'm

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Speaker 3: why am I the host?

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Speaker 2: Eli? I am here? Let me bring in my tag

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Speaker 3: This is how this show starts, especially when we don't

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Speaker 3: have Brian here to help us produce these things.

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Speaker 2: You just give me the controls and then it's gonna

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Speaker 4: Show the pop culture rabbit guest here we did.

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Speaker 3: Go, so let's go ahead and bring our guests in.

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Speaker 3: Let's bring him in. Chris Dickens and everybody give it

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Speaker 3: up for Chris. Welcome to the show Man. Sojan I'm

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Speaker 3: to have you on the show, and we're looking forward

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Speaker 3: to this episode because there's a lot of stuff that, uh,

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Speaker 3: culture moments. Well, so we'll kind of weave those throughout

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Speaker 2: But let's let's just kind of dive right into it.

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Speaker 3: What's it been like, uh, to return to ro oh

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess you're gonna say, really, I guess technically

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Speaker 1: so it's it was pretty let's put it this way,

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Speaker 1: with Ring of Honor, my come back to Ring of

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Speaker 5: Speaking specifically about Ring of Honor, how did your involvement

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I get that to one credit

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Speaker 1: Even more so, it's to know that I'm a part

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Speaker 1: mean it's really cool and I couldn't ask to be

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Speaker 3: And when we when we saw that group debut, I

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Speaker 3: was texting eliin I was like, holy shit, like this

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Speaker 1: That pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not a big I'm not a big person

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Speaker 2: And I sent the gift of.

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Speaker 3: see a tag team champions. We're about to be seeing

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Speaker 3: guys have all the gold, right that's.

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Speaker 1: The way, That's the way I want to. I want to,

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Speaker 1: for sure, you know, as opposed to like we're going

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, everybody's unnotice because you know this

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about man, I started it the other day.

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Speaker 1: Just I watch it all the time.

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Speaker 4: I watch it every constantly. I have the vhs, I've

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Speaker 3: You're looking for some to just pull up on the

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Speaker 3: screen real quick, Eli, is that what you're doing?

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Speaker 4: Well, So this.

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Speaker 5: Room is technically my guitar room, and I'm counting there's

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Speaker 5: like one, two, three, four. Uh, there's about twenty guitars

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Speaker 4: There's a telecaster right there.

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Speaker 1: I only got I only got n remember.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, after this podcast it's over.

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Speaker 3: I think Eli and Chris are going to start up

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Speaker 3: up for Ring of Honor shows.

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Speaker 4: I mean, man, yeah, I got some tasty legs.

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Speaker 1: I want to start a band that covers Japanese wrestling theme.

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Speaker 4: Songs that horb.

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Speaker 1: First of all, that was to show you how fucking

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Speaker 4: All right, I'd be okay with something like that.

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Speaker 1: And then like, good luck to find the people to

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Speaker 5: Unless you, yeah, get the super nerds to come out.

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Speaker 1: Because you're a really good guitar player. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: somebody probably on keyboards, you know. It's just yeah, gonna I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sure we could put that out there somewhere on this podcast.

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Speaker 6: Hey, if you are interested in playing so well, but

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Speaker 6: I think it'd be cool if you did like some

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Speaker 6: like that, and then kind of did a you know,

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, recently you had a very big

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Speaker 4: Is that a Jackson?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you talk about matches and you talk about violence,

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Speaker 3: How is your mindset heading into that match and would

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Speaker 3: Would you want to try to go after that United

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Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, I mean that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: Right for sure.

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Speaker 3: And here's a little fun stat that people have seen

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Speaker 3: Lethal came on, he won, ret Titus came on, he won.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, yes, my luck's looking pretty good right now.

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Speaker 2: You're lucked. You're in good hands with us on the

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Speaker 1: Cool. I like where that sounds well.

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Speaker 4: This is almost kind.

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Speaker 2: Like asking which one's your favorite kid.

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00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like as far we'll look at

441
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: it like this. I kind of have this conversation with

442
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: people all the time. Look at like longevity and uh

443
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: and in some of these guys. Uh, take a look

444
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: at the all Japan guys in the style that they

445
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: were wrestling. I mean, look at the Four Pillars for example, right, Yeah,

446
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: you know Kobashi looks pretty good, but he's he's absolutely

447
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: not active anymore and he got pretty banged up. Uh.

448
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: Sala's gone. Uh tally he's gone. He's not good gone,

449
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: but he's retired. And you know in Kawata and they

450
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: don't they look kind of rough. I mean, and you

451
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: look at guys like like Eugenia Gata is still wrestling, Yeah,

452
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: Eugenia Gotta still wrestling. All of the new Japan guys,

453
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 1: kJ Mudo still wrestling.

454
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

455
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 5: I was telling him I almost wore a Great Mooda

456
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 5: shirt today, but I've lost a lot of weights a

457
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 5: little like nightgown and.

458
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: Modis still go like he could was a noah he

459
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 3: won the title.

460
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean something.

461
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: He's still wrestling at a very high level, and I

462
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: mean he is. He is the perfect example of a

463
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: of a guy who you know, pioneered shootout style, learned

464
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: it from you know, uh and that Gotch style he was.

465
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: I think he was one of fujiars. It's not fus

466
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: top disciple or you know who was Gotch's top disciples.

467
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: So this is a guy who's who was pretty much

468
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: walk the walk, talk to talk done at all, basically

469
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: pioneered mixed martial arts, I mean him, and he started

470
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: pant race, I mean, which helped everything kind of evolve,

471
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: and all those guys had handed it. Looking back on it,

472
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say the longevity factor of some

473
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: of those guys is a lot better than a higher

474
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Speaker 1: than some of the more King's Road style guys who

475
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: are taking the head drops left and right.

476
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 5: But I think that was the criticize criticism with the

477
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 5: King's Road style was just it was definitely more like

478
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 5: injury prone.

479
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: And I mean, who's to say who I hate. I

480
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: don't like anybody who tries to say, well, get criticized

481
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: what they were doing. It was too dangerous. Listen, they

482
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: complete control over their bodies. They could do whatever they want.

483
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: And uh, let's be realistic. You go back and watch

484
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff, they weren't doing that all

485
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: the time. You know, those are there's that stuff was

486
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: reserved for television, big matches and big time showdowns, big

487
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: title matches, and you know. So, you know, I think

488
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: they both have a place. And I'm grateful to have

489
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: so much pro wrestling to be able to go back

490
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: to and watch all the time, you know, whether it's

491
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: New Japan War Wrestling or All Japan Pro wrestling. But

492
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: I feel like the dynamic of I mean realistic when

493
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: you look at it, the New Japan style that you

494
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: know evolved into I guess w style, and then all

495
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: of the branches off from that tree there, whether it's

496
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: rings or pan chras or uw F I and then

497
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: it all basically became mixed martial arts and all arted

498
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: really in the New Japan for wrestling Dojo is truly

499
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 1: like the godfather of mixed martial arts.

500
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

501
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so kind of piggybacking off of that, are friends

502
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 3: at Turnbuckle Tavern Podcast sumitted a question they wanted to

503
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: know what tests your intensity more as a performer blood

504
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 3: sports or New Japan.

505
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 1: H Well, it is an interesting dynamic Bloodsport, especially before

506
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: I started, you know, really taking the necessary steps to

507
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: understand the style more. Just basically we're going to do

508
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: We're going to have a wrestling match with knockouts and

509
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: submissions only, with no pinfalls and no ropes. I mean,

510
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: so that just immediately is that's a whole different a

511
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: whole different ball game. You're you're being You're being challenged

512
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: with a whole a whole different blueprints. You know, you're

513
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: the way you're thinking about a match, thinking about you

514
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: know how it's gonna go, you know, preparing for an opponent, uh,

515
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: the match structure and all that stuff. It's it's completely different.

516
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: So it's a totally different set of nerves and newsm

517
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: for wrestling to me is just like you know, anytime

518
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to step onto that canvas, it's

519
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: it's probably the best opportunity you're going to get, you know,

520
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: in the world, to you know, be able to show people, Hey,

521
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: I'm I'm good, this is what I do. I'm a

522
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: pro wrestler. You know, you're in You're in the best

523
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: place to showcase your abilities where you know the right

524
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: people are going to take notice and understand like, yeah,

525
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: this is the deal. This is this guy serious. So

526
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: I I really you know, like I said, I've said

527
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: it in other interviews, doesn't matter if there's any fans,

528
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if there are sixty thousand fans. Like anytime

529
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: you get a chance to step on that blue canvas,

530
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: it's pretty serious. So you better get yourself and check

531
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: and mentally just prepare yourself to know that there's gonna

532
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: be some really important people that I look up to

533
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: that could see this and are gonna be watching this.

534
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: And I you know, I'm not trying to disappoint anyone

535
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: or I'm trying to impress everybody that sees it. So

536
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a lot of pressure on yourself

537
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: to make sure you deliver.

538
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you you've got an interesting kind of standing

539
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 5: within wrestling, because I mean you can go to the

540
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 5: big guys like Ring of Honor in New Japan.

541
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 4: You know, you can go to the kind of the

542
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 4: I don't.

543
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 5: Know, big indies like GCW, But then you can also

544
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 5: I mean, you're you're kind of going all over. Who

545
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 5: are some of the next big breakout stars in your

546
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 5: eyes on the independent scene right now.

547
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: Right on the indies for sure, I think Wheel or

548
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: you to He's a He's He's he does at JPW

549
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: strong now, he's been on for a he's been on

550
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: for a little bit easy. I think he's definitely one

551
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: of the first names that comes to mind as far

552
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: as like somebody that's you know, really in the tape,

553
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: started to take his conditioning and his syesthetic very seriously,

554
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: and and he's just a really good all around wrestler,

555
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: and he's constantly trying to develop his abilities. That's somebody

556
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: that I really, uh really impresses me. And you know,

557
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: I know, I know him personally. He's a pretty pretty

558
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: good dude. There's a lot of good guys out there.

559
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: As an eighteen year old kid I wrestled not too

560
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: long ago, I think eventually he's going to be a study.

561
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: He's a junior. Wait, he's a little bit on the

562
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: smaller side. He's so young, he still got a lot

563
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: of growing up to do. His name is Starboy Charlie.

564
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: I think he's awesome.

565
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 5: I definitely think I saw a flyer with him. Not

566
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 5: too long ago. But where was that? Yeah, does he

567
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 5: wear a mask?

568
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: No? No, No, he literally looks like a kid.

569
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 5: Okay, I was gonna say, there was a guy with

570
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 5: a mask and I thought that was his name, but

571
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 5: he didn't look Yeah, No, he's.

572
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: A he's pretty cool. I've I've got I've got some

573
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: high hopes for him. Honestly, I think he's gonna end

574
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: up being pretty good. There's a lot of good guys

575
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: out there. A lot of it's wrestling is indie wrestling,

576
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: and it's say indie wrestling. There's no kind of a

577
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: weird place right now. It's uh, it's interesting to see, like,

578
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's this there's good Like when when we're

579
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: talking about who's gonna be the next breakout like star.

580
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: On my mind, I'm always comparing like that role that

581
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about to you know, who's gonna be the

582
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: next Dabut Richards guy, who's gonna be the next Brian Danielson.

583
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be that? You know, That's that's the way

584
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: I look at it. That's the way it was when

585
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: I was coming up, you know. But now it's like

586
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: you don't know who's gonna be the next breakout star.

587
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: They could be like a Dan Hausen, you know what

588
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Somebody like that like completely would go over

589
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: my head, really earth, you know, because I'm just I

590
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: don't really follow that type of wrestling work. But it's

591
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: like that's everything there. Every type of wrestling is right now.

592
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: There isn't like certain styles or everything's just kind of

593
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: like melded together in this one pot now, so you

594
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: never you really have no clue who's who is going

595
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: to be like the next breakout star sometimes or what's

596
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: going to be over this few months here that you know,

597
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: is it gonna be like a micro content wrestler, Is

598
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: is more in and more in ring thing kind of

599
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: gonna be? You know what I'm saying. I think there's

600
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: a I think it's just there's so much going on

601
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: that it's hard to really put your finger on it sometimes.

602
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a there's a I say, honestly, and

603
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: in my opinion, there's a lot of guys who do strong,

604
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: who are on the n JPW Strong tapings, who particularly

605
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: maybe aren't as over on the indies as some of

606
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: these other talents that are like unbelievably good in the

607
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: ring way more fundamentally sound way more like you know,

608
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: put together as far as like actual in ring stuff,

609
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: and maybe like they're just maybe they're from a different

610
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: part of the country where the scene isn't really popping off.

611
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: They haven't had an opportunity to really get out of

612
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: that area and get over in like the Northeast, or

613
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: work for like a GCW or something, you know what

614
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean, to get them more exposure. I would, you know,

615
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: say that the strong locker room, I mean is a

616
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: collection of guys from the indies. A lot a lot

617
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: of guys are from the indies who I think, honestly

618
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: are should be the next breakout indie guys, you know,

619
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: who should be doing more in the indies or be

620
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: traveling more and working for the bigger companies because they're

621
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: all I meant. The talent level is like night and

622
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: day between even some of the guys that are more

623
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: over them. It's it's just the way it is. I'm

624
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: just honest about it. But you know, and that's that's

625
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: a that's a compliment to Rocky because Rocky is just

626
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: really good at.

627
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: Finding talent, you know, and he Rocky actually came in

628
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: with with Juice and David when they came in for

629
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: New Japan when it was in Nashville. I think we

630
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: went to New Japan and then it was a Ring

631
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: of Honor and then everything shut down after that.

632
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: And it was great because it.

633
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: Was like, I don't think that they did much advertising

634
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: for New Japan, but it's still packed out the entire

635
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: venue that we were at.

636
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was like on a Sunday at like

637
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 5: two pm or something, but it was I mean, I

638
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 5: think they sold it out.

639
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: Yeah right, I loved it home in time for dinner,

640
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: and yeah, it was awesome.

641
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

642
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: Now there's some crazy stuff and we kind of want

643
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: to get your advice because you have had some very

644
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 3: violent matches. I mean, you've tangled up with necro Butcher,

645
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: You've done some stuff with Gauge and Joey Janella.

646
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: Everybody's kind of talking about some stuff with uh with.

647
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: Zach Rider engage in this death match. Do you have

648
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: any advice for Rider who's never been in a death match.

649
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 1: Well, no, don't freak out when you start to bleed

650
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: much of a bleed, but uh no, I'm sure he's

651
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna bleed. So I guess it's like there

652
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: used to be like this setting and the like in

653
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: Fire Pro Wrestling. You guys familiar with Fire for Wrestling,

654
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: all right, going back to what a huge nerd I am,

655
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: you could like and I think that you could do

656
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: it in No Mercy and the N sixty four games

657
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: or like, if you get busted open, it'll like it

658
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: like it could get you like even more jacked up,

659
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: or it could screw you up, or you could like

660
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: make the settings for like what the character is, you know,

661
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: So like sometimes in I still play Virtual for wrestling

662
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: all the time with my friend. If somebody gets busted open,

663
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: they can like go on a tear and just destroy

664
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: you because they get like jacked up from the blood right,

665
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, or whatever. So I don't know, we're gonna

666
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: have to see how he fares where his uh where

667
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: his like get busted open meters at, like if he's

668
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of like a whim or if it gets kind

669
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: of like freaked out, or if you like it's like crazy.

670
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: I get crazy when I start bleeding, I love it.

671
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't love it. I hate bleeding honestly, but you

672
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: know what I do bleed because it happens, you know,

673
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: I get pumped.

674
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 3: At adrenaline rush. You look down and you're like, oh,

675
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: there's blood. Let's take some ship, you know, let's.

676
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: Let's let's do that. It's more like you feel like

677
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: somebody's pouring like hot cocoa on you, and it's like,

678
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: what is all this? Like? Why am I getting so

679
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: sweaty so fast? It's like it's like a like a

680
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: like a totty pop.

681
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

682
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 5: So we asked this, uh, just to you know, try

683
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 5: to get some insight. And some people I haven't thought

684
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 5: about it. Some people have very clear plans. What do

685
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 5: you see yourself doing when you're finished with wrestling?

686
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, probably playing the base and getting in

687
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: that band together.

688
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably still working in wrestling, honestly, like what I'm

689
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: done actively in in ring physical like actual full time

690
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: pro wrestler. Probably still working in pro wrestling in some

691
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 1: capacity to this. Yeah. I had a whole life back

692
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: up plan that I harped on for years and then

693
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: eventually it was coming into fruition. I was really close

694
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: to to you know, kind of getting out almost out

695
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: of pro wrestling in a full time I guess way,

696
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: and just didn't really work out the way I wanted

697
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: it to. And it was kind of like a blessing

698
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: in disguise, because then I ended up going on to

699
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: do a lot of cool things that I probably absolutely

700
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done if it wasn't it was the case,

701
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: or I ended up, you know, pursuing this other career,

702
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: but I was gonna come a fireman. Yeah, So it

703
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: was just I was kind of like happy it all

704
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: didn't really work out the way it did, but I

705
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: did go back. I was in school for like two years.

706
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: I took like courses in EMT and medic stuff, and

707
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: I was just really buckled down to dedicating myself to

708
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: getting a job in the city where I was living

709
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: in Massachusetts at the time, and I went through everything physicals, certifications,

710
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, like I was in school. I went back.

711
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: That was wrestling a lot with me, a lot of

712
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: time and an opportunity to be able to do things

713
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: like go back to college because I was you know,

714
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: I had for all of free time and things like that.

715
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: So I'm very grateful for that. But ultimately, in the end,

716
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean, becoming being a pro wrestler, and pro wrestling

717
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: was all I ever really wanted to do, and uh,

718
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: that's you know, I may I had them. Eventually, I

719
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: think make up my my heart and my mind together

720
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: over that fact that that was it and that was

721
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: the way it was going to be. And and you know,

722
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: finally realized like this was it, even though forever I

723
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: always was, but I was always one of those people

724
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: that because I I from my my background, the way

725
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: I was raised, I just come from this idea that

726
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: I have to have this backup plan. I have to,

727
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, and I think I just love pro wrestling

728
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: so much and you have to just kind of expect that, yeah,

729
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: things may not turn out exactly the way like you

730
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: had vision, or things could get a little a little

731
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: crazy sometimes, or you're not going to have exactly the

732
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: most normal life, you know what I mean. But right,

733
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, everything comes with the territory and progress thing

734
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: is my first love. So it's it's I'm totally fine

735
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: with it now. And I think when I made that decision,

736
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, I made my made up my made my

737
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: made my bed with it, I guess is really when

738
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: things started kind of just ironically all falling into place

739
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: in strange ways. So you know, I kind of tell

740
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: people all the time, everybody's different, everybody has their own ideas,

741
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: their path, their goal and everything. But that was me,

742
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: you know. So like I said, I I could I

743
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: love PROG wrestling so much. I can't see myself not

744
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: being involved in it, even after I was done in

745
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: like a full time h performer. You know, situation, I guess.

746
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you think what do you think like producer

747
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 5: or trainer or anything you're.

748
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I could see myself getting involved in the

749
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: training side of things, and you know behind the camera,

750
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: I absolutely for sure. You know. I feel like my

751
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: mind is just I just eat, sleep, and breathe it

752
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: so much that it's like almost sick. And I think

753
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: to a normal person that's like sick. Even other people

754
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: in the business. I'm like, they'll tell me, they're like,

755
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: it was just You're just sickeningly obsessed with this stuff.

756
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: And it's like it's just it never gets old to me.

757
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 4: So I don't know the dirty daddy dirt Ojoe.

758
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there it is, now real quick before I let

759
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: you go. I I kind of want to start something

760
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: new on the show that I would like to ask people.

761
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 3: What's the craziest place you've had a wrestling match?

762
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: Now?

763
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: I went to one I was very very young, and

764
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: it was in the back of a discount tobacco liquor store.

765
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: Like the ring, if you stood on the top rope,

766
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: you had a crouch like this to hit it. Something

767
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: went wrong that night, and I think everything broke k

768
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 3: fob dude got a cinderblock smash between his legs, a

769
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: fan tried to attack a valet with a chair, and

770
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: two dudes were legitimately fistfighting in the ring.

771
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: So what's the craziest thing that you have seen at

772
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: to see that? Oh, it was brutal. I was like, well,

773
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: this is the last time we're coming.

774
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: To this, So what happened? It just broke down or

775
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: they had.

776
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: I think I think things that broke down.

777
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: I'm assuming like that maybe a spot went wrong, But

778
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 3: I remember one of the guys was in the corner,

779
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: had him there and put brought out a cinder block

780
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: and it wasn't the fake cinder block, so the the

781
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: you know the wrestling ones. It was like a legit

782
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: from home depot, real real sledgehammer. And he went straight

783
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: tiger woods on that as hard as he could and

784
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: there was like blood gushing from both sides of his.

785
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 4: Legs and was like Gypsy Joe.

786
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: No, but my my, my mom's best friend. That's our dad.

787
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: But was he at the show or something.

788
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 3: I don't think he was at the show. I think

789
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I don't know. It was a

790
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: very weird thing. So, yeah, what's the craziest thing that

791
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: you've witnessed been a part of?

792
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: It's been a lot. I just wrestled at a rodeo

793
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: like a week ago in Wyoming against Tules.

794
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 4: That was, yeah, the GCW show.

795
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: It was a real deal rodeo. It was like farm

796
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: animals hanging out around the ring and everything.

797
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: Interesting stuff.

798
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: I wrestled in so many deplorable places and horrible under

799
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: horrible conditions, like third story of a building and like

800
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: a fucking old probably sweatshop room with like a ring

801
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: and the ceilings like two feet from your head. Uh oh,

802
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: so many bad rings, terrible terrible rings. I only did

803
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: one of those no ring things once, and it was

804
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: in like a bar full of like two three hundred

805
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: people absolutely packed in. That was pretty crazy. That was

806
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: me and Janella. That was kind of cool though. That

807
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: was like the only time I'll ever do anything like that.

808
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: Worst conditions I've ever wrestled in. I don't know, man,

809
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: whatever they are, they're getting topped on a weekly basis

810
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: by all of like this really bad no ring indie

811
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: wrestling that's like happening right now. You notice some of

812
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: this stuff. The guy I was just wrestling on like

813
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: a stage, Yeah there was.

814
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: I did advice do a documentary on that.

815
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 3: I think, uh was a cast and Nova Valentine they

816
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: did a thing on him about it.

817
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: All these guys, man, they're like just mother just rolling

818
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: around in like mom's old garbage from the shed.

819
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 4: Yeah.

820
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 5: It's it's like, you know, you kind of saw the

821
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 5: backyard wrestling thing hit, you know, twenty years ago, and

822
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 5: now it seems like the no ring wrestling's kind of

823
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 5: like the new kind of buzzy thing.

824
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 4: But it's I don't know, I mean.

825
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: When anybody could just run a wrestling show huh yes, yes,

826
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, if you I could just go run a

827
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: wrestling show in my driveway right now.

828
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 2: Well if you need commentators, me and he like, I

829
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: can knock it out for it.

830
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah that's problem. And I say it's not something. I mean,

831
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: that's it's pretty honestly terrible. I think what it's going

832
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: in a direction that's just like you know, like that's

833
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: the Zona twenty I hate to sound like kind of lame,

834
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: or that's the Mexican company that wrestles in the junk yard.

835
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 4: Now, did somebody else that to me?

836
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't checked it out, but I heard it,

837
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 5: and I thought I heard it wrong.

838
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: But it's one thing to see, uh a ten second

839
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: clip of something. Okay, whoa, that looks cool. Go and

840
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: watch an entire match from like one of these shows.

841
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: It's it's like, it's what's happening. It's it's so bad,

842
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: it's it's it's deplorable. But yeah, I've wrestled in some

843
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: pretty bad places, like you know, a ring in the

844
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: middle of a dirt pit with dirt all around, and

845
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: you know you're covered in dust and scrap like that,

846
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: and you know, just wrestled in backyards and in a

847
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: ring set up for a couple of people. You know,

848
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for a while, so it's you know,

849
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: you see some some really interesting things. I wrestled in

850
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: the in the backyard. This is really cool though, in

851
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: the backyard of a Mexican restaurant in Toronto one time,

852
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: and it was like a Luca show and it was

853
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: pretty packed. That was fun. I got put through the

854
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: windshield of a car.

855
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 4: Wow.

856
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would consider that fun.

857
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: But I was okay. I didn't get too bad, thankfully.

858
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 1: That was a that was interesting. That was a good time.

859
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Our terrible venues, God, so many of them. I've wrestled

860
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: in like a bomb shelter once across the street from

861
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: the ECW Arena. It was like where you trained at

862
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: at the time. And I did like a studio taping

863
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: for Beyond Wrestling in there, and it literally looked like

864
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: a bomb shack.

865
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: Interesting.

866
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. God, so many bad VFW halls

867
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: or like Knights of Columbus type places or old buildings

868
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: that have never haven't been touched since they were built

869
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: in like the forties or fifties. You know, it's like

870
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: a weird bowling alley in the basement that doesn't really

871
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: work anymore.

872
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

873
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 5: I bet, I bet at this point in your career

874
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 5: you probably remember like the bad rings more than like

875
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 5: the location.

876
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 4: You know, like damn that thing, you know, Like, I

877
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 4: bet you that sticks out more than.

878
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: It's just because of like my, my, my, where I

879
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: came up in pro wrestling and the companies that I've

880
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: like kind of helped launch my career almost or you know,

881
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: helped give me opportunities because they were, you know, the

882
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: most buzzworthy ones, like I came up wrestling at CZW

883
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: right or right, So that means I've traveled. I've got

884
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: booked to travel to weird places where no man should

885
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: ever go, like I W a Deep South or I

886
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: W a Mid South. I wrest for I W in

887
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: Mid South. I wrestled Connorsville, Indiana. It's literally this building

888
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: and uh it's it's an old supermarket. It's like an

889
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: old supermarket and then there's like a tractor supply next door,

890
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: which is so open. And in the supermarket there's like

891
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: the ring is in the section where I guess the

892
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: deli would have been, because you could see like the

893
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: facade over the awning over like would me and it

894
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: says like fresh meats, but it's just a fresh meets.

895
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: Did they do a show last year because I remember.

896
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: Watching all the time.

897
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: Okay, because I remember there was a show that I

898
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: watched on Fight that it looked like it was in

899
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: a grocery store.

900
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 4: That's right. I remember you telling me about that that.

901
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: It was all just deathmatches. The entire night.

902
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so that's it. That's that's okay, Yeah, that's

903
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: the best because by the time my match comes along,

904
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're probably wrestling in shards of broken glass,

905
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: which is which is not like anything uh out of

906
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: the ordinary. For like I'm saying, working for companies all

907
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: of these years, like a CCW or GCW, you just

908
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: get used to that that sometimes it's gonna kind of

909
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: be a thing. You try to, you try to, they

910
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: try to put you in the match maybe where it's

911
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: not going to be a problem, but or not g

912
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 1: c W not so much anymore. Js W has become

913
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: more of an overall you know product. But you know,

914
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: you go to those places like Connorsville, Indiana where Man

915
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: I wrestled at this this place they all run out there.

916
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: It's in like Kentucky or Indiana. It's called the Arena,

917
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: and like I think Madman Pondo lives in the arena.

918
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, okay.

919
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to quote where

920
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: mad Man. I don't want to tell anybody where, but

921
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: he lived or lives or in the arena belongs to

922
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: like too tough tony, any of these things, any of

923
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: these names ring a bell.

924
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: I mean some of them do.

925
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: Like this dark, dingy building and there's these giant paintings

926
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: on the wall of like Santo and like Mathematico and

927
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: like maybe like ray Maistereo like their heads and with

928
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: the mask, and they're like there's a couple of these

929
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: big paintings. Don't ever, the building will never draw more

930
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: than like twenty five people. There's like there's like a

931
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: claw machine that like you know.

932
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: That has like the Tandy Bears in it, the dollar in.

933
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: To try to get something out. Maybe there's like an

934
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: old cruise in USA, uh, the Great Game. And these

935
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: are places I've wrestled in the last two years. Yeah,

936
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: and hey, I remember one time the promoter for one

937
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: of these companies, he brought me out there. They took

938
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: good care of me. I did like a seminar. They

939
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: paid me well. And the guy couldn't have drew more

940
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: than thirty fans in this building. And I said, well,

941
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: why didn't you guys draw more? Is it? Well, somebody

942
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: runs a wrestling show here like every days every day.

943
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: I took the promoter out for dinner.

944
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Joe damn.

945
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess you'd say it was the weirdest players.

946
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: It's it's constant. It never ends, yeah, never ends. Yeah.

947
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cool ones though too. Like I

948
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: wrestled for this company could Slam one time. It was incredible.

949
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: It was like seven eight hundred people packed in this

950
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: uh this venue in Oakland where you go see a

951
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: band like Slayer, you know, or a band like a

952
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: Testament or a bigger type of band that's gonna draw

953
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: like a thousand, you know, have a crazy pit and stuff.

954
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: So it was a huge show. And I had like

955
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: a live band playing me out to the ring and

956
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: they weren't exactly all like Marks. They were more like

957
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: there to just have a good time. So it was

958
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: like really easy to get over as like a heel,

959
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, just talk basic ship and you know, have

960
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: a good old school style match. And so yeah, there's

961
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: been a lot of cool places like that. A lot

962
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: of good venues in the UK, A lot of good

963
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: venues in the UK, but it's some good venues there,

964
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: not really too weird or crappy, but some good ones. Man.

965
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: Im I wrestled in this one theater it was like

966
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: sold out and the night before Saxon was there.

967
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 4: Oh wow.

968
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Saxon was there. I thought that was pretty cool.

969
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of cool things like that. But yeah,

970
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: we try to stay away from the real crappy ones

971
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: these days, obvious.

972
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, we like our position just kind of looking in.

973
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 4: We don't really want to.

974
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, like I think if I if I ran

975
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 5: the rope, that'd probably like snap my neck or something.

976
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 3: Well, uh, we've we've been an honor having you on

977
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: the show, So we'll kind of close this out so

978
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: you can get back to doing what you're doing, playing

979
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: some video games and whatnot.

980
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: Where can people keep up with you online?

981
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: Sure you can find me on Twitter it's at Dirty

982
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: Dickinson and on Instagram it's at Born Dirty Die Dirty

983
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: And there you go.

984
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 3: Well, Chris, it's an honor to have you on the show.

985
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: Definitely have to get you back on here, and once

986
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: touring starts going and you roll through Nashville and you

987
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: have those pretty titles around your waists, definitely.

988
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: Have to get the whole the show. That means something

989
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: good is gonna happen soon. So make sure y'all watching

990
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: New Japan Bar Wrestling and Ring of Honor. Make sure

991
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: you're getting that ro Oh pay per view it's not

992
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: too long, not too far away. We're gonna be right

993
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: there in Baltimore, So make sure you're up on that.

994
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: Make sure you're watching your NJPW every Friday night at

995
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: ten pm Eastern Time on NJPW World. And yeah, that's cool.

996
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: And that's it right there. That there's nothing else to say.

997
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: That's the that's the outro of the show, right there, Chris,

998
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 3: thank you man for being on the show today, problem

999
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: thank you.

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