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Speaker 2: Welcome to one out Just Baseball Show Awards, MVP, Cy Young,

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Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, Manager of the Year, all of

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Speaker 1: You're listening to us. After the Rookie of the Year

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Speaker 1: last night, spoiler Alert were recording between the announcements of

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Speaker 1: some point in the show, I kind of called BS

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Speaker 3: We were going to record at around six point thirty

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Speaker 3: because because it started at six, we forgot that. Of course,

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Speaker 3: I was watching We'll Be Network for a second, and

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Speaker 3: you know they interviewed Stephen Kwan, which I thought was cool.

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Speaker 3: That they do a lot of cool things, but they

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Speaker 3: get as many commercials in as possible. Yes, like the

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Speaker 3: ad revenue from the two hour announcement to announce two

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Speaker 3: guys that we kind of already know we're gonna gonna

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Speaker 3: win whatever. So by the way, that's Peter, I'm Jack.

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Speaker 3: Just Baseball Show, Tuesday, November fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to it. Welcome to it. I understand like squeezing

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Speaker 1: most watched reveal show in sports, and that is the NCAA.

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Speaker 1: Turn them a selection show. What do they do? They

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Speaker 1: don't delay it right, love it? I love it. Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's start gonna be a great tournament. Let's get right

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Speaker 1: They get the field out of the way right away.

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Speaker 1: That's what I wish we did. And we just like

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Speaker 1: applauded the work of a Stephen Kwan and of an

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Speaker 1: also get it, like the Heisman Trophy presentation, it's a

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Speaker 1: college football and then at the end, you know you're

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Speaker 1: building up to that award. So I do understand it

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Speaker 1: from the award type, you know, perspective. But my thing

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Speaker 1: after that. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna

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Speaker 1: walk through our picks ALE Rookie of the Year and

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Speaker 1: our Rookie of the Year. We agree with Julio Rodriguez,

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Speaker 3: Fair can I I want to pull up my phone

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Speaker 3: was charging, So forgive me listeners of where the odds

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Speaker 3: ended up for these guys, because you know Julio Rodriguez

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Speaker 3: and all these guys going into the year, Like for example,

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Speaker 1: I mean want to Sayki, right, you went with Suzuki? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember your preseason picks? I went with Bobby

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Speaker 3: So the Rookie of the Year Award winners. So at

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Speaker 3: the beginning of the season, Adley Rutschman was plus five

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Speaker 3: Now Juli Rodriguez is minus ten thousand, and he ended

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Speaker 1: National League. Before we get to the National League, let's

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Speaker 1: talk Jay Rod, because Jay Rod was so ridiculously deserving

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Speaker 1: Julio Rodriguez was twenty first in all of baseball. That's

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Speaker 1: J Rod. We knew what kind of prospects he was.

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Speaker 1: I think he was the number two prospect. No number three?

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Speaker 1: Julio Rodriguez was the top three prospect in all of

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Speaker 1: Like a revolutionary bat for a prospect. You're kidding, that's

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Speaker 3: We're looking at Julio Rodriguez as a twenty one year

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Speaker 1: And was that being hyperbolic? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Bobby Wood Junior is just as well rounded of a

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Speaker 3: all right, fine, give me Jay Rod's bat. But I

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Speaker 3: didn't know that Jay Rod will become one of the

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Speaker 3: Jay Rod is running away with the American League Rookie

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Speaker 3: that is certainly not being hyperbolic.

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Speaker 3: He received twenty nine of the thirty first place votes.

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Speaker 3: away with this, and it's only because obviously Adley didn't

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Speaker 1: He was stupidly good. Julio Rodriguez, this is a guy

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Speaker 1: pumping out of one forty six WRC plus and you

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Speaker 1: Ruchman played in one hundred and thirteen games, Julio played

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Speaker 1: it is exactly Adli Rutchman's job. But to that, I say,

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Speaker 1: Jay Rod had a WRC plus thirteen points higher, one

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Speaker 1: thirty five five points better than Adlie Rutchman. And then

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Speaker 1: Rod hit two eighty four, Adlei hit two fifty four.

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Speaker 1: the build are fucking stupid for Julio Rodriguez, he's six

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking about his fucking isolated power, you nerd.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about just freakazoid of Juli Rodriguez is. Let's

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Speaker 3: just like Marvel over how revolutionary his bat is. Let's

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Speaker 1: No one gives a shit about that. They care about

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Speaker 1: They care about the fact that he looks like a

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Speaker 1: male model. Okay, so you were the guy that introduced

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Speaker 1: just spaceball's contingency to the lowercase X, and I screenshoted

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Speaker 1: something because I want to keep receipts. Peter Apple like

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Speaker 1: to tweet from John Kreele, the you know what, I

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Speaker 1: saber metric that matters and it's dogging him. Agreed.

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Speaker 3: You know what I like. I like the combination of everything.

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Speaker 3: So it's good you read the stats. The people now know,

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Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the freakazoids a couple more. Julia

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Speaker 1: Rodriguez six three, two thirty. He's built like a middle

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Speaker 1: He's built like fucking Will Anderson. And here he is.

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Speaker 1: J Rod in the ninety eighth percentile in max exit velocity,

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Speaker 1: so he's hitting the ball harder than pretty much everybody

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Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna see Michael Harris do exactly

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Speaker 1: The game is never gonna speed up on Michael Harris's game, right,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to pull up the voting. I found the voting.

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Speaker 1: Michael Harris got twenty two of thirty first place votes,

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Speaker 1: such a valuable piece for the Saint Louis Cardinals moving forward.

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Speaker 3: That's why the Cardinals don't necessarily need to sign a shortstop.

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Speaker 3: did you see it about the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: It was the funnest I ever seen. The starting pitcher

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Speaker 1: Michael Harris and Spencer Strider are the eighth set of

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Speaker 1: Only one since nineteen eighty nine. Twenty eleven Atlanta Braves,

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Speaker 1: Craig Kimberl won it. Freddie Freeman was the runner up.

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Speaker 1: to have teammates finish one two in Rookie the Year voting.

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Speaker 1: They've done it twice.

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Speaker 3: Pretty good precedent there, Craig Kimberl and Freddy. I wonder

431
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Speaker 3: how Stder and Michael.

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Speaker 1: Going to pitcher and hit her Harris Strider, Kimberl, Freeman, Boom,

433
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Speaker 1: analogy heaven.

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Speaker 3: That just goes to show how good Kimberl was, Like

435
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Speaker 3: we're talking about how it starters he was as a reliever.

436
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Speaker 3: I mean, what a freak, all right, from Foolish Baseball.

437
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Speaker 3: Then we'll move on to MVP Sey Young Manager of

438
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Speaker 3: the Year average Cardinals starter thirty six year old lefty

439
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Speaker 3: singer baller named Paul Stewart who throws eighty five and

440
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Speaker 3: was it All Star altered in twenty twelve, but the

441
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Speaker 3: average Cardinals reliever, twenty five year old Dominican nicknamed Niggio

442
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Speaker 3: dell in Fiero, will throw exactly one one hundred and

443
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Speaker 3: thirteen mile an hour fastball before his ucl STAPs like

444
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Speaker 3: a guitar string. I read that ed burst out laughing,

445
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Speaker 3: because not only is it so true, but it speaks

446
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Speaker 3: to the fact that the Cardinals could definitely use pitching

447
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Speaker 3: over more infield help, and they can use a catcher

448
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Speaker 3: really too. I'm coming out with my top twenty five

449
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Speaker 3: off season nick predictions.

450
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Speaker 1: I was inspired by Jim Bowden.

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Speaker 3: He does good work over there for the athletic and

452
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Speaker 3: I wanted to write my own because I have some

453
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Speaker 3: other and Cardinals fans spoiler, how about a little Blue

454
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Speaker 3: Jays want to try to catch her and maybe Marina

455
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Speaker 3: and the Cardinals they need or the blue Jays, excuse me,

456
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Speaker 3: they need a left handed outfielder. Carlson. Go check out

457
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Speaker 3: that article. It should be lit by the time you're

458
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Speaker 3: listening to this.

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Speaker 1: Holy shit, you grinded that thing out. How about oh yeah,

460
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Speaker 1: oh yeah. There's a lot of good ones in there,

461
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Speaker 1: a lot of crazy foolish. His name is Bailey, that

462
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Speaker 1: dude's creativity is just through the fucking roof. He is

463
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Speaker 1: so fun. He's incredible. All right, So that's recapping again,

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Speaker 1: Michael Harris the Atlanta Braves. One n L Rookie of

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Speaker 1: the Year last night, Julio Rodriguez, like everybody expected, one

466
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Speaker 1: American League Rookie of the Year with the Seattle Mariners,

467
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Speaker 1: twenty one year old freak. Top ten player in baseball

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Speaker 1: at this point. So now what I want to do

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Speaker 1: is move forward and get into the predictory phase of

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Speaker 1: this podcast, and we'll finish with MVP. Why don't we

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Speaker 1: start with Manager of the Year. Let's start with al

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Speaker 1: manager of the year. The three candidates right now are

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Speaker 1: Terry Francono Tito with the Cleveland Guardians, Brandon Hyde with

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Speaker 1: the Orioles, Scott Service with the Seattle Mariners. This is

475
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Speaker 1: a loaded, loaded field. Let me make the elevator pitch

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Speaker 1: for the three of them. Scott Servis he was kind

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Speaker 1: of the head high well, he is the head of honcho.

478
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Speaker 1: He's the manager of the team. He was the head

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Speaker 1: of honcho behind a team that bottled up this magic

480
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Speaker 1: that they found in twenty twenty one, this fun, differential

481
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Speaker 1: type team got a lot better. They were still young,

482
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Speaker 1: but they were fiery, and they put together their first

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Speaker 1: postseason appearance since two thousand, two thousand and one. Brandon Hyde,

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Speaker 1: What the hell was this Orioles team supposed to do

485
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Speaker 1: this year? Nothing? They were supposed to finish at the

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Speaker 1: very bottom of the Al East. They were supposed to

487
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Speaker 1: be a couple years away from a possible window opening

488
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Speaker 1: if the stars aligned, and they get career years from

489
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Speaker 1: several guys who knew that Jorge Mateo was going to

490
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Speaker 1: be the best defensive shortstop in the game, and who

491
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Speaker 1: knew that Anthony santans Air was going to take this

492
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Speaker 1: step in his stardom. Or Austin Ayes and then Adalie

493
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Speaker 1: Rutsch and I think some could have said that this

494
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Speaker 1: was coming, but who knew to this degree? You cannot

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Speaker 1: bank on that. And then Terry francona man, they had

496
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Speaker 1: the youngest team in baseball. What do they do with

497
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Speaker 1: Steven Kwan and Miles Straw and Oscar Gonzalez in the

498
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Speaker 1: outfield and a catcher hitting like a buck sixty in

499
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Speaker 1: Austin Hedges and Luke Mayley who actually can't run as

500
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Speaker 1: the backup catcher. I mean all three of these guys

501
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Speaker 1: were miracle workers. I want to eliminate Scott Service because

502
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Speaker 1: I think he was the least of the two miracle workers.

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Speaker 1: What do you like here?

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Speaker 3: See it's funny. I was going to go the other direction,

505
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Speaker 3: and you said it yourself, the fun differential. A lot

506
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: of people were predicting this team to what finished third.

507
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Speaker 3: I know, my dumb ass thought the Angels would finish

508
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Speaker 3: second in the division because the guy behind me. You

509
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Speaker 3: see that painting from shout out at Kyle Taylor Portraits,

510
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: beautiful painting. Imagine show HALLO, Tony and Mike Trout on

511
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 3: the same team. Yeah, we're probably gonna be saying that

512
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Speaker 3: next year too, because it's amazing. So while yes, he

513
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Speaker 3: I guess maybe he had the best team out of

514
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Speaker 3: all of them, But I don't think going into the season,

515
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Speaker 3: a lot of people were just putting the Mariners in

516
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Speaker 3: the playoffs. The fact that he got over this enormous

517
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Speaker 3: playoff drought, the largest in baseball, got his team to

518
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Speaker 3: the playoffs, and then I know you can't factor in

519
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Speaker 3: the playoffs into it, but like beat the Blue Jays, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I would give it to Scott's Service. I would really

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Speaker 3: because I think I think with Hyde, the Orioles exceeded

522
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Speaker 3: a ton of expectations, but they finished fourth in the division. Right,

523
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Speaker 3: that's the that's the bottom line. They finished fourth in

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Speaker 3: the division, the toughest division in baseball. They were ahead

525
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Speaker 3: of schedule, but a lot of guys just had breakout years.

526
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Speaker 3: Like bringing up Badly Rutchman certainly helped. Like I don't

527
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Speaker 3: know if you give all this success to hide there.

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Speaker 3: I think he did a great job and deserves to

529
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Speaker 3: be here and was one of the top three. Definitely

530
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Speaker 3: Tito again, the Guardians were expected to be close to

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Speaker 3: this right is between the White Socks and the Guardians.

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Speaker 3: So if you're gonna say that about Scott's service and

533
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Speaker 3: the Mariners, you got to say that about Tito and

534
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Speaker 3: the Guardians. And then, in my opinion, I think the

535
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Speaker 3: Mariners outdid preseason expectations. They beat the drought, and he

536
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Speaker 3: has now been such a good manager year over year

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Speaker 3: over year. Like I think he deserves it. I would

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Speaker 3: give it to Scott's service of the Seattle Mariners.

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Speaker 1: So I only push back on that because I think

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Speaker 1: that we did think that Seattle could break the postseason drought.

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Speaker 1: In the preseason. We were talking about this team, is

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Speaker 1: you know, a team that had enough talent to do it?

543
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Speaker 1: Baltimore were Baltimore was knocking on the door for the

544
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Speaker 1: entirety of the season. They were not expected to do

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Speaker 1: that at all. That's why I side with Brandon Hyde.

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Speaker 1: And and the way that I look at a manager

547
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Speaker 1: of the Year type of is who outperformed the expectations

548
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Speaker 1: of the team the most drastically. And I'd say the

549
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Speaker 1: Orioles were expected to be in the shitter and they

550
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Speaker 1: ended up a couple games out of the American League

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Speaker 1: wild Card. And that's why I go with Brandon Hyde.

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Speaker 3: And that's the problem kind of with managerially year. I

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Speaker 3: mean not problem, just it's kind of subjective in that way.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, it's incredibly subjective exactly.

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Speaker 1: And like also, shout out Tito, I mean, yeah, what

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Speaker 1: a job.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's just the way I think about it

558
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Speaker 3: is did you go over expectations and then how successful

559
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Speaker 3: was that team? So I believe that Scott Servis out

560
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: did expectations with the Miners and then made the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Tito did the same thing. But I almost felt like

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Speaker 3: I was more confident in the Guardians moving into this

563
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Speaker 3: year than I was the Mariners. And maybe this is

564
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Speaker 3: also like this is me personally giving the award. So

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Speaker 3: I was higher on the Guardians than I was the Mariners,

566
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Speaker 3: and I wasn't like super super low on the Orioles.

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Speaker 3: While I didn't think they'd finish third, I didn't think

568
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Speaker 3: they were definitely gonna finish fifth. I mean I probably

569
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Speaker 3: did say they we're gonna finish fifth, but they finished fourth.

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Speaker 3: Like the Mariners, I didn't have making the playoffs, and

571
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Speaker 3: they won the playoffs and he outdid a drought. That's

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Speaker 3: enough for me, considering how much I know how well

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Speaker 3: he did with that team and all the different decisions

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Speaker 3: that he made throughout the year. That's why I go

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Speaker 3: with Scott Service. But like you're I don't think you're

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Speaker 3: incorrect for Hyde. I think it's just whatever argument you

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Speaker 3: want to make based on your conceived notion of what

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Speaker 3: you think was your early season projections of a team,

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Speaker 3: and then what you think the manager was best at right.

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Speaker 1: Correct, correct, So you picked Scott Service. I picked Brandon Hyde. Naturally. Tonight,

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Speaker 1: Terry Francone is gonna win ALE Manager of the Year exactly.

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Speaker 1: NL Manager of the Year. Dave Roberts of the Dodgers,

583
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Speaker 1: but Showalter the Mets, and Brian Snitker of the Braves

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Speaker 1: are the three finalists here. They were the three best

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Speaker 1: teams in the National League. They were expected to be

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Speaker 1: the three best teams in the National League. I think

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Speaker 1: I just go with Buck because he was the first

588
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Speaker 1: year guy. I don't know, like I don't have a

589
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: strong opinion on this race at all. I kind of do.

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Speaker 3: I kind of think for me, it's obvious. I'm going

591
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Speaker 3: with snit Brian Sticker. Of course they won the NL East.

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Speaker 3: Compare payrolls of these three teams, like the Mets were

593
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Speaker 3: expected to be in here. I know Buck Showalter like

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Speaker 3: he did a great job on your one. I'm not

595
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Speaker 3: taking anything away from Buck Shoalter. Again, Like I hate

596
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: sometimes doing this because it feels like I'm taking away

597
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Speaker 3: from some guy when I'm not. Buck Showalter was great,

598
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Speaker 3: Dave Roberts, they won like one hundred and forty games.

599
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Speaker 3: But they were all projected to do these things. The

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Speaker 3: Braves are projected to finish second and finish first. They

601
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Speaker 3: outperformed expectations. The Mets were expected to finish first, finish second.

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Speaker 3: They I guess we're a little bit lower than expectations.

603
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Speaker 3: And remember these are my expectations. They're different for everybody.

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Speaker 3: If you think that the Braves definitely should have been

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Speaker 3: number one at the beginning of the season over the Mets,

606
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Speaker 3: maybe you do go buck. I thought the Mets should

607
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Speaker 3: have been the favorites. They were one of the betting favorites,

608
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Speaker 3: and the Braves outperformed that. And I mean, what a

609
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: second half to keep your team engaged day over day

610
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Speaker 3: over day, and they won like ninety percent of their

611
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Speaker 3: games moving forward. Not actually, so that's why I would

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Speaker 3: go with Brian Sticker. I wouldn't give it to Dave Roberts,

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Speaker 3: even though I mean they won one hundred, they won

614
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: a billion games, they won a billion games. But I

615
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: would definitely go with Brian Sticker here.

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Speaker 1: Definitely. Yeah, So I I do see snit like I

617
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: think that is probably who the writers will vote for

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Speaker 1: because of the second half resurgence. I mean, they were

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Speaker 1: like far and away the best team in baseball since

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Speaker 1: June one or whatever date you want to put it,

621
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Speaker 1: ats after a pretty rough start, and I think that's

622
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Speaker 1: the market A great manager. I just think, you know,

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Speaker 1: like first year major market, you know Buck matched the expectations.

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Speaker 1: I think that that could be with the writer's side

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Speaker 1: with but do you actually think that? Yeah, do you

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Speaker 1: actually do? I think this is totally don't and you're

627
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Speaker 1: guessing no, Well, yes, I'm guessing like this is a

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Speaker 1: prediction who you Oh wait, is this a prediction? Who

629
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Speaker 1: we think? This is? Who we think? Yeah? I think so.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm cheating. I guess snit is my manager

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Speaker 1: of the Year. I do think that the writers are

632
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: going to vote for Buck show Walter because it's Ben

633
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: Verlander had Buck. Oh, there we go. Yeah. I don't

634
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: think he's got to vote. I don't think he's a writer.

635
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: But Ben Verlander also Brandon Hyde, you're right on Pard.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, a line on a lot of things.

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00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to al Cy Young here, Dylan

638
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: sees the White Sox, Alec Manoa, the Blue Jays, and

639
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: Justin Verlander, the Astros, the three final this year. Great year,

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00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: Alec Manoa, great year. Dylan cees, you're not Justin Verlander. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you didn't have a one seventy five. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: what that's why I like this.

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Speaker 3: We talked about peer corel like this episode is gonna

644
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Speaker 3: be kind of short. There's a couple of arguments in here,

645
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Speaker 3: but it's Justin freaking Verlander who was un real. He

646
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Speaker 3: had a little bit of an injury, didn't matter, came

647
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Speaker 3: back almost threw what a no hitter.

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Speaker 1: It's Justin Verlander. So Verlander had a one seven five

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Speaker 1: R and one hundred and seventy five innings. Cease had

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Speaker 1: a two two zero ERA in one hundred and eighty

651
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Speaker 1: four innings, so he only threw one more game than Verlander.

652
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Speaker 1: He only threw nine more innings than Justin Verlander, and

653
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Speaker 1: his ERA was still forty five points higher. Here, something

654
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Speaker 1: that stands out about Verlander, dude, was eighteen and four.

655
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Speaker 1: Like wins and losses, those matter to the writers. I

656
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Speaker 1: know that I don't care about wins and losses really

657
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Speaker 1: unless you're something like fourteen and four, unless you're an

658
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Speaker 1: unless you're a Justin Verlander or a twenty game winner.

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Speaker 1: The other number that really jumps out here, and this

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Speaker 1: is why I knocked Dylan Cease as a as a

661
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Speaker 1: native Chicagoan and somebody who grew up a white Sox

662
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: fam sees had a one one one whip because he

663
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Speaker 1: struck out two hundred and twenty seven guys in one

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four innings. He walked seventy eight dudes,

665
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Speaker 1: most walks in the American League. Justin Verlander punched out

666
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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty five guys, he walked twenty nine.

667
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Speaker 1: He had a zero point eighty three whips. So he

668
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Speaker 1: led the American League in hits per nine and he's

669
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Speaker 1: up against the guy that led the American League in

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Speaker 1: walks issued. So I think it's no question Verlander was

671
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Speaker 1: pounding the strike zone when he was healthy. He was

672
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Speaker 1: on the hill, he was going six or seven innings

673
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Speaker 1: and he was literally unhittable. It was like six hits

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Speaker 1: per nine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you're you know, Alec Minau also

676
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Speaker 3: threw one hundred ninety six innings, but we're looking at

677
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Speaker 3: f war. Justin Verlander was third in Major League Bayberlander, Yeah,

678
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 3: Dylan Seize was eleventh and Alec Minau was fifteenth. Like, yeah,

679
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Speaker 3: Alec ma Minoa threw twenty more innings, but alc Minola

680
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: had a two to foury ear And like I do

681
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Speaker 3: look at peripherals in the like sue me, I do.

682
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Speaker 3: I want to look at your quality of contradiculous. I

683
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Speaker 3: want to look at your FIP, I look at your

684
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: x FIP. I use that a little bit into the equation.

685
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Speaker 1: It's not everything.

686
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Speaker 3: I know it's an e RA award because it's about

687
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Speaker 3: what you did. It's not we're not using the advanced

688
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: stats to project future value or not if this is

689
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: something that will continue. But I do still look at

690
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: it and like Verlander's peripherals two six six x ERA

691
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: two four nine FIP three two three x FIP, Dylan

692
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Speaker 3: cees he was right around that little bit worse, worse,

693
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Speaker 3: cra handful of more innings, like Verliner was so good.

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Speaker 1: It's Verlander, Yes, it's Verlander, all right. I want to

695
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Speaker 1: walk us through an exercise with the anlcion because the

696
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Speaker 1: three the three finalists are Sandial Contrac with the Marlins,

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Speaker 1: Julio ria Is with the Dodgers, and Max Freed with

698
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Speaker 1: the Braves, and there is precedent to this type of conversation.

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Speaker 1: You and I have the same answer. I think this

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Speaker 1: is very cut and dry. But for people that may

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Speaker 1: be saying, oh, well, like you know, Iria said had

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Speaker 1: a you know better era, Okay, yay. There are two

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Speaker 1: examples of recent precedent for this. Let's start. In twenty eighteen,

704
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Speaker 1: Blake Snell won the Cy Young over Justin Verlander. Blake

705
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Speaker 1: Snell threw one hundred and eighty and two thirds innings

706
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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. Verlander through two hundred and fourteen innings,

707
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Speaker 1: Snell had a one eight nine ERA. Verlander had a

708
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Speaker 1: two five to two. That's a massive, massive difference. How

709
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Speaker 1: about last year in the National League Zach Wheeler two

710
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen and a third innings, he had a

711
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Speaker 1: two seven eight ERA. Corbyn Burns one hundred and sixty

712
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: seven innings had a two four to three ERA, so

713
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Speaker 1: a tighter difference. But you talk about the numbers with

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Speaker 1: Burns and they were just eons better. I mean, this

715
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Speaker 1: guy had a one six y three FIP fielding in

716
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Speaker 1: the last year. Okay, I know Wheeler had a two

717
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Speaker 1: five nine FIP. Burns was not far off in strikeouts.

718
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Speaker 1: He was better in terms of walks per nine and

719
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Speaker 1: k's per nine. He had a better whip, He was

720
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Speaker 1: better in every category. But when you look at Sandy

721
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Speaker 1: and Julio, Julio reis a two to one six ERA

722
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Speaker 1: and one hundred and seventy five innings, he had a

723
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Speaker 1: three to seven to one FIP. Sandy al Contra in

724
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Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty eight and two thirds innings that's

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Speaker 1: fifty three and two thirds more innings had a two

726
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Speaker 1: two eight, so only twelve points higher. Through six complete games,

727
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Speaker 1: he had a FIP that was pretty much an entire

728
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Speaker 1: run lower, and they had identical whips. The numbers are

729
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Speaker 1: not in Julio's favor to the point where he should

730
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Speaker 1: be getting a first place vote. I feel strongly that

731
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Speaker 1: Sandy al Contra should be the NLSI Young by a

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Speaker 1: unanimous vote.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more. I'll shorten it for our listeners. Sandy

734
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Speaker 3: had almost double the four Sandy was EON's better and

735
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Speaker 3: win probability added, Sandy has a two two eightri Vers

736
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Speaker 3: two one six. Do you think that Sandy's era would

737
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Speaker 3: have been lower if he was on the Dodgers and

738
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Speaker 3: they only needed his best five instead of the Marlins

739
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Speaker 3: his best eight?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

741
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: Yes, Like you can run me through the rate stats

742
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Speaker 3: all all day. They weren't pitching on the same basis,

743
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Speaker 3: like Sandy had to go eight to nine because they

744
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Speaker 3: had Cole Sulser in the nine.

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Speaker 1: Six complete games this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it just doesn't happen anymore. It's not

747
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Speaker 3: even close. I love Julio on a rate basis. Sure

748
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: you can make somewhat of an argument, but even with

749
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: Sandy didn't want to shake out guys because he wanted

750
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Speaker 3: to throw one hundred and twenty pitches. Holy didn't care

751
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: show you as many guys as you want. Tell me,

752
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: if Sandy only had to throw five for the Dodgers

753
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 3: and he could boil it up to one on one

754
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Speaker 3: grom numbers, Sandy.

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Speaker 1: Might be striking out twenty dudes per nine. If that's

756
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Speaker 1: the case, be shocked.

757
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: That is it's his job, Like that's that's why I

758
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Speaker 3: thought the calendarview was so interesting. If you guys haven't

759
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Speaker 3: heard yet, like it's your job to do some of

760
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: these things, Like the numbers are not as cut and

761
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 3: dry as we think. They all have context to them.

762
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Speaker 3: Sandy's job was to get the ground ball out so

763
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Speaker 3: we could get to the next inning. Julio's was just

764
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Speaker 3: get outs any way, you can, like give us your

765
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: best five innings. That was not Sandy's job. RBI's is

766
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Speaker 3: a stat that nobody likes anymore, and I agree you

767
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 3: can't use it to compare players, but some guys' job

768
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Speaker 3: is driving runs. So like when guys put up one

769
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Speaker 3: hundred RBIs every year, I find it impressive. You are

770
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Speaker 3: doing your job effectively.

771
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Speaker 1: I like that.

772
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Speaker 3: Screw you if you don't think RBIs are cool. I

773
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Speaker 3: still think wins the losses are cool. Did it matter

774
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Speaker 3: for comparing players?

775
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: Now? Do I still think seeing Kyle Wright when twenty

776
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Speaker 1: games is cool? Yes? So I like it? So Leo.

777
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: Julio Reas went seven innings four times. He did not

778
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Speaker 1: pitch into the eighth once this year. There you go,

779
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Speaker 1: and the amount of times that Sandy al Contra. How

780
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: about that? Julio Reas through seven innings four times? Sandy

781
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: al Contra through six complete games. End of discussion, End

782
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Speaker 1: of discussion. There are NL MVP. Do you want to

783
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Speaker 1: do NL MVP or AL MVP first? I'll do NL

784
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: MVP first. NLMVP. Manny Machado, the Padres and the two

785
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: Cardinals Nolan Aernado and Paul Goldschmid are the three finalists

786
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: as it stands right now, that is announced on Thursday.

787
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Speaker 1: When you look it up for it's Aaron Judge and

788
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: then it's Manny Machado, Nolan Aernado, Paul Goldschmith seven point four,

789
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Speaker 1: seven point three, seven point one, unbelievable. It's it's wild

790
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Speaker 1: when you look at WRC plus, it's Judge Alvarez Goldschmid

791
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Speaker 1: at one seventy seven. But you look at the two

792
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: elite defensive third basemen, Manny Machado had a one fifty

793
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: two WRC plus, Nolan Arnatto had a one fifty one

794
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: WRC plus. This is as neck as neck as you

795
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Speaker 1: could possibly find it. Paul Goldschmidt was the best offensive

796
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Speaker 1: performer out of these three guys. If it was a

797
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: hitting award, Paul Goldschmid is the MVP, but the most

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Speaker 1: Valuable player is not the most valuable hitter. And my

799
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Speaker 1: thought is Paul gold Schmid played first base. You've got

800
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Speaker 1: the other two playing an elite third base. That's where

801
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: you need big time defense, that's where you bet, that's

802
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Speaker 1: where you get the war accumulators. I think what Manny

803
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Speaker 1: Machado did for the San Diego Padres, especially without Fernando

804
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Speaker 1: Tatis Junior. I talk about it a lot with the NBA.

805
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: When Kevin Durant and Steph Curry were on the same team,

806
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: it was going to be really hard for one of

807
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Speaker 1: them to win an MVP award because you've got teammate dilution.

808
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Speaker 1: That's what I feel like happened with the NLMVP this year.

809
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Speaker 1: I think that Aeronato and Goldschmidt, they almost knocked down

810
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Speaker 1: their importance, their individual impact to the team because they

811
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Speaker 1: run in step and they are at tandem guiding the

812
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Speaker 1: Cardinals to the postseason. Manny Machado guided a team that

813
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: had Juan Soto for two months, Fernando Tatis Junior for

814
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Speaker 1: zero games. Who were the other consistent good performers in

815
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Speaker 1: the Padres lineup. I thought Machado there were points where

816
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: he single handedly brought the Padres to wins. You could

817
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Speaker 1: make the argument that Machado had more to do with

818
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Speaker 1: his team making the postseason than any other player in

819
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Speaker 1: baseball except for Aaron Judge. That's why I think Manny

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Speaker 1: Michado is the NLMVP.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't agree more and it's quantified in the numbers. Manny

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Speaker 3: Machado has a higher wins above replace than Paul Goldschmidt did.

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Speaker 3: It's minuscule, but it's there. He gets a bump for

824
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Speaker 3: playing third base over first base, but he deserves the bump.

825
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: This isn't random. He deserves the bump because it's a

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Speaker 3: harder position to play than first base. Now, did Paul

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Speaker 3: Goldschmidt help save Nolan Arnatto.

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Speaker 1: On some throws?

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Speaker 3: Saw with my own two eyes, yes he did. He

830
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Speaker 3: was phenomenal over there. Didn't win the gold Glove?

831
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Speaker 1: Or did he? No, Christian Walker won the Gold Glove. Yeah,

832
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Speaker 1: I guess.

833
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: Christian Walker was unbelievable. But I'm not taking that away

834
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Speaker 3: from gold Schmidt. I think it's so so close that

835
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Speaker 3: what you have to do is you have to look

836
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Speaker 3: at the word valuable, and you said it best. You

837
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: lose Fernando Tatis Junior, you get a half season in

838
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: one Soda who didn't look like the one Soda in Washington.

839
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Speaker 3: Not only did the Putters make the playoffs. And I'm

840
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: not giving Muchado the bump because of how well they

841
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: did in the playoffs, but the fact that they got there,

842
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: the Cardinals got there too. They would also by the numbers,

843
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: I would give it to many Machado as well. Like

844
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: the hitting is so close, I mean, I know Goldschman

845
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 3: as the WRC plus advantage one seventy seven to fifty

846
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: two fifty two is nothing to laugh at. Many Michad

847
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: also had thirty moms. Also at one hundred and two

848
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 3: RBIs he had more stolen bases, he walked plenty. He

849
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Speaker 3: shruck out less than gold Schmidt hit almost three hundred,

850
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 3: also slugged five thirty one.

851
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's so close, so defense a little bit.

852
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: The valuable aspect, the narrative aspect put me right over

853
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: the top. If you say it's gold Schmidt, Okay, I

854
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Speaker 3: don't think anything wrong with that, not saying you wrong.

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Speaker 1: If you say it's Aeronato, I'm not even saying there's

856
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: anything wrong with that either. He says close as it gets.

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00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: Give me the narrative as the as the breaking, as

858
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: the tie breaker.

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00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm going with Manny Machado. Can we just shout out no,

860
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: when Aeronado, the dude just un he finished above Goldchman

861
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: and war He aeron Nado would just put together the

862
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: best season of his career. Oh, this was a guy

863
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: that was playing it at coors Field, and here we

864
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: are saying Canny survive outside of Coursfield. The answer is

865
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: a resounding yes. Nolan Ernado is a Hall of famert

866
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: He's insane. Man I mean this guy, he had an

867
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: eleven percent k rate this year. I don't think people

868
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: realize that Nolan Aernado does not strike out. He might

869
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: be the most enjoyable watch in all of baseball, But

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Speaker 1: Manny Machado is right there with him.

871
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: Like Jeff McNeil struck out ten point four percent of

872
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Speaker 3: the time, Nolan Aernaudo shruck out eleven point six percent

873
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 3: of the time, Alex eleven point seven. These guys don't

874
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Speaker 3: strike out, and Aeronaudo was with them?

875
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Speaker 1: What what like? What's the narrative around Jeff McNeil. Oh,

876
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: he's pesky, he doesn't go down like, he doesn't strike out.

877
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: What's the narrative about Aeronado? Oh he's a master. Yeah,

878
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: masters are supposed to strike out twenty five percent of the.

879
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: Time, and yet he doesn't. Like Stephen Kwan shruck out

880
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: nine point four percent of the time.

881
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that Nolan Arnado is two percent off

882
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: Stephen Kwan is ludicrous. Ludicrous, doesn't seem real real quick,

883
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Speaker 1: before we get to al MVP, you you just posted

884
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Speaker 1: a video about this. Yasiel Puig pled guilty tolign to

885
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: the FBI about placing bets in an illegal gambling operation.

886
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: How about this Yasiel Puig from July fourth till the

887
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: end of September and twenty nineteen placed eight hundred and

888
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Speaker 1: ninety nine bets on football, basketball, and tennis. I didn't

889
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Speaker 1: I didn't tab Puig to be a tennis guy. But

890
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: you know what, like you're riding stan vavrankas heater, I

891
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: feel you man, like Quig is all in on the

892
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Open. Cool five years in Giblin.

893
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Speaker 3: It's not gambling, never gambling advice except for Yasio. The

894
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 3: funniest coment I posted to tick talk about it, shout out.

895
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Speaker 3: I don't have the user name in front of you,

896
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Speaker 3: but week is the is this gambling advice guy in

897
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: my comments section? And I just burst out out here

898
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 3: talking about that, like weg whatever. I mean, you got

899
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 3: a gamble. I guess at least it wasn't on baseball.

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00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: Beginning of July to the end of September, July August

901
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: September three months, eight and ninety nine bets placed.

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Speaker 3: That's three hundred bets a month divided by four, it's

903
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 3: about eighty bets a week.

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Speaker 1: Can you believe that? I don't even do that? No,

905
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: who like who does not many people. No, that's an

906
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: in that. I have no words for that.

907
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 3: At least it's on baseball, I guess, I guess, But

908
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 3: is that even in a Major league baseball He's been

909
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: playing in.

910
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: Japan or Korea. Koh, yeah, he was, yeah, yeah, I

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00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: just needed to get that out there. Okay, last thing,

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Speaker 1: al MVP. Here's my opinion on al MVP because it's

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00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge, Shoeotani, your Don Alvarez. The are the three finalists.

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00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: My opinion is Andy McCullough's opinion in The Athletic and

915
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: he wrote this on September twenty. First, let me tell

916
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: you a little secret just between us. Aaron Judge is

917
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: going to win the American League MVP Award. This was

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00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: true before Tuesday evening, when Judge became the sixth man

919
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: in the history of baseball to hit sixty home runs

920
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: in a season. This will be true no matter what

921
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: show Haotani, the singular two way star of the Angels, does,

922
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: during the season's final two weeks. As Joan Didion wrote,

923
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: we tell ourselves stories in order to live, and Judge

924
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: has been baseball's central figure in twenty twenty two. This

925
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: is not just slight Otani. He is peerless in the

926
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: most literal sense. He can chase only himself. Judge is

927
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: chasing something more tangible, less enigmatic, more memorable. Judge is

928
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: chasing history, and his ascendance in the record book will

929
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: hold sway when the ballots are cast. That is exactly

930
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: how I think about the American League MVP race. Judge

931
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: was a record breaker. Otani, like Andy mccollus said, is

932
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: chasing only himself. I think that it's a lot easier

933
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: to tab someone as heroic when they break someone else's

934
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: record versus when they try and push their own individual boundaries.

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Speaker 3: Agreed, I mean this is kind of similar, not really,

936
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 3: but I think the the comparison makes a little bit

937
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 3: of sense. Steph Curry when he won that unanimous MVP

938
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 3: set the record for three pointers. Now was Lebron James

939
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: probably a better player. It's not similar because different sports,

940
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: and you got Otani pitching and hitting, and Lebron chases

941
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: himself exactly like it's it's just a if you are

942
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: giving Otani the MVP this year, I get it because

943
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: in my opinion, that is the most valuable player that was.

944
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: That is more valuable or he's pitching and hitting, and

945
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 3: you can't say I'm bias. I know I'm working a Yankee, yep,

946
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 3: but I got Otani right behind me. I love both

947
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: of these two players to death. I am still amazed.

948
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: I turn on every Otani sta. I love watching this

949
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: man play. It is history in the making. But if

950
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 3: you don't give Judge the MVP this year, what you

951
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: are setting a precedent for is whenever Otani does this,

952
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: he is automatically the MVP. Aaron Judge had any historic

953
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 3: season and calling it historic almost doesn't do it justice.

954
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: What Aaron Judge did this season is not touched if

955
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 3: the steroid era doesn't happen like that is also something

956
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: like all of these Goudy home run numbers, they were

957
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 3: all touched by Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds. The

958
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 3: reason why you see Roger Maris Junior talking about on

959
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 3: Twitter talking about how Aaron Judge that's the real home

960
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: run record is because if you take out a lot

961
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 3: of the guys who were accused of taking steroids, Aaron

962
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 3: Judge had the best season ever, or at least one

963
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: of them. If you're not gonna give it to Judge,

964
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 3: then then you're never going to give it to any

965
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 3: player ever as long as Otani does what he does.

966
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: So you make the decision if you give it O'tani.

967
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: Now you're giving it to Otani always. At what point

968
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 3: can someone be better than Otani?

969
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: Snaps? I didn't think I was gonna find myself at

970
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: Lebron James's basketball reference page, But here I am. From

971
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and four through twenty twenty, Lebron could have

972
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: won every single NBA MVP award. It would have been

973
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: the Lebron James Award. Like, but but his standard is

974
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: so much fucking higher. Like that's why Yannis has not

975
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: won the MVP in a couple of years. That's why

976
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: Jokic isn't gonna win the MVP again this year. Jokicch

977
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: has already won it twice. Like, what's Yokich gonna do?

978
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: Chase himself here, Like, you gotta spice it up. That's

979
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: what writers do. They gotta spice it up, they gotta

980
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: change things up. And there is no better excuse to

981
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: make a guy a Most Valuable Player than if he

982
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: broke Roger Morris's American League record. I do think Aaron

983
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: Judge is the MVP for the narrative, I do hear

984
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: what you're saying and respect the hell out of what

985
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: you're saying because I agree with it. Like, what else

986
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: does Otani have to do? I just don't think that

987
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna constantly win this award if there are record breakers.

988
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: And I actually said this, I want to say in August,

989
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: your friend of mine, Ben Stevens, on the Morning after

990
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: on Sports Grid, he asked me, what does Aaron Judge

991
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: need to do to win the MVP over Shoe Aotani.

992
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: I think in like early August, and I said, the

993
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: Yankees need to win the American League East and Aaron

994
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: Judge needs to break Roger Merris's home run record. You

995
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: need to be a legitimate record breaker on a good

996
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: team to take down show Heotani. You need to average

997
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: a triple double if you're Russell Westbrook. To win the

998
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: MVP over Lebron James, you need to have an all

999
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: time scoring title season like Kevin Durant. To take the

1000
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: MVP from Lebron James. You need to set the record

1001
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: for threes made in a season. To take the MVP

1002
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: from Lebron James. You gotta do something that is historically

1003
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 1: significant to beat shoe Haotani at his own game. That's

1004
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: exactly what Judge just did.

1005
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: And Otani stands, and I'm one of them. I love Otani,

1006
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 3: but be okay with that fact. Be okay that the

1007
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 3: only way to beat him in the MVP race is

1008
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: to do something historic, just like Otani does every year.

1009
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 3: The only way to take the MVP out of the

1010
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: man behind me hand is to break all time records.

1011
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 3: That's what Judge did. We aren't even talking about the

1012
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: Angels record versus the Yankees. We didn't mention that once

1013
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: Jack said he got to win the the a least.

1014
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: But I'm sure if if the Yankees finished second in

1015
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 3: Division and he beat Roder Merrison's home run record, our

1016
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 3: opinion would be the exact same. Yeah, this, in this argument,

1017
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 3: we have taken that out completely. But you and I

1018
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 3: both know o Tani stan that that matters. But even

1019
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 3: if we don't think it matters, sixty two them runs

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00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: two O seven WRC plus eleven point four f war

1021
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 3: that's what you have to do to beat Otawi, and

1022
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 3: he did it, and he deserves it.

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00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: When you have human voters for something, you gotta have

1024
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: the team narrative on your side for an individual award

1025
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: and you're gonna whether you like it or not. Again,

1026
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: I'll bring up the Derek Henry Heisman Trophy thing, like

1027
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry won the Heisman Trophy over Christian McCaffrey. Even

1028
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: though Christian McCaffrey broke the record for all purpose yards

1029
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: in a season, he broke Barry Sanders record. He literally

1030
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: had the best year by yardage in college football history,

1031
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: and he didn't win the Heisman Trophy because while Derrick

1032
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: Henry was playing the National Championship Game, Christian McCaffrey was

1033
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: opting out of the Sun Bowl presented by Tony the Tiger.

1034
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: So that, I mean, like, that's what you gotta deal with.

1035
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: You gotta be so fucking good and your team has

1036
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: to be good, and that's how you win a writer

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00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: voted award. And that'll do it.

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00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: For this episode of The Just Baseball Show, Black Friday

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Speaker 3: Code coming out, be sure to get your Just Baseball March.

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Speaker 3: I'm wearing my JB sweater also in my Murder's road hat,

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Speaker 3: and we got Showy behind me and we got Mookie

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Speaker 3: Bets over there.

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Speaker 1: Third in al MVP on Alvarez, Great Oh yeah. He

1044
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 1: was also insane. Yeah. Crazy. I've got Kyle Taylor working

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00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: on a Mark Burley piece for me. I sent you

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00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: that photo. It looks great, so amazing. Yeah, he said

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Speaker 1: he was going to get to that after your h

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00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: after your mookie got finished. So I'm hoping to get

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