Speaker 1: What's Good Family. I'm Tamika D. Mallory and it's your
Speaker 1: boys in general. And this is street Politicians, the place
Speaker 1: where the streets and politics meet, the place where the
Speaker 1: streets and politics meet. What's good Nice, it's going to Amica.
Speaker 1: You are traveling. UM. I was on vacation. I had
Speaker 1: a very long, amazing vacation. But we're back back and loaded. Um.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately the Internet does not want me to be
Speaker 1: great today, so I think I have a pixelated view.
Speaker 1: But hopefully folks can hear me and see me well enough,
Speaker 1: because today's show is going to be really powerful. UM.
Speaker 1: It's something that has been impacting my life and and
Speaker 1: something that's touched me for so long. We've been talking
Speaker 1: about the issue of violence and how violence is on
Speaker 1: the rise across the nation and particularly looking at what's
Speaker 1: happening in our communities. I don't think we've ever stopped
Speaker 1: talking about violence in the black community, but we know
Speaker 1: that there is an uptick. The pandemic has caused so
Speaker 1: many different issues for so many people. UM, and we're
Speaker 1: seeing violence at an all time high. Although if you
Speaker 1: listen to the stats, there's some um, you know, some
Speaker 1: things that might be a little different, but anyway, we're
Speaker 1: seeing some dangerous numbers coming out in terms of what's
Speaker 1: happening across the country with guns and with violence in general.
Speaker 1: And so for the next several weeks, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: really really focused on this issue and bringing people from
Speaker 1: different states and different areas, folks who deal with different
Speaker 1: types of issues that may cause people to pick up guns.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking to mothers, We're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: to people who've actually pulled a gun, who've been shooters
Speaker 1: in the past US. We're gonna be talking to folks
Speaker 1: who have been who are victims of gun violence, UM,
Speaker 1: and also elected officials and other community members who are
Speaker 1: working to make a change UM. And so it's not
Speaker 1: the type of show that you can do in one week.
Speaker 1: We had a great show just recently where we talked
Speaker 1: about the issue of gun violence. We had our brother
Speaker 1: Shanon Duke mcfadder from g MAC and Brooklyn on to
Speaker 1: talk about how he works on gun violence. And actually
Speaker 1: Shan Duke lost his brother, UM, you know, in and
Speaker 1: in in a terrible incident that took place in a
Speaker 1: nightclub in New York City where he was shot and
Speaker 1: killed on camera, um, and so we've been covering the
Speaker 1: issue already, but we're really gonna be intentional going forward
Speaker 1: about making sure that all the different elements of how
Speaker 1: we deal with violence in our communities it's out there,
Speaker 1: so people won't be able to say they didn't know
Speaker 1: or they don't know what to do and how they
Speaker 1: can support. We want to pull folks in to the
Speaker 1: world that we live in every day because we are
Speaker 1: actively engaged in the movement to to curb and try
Speaker 1: to end to the degree of which we can gun
Speaker 1: violence and violence in general. Um. Also, mass shootings. Mass
Speaker 1: shootings is a real thing. You know, some people believe
Speaker 1: that mass shootings is only something that happens in white
Speaker 1: schools and white communities, but if you think about the
Speaker 1: shootings that have taken place in grocery stores, malls and
Speaker 1: other very public places, anyone can be harmed. And to
Speaker 1: be clear on street politicians, we don't want mass shootings
Speaker 1: to happen to white folks either. We want to try
Speaker 1: to figure out what is causing this type of disturbance
Speaker 1: and danger um in all sectors of our communities and
Speaker 1: of our lives. And so um, you know, I am,
Speaker 1: I guess excited might not be the best word, but
Speaker 1: I am excited to have an opportunity to showcase the
Speaker 1: work that I've been involved in, that we've been involved
Speaker 1: in for so many years, and also to give an
Speaker 1: opportunity for people to speak on solutions and things that
Speaker 1: can be done to to fight this terrible, terrible epidemic
Speaker 1: within our society. Yeah, definitely when I when I look
Speaker 1: at these numbers, you know, they say more than two
Speaker 1: hundred thirty people were fatally shot across the US on
Speaker 1: the fourth of July weekend, and about six eighteen people
Speaker 1: were injured by gun violence, and more than five hundred
Speaker 1: shootings across the country. Like that's crazy. I was just unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I was on the internet and there's this video that's
Speaker 1: been viral and it's about two young men, you know,
Speaker 1: and they're sitting there talking to each other and one
Speaker 1: of them just gets shot, like literally why they're on
Speaker 1: camera on a live conversation on Instagram. The boy works
Speaker 1: up being shot. It sounds a a shots and he
Speaker 1: was pronounced dead on on the scene when you know,
Speaker 1: when the ambulance showed up, and it's just like the
Speaker 1: disregard for human life and it's dealing is with the trauma,
Speaker 1: you know, with the epidemic and the pandemic has cars
Speaker 1: and and and when you look at trauma, you know,
Speaker 1: me being formally incarcerated, understanding what being secluded right, being
Speaker 1: the reason why we fought against to end the box
Speaker 1: and end um solidtable confinement because we understood the ramifications
Speaker 1: of that. Right, A lot of people that come out
Speaker 1: of those situations come out more traumatic, come out way
Speaker 1: more violent. They don't want to be around people they have.
Speaker 1: You're dealing with mental issues, you know, you're dealing with anxiety,
Speaker 1: dealing with all types of stress and those things of causes.
Speaker 1: So we're looking at the ramifications of what came after
Speaker 1: the epidemic and the pandemic. So, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's really important that we have this conversation and we
Speaker 1: bring people from all different levels. Like you said, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have some government official is, we're gonna have people
Speaker 1: who actually wore shooters, we're gonna have victims, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have family members, we're gonna have everybody, so we can
Speaker 1: talk about this in totality because it's really something that
Speaker 1: needs to be focused on. I don't think that you know,
Speaker 1: I think that people are talking about it, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that people are delving into what are the
Speaker 1: causes of this violence and and how do we actually
Speaker 1: stop the violence? What are the things that's needed to
Speaker 1: stop that. Everybody's saying, oh, it's a problem, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and a lot of people, oh, we just
Speaker 1: need more police and and I'm so anti that because,
Speaker 1: like I always say, police have never stopped violence in
Speaker 1: our community. The only thing they've ever done is arrest
Speaker 1: the people who committed the violence, right, So we we
Speaker 1: don't need just people being arrested. We were trying to
Speaker 1: get We're trying to interceed before there is an actual
Speaker 1: crime committed. We want to figure out how do we
Speaker 1: mediate situations, How do we give these people in the
Speaker 1: communities the resources needed so they don't have to feel
Speaker 1: like violence, How do we get the mental health situations
Speaker 1: that they need to make sure that they're okay. So
Speaker 1: I'm just glad that we're going to be really delving
Speaker 1: into this over the next few weeks, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's very gonna be very informative. I
Speaker 1: hope that people are paying attention, you know, because this
Speaker 1: is a topic that is is definitely is literally between
Speaker 1: life and death. It absolutely is. It absolutely isn't it.
Speaker 1: It makes me, um think about like how I got started,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of my personal issue, which you know,
Speaker 1: everybody knows or at least many people as have listened
Speaker 1: to me at any point. You know that my son's
Speaker 1: father was shot and killed, and um, Oftentimes people say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't believe that you guys don't work
Speaker 1: on violence in the community and whatever. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of times there are some people who are
Speaker 1: just trolling, but there are other people who really just
Speaker 1: don't know. They don't know because either you know, one
Speaker 1: thing I think that's important is that folks are they
Speaker 1: only know what they see on the media every single day.
Speaker 1: And so when a Brianna Taylor is killed, or George
Speaker 1: Floyd or the names go on and on and on,
Speaker 1: you're going to see that more often because unfortunately it's
Speaker 1: the media that makes it, uh, they make it salacious,
Speaker 1: um sort of, which is unfortunate to have to use
Speaker 1: that language, but it's true they in in many ways, um,
Speaker 1: not so much glorified, but they certainly exploit uh these issues.
Speaker 1: And then of course you have many people who run
Speaker 1: to these incidents and get involved because of the fact that, um,
Speaker 1: you know, it is high profile and and it's in
Speaker 1: those moments that you see the intersection of racism that
Speaker 1: is really, really present, and it's clear as it connects
Speaker 1: with the loss of black life or the loss of
Speaker 1: brown life. And so folks find their ability to fight
Speaker 1: in the struggle in those moments. Uh, they feel like, yes,
Speaker 1: this is this is when I get to confront the system.
Speaker 1: But in our situation, and for as long as I
Speaker 1: can now remember, in terms of my career and as
Speaker 1: long as I have been working in this movement, I
Speaker 1: have understood that the violence happening in our community is
Speaker 1: also a form of systemic oppression. That racism and white
Speaker 1: supremacy and all of those things play a role in
Speaker 1: why the ray Rays and others of our community feel
Speaker 1: like violence maybe the only choice. And so we have
Speaker 1: to look at confronting the system on many different levels,
Speaker 1: because once once we confront the system, so many different
Speaker 1: things will be corrected, if you will, in our in
Speaker 1: our society, I believe that confronting the system gives us
Speaker 1: the ability, as they say, to take one stone and
Speaker 1: hit several different licks. Um. And that's and that for
Speaker 1: me is why this show and and this this this
Speaker 1: time period is so important because I think we get
Speaker 1: the opportunity to educate people on how they can also
Speaker 1: be a part of this movement. Now. What I do
Speaker 1: understand though, and what I will never ever allow people
Speaker 1: to make us feel, is like, if you are in
Speaker 1: the police accountability movement, you're no good if you're not
Speaker 1: also in the movement to end gun violence, or in
Speaker 1: the education space, or in the housing space. I think
Speaker 1: each person has the right to be in the fight
Speaker 1: and to focus on the thing that is most passionate
Speaker 1: for them and the thing that they have some level
Speaker 1: of expertise in and what impacts them on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: I do not think that we should get into trying
Speaker 1: to force folks that, well, if you do this one thing,
Speaker 1: what the only thing that will make you credible is
Speaker 1: if you work on these other issue us as well.
Speaker 1: I think it's a false narrative. I think it is
Speaker 1: a form. It is being used, if you will, as
Speaker 1: a way to uh to diminish our movements on many
Speaker 1: different levels. Um, we all have something that has impacted us,
Speaker 1: has touched us in a certain way, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was online one day. I won't I think we
Speaker 1: already talked about the individuals, so we won't bring up
Speaker 1: his name today. I saw you know this person on
Speaker 1: a TV show again, won't name him today on Twitter
Speaker 1: basically saying, oh, you know, we get so upset about
Speaker 1: everything else. But does black violence or you know, the
Speaker 1: death of black people, particularly a young black girl, does
Speaker 1: that mean anything to us? And I find that offensive.
Speaker 1: I find it offensive because there are a number of
Speaker 1: activists who are out here every single day who really
Speaker 1: don't work in the police accountability space. A lot of them,
Speaker 1: some of them do, but many of them are deeply
Speaker 1: in the gun violence awareness and and really working to
Speaker 1: combat gun violence. They are out there every single day.
Speaker 1: They do protests, they show up at their elected officials offices,
Speaker 1: they organize, They do a great deal of work. But
Speaker 1: we don't help them. We don't support them in the
Speaker 1: ways in which we should. And I say we as
Speaker 1: a greater community because me personally and you personally, my son,
Speaker 1: we do actually support them. We do actually help to
Speaker 1: bring their the fights that they're involved in. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: to bring more awareness. You have led several marches and
Speaker 1: and other occasions and efforts to try to bring gang
Speaker 1: members together and to and to to actually mitigate violence.
Speaker 1: I've watched you in the projects late at night working
Speaker 1: with Erica Ford and others to try to address some
Speaker 1: of the issues that's happening. Like really, I mean in
Speaker 1: the details, the granulate details of going out there and
Speaker 1: talking to young men, not just standing up at a podium,
Speaker 1: but literally being in the middle of two people who
Speaker 1: could kill each other the next minute, not the next day,
Speaker 1: not the next week, but the next minute. And so
Speaker 1: we do do that work, but as a greater community,
Speaker 1: we do not focus as much of our attention on
Speaker 1: helping these individuals who are out there doing that work
Speaker 1: every day. And that's where I think we need to
Speaker 1: put more of our efforts, not in saying that if
Speaker 1: someone is doing gun violence work that they're they're no
Speaker 1: good if they're not working as much on uh, you know,
Speaker 1: on some other area. I think what we need to
Speaker 1: do is focus on uplifting those who are actually doing
Speaker 1: the work, because there are thousands, thousands of people who
Speaker 1: are out here with organizations and other initiatives and campaigns
Speaker 1: to help deal with gun violence. So that's what I
Speaker 1: have to say on that that's pretty much it I
Speaker 1: think for me, man, it's it's just it's really just
Speaker 1: disingenuous when people make that argument, it's just to try
Speaker 1: to discredit, you know, or because they don't want to
Speaker 1: do any work right. It's it's a lazy argument. It's
Speaker 1: like all lives matter, you know, I say, I'm saying
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just something to distract from what's going on.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's every it's so much violence and
Speaker 1: this in our communities that we deal with every day.
Speaker 1: I know how your inboxes flooded with people about this happen,
Speaker 1: and this happened, and this happened. And unfortunately we can't
Speaker 1: talk about everything right because what happens is it gets
Speaker 1: overwhelmed and this one when we're trying to focus on this,
Speaker 1: and we just keep on talking about all the things
Speaker 1: that happened. We we don't have the capacity, No one organization,
Speaker 1: no one individual has the capacity to talk to talk
Speaker 1: about every act of violence that goes on in the community.
Speaker 1: So what happens is people want to utilize that to
Speaker 1: discredit the fact that you're talking about something, and they
Speaker 1: don't they don't look at the fact that it's not
Speaker 1: that you're especially in our case. It's not that we
Speaker 1: talk about the cases that are getting highlighted. It's that
Speaker 1: the cases that we talk a about tend to get highlighted.
Speaker 1: We don't jump on cases that everybody's, oh, let's do this.
Speaker 1: It's not what we do. You know, we we see
Speaker 1: a need for Southern If we find we find a
Speaker 1: family member or someone we notice into you know, into
Speaker 1: in contact with family members, contacts us and say hey,
Speaker 1: we need help with this, and we see the significancy,
Speaker 1: right then this is something that we really need to
Speaker 1: get on top of, you know, and and and and
Speaker 1: and Another thing is we're we're fighting against a system
Speaker 1: that has not figured out how to have reprimanding and
Speaker 1: how to have consequences for the system. Right this Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we know that when Ray Ray shoots Johnny, he's going
Speaker 1: to do jail time when he gets caught. This is
Speaker 1: we're actually advocated for the system to be held accountable,
Speaker 1: and we also want the resources and things needed in
Speaker 1: our communities so that we can stop the violence in
Speaker 1: our communities. The police are being paid to protect and
Speaker 1: serve us, The police of an oath that they live up.
Speaker 1: These are professionals who went to school, They've studied, they
Speaker 1: went two courses, they understand how to it's ject they're
Speaker 1: supposed to have the escalation tactics. All of these things
Speaker 1: are supposed to being played. So when we talk about that,
Speaker 1: it's not to diminish the fact that Johnny and ray
Speaker 1: Ray are shooting at each other, because we're going to
Speaker 1: deal with that, but it's a different method in which
Speaker 1: we deal with that. Because John john we understand that
Speaker 1: they're dealing with mental health. They don't have resources. They're
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna do life in prison when they and
Speaker 1: this is a that's why the jails are overwhelmed with
Speaker 1: people who look like us, because there's accountability for those individuals.
Speaker 1: We're looking at a system who does not have accountability.
Speaker 1: We're looking at the system where officer Johnson decides that
Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot and kill somebody, there's a very little
Speaker 1: chance that he's gonna be held accountable for that. Right.
Speaker 1: So these are two different issues. Yes, they are definitely
Speaker 1: both black murder, and we will, we want to fight
Speaker 1: for them, but they have to be fought on two
Speaker 1: different fronts, and they have to be fought two different ways.
Speaker 1: So do not try to diminish the fight that we
Speaker 1: have to try to fight that the system is held
Speaker 1: accountable for killing us, and and then try to interchange
Speaker 1: it or interconnected with the fight that we have and
Speaker 1: trying to stop the violence in our own communities. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're definitely both violenced, but there are two different fights.
Speaker 1: So start trying to connect all of them and try
Speaker 1: to make it seem like if we fight for one,
Speaker 1: we can't fight for both, or we don't fight for both. No,
Speaker 1: I I agree with you, and I'll just say this
Speaker 1: really quick point. I think that one thing we know
Speaker 1: is that if we are able to win in our
Speaker 1: efforts to defund police and refund our communities, that is
Speaker 1: one way that the two things connect. Because if we
Speaker 1: can take resources out of the six billion dollar budget
Speaker 1: in a place like New York City that police officers
Speaker 1: at this point now enjoy that the police department is
Speaker 1: able to draw down on a six billion dollar budget,
Speaker 1: If we're able to take a few billion dollars of
Speaker 1: that budget away, and if it to our communities to build,
Speaker 1: to uplift, to empower our people, we do believe that
Speaker 1: it will help to mitigate much of the violence that
Speaker 1: we see and that's why we will never stop talking
Speaker 1: about defunding police. No matter what folks say the word
Speaker 1: they don't like. Find come up with any word you want,
Speaker 1: and I support it as long as the word is
Speaker 1: attached to taking the resources and moving them to our community.
Speaker 1: Before we go to the next segment and have our
Speaker 1: special guests joint, we're gonna take a quick break for
Speaker 1: our sponsors, I said, you know what, what what my
Speaker 1: thought of the day is for today. I have a
Speaker 1: friend who's a Republican and um, I follow him on
Speaker 1: social media. I don't really know if his him being
Speaker 1: Republican plays a role in this thought, but it's important
Speaker 1: to mention that for me because he and I often
Speaker 1: have debate. However, he's a great guy. He's in New York. Um,
Speaker 1: he's a very you know, he's a uh, he's not
Speaker 1: really an elected official, but he's worked in government and
Speaker 1: he's a pretty powerful person. And so I noticed that
Speaker 1: lately he's been posting the shootings and you know the
Speaker 1: aftermath of these violent situations, he's been posting stories that
Speaker 1: I don't even know about. Um in the media that
Speaker 1: shows you know, young girl, young man or whatever. Massive
Speaker 1: shootings where multiple people are hurt in the hood, and
Speaker 1: he's been saying, you know, what the hell are we
Speaker 1: gonna do about this? He obviously is extremely frustrated and um,
Speaker 1: and he should be, because what we're seeing happening in
Speaker 1: this moment is definitely absolutely unacceptable, and it's happening all
Speaker 1: too often. Um you know. But the other day I
Speaker 1: saw a post that he put up about a white
Speaker 1: woman who was attacked and mauled by mauled, I guess
Speaker 1: by a white man. And um, you know, the woman said,
Speaker 1: just out of nowhere, this man attacked her. And the
Speaker 1: one thing I will say is that this guy, my
Speaker 1: my friend. He is an equal opportunity person who's frustrated
Speaker 1: about everything. He gets frustrated with the Republicans. He certainly
Speaker 1: was not a Trump supporter. Um you know, he gets
Speaker 1: frustrated with the Democrats. He's all he's he's he's always um,
Speaker 1: you know, bringing attention to things that's happening that are wrong.
Speaker 1: But the statement he made as a part of this
Speaker 1: particular post about the white man who harmed this white
Speaker 1: woman was at what point are we going to stop
Speaker 1: and deal with the mental health issues happening in our nation.
Speaker 1: And I sat with that and said, I'm gonna write him,
Speaker 1: which I haven't done yet because I wanted to come
Speaker 1: here and talk to you and get your feelings. I
Speaker 1: didn't you and I haven't discussed this. I want to
Speaker 1: understand why is it that when that people seem to
Speaker 1: go automatically to punitive measures, because he said, lock them
Speaker 1: up when they've been shooting, you know, when he sees
Speaker 1: shootings and bad things happen, and lock them up. You know,
Speaker 1: these guys need to be caught. You can't defund the
Speaker 1: police when you have this type of behavior. Where are
Speaker 1: the cops? They need all of that. But when it
Speaker 1: came to this white man attacking a white woman, his
Speaker 1: thing was when are we going to deal with mental
Speaker 1: health services? And I think for me, my thought of
Speaker 1: the day is that we need mental health support in
Speaker 1: the black community today more than we probably ever have
Speaker 1: because coming out of this pandemic, as we have been saying,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about more during the show, people have
Speaker 1: been harmed in real substantive ways, being locked into their homes,
Speaker 1: um you know, having beasts that have now started online
Speaker 1: because people weren't out interacting in the street, they don't
Speaker 1: have jobs, they have family members who may have died. Uh,
Speaker 1: they have lost in general. And as you used to
Speaker 1: say all the time, just watching the news every day
Speaker 1: had a mental impact, a negative mental impact on all
Speaker 1: of us because of the fear and you know, just
Speaker 1: feeling so it was, it was uncomfortable. So why don't
Speaker 1: people see the need for us to have the mental
Speaker 1: health support that they automatically see when it comes to
Speaker 1: white people. You let me to answer that. It's the
Speaker 1: same reason why you know, when there was, uh, the
Speaker 1: the war on drugs, you know, and in the crown
Speaker 1: wars were to lock us up and then and when
Speaker 1: the drugs went to the white neighborhoods, it became a
Speaker 1: health crisis. Right, it's the same because unfortunately black people
Speaker 1: have been dehumanized. You know that, I've seen it. I
Speaker 1: actually seen a video going around and it's this young
Speaker 1: man talking on the video and he's talking how there's
Speaker 1: a gene in black people that gives them perplexity to violence.
Speaker 1: Like I forgot the name of the gene, but he
Speaker 1: literally gave the name of the gene and said that
Speaker 1: black people have this gene in them that makes them
Speaker 1: naturally more violent. I mean, listen, it's the dumbest sh
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, because history history shows you who's been
Speaker 1: more violent, who's been more priding about So we that
Speaker 1: that what I'm trying to tell you. It's the mentality, right,
Speaker 1: and that's what it is for me. And it's not
Speaker 1: so much of political party is not democratic Republican. It's
Speaker 1: the Republican mind state, right. The mind state of Republicans
Speaker 1: is those who are the least of these are the problems, right,
Speaker 1: That is them. That is the mindset that people have encompassed.
Speaker 1: They have encompassed that when you go to these these
Speaker 1: neighborhoods where people have nothing and they're poor, and it's
Speaker 1: because there's something wrong with them. It ain't because the
Speaker 1: structure of the system has created that. It is those
Speaker 1: people are bad people. We need to get rid of them,
Speaker 1: and in their mind states, we need to get rid
Speaker 1: of them one way. We need to lock them up,
Speaker 1: we need to do whatever we need to do. But
Speaker 1: we we just don't need them around hurt and our
Speaker 1: good people. So when you see the white people who
Speaker 1: you automatically attribute, because we've already most of black people
Speaker 1: think that the white man's ice is colder. Right, So
Speaker 1: when you see a white man who most of the
Speaker 1: time you see him being portrayed in a positive light.
Speaker 1: He's portrayed as a businessman. They own the companies you'll
Speaker 1: be at, they live in all the nice neighborhoods. You
Speaker 1: can't attribute anything other and then there has to be
Speaker 1: something mentally wrong with this individual, right, So you attribute
Speaker 1: that to a white person because in your mind, these
Speaker 1: are good, successful people, will have everything. What else would
Speaker 1: make them just be violent? When you look at black people,
Speaker 1: you say, these are people who come from nothing, there
Speaker 1: in the worst neighborhoods. This and that that. Everything that
Speaker 1: we've ever been taught about this species, these people, this
Speaker 1: human species that we dave dave somehow eliminated us from
Speaker 1: some level of humanity, right, Everything that we've been taught
Speaker 1: about them shows us negativity. So we just don't even
Speaker 1: want to be around that. We want to help the
Speaker 1: white man because we see that there has to be
Speaker 1: some mental issues that can be changed. But in our mind,
Speaker 1: what we've been shown about black people, our whole lives,
Speaker 1: is everything negative. You can't help them. We just need
Speaker 1: to lock them up and get rid of them, and
Speaker 1: that's it. And that's what that's where the mindsett comes from.
Speaker 1: So even as a black man, when you when you
Speaker 1: share Republican value use right, even as a good person,
Speaker 1: it's mean that you have been indoctrinated into a mind
Speaker 1: state that makes you believe that even your own people
Speaker 1: are the problem. You don't even want to say it.
Speaker 1: You don't say it publicly because you want to because
Speaker 1: to believe that you, when you're a successful black man, right,
Speaker 1: that that luck didn't play a part that position in
Speaker 1: that time, and that all the things that you're to
Speaker 1: not believe that you're an exception to that rule. When
Speaker 1: you when you can look in and say, the majority
Speaker 1: of people that look like me do not have the
Speaker 1: same opportunities and resources and things that I've had. If you,
Speaker 1: if you have conditioned your mind to believe I made
Speaker 1: it out, everybody can make it up. Once you get
Speaker 1: that mind state right, once you've indoctrinate that mind state,
Speaker 1: then you you've disconnected yourself from the real reality of
Speaker 1: ninety more percent of black people. You know, once you
Speaker 1: start realizing you're not the rule, you're the exception and
Speaker 1: you and you not realizing that, then you you've you've
Speaker 1: going somewhere else, and you can't really help us. It's
Speaker 1: impossible for you to help us because the mentality and
Speaker 1: the strategy that you think can help us can't. M Wow,
Speaker 1: it's pretty deep, pretty deep. But less help ourselves by
Speaker 1: making sure that you know. And one of the bigger
Speaker 1: issues that we're dealing with are the economics in our community.
Speaker 1: And that's why we've been using our platform to ensure
Speaker 1: that people know about black businesses, small businesses, UM, so
Speaker 1: that people are out here and able to go and
Speaker 1: continue to support. Support, support, support those folks who have
Speaker 1: held out through this entire pandemic. They were already probably
Speaker 1: struggling and you know, struggling with trying to find their
Speaker 1: way as a small business, but certainly over the last
Speaker 1: year it has been even more so. If you want
Speaker 1: to help us in any way to address the issues
Speaker 1: happening in our community, one of the main things that
Speaker 1: you can do is support black business. Is because we
Speaker 1: hire our people more, we give more opportunities to UM,
Speaker 1: you know, those folks who look like us and UM.
Speaker 1: It takes us off the street, right, It takes a
Speaker 1: small business owner off the street, and and and and
Speaker 1: puts them in a position where they're able to take
Speaker 1: care of themselves and they don't have to resort to
Speaker 1: any form of negativity or crime in order to survive.
Speaker 1: Because we have a beautiful guest with us today, someone
Speaker 1: who has been through a lot. You know, we don't
Speaker 1: really talk about how women are impacted by gun violence.
Speaker 1: We talk about how brothers are locked up because of
Speaker 1: gun violence. Our brothers are losing their lives. For black
Speaker 1: women are definitely impacted. They are victims of it, They've
Speaker 1: seen it. They are mothers who've lost children. And today
Speaker 1: with who we have with us today is Miss Patience Murray. Now,
Speaker 1: I first met Miss Patience Murray an event that a
Speaker 1: friend of mine, Miss Maggie Carry, was throwing cold wounded
Speaker 1: with the lives and it was a room full of
Speaker 1: women who had been impacted, who had been shot, who
Speaker 1: had lost loved ones. It was one of the most
Speaker 1: emotional rooms I've ever been in. I actually started shedding
Speaker 1: tears just hearing their stories. You know, there were women
Speaker 1: who had lost their sight, women had got shot in
Speaker 1: the odds, women who were had bullets still inside them.
Speaker 1: There's so many different issues that I never had talked
Speaker 1: about or even experienced, you know, So this is one
Speaker 1: of the most life changing rooms I've ever been. And
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have our sister Maggie to talk about her
Speaker 1: foundations and what it represents her being a survivor herself.
Speaker 1: But today we have the beautiful miss Patience Mary, who
Speaker 1: is of a survivor of the shooting in the post
Speaker 1: nightclub situation that happened in Orlando, Florida, Florida in the
Speaker 1: year sixteen. It was all over the news and she
Speaker 1: is one of the survivors of that. Unfortunately, her sister
Speaker 1: was one of those who did not survive that situation.
Speaker 1: So she survived actually the shots as to being wounded
Speaker 1: and and then had to deal with the loss of
Speaker 1: her sister. So this is gonna be something that is
Speaker 1: very life changing and and I'm just glad in honor
Speaker 1: to have you with us today. Patients. Well, I'm so
Speaker 1: blessed to be here. Thank you, Patience. We're so sorry
Speaker 1: about your sister. You know, I saw you grab your
Speaker 1: chest and I'm sure that it never gets better, you
Speaker 1: know that it it's just constantly a feeling of um,
Speaker 1: you know, just why do we even go that night?
Speaker 1: What else could we have done? You know? All the
Speaker 1: things that you probably are experiencing that never ever go away.
Speaker 1: And I think too many people don't understand what it
Speaker 1: feels like to lose UM, a loved one in general,
Speaker 1: but specifically to lose a loved one UM in the
Speaker 1: midst of something that has now become such a high
Speaker 1: profile event. Unfortunately. UM, you know there's a difference. It is.
Speaker 1: You know, there are there are shootings, there is murder,
Speaker 1: there's all types of things that take place, But when
Speaker 1: it is in the midst of something that becomes a
Speaker 1: media issue or a big media moment, it takes on
Speaker 1: another layer because you're constantly reliving it, You're constantly having
Speaker 1: to talk about it, You're constantly having people wanting to
Speaker 1: probe for their own reasons, not necessarily because they really
Speaker 1: care about you and or your loved one. UM. And
Speaker 1: you wrote a book, and I want you to talk
Speaker 1: about that book and talk about what made you sit
Speaker 1: down and say, you know, I want to write my story.
Speaker 1: This is the time for me to tell this story. UM,
Speaker 1: you know what was the motivation? Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for that. Honestly, I know you understand what it's like
Speaker 1: to experience loss, and I had to do my homework
Speaker 1: about YouTube, and I'm sorry for the loss that you
Speaker 1: experience with Jason, and that's the loss is always the
Speaker 1: transformational experience. I feel like that thrust you into your
Speaker 1: destiny and your purpose. And Akira married. She was actually
Speaker 1: my sister in law, so I actually didn't get to
Speaker 1: grace that experience with her while she was alive. So
Speaker 1: my husband is her older brother, and we found love
Speaker 1: after this whole tragedy. And I talked about it in
Speaker 1: the book Survived and Lived the Patient's car to Story
Speaker 1: and ultimately it's the beginning from everything that happened before
Speaker 1: Paul's leading up to that moment in that night, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to just touch on it.
Speaker 1: But I was there with two friends and we went
Speaker 1: there a regular girl's night and then at one a
Speaker 1: m gunshot started going off. And I'm from Philadelphia, which
Speaker 1: is also nicknamed Philadelphia, but I never experienced gun violence
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. My first experience with gun violence was in
Speaker 1: a mass shooting, So that kind of stewed my view
Speaker 1: of gun violence. Little bit and match. You things account
Speaker 1: for one percent, just one percent of gun violence in America,
Speaker 1: Yet that's all we see on the news right and
Speaker 1: I'm a mating survivor, so I had this very skewed
Speaker 1: deal of gun violence. But the reality is that the
Speaker 1: most people affected by gun violence are black people in America, right,
Speaker 1: And it's everyday violence. It's not just match you, it's right.
Speaker 1: So having to grapple with that, that's where I am
Speaker 1: so so so I hate to ask for this, but
Speaker 1: unfortunately it's important to bring people to that night. M M.
Speaker 1: I know you talked about this on a number of
Speaker 1: platforms MO times, but street politicians listeners may not have
Speaker 1: heard it or may need to be reminded. So can
Speaker 1: you take us that to that night you decided to
Speaker 1: go out with two friends. What happens? You guys are
Speaker 1: having a great time, and then what happens. Wow, we
Speaker 1: were having a great time. That's the most important thing.
Speaker 1: And anybody can just be out having a great time
Speaker 1: with their friends right at the club that night, it
Speaker 1: was the best night ever. Like there's like really no
Speaker 1: other way to say it. It It was the best night ever.
Speaker 1: We had a blast. Akira, Tier and I were all
Speaker 1: there for vacation, so I'm in Philadelphia. That was my
Speaker 1: first time getting on the plane. Guys, Because when you
Speaker 1: said you were from Philadelphia. Early I was thinking you
Speaker 1: met you from Philadelphia, but you moved to Orlando, and
Speaker 1: you know you you were living in Florida. What you're
Speaker 1: saying is that you all were on vacation and went
Speaker 1: out that night as a part of a vacation. That
Speaker 1: was the first night of vacation. Wow, all right, So
Speaker 1: I spent So I was actually shot in both in
Speaker 1: my legs, and the bullet that entered my right thish
Speaker 1: stuttered my femur. So I have a metal ride and
Speaker 1: screws for the rest of my life. And I actually
Speaker 1: have a bullet fragment that's going to be there for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life unless it gives me problems.
Speaker 1: But the reality is it was just vacation. It could
Speaker 1: have been anybody. It could have been any three girls
Speaker 1: walking into a club from Philly experiencing that situation that night.
Speaker 1: So and the fact that I'm even here, the fact
Speaker 1: that I'm alive, that I had breath, that's a miracle,
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm able to do all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to get to it. I definitely want
Speaker 1: to get to it. But I'm I'm the intending chief
Speaker 1: vision officer for the Gun Violence Survivors Foundation, And I
Speaker 1: never understood how important it was to have a foundation
Speaker 1: just solely dedicated to survivors, because I thought that there
Speaker 1: were all these resources for gun violence survivors, because my
Speaker 1: view of gun violence, being a gun violence survivor, was
Speaker 1: in this mass shooting. So I had this outpour of
Speaker 1: community love and support from Orlando. But the reality is
Speaker 1: people experience gun violence every day and they don't get
Speaker 1: that outward blood. They don't get, of course support. So
Speaker 1: the Gun Violence Survivrus Foundation basically is the foundation that
Speaker 1: answers those unmet needs, those unseen survivors, those people who
Speaker 1: feel neglected and feel forgotten. That's what I'm trying to address.
Speaker 1: And this whole experience has truly just changed my life.
Speaker 1: And there's so many things that changed my life, especially
Speaker 1: my brother died last year at the start of COVID.
Speaker 1: He was my oldest of my oldest brother. He died
Speaker 1: at thirty four years old. But he died with a
Speaker 1: smile on his face. It was a smile stuck on
Speaker 1: his face in the casket, and that sparked my spiritual journey.
Speaker 1: And I know you're spiritual as well, but sparked this
Speaker 1: journey of trying to figure out how can I get
Speaker 1: this joy, true joy on the inside of me now
Speaker 1: while I'm here and service serving others. Serving others is
Speaker 1: the joy. And I get to serve with the Gun
Speaker 1: Bounced Survirus Foundation among so many great people, and I'm honored,
Speaker 1: I'm truly honored to be here with you to be
Speaker 1: able to bring this up and talk about this. There's
Speaker 1: no federal funding for gun violence survivor research. There's a
Speaker 1: paste and gun violence, but as far as gun violence
Speaker 1: survivors go, and you're gun violence survivor, you experienced gun violence,
Speaker 1: and your survivor, what were the unmet needs that you
Speaker 1: may have experience with less of access to mental health care,
Speaker 1: free free disservices, of talking to someone, And that's the
Speaker 1: things that people don't have. So that's what you're fighting for.
Speaker 1: That's what we're fighting for, the gun violence survivors. And
Speaker 1: there was the spike and gun violence, right so that
Speaker 1: also means there's a spike in families that have been
Speaker 1: affected by gun violence. And there's been a spike of
Speaker 1: gun violence survivors. So there's this group of people and
Speaker 1: Ben Do she's our vice president right now. She has
Speaker 1: done this research, and there's no federal funding for gun
Speaker 1: violence survivor research, but she's done this on her own.
Speaker 1: There's over one million gun violence survivors who aren't receiving health,
Speaker 1: not free health, not free healthcare, not free mental health care.
Speaker 1: Even the certain codes for medical billing they judge in
Speaker 1: the coding. There's no code for a person that was
Speaker 1: injured by an assault rifle, but it wasn't their fault.
Speaker 1: So if it goes under assault in the medical coding,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get reaversed for your medical bills, simply
Speaker 1: because the way it's coded. But there is no code
Speaker 1: for gun violence survivors who just happened to be shot
Speaker 1: like me, who just happened to be in a situation
Speaker 1: on vacation, who just happened to be leaving school, who
Speaker 1: just happened to be at the wrong place at the
Speaker 1: wrong time. But this is the reality of everyday violence.
Speaker 1: There are people experiencing this, this crime every day, and
Speaker 1: they're not able to get the access to resource they need. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's really that's really telling, just to understand
Speaker 1: that just the way that word is worded and coded,
Speaker 1: that there's actually no one who's been held accountable or
Speaker 1: have resources to give you. So just listening to the things,
Speaker 1: it seems like your life has changed a life. What
Speaker 1: other ways can you say that since this night your
Speaker 1: life has changed well and positively. I found love. I'm
Speaker 1: married now, my husband, Alex Murray is there's a miracle
Speaker 1: in itself. Let me just tell you so, to hurt
Speaker 1: people are obviously going to hurt people. My husband was
Speaker 1: struggling with his own loss of his sister that was
Speaker 1: his best friend, that was his best friend, right and
Speaker 1: I was dealing with being shot in both of my legs,
Speaker 1: experiencing being held houstage for three hours and having to
Speaker 1: unravel all the the PTSD from my own childhood and
Speaker 1: bringing all of that into one relationship right fast forward.
Speaker 1: There is life after tragedy. You can't find love after tragedy.
Speaker 1: You don't have to stay broken forever. My husband and
Speaker 1: I are now two years in Hey and our anniversary
Speaker 1: has come up August. Funny fit and we we actually
Speaker 1: got married at the Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia and
Speaker 1: they're a championship team on if you guys know about
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. But um boring and braids and Philly,
Speaker 1: so I have to shout out the eagles, and we
Speaker 1: had our loving wedding there and it was beautiful. I'm
Speaker 1: grateful to have that experience with love because for a
Speaker 1: long time I thought I couldn't receive it, and for
Speaker 1: a long time I identified with this tragic experience as
Speaker 1: the only I didn't be that I would ever have.
Speaker 1: And the reality is, this experience has given me so
Speaker 1: much more purpose and I've never honestly, if I look
Speaker 1: back at me in school and growing up in Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: I would have never thought that I would be an
Speaker 1: advocate for gun violence or advocate for gun violence survivors.
Speaker 1: And even when my situation first happened, I received so
Speaker 1: much pushback from conspiracy theorists of just from speaking out,
Speaker 1: just from sharing my story. And I'm sure you understand
Speaker 1: what that's like to have a community people just hating
Speaker 1: you for no reason. Um, but that scared me away
Speaker 1: from my advocacy, and to be here now, unafraid, it
Speaker 1: feels good. And it feels good to know that nothing
Speaker 1: is gonna stop me from changing lives, changing lives that
Speaker 1: I was put on this earth here to do, and
Speaker 1: that's helping me understand why I survived in the first place.
Speaker 1: Why did I survive and for you and other people didn't?
Speaker 1: Why was I still made it out? I made it
Speaker 1: out of the club, but I went back in and
Speaker 1: I still made it out a second time, and that's
Speaker 1: a miracle. So I'm happy to be here. I'm just
Speaker 1: so blessed in this moment to be speaking with you
Speaker 1: guys and sharing this awareness about gun violence survivors and
Speaker 1: what they need. Why did you go back in the club?
Speaker 1: What made you go back? One of my friends were
Speaker 1: still in there, so Akira is the one that did
Speaker 1: not make it, but she and I both made it out,
Speaker 1: So we made a decision to walk back into the
Speaker 1: club for our other friend, Tierra, her cousin. So a
Speaker 1: cure is shot you. So at this point, none of
Speaker 1: us were shot. So this is how it happened. It's
Speaker 1: at one fifty a am. Shooting started breaking out. I'm
Speaker 1: scooting on the floor backwards and I feel the ground
Speaker 1: on my hands because they just happened to be this
Speaker 1: exit door. And I made it out, and I saw
Speaker 1: Akira running towards me. I look up at her before
Speaker 1: I know she's over top of me, and I see
Speaker 1: this skuy behind here. I'm like, where's Tierra. Tierra was
Speaker 1: still inside. We have to go get her. A cure
Speaker 1: runs in, I go in, and at that point we
Speaker 1: had to make a decision. Everybody was running into the bathrooms,
Speaker 1: nobody was running to the exit door, so we decided
Speaker 1: to follow the people going into the bathrooms. And that's
Speaker 1: what started the gunfire, the gun actually coming into the bathroom,
Speaker 1: and the three hour hostage wait for the police to
Speaker 1: come in and get us. And Akira unfortunately didn't make
Speaker 1: it through those three hours. So you guys made it outside,
Speaker 1: but your friend was still inside and got shot when
Speaker 1: you return inside to try to find your friend. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean that is it's that is such an incredible story.
Speaker 1: And also I think it speaks so much to your advocacy,
Speaker 1: the fact that you're going back inside again, over and
Speaker 1: over again, You're going back inside. I am I'm just
Speaker 1: completely you finished me. I'm finished, Mike. Maybe you can
Speaker 1: help us because I'm finished. I just I just think
Speaker 1: for me. First of all, I just want to just
Speaker 1: um commend the bravery. You know, there ain't too many
Speaker 1: people running back into the club with someone to shooting
Speaker 1: to get a friend. You know, so that that and
Speaker 1: that in itself needs to be commended, and I just
Speaker 1: and I also just want to say I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: you even had to experience that, you know, three hours
Speaker 1: in the level of trauma and PSTD. I know that
Speaker 1: you had to experience just sitting there. You know, my
Speaker 1: song makes up words on street and I think I
Speaker 1: didn't say PTZ PSTD God because well sometimes I make
Speaker 1: up my warriors, but PTSD, the level of PTSD that
Speaker 1: you had to be experienced after sitting in a bathroom
Speaker 1: for three hours shot and trying to figure out hope,
Speaker 1: and that you actually make it out of there with
Speaker 1: other people in their shot, some of them who didn't
Speaker 1: make it like that in itself, it's something that I
Speaker 1: couldn't even fathom having to deal with. So, you know,
Speaker 1: we just want to say we commend you, and you
Speaker 1: know you also have our condolences, and I was we
Speaker 1: just I just wish to have the strength that you have.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not me, it's not me, it's God
Speaker 1: is my strength. And that's what I'm staring right now.
Speaker 1: And this is why I'm stepping into this leadership because
Speaker 1: it wasn't me. For five years, I was crumbling for
Speaker 1: five years, crumbling pretending to be healed, pretending to be happy,
Speaker 1: pretending to be this advocate. Right now, I'm finally where
Speaker 1: God has designed me to be, and it feels great,
Speaker 1: and I want to share the message with other people, like, listen,
Speaker 1: you don't have to stay broken. You don't have to
Speaker 1: stay broken. And I can go through what I went through.
Speaker 1: You can make it through whatever it is that you're
Speaker 1: going through right now. Wow, Well, we are so thankful,
Speaker 1: so grateful, so humble or honored, so blessed to have
Speaker 1: had you on, especially for the first of a now
Speaker 1: a series. For the next several weeks, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about gun violence, and we wanted to be intentional
Speaker 1: about addressing women and the fact that women are also impacted,
Speaker 1: because people often see gun violence as just being something
Speaker 1: that exists within um, you know, with with our men um.
Speaker 1: And we know that that's not true. We know that
Speaker 1: women UM, as my son said, I become the caretakers
Speaker 1: of people who have been killed, experienced the pain, but
Speaker 1: also that women actually are victims, physical victims, UM. And
Speaker 1: to have you on today, to have you here to
Speaker 1: tell your story, all that keeps coming to me is
Speaker 1: that you continue to go back in UM and take
Speaker 1: some of us with you, take as many of us
Speaker 1: as you can, back into our communities, back into those
Speaker 1: difficult places where where we may sacrifice ourselves. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, what good does it make
Speaker 1: that we are alive and well and thriving if our
Speaker 1: people are caught in the midst of such trauma, are
Speaker 1: trapped in trauma, trapped in the bathroom. If you will,
Speaker 1: UM and so patients. God bless you, God bless you
Speaker 1: on your journey. Thank you so much for telling your
Speaker 1: story today. It's not enough time. We can talk more
Speaker 1: and more and more, but we appreciate and love uh
Speaker 1: you so much. And you always have an audience here
Speaker 1: at Street Politicians that any time you want to come
Speaker 1: back and bring us any information, when you want us
Speaker 1: to share anything, we want to do that to support you. Yes,
Speaker 1: tell us the name of your book, where can we
Speaker 1: get the book, Tell people how they can follow you,
Speaker 1: because you are a leader and you definitely need to
Speaker 1: be followed. To give all the information so we can
Speaker 1: share it with the audience. Well, my book Survived and
Speaker 1: Lived is available everywhere and Survived and Live dot com.
Speaker 1: And you can follow me on Instagram at p A. E. Carter.
Speaker 1: That easy. Amen, Well I'm gonna follow you. I'm having
Speaker 1: follower right now to know I am. You know, make
Speaker 1: sure please drop drop your information for me in the
Speaker 1: chat before you go. Thanks, take care, keep doing God's work.
Speaker 1: I think Maggie is with us. You know, she's a
Speaker 1: hot girl, hot girl song all day long. Okay mess
Speaker 1: right now, you're not a hot mess. We just had
Speaker 1: Patience Murray on um who attended Wounded but Alive. She
Speaker 1: was there for an incredible event that you hosted, and
Speaker 1: she just talked about her situation. I mean, obviously you
Speaker 1: know the story. She was shot in post nightclub um
Speaker 1: barta uh. And but she's now in an organization called
Speaker 1: Survived Survive then Live, Yeah Live, and she's doing great work.
Speaker 1: And um, my son and I thought that we didn't.
Speaker 1: We thought you would come another week. You know, we're
Speaker 1: doing a series of about six shows on gun violence.
Speaker 1: But we wanted to be intentional by starting with this
Speaker 1: conversation around how women are impacted because not enough it
Speaker 1: is out there, not enough information, not enough conversation, is
Speaker 1: not enough resources and advocacy. And my song was saying,
Speaker 1: but we need Maggie on We met patients through and
Speaker 1: here I am. I'm gonna side of the hallway, but
Speaker 1: I'm here. That's what that's what that's having friends do
Speaker 1: your friends on the side of the hillway. I'm on
Speaker 1: the side of the turnpike, but I'm here. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna keep you on the side of the turnpike. We
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. I just want to know Maggie.
Speaker 1: You know, Will will fill people in on the details
Speaker 1: of what happened to you. M urban plaza. There's no
Speaker 1: urban palace of Plaza Plaza Plaza Plaza. We'll fill folks
Speaker 1: in on that while you're gone. But you started an
Speaker 1: organization and you bought women together and you've you've been
Speaker 1: doing that work along with all the other things that
Speaker 1: you're involved in. Why did you Why did you decide
Speaker 1: to start an organization? UM? I feel like when I
Speaker 1: got shot, I couldn't identified with anyone I felt like
Speaker 1: I was with I was at the time dating someone
Speaker 1: who also been shot. But I feel like a man
Speaker 1: being shot or a man being injured is way worse
Speaker 1: than a woman being injured. And they don't identify with
Speaker 1: us because you know, guys just you know, pick up
Speaker 1: and they're talked to just shake it off. And we
Speaker 1: were deal with our own insecurities daily. I wake up,
Speaker 1: I'm worried about my hair, my eyelashes, this that now
Speaker 1: I have a bullet in my leg and a rod
Speaker 1: from my knee in my hip, and I know I
Speaker 1: can't run, No, I can't go to the gym. And
Speaker 1: they see self conscious moments that I felt like, I
Speaker 1: knew it was other women out there that I needed
Speaker 1: to speak to. Mm hmmm, no, no, that's real. And
Speaker 1: you know, and I was just saying that they we
Speaker 1: don't really focus enough about how women are are impacted
Speaker 1: by gun violence. Our women are victims, you know. And
Speaker 1: I was saying how when we actually went to your event,
Speaker 1: it was life changing for me. It was a bunch
Speaker 1: of women in there that you had to have visible
Speaker 1: scars and had a lot of different stories that actually
Speaker 1: had me in tears. You know. It was one of
Speaker 1: the most life changing events that I went to. And
Speaker 1: you know, and and I just want to say thank
Speaker 1: you for having me there, you know, thank you for
Speaker 1: allowing me to even visual thank Yeah, it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was a life changing experience. I just want to know, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we know that you started the organization, how
Speaker 1: was it being like, because you talk about the trauma
Speaker 1: and way men deal with certain things, how has it
Speaker 1: been for you just dealing with that situation that happened
Speaker 1: with you? Well, it's hard. Um, we've been having his rainstorms.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you gotta see. And like, so when
Speaker 1: it rains, my leg malfunctions, like it gives out at
Speaker 1: any moment. And then when when I'm running errand so
Speaker 1: I have to go to the supermarket or the post
Speaker 1: office or the bank, and I pull up in the
Speaker 1: handicap and up on my handicap signing, and I got
Speaker 1: these old people looking at me crazy. Are regular people
Speaker 1: looking at me crazy? But they don't know like what
Speaker 1: I'm going through, So it's hard to like And then
Speaker 1: I want to go to the gym, I want to run.
Speaker 1: I only could do the StairMaster or you know, people
Speaker 1: don't you know, they don't look at that, or they
Speaker 1: don't understand the daily struggles of not only the scars,
Speaker 1: Like I have three scars, so I got one covered
Speaker 1: up for like a tap two of a feather that
Speaker 1: was sent to men too. But it's hard and this
Speaker 1: is why I wanted to do more in my organization.
Speaker 1: I actually wanted to start a four where we can
Speaker 1: go to different cities and meet women like actual and
Speaker 1: the actual tour bus and get airbnbs and give them
Speaker 1: all these services because I just want people to know
Speaker 1: that we see them, these ladies, to know it was
Speaker 1: women there that you know, been shot in the face.
Speaker 1: Someone got shot when she had a five month baby
Speaker 1: and she's paralyzed. She had to rock her baby in
Speaker 1: a in a in a chair. So and I know
Speaker 1: it's women like this all over the world. So I
Speaker 1: just want to be able to reach them because although
Speaker 1: I may not show it every day and my my
Speaker 1: social as I am going through exactly what they're going through. Wow,
Speaker 1: what we want to Maggie. You know that you you're um,
Speaker 1: such a beautiful sister and your little sister to us
Speaker 1: and we love you so much. And and and I
Speaker 1: know the struggle. You know, I've heard you talk about
Speaker 1: the struggle of how deep it is this mental space
Speaker 1: of of having to keep going but also having that
Speaker 1: memory of what took place that night. You just out
Speaker 1: having a good time. You weren't thinking in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, that you could get shot, that it
Speaker 1: would be you, of all the people it was, but
Speaker 1: it was you for a reason. It was you for
Speaker 1: a reason because you had the profile and the audience
Speaker 1: to be able to bring other women together to tell
Speaker 1: their stories. And um, and we want to continue to
Speaker 1: support you. We probably haven't done enough. Let's do more.
Speaker 1: How can people support you, you and your organization right now? Well,
Speaker 1: right now we just have our Instagram up which is
Speaker 1: wounded but a live w B a UM. I'm also
Speaker 1: gonna take now that COVID is like calming down. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see how to get to different cities and just
Speaker 1: provide services, local services with the hairstyle is and manicurists
Speaker 1: and massagists and then we all do our healing session
Speaker 1: where we sit in a group and we just talk
Speaker 1: and we let it out and then we drink and
Speaker 1: then we paint and then we I just want to
Speaker 1: do that just and re single state that I can touch,
Speaker 1: because gun violence is happening everywhere and us women are
Speaker 1: the ones that are being hurt and we have no
Speaker 1: one to talk to about it. Yeah, Well, we're inviting
Speaker 1: you publicly to be a part of the state of
Speaker 1: emergency Tour until Freedom. Our organization is our organization is
Speaker 1: starting a tour very very soon, and we'd love to
Speaker 1: have you to join to be a part of it
Speaker 1: so that we can help you with some of the
Speaker 1: costs for what you're doing, um and you know, so
Speaker 1: that we could help to provide some of the structural
Speaker 1: resources that you may need to make sure that it
Speaker 1: is uh, that it's done properly and that is done
Speaker 1: in Maggie carry fashion. I would love that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we needed you, love to have you to be a
Speaker 1: part of their Other organizations and individuals who will be
Speaker 1: joining the tour dealing with many different issues, um, and
Speaker 1: to have you to be a part of it would
Speaker 1: be great as well. Yes, I would love that, I
Speaker 1: need it and I would love I would love that. Well.
Speaker 1: Once again, we want to congratulate you on turning your
Speaker 1: you know, your pain into triumph and a lot of
Speaker 1: people are not able to do that. So I'm just
Speaker 1: waddling it. You've taken that pain and you've been able
Speaker 1: to utilize your pain to help other people grow and
Speaker 1: you know, feel comfortable and have a foundation that invites
Speaker 1: others and show them that they're not alone. So you know,
Speaker 1: once again. We love you, so we're gonna see love
Speaker 1: you guys. He'd be safe when you get off the highway.
Speaker 1: But you know we're about to start parenting. I know
Speaker 1: I will. I'll put my signal on when I go out.
Speaker 1: Please there, Well what is it ten and six or something?
Speaker 1: I don't know which way it goes? Then you look,
Speaker 1: put the phone down. I am go slow, probably got
Speaker 1: to go fast do old school. Put a hand up
Speaker 1: the window, so this is the turn pack. I gotta
Speaker 1: do them in there. But thank you, guys, I love you.
Speaker 1: That was I love Maggie. I done. Has a beautiful spirit.
Speaker 1: She's amazing. And Patience also has a beautiful spirit. And
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you've been so you know, uh
Speaker 1: impatient in a lot of ways about getting the State
Speaker 1: of Emergency tour up and running. But I think God
Speaker 1: is like putting all the pieces in place, because I
Speaker 1: didn't know Maggie had that concept of taking that event
Speaker 1: that she did that we attended on the road. And
Speaker 1: I think it's an important component because you um and
Speaker 1: and the brethren, if you will want to get out
Speaker 1: there and do work in the community, working with folks
Speaker 1: to create peace treaties between gangs and other rivaling peace folks.
Speaker 1: Um and and really to to put some boots on
Speaker 1: the ground and some support for these folks in these
Speaker 1: different communities. UM. I know that from from my perspective
Speaker 1: and also working with uh Linda and uh Linda sars Our,
Speaker 1: other co founder Angelo Pinto and of course Erica Ford
Speaker 1: and others that are in the work. And now we
Speaker 1: have the fun piece movement apart that I would like
Speaker 1: to have happen on the State of Emergency Tour is
Speaker 1: helping elected officials and organizers understand how they can come
Speaker 1: together to create, um, you know, crisis management efforts the
Speaker 1: way that we have in New York City. UM. And
Speaker 1: then we have Maggie who can help to deal with women.
Speaker 1: And there are others among us who have different things
Speaker 1: that they do, you know, looking at the spiritual element,
Speaker 1: looking at mental health support. So I think the State
Speaker 1: of Emergency Tour is shaping up and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: something that's really really powerful. And of course all of
Speaker 1: our books will be on a so folks who have
Speaker 1: been asking when are you come into our cities, they
Speaker 1: will be able to have direct access to us across
Speaker 1: the country as well. Yeah, So that was always my vision. Man,
Speaker 1: I knew the state of emergency meant so much more
Speaker 1: than just one thing. You know, is gun violence, is education,
Speaker 1: is mental health, is women's issues, and many issues and
Speaker 1: so many It encompasses so many things. So I'm just
Speaker 1: glad to see that. You know, soon it will be
Speaker 1: taken off and we're gonna have everything we need to
Speaker 1: make it successful at subolutely. So thanks to Patients Mary
Speaker 1: for being all We've got to bring her back as well.
Speaker 1: It's almost time for us to start bringing a bunch
Speaker 1: of folks back because there we've been touching on these issues,
Speaker 1: but there needs to be more time. I think that's
Speaker 1: the one thing about media is that it does not
Speaker 1: give an opportunity to really dig deep into the issues.
Speaker 1: But Patients is such a beautiful person. Of course, our system,
Speaker 1: Maggie carry and as we as we talked about gun
Speaker 1: violence us. You know what I really just don't get.
Speaker 1: You know, there's been this online conversation I've been debating
Speaker 1: and going back and forth about the impact of hip
Speaker 1: hop in the violence, you know, and and I realized
Speaker 1: that there is a lot of violence in the hip
Speaker 1: hop music. But I don't get how people don't understand
Speaker 1: that the violence of the music is reflection of what
Speaker 1: people are actually dealing with. And I think for me,
Speaker 1: the real problem is not what the music is reflecting,
Speaker 1: because people are gonna talk about their reality. Unfortunately, when
Speaker 1: we look at the drill music that comes from Chicago
Speaker 1: and we look at those artists, these are artists who
Speaker 1: are actually engulfed in the street life of violence. This
Speaker 1: is what they this is what happened to them. So
Speaker 1: they're told they're actually living that. And you can tell
Speaker 1: that by when they actually get their record deal and
Speaker 1: they get signed that this violence follows them. You know,
Speaker 1: the street things that they were getting signed for are
Speaker 1: the things that actually got them killed when they got
Speaker 1: these record deals. Right. So I don't get why people
Speaker 1: don't understand that the reality is that if we don't
Speaker 1: promote that type of thing, if we're not making artists
Speaker 1: feel like you're gonna be successful when you talk about violence,
Speaker 1: if we don't put up the videos with such and
Speaker 1: such as robbing such and such or such and such
Speaker 1: as shooting that, and we don't talk about it and
Speaker 1: hype it up and give them some level of credibility
Speaker 1: and honor for those things, then we can eliminate the
Speaker 1: need and the actual activity. Because these young kids that
Speaker 1: are growing up and they want to get a record deal,
Speaker 1: you know, and they and they're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how do I get out of my circumstances. I'm living
Speaker 1: in complete poverty. And they go to the Internet and
Speaker 1: they see that these big sites and these big um
Speaker 1: record labels and things are promoting people who are killing people.
Speaker 1: Like they see when you go to the Internet and
Speaker 1: you see that this video or such and such robbing
Speaker 1: such and such, or this video talking about how somebody
Speaker 1: kills somebody got five million views, and now in that
Speaker 1: same artist that they're talking about just got a million
Speaker 1: dollar record deal. Why you don't think these kids are
Speaker 1: gonna follow suit, Why you don't think that they're gonna say,
Speaker 1: O care, I need to be involved in that, because
Speaker 1: that's what happens in the streets. When you understand street culture,
Speaker 1: you understand that these young kids look up and they idolize.
Speaker 1: What you say is quote unquote lit in popping. So
Speaker 1: when you're saying that people are shooting and robbing and
Speaker 1: killing and doing all those things, are the people that's
Speaker 1: lit These young sixteen and seventeen your kids want to
Speaker 1: be lit, they want a record deal. So that's why
Speaker 1: you get the cloud chase, and that's why you get
Speaker 1: the videos every day as somebody saying they're gonna shoot somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody recording the robbery, somebody recording the shooting, and they're
Speaker 1: putting it on the Instagram. We're saying they're bugging. No,
Speaker 1: they're not bugging. They realized that this is a recipe
Speaker 1: to gain money, to gain cloud, to gain success. So
Speaker 1: I don't understand why people don't understand that there is
Speaker 1: a two pronged problem. Yes, we have to stop the violence,
Speaker 1: but we have to stop the people who promote and
Speaker 1: advocate and celebrate the violence as well. So two things
Speaker 1: that come to mind. First is how much you have evolved?
Speaker 1: Because you talked about violence in your music, uh, you
Speaker 1: know when you were younger, and while you may still
Speaker 1: at this point talk about some of these situations, there
Speaker 1: is an evolution, right, And so I guess we have
Speaker 1: to understand, which I know you do, that some of
Speaker 1: our young people have not evolved, and it's not their
Speaker 1: responsibility as far as I'm concerned. I think the second
Speaker 1: thing that comes to mind is who is the day
Speaker 1: that that's promoting it as the conversation people don't like
Speaker 1: to get into. Of course, you know we talk about
Speaker 1: it often. People don't want to identify they, and you
Speaker 1: know that that's my new thing When people ask me,
Speaker 1: what do I, um, you know, say to young people
Speaker 1: who are organizing or women or you know, what what
Speaker 1: do I say to people who are starting out in
Speaker 1: their careers? As I'm speaking across the country, I'm asked
Speaker 1: that question all the time. Or people will say to me,
Speaker 1: what has been you know, one of your biggest challenges
Speaker 1: in terms of your own growth? And I say that
Speaker 1: I've had to identify Day. I've had to identify Day
Speaker 1: as the oppressor and not just say oh, it's they,
Speaker 1: as in white people, because that is not an accurate
Speaker 1: description of who or what our oppressor looks like. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I've had to identify Day in my personal
Speaker 1: life in terms of those people who may be impacting
Speaker 1: me and making me feel not so good about myself.
Speaker 1: I've had to to identify Day online. I've had to
Speaker 1: I've been identified Day in terms of my money. I mean,
Speaker 1: there has been so many different days, ways, and situations
Speaker 1: where I've had to get deeper into who is they
Speaker 1: and in this particular situation, I think they has should
Speaker 1: be or can be identified as some members of the
Speaker 1: media and also record labels. And in fact it is
Speaker 1: also a part of a system that I believe has
Speaker 1: been designed to keep our people in the conditions in
Speaker 1: which we fight against every day. Why do I say that,
Speaker 1: Because the more that they can keep us believing that
Speaker 1: the way to success is through hurting and harming your
Speaker 1: brother or sister, then they have a strap, if you will,
Speaker 1: or or a noose on our next because our young
Speaker 1: people can't see themselves outside of violence, outside of drugs,
Speaker 1: drug dealing, drug use, UM. And And what we know
Speaker 1: is that while yes, there's heavy metal rock, while there
Speaker 1: are other uh forms of of you know, I guess negativity.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say heavy metal rock is negativity. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying sometimes heavy metal rock can have a certain impact.
Speaker 1: So we've heard on people who are listening to it UM.
Speaker 1: But there are other things that definitely happen in white
Speaker 1: communities that young people get access to in their date
Speaker 1: and it can have a negative impact. But the reality
Speaker 1: is that if you pay attention to their shows, you
Speaker 1: pay attention to UM, their their pop culture. They do
Speaker 1: not have an oversaturation of violence and drug abuse and
Speaker 1: everything that you can think of that is harmful to
Speaker 1: their community. There is a balance, and most of the
Speaker 1: time the balance leans on the side of making sure
Speaker 1: that a white kid sees themselves with many options and
Speaker 1: seize themselves in better situations. It is only our communities
Speaker 1: where when you turn the TV on or you turn
Speaker 1: social media on, you can find millions of views on fights,
Speaker 1: on violent situations, um, people using drugs looking like they're
Speaker 1: high all the time, and that's what's being promoted. And
Speaker 1: so I personally think that yes, there is. You absolutely
Speaker 1: are doing the work of addressing people who have major
Speaker 1: platforms that are constantly promoting on this negativity and this
Speaker 1: this this trauma in our communities, and that's important. But
Speaker 1: I think we also have to look at who is
Speaker 1: funding those individuals who are out here using their platforms
Speaker 1: to promote bad things within our communities. Where are they
Speaker 1: getting their resources, who are there advertisers, what platforms are
Speaker 1: they on. So we can also take our movement and
Speaker 1: elevate it to a level where one you and people
Speaker 1: like you are telling folks that directly this is not
Speaker 1: good for you. But that there is also a layer
Speaker 1: of the movement that seeks to attack those people who
Speaker 1: are actually funding and keeping those individuals um you know,
Speaker 1: in in in position to be able to tear our
Speaker 1: communities down. Well, I think I think that definitely needs
Speaker 1: to be the work. And you know, today, for me,
Speaker 1: you know, the conversation started with DJ Academics, Who's somebody
Speaker 1: that I've always said was a cancer to this culture
Speaker 1: just the way that he represents And and it's not
Speaker 1: just because DJ bladd is somebody who also advertises negativity
Speaker 1: and things in the culture too, So we're not just
Speaker 1: focused on saying that he's the only person who does it,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying the way that he does it
Speaker 1: is exacerbate. It is way different than anybody like we
Speaker 1: we have people that exploit we like people say Wendy
Speaker 1: Williams to talk about negativity that we have. We've had,
Speaker 1: you know, we've had media people who've always um talked
Speaker 1: about the negativity within the excluded it and utilized it
Speaker 1: as their way. We had start buck Wild, you know,
Speaker 1: Star has always done those things. There are media outlets
Speaker 1: who've always done those things. But I think when you
Speaker 1: are someone who's not of the street culture, never been
Speaker 1: in the street, You've never done anything negative. You you
Speaker 1: had a good upbringing, and you utilize your voice, you know,
Speaker 1: your privileged voice, with the platform with five and six
Speaker 1: million people, to encourage people to quote unquote slide on
Speaker 1: somebody because he supposed he shot somebody. He looks too comfortable.
Speaker 1: When these are the words that come up, and or
Speaker 1: he's looking too comfortable, or he's having a good time,
Speaker 1: you need to have you up a slide on him.
Speaker 1: This is a real beef. People lost their lives in
Speaker 1: the street already behind this, and you're utilizing your platform
Speaker 1: to encourage someone to slide now when you don't understand
Speaker 1: that a young boy who is impressionable, that's in Chicago,
Speaker 1: that's sitting around, he ain't got five dollars in his pocket,
Speaker 1: and you are advocating, and you play the video from
Speaker 1: this guy, he's getting these millions of yous. You advocated
Speaker 1: to say, somebody need to slide on him. Somebody sees
Speaker 1: him as a meal ticket, a young boy who might
Speaker 1: not have been violent prior to this conversation. You might
Speaker 1: not have even thought about that. He's just trying to
Speaker 1: find his way out. But understands that were in the
Speaker 1: error right now to where they promoting everything that's violent.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do it the right way. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do it this way. And now all I see
Speaker 1: is being promoted is somebody who sliding or somebody who
Speaker 1: shot somebody. So now this is my method to get
Speaker 1: myself out of my reality. It ain't something that I
Speaker 1: thought about before for me watching you with all these
Speaker 1: millions of you as, I actually think that it's cool
Speaker 1: and it's and the thing is that that's what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm watching so called old g s and gez Co
Speaker 1: signed this dude because they want to utilize his platform
Speaker 1: so that they artists can get promoted. They want him
Speaker 1: to promote their artists and and and and and fuge
Speaker 1: within it. And this is what this is what's happened
Speaker 1: within the coach. It just the new wayf you look
Speaker 1: through out. I said it the other day. If you
Speaker 1: look in Chicago, the only way you getting signed now
Speaker 1: is if you had to be for somebody. This is
Speaker 1: what they signed. They're not signing rappers who have talent
Speaker 1: and this and that your criteria to get signed is
Speaker 1: that you have beef. You put it on the internet.
Speaker 1: People know about it, the song, you talk about it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna promote that song, turn it into a song
Speaker 1: where you get millions, and next thing you know, you
Speaker 1: got beef and that when you get shout at killed
Speaker 1: or we're gonna say is damn it's messed up. No,
Speaker 1: it's not messed up. The messed up part is that
Speaker 1: you navigated, you promoted, and you agitated a situation that
Speaker 1: you knew was detrimental. So those are the days all
Speaker 1: the people who contribute to that. We need to go
Speaker 1: after the labels. We need to go after anybody who's
Speaker 1: gonna contribute to the to the disenfranchisement and the destruction
Speaker 1: of our culture. And on that we are done. H
Speaker 1: It was a dope show. Shout out to Maggie Carrey,
Speaker 1: Shout out to Patience Murray. Go get her book, Um,
Speaker 1: please go get her book. She as a survivor, she's
Speaker 1: a leader. And just see her continue to smile and
Speaker 1: just in that grace, you know, after losing her sister
Speaker 1: in law in that situation, there's a lot and and
Speaker 1: being injured, having rods and things echather. So you know,
Speaker 1: we just got to celebrate her and continue to command
Speaker 1: her and support her. Go get her book and um.
Speaker 1: Once again, we finished another dope episode. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: to our fans, We appreciate you for making us the
Speaker 1: number one podcast in the world. Yes, the number one
Speaker 1: podcast in the world. We number one. Man. You see
Speaker 1: this evolutionary. We are evolving the coach. I'm an evolutionary,
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Speaker 1: If you've got a topic for a show, reach out
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Speaker 1: we take your hate, we take the love everything. We
Speaker 1: embrace it. Man. For me, I love that they hate
Speaker 1: turns into love for me. You know what. I turned
Speaker 1: to hate this into people who love me every day.
Speaker 1: So please give it all to me and listen. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna always be right to me, is not gonna
Speaker 1: always be wrong, but we will both always and I
Speaker 1: mean always be authentically slot. That's how we owned it.