WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - JJ Redick 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:06.720 Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. I'm 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:11.160 your host, Arizona Cardinals announcer ESPN broadcaster Dave Pash. Our 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.000 guest this week is our twenty seventh and year one 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.239 of the Dave Pash Podcast, and it's JJ Reddick, who 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.520 was one of the great college basketball players of all time. 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.840 Terrific NBA player, fifteen years in the league, currently a 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:29.840 podcaster as well as an analyst for ESPN on several platforms. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:31.600 One of the reasons I wanted to get Jj on 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:35.000 was on the heels of Duke's run to the Final four. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:39.400 Wanted to get JJ's thoughts on Mike Shashevsky's final season, 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.120 what coach k meant to JJ, his thoughts on Duke 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.559 going forward. I was around him for four years. I 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:47.760 never saw him have a bad day and that was 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.960 the biggest lesson that I learned from him, as well 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.440 as being adaptable, and by adaptability as a coach, I 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.760 mean year to year, he was willing to work with 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.240 what he had. We'll also talk about the NBA Playoffs 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.960 and all the awards that will be announced here in 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.360 the next few weeks, specifically with regard to the Phoenix Suns. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.000 Where does Devin Booker fit into the MVP conversation? What 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.920 about Monny Williams for Coach of the Year. We'll also 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.480 talk about JJ's podcast, The Old Man and the Three, 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.760 how it started and where it's headed. 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And you're telling me that Robert Pattinson is 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.080 at his name, the lead actor who just played the 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.519 lead and the Batman, which was really good, by the way, 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.680 So you're telling me he's supposed to be the son 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.160 because I still can't figure it out. And now I 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:16.680 need to go back and watch it again, but I 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.200 get more and more frustrated every time I watch it. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.440 So the prevailing one of the prevailing fan theories about 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:29.120 the movie is that Neil played by Robert Pattinson, is 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.960 actually Max, and Max, of course, is the young son 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:42.640 of Kat. And when I like something, I just deep dive. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.400 And we've talked about this when we did our games 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.119 together in March. But in anything I do in life, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.520 when I like it, it's just becomes an obsessive deep dive. 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.200 So not only did I watch Tenant I think six 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.040 times in the first ten days it came out, but 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:03.200 I spent hours on YouTube watching fan theory videos and 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.240 spend some time on Reddit of course. But yeah, that's 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.959 I mean, that's how I operate my life. Unfortunately, I 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:11.840 don't do that with everything. It's just the things that 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.040 I'm really into. And one of those things that I'm 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.800 really into is Christopher Nolan movies. Well, the way he 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.119 does the movies, it makes you think, and it makes 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.000 you question it, and then you watch it again and 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.520 you question the theory that you came up with. Like Inception, 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.680 it seems like it's one or two things either it 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.160 was a dream the entire time or it was real. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:35.600 But Tenant, there can be like ten different theories about 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.320 who is playing who and what's actually happening. Like I 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.200 thought the first time I saw it that he dies, 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.240 like when they show Tenant, you know, that's when they're 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.560 pulling his teeth out, And I thought it died, And 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.720 this was just again some state that he's in, you know, 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.840 maybe on his deathbed. And I know Interstellar is your favorite, 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:58.160 right because that's what you have on your emoji for Twitter. 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.960 My advata, yes digital avatar is is a picture of 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.440 Matthew McConaughey and his space suit. Um. Yeah, Interstellar is 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:12.920 my favorite Nolan movie. I I when Inception first came out, 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.960 that sort of was it for me, And I look, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.680 I was a fan of all of the Batman movies, 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.920 specifically The Dark Knight, the second one in the trilogy 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:26.080 that Nolan did. Prestigi is amazing, Mementos, amazing m But 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.760 for me, it's it's Interstellar. And I always say this, like, 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:38.080 to me, it's the greatest combination of storytelling science And 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.920 obviously you can argue whether not the science is real, 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.560 but science and then the visual effects you know, and 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.200 to some degree, you can't beat that soundtrack. There's some 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.840 moments where the music and what you're what you're seeing, 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.360 the auditory and visual experience, the combination of both those 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.760 scenes are just they're chilling. Man. It's I just I 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.559 just love that movie. I'm very passionate about it. Well, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.960 this is technically a football podcast, but we have had 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.000 JJ as I told you, a number of basketball related guests. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.840 We've had an actor on, We've had Frank kelliendo on. 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.880 But every time we have somebody on that's either not 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:22.880 connected to football directly or has no connection whatsoever to football, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.240 I still at least ask who your team was growing up. 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.560 And I think I know the answer to this one. 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.000 If you played football. I think I remember you said 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.440 something about your parents wouldn't let you. Then they eventually 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.760 did and you broke your wrists you couldn't play anymore. 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.520 Is that right? Yeah, it's so I had asked them 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.240 my whole childhood. Once I started playing sports, started playing sports. 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:47.600 When I was eight, I got into baseball, I got 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.680 into basketball, and I was like, I can I play football? 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.840 My friends play football? Can play football? And they I 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.920 was very frail. I was very skinny, and they said no, 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.400 and they said no, And then the summer between seventh 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.919 and eighth grade they said I could play football well 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.880 at nationals that year, I got undercut and I broke 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.400 my right wrist. And right when school started, I was 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.240 going to go out for the football team, and I 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:15.480 was playing pick up and I broke my left wrist 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.200 getting undercut on the basketball court. So that pretty much 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.440 ended my football career. But I was gonna go play 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.240 wide receiver. That was what I was going to play. 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.919 We already had a really good quarterback. My high school 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.120 randomly had this two year stretch to class above me 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.120 and then my class where we had a ton of 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.320 Division one athletes. We were a relatively small public school 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.520 in Ronoke, Virginia, but we had multiple ACC athletes, a 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:43.560 number of low D one football players. We actually had 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.839 an ACA player that played a wake Forest. But we 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:50.479 just had this influx of high level Division one athletes, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.200 and I think I think I would have been fine 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.200 in football. I don't think I would have continued to 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:02.120 play football throughout high school because because I would have 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.000 gotten so many chiefs, somebody was going to try to 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.160 take me out. Because at that point by the end 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.120 of my freshman year in basketball, you know, I was 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.960 nationally ranked and pretty good, and you know, similar to Duke, 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.120 the other schools probably didn't like me that much, and 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.000 so somebody would have taken a dirty shot at me, 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.239 and I probably would. I probably would have quit football. 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.880 Baseball was my passion, though baseball was my passion. Really, yeah, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:28.280 baseball was my passion I was. I pitched, and it 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.520 was the first sport I remember watching. I started watching 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.040 basketball and ninety two, that Duke team and then subsequently 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.920 that Bulls playoff run when they beat the Blazers. But 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:39.960 I started watching baseball the year prior, and I was 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:44.960 a huge Atlanta Braves fan. Eventually became a huge Indians 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.520 fan because of Manny Ramirez and then when he went 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.520 to the Red Sox, I started watching the Red Sox 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.800 and Pedro Martinez was my favorite pitcher. They went within 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:54.560 two years, they both go to the Red Sox, and 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:56.880 from that point on, I was a Red Sox fan. 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.320 To answer your question about football, though I never had 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.720 a team professional sports, a lot of times I just 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.640 rooted for athletes. So I would root for specific players 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:08.280 and run us in this weird place where you know, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.400 we're three and a half hours from Charlotte, where four 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:15.040 hours from Washington, DC, So there wasn't the hometown team 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.680 that I could root for sure. Well, obviously things worked 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.280 out for you with basketball. He became one of the 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.880 greatest players in the history not only a Duke but 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:28.200 of college basketball. Leaving Duke is the all time leading scorer, 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.160 not just there but in the conference. Four year player. 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.560 I know you didn't win a championship, but you accomplished 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:39.440 so much there and I know how much Coach k 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:43.240 still means to you. It was really thrilling to watch 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:47.400 that run. It was a neat story for everybody, even 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.320 if you're not a Duke fan, because of what Mike 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.520 Shazowski's meant to the game to see that team go 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.920 to the Final four. What do you I'm sure you've 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.200 spoken with him, and I know you were at his 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.000 last home game, which, like the final four game, the 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.040 national semifinal game was. You know, it was a loss 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.360 in North Carolina. What do you think it meant to 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:12.400 him JJ to get this group in his last go 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.960 around to the final four. It was very meaningful and 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.520 coach always has he talked about it, but y'alls has 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:24.880 a next play, next team mentality. I was around him 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.120 for four years. I never saw him have a bad day. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.520 That was the biggest lesson that I learned from him, 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.280 as well as being adaptable. And by adaptability as a coach, 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:37.559 I mean year to year, he was willing to work 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.920 with what he had. There wasn't a system, it was 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.520 how do I make this group good? And on top 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.880 of that, he was very invested in each group. And 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.760 so I know with this particular group, a very young team. 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.560 Obviously Wendel Moore was a junior, but mainly playing young 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.000 players to get to the final four was a huge deal. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.360 And the growth that they showed, you know, anytime you're 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.599 a coach and you see your team grow in a 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.720 period of time as they did over the last six 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.720 weeks of the season was huge. That that Michigan State 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.160 game in the to go to the Sweet sixteen, the 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.720 Texas Tech game to go to the lead eight, those 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.200 were two of the best duke wins that I've seen 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.120 in a long long time, in several years. So just 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:23.120 I was really proud of the group. And of course 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.280 Carolina wins the game and Cameron and they beat us 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:29.679 in the Final four. And by the way, I was 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.560 at the Final four game to fantastic basketball game, high 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:38.120 level college basketball, and it's very sad as a Duke 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:44.760 fan because in this rivalry for them to win probably 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.080 the two biggest games ever in that rivalry, the first 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.000 time we've met in the tournament in the final four, 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.280 potentially coaches last game turns out to be his last 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.520 game as well as his last home game. For them 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.440 to win those two games, oh, it's soul crushing. I'll 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:58.880 have to hear about it the rest of my life. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.040 I certainly feel for you on that one. Well, on 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.040 the other side, I was just with Vince Carter the 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.600 other night doing the game, and he was obviously upset 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.839 about what happened Monday with them. But here's a part 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.440 of him that I think a lot of Carolina for 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.360 Carolina players and Carolina fans field the same way. Yeah, 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.280 we lost in the championship game, but you know what, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.959 we beat Duke. Well, they can definitely hang their hat 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:28.640 on that. And for a team that didn't necessarily have 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:34.080 high expectations and ended up being an eight seed, which 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.120 turn you know, selection committee a terrible job with seating 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.240 the ACC Miami should not have been a ten seed 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.440 and Carolina should have been an eight seed, But to 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.199 be an eight seed and get to the championship game, 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.280 that that team huge accomplishment for them, big moment for 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:52.000 Hubert Davis, really really really really happy for him. You 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:59.680 know that that that rivalry, the the meaning of playing 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.839 at a school, and now John Shire will get to 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.880 go through this as Hubert's going through it right now. 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.000 That playing in that rivalry, playing for that school and 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.200 then going back and coaching and getting to beat Duke 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.800 just a huge moment for him. Huge moment. Well, as 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.440 you and I talked about, I've worked with so many 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.240 different analysts over the years, and one of my first 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.080 analysts on college basketball at ESPN was Hubert Davis. I 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.600 did two years with Hubert. We were doing a lot 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.560 of games out west, and he was living in Chapel 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.319 Hill and then eventually went to studio and then wanted 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.199 to get into coaching, went back working for Roy at 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.280 North Carolina, and I was so happy for him. He's 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:39.280 such an encouraging guy, positive guy. You can see his 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.680 imprint on that team over the course of the season. 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:46.360 I got to imagine when you're struggling and you're at 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.800 a place like North Carolina and the pressure is high 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:53.160 and your head coach is constantly encouraging you and being positive, 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.960 and then you start to see some results. It builds confidence, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.280 and I don't feel like he's getting the credit held 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.520 when you take over for a legend like Roy Williams. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.560 I mean, imagine if John Shire next year goes to 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:11.240 the championship game replacing Mike Shashevsky, what people will say 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.720 about him. I feel like it will be disproportionate maybe 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.880 to reality, because both jobs are incredibly hard when you 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.679 consider who you're replacing. I always felt that playing at 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:27.200 Duke it felt like living in a fishbowl, and at 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:34.720 the time, college basketball, maybe in terms of sports culture, 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.280 maybe was a little more popular just because of the 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.920 one and done era has kind of changed college basketball. 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:48.439 So my takeaway from this season and specifically with March Madness, 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.360 was that was one of the best tournaments period that 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.880 we've seen in a few years in terms of the upsets, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.679 high level basketball, clutch shot making. We saw it on 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.640 the wim inside as well, a number of amazing games 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.760 that I got to watch in the women's tournament as well, 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.480 And so I think there's been a narrative around the 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:17.080 demise of college basketball, and I am so happy that 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.040 we're getting back to high level college basketball. And I 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.240 think when this transfer portal thing happened, oh it's going 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.240 to ruin college. But what's happened as actually is there's 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.160 older players. It's not just eighteen and nineteen year old kids, 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.640 and so you're seeing guys the added value of staying 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:40.000 in school and learning the game and being coached. And 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.880 then you have this influx like Hubert Davis who are 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.680 bringing modern concepts to basketball. I went on an epic 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.520 not an epic rant. Our video producer put that in 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.760 the title of the video, but I went on a 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:55.000 rant on the podcast this week with Kevin Durant about 0:14:55.960 --> 0:15:00.400 what I view is as archaic strategy in college BASKETBA. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.600 And there's such a stark difference between watching a team 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:10.040 that implements modern concepts offensively and defensively versus teams that don't. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.080 And so watching UNC for me was actually a real 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.680 pleasure because I thought they ran great sets, they have 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.600 great spacing, they have shooting, they have guards that can 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.440 break you down off the dribble, a rim running big, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.920 and then they ice everything in pick and rolls, which 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.640 is another NBA concept like we need to we need 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.640 to sort of get some more modern concepts into college basketball, 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.800 and so for a guy like Hubert Davis to bring 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.200 that into it, I think is phenomenal. Well, most of 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.000 my career at ESPN doing college basketball has been the 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.680 one and done era, and I remember doing I did 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:50.040 Kevin Durance McDonald's All America game and then a bunch 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.240 of his games that first year at Texas. I remember 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.200 doing a game at Texas Tech when Bob Knight was 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.200 a coach there and Durant goes for thirty seven and 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:01.160 twenty three rebounds, and obviously he was so talented he 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.040 wasn't going to stay. Needed to go. And that's the 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.120 case with most guys that are that you know anywhere 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.960 in that same realm in terms of talent level. You 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.680 just go. And I think a lot of people like 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.520 I struggle with trying to present like every year it's 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.680 a new team every year college basketball, unless you're a 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.160 diehard Duke fan or North Carolina fan, blue chip programs 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.880 like Kentucky, Syracuse even it's you kind of bounce around 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.280 and it's hard to really get you fall in love 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.400 with Saint Peter's the coach leaves. You're not gonna remember 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:38.600 the players' names once they lose. And you know, back 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.720 when you played, I mean you got attached to guys, 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.720 and I know you didn't like being disliked, but there 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.480 were a lot of people that were attached to you 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.920 because they wanted to root against you, and it's really 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.760 hard to do that now in college basketball. What are 0:16:53.800 --> 0:17:01.360 the things that people inherently enjoy about watching sports is 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:07.760 watching athletes grow. They grow through adversity, they grow through failure, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.520 they grow through success, but watching growth over a three 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.920 or four year period, that's the attachment. You know, I 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.919 remember watching this kid as a freshman. Now look at 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:20.760 him as a senior. I remember when he rode the 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.440 bench as a freshman. Now he's starting and he's all conference. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.560 There's something that's really enjoyable as a sports fan to 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.720 see that. We have that, of course in pro sports, 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.680 where guys have a much longer runway and we can 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.840 see that maturation and that growth. Jannis is a great 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.720 example of that. To watch him early in his career 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.639 as the number one option in the playoffs, and then 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.159 to see him last year close out of Finals with 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.399 a fifty ball in game six. There's that growth and 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.080 it's fun to root for that. And when you're seeing 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:57.359 guys for one season thirty games, it's it's harder to 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:01.280 get that attachment. And by the way, the other thing 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.760 I wanted to add is I've always said that, but 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.960 guys should be able to leave out of high school 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:14.400 go to the pros. I really believe that. The negative 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.600 byproduct to me of the one and done era is 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:22.240 if you're a highly touted, highly recruited McDonald's all American, 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.480 you go to a school, there's almost an expectation or 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.440 an obligation to leave school early. We've created this sort 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:34.600 of demarcation line. Now it's like one and done era. Okay, 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.960 I go for a year, I leave, And really it 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.160 should be culturally it should be more about you leave 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.960 when you're ready. Maybe some guys that's high school. Maybe 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:44.720 some guys it is after your freshman year, maybe you 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.560 need another year. But now it's it's part of the 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.560 culture that you go to school for a year. And 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.240 Duke's had a number of guys do this where they 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.760 go to school for a year and you know it 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:56.560 doesn't pan out. I would have loved to see them 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.760 stay for an extra year or two. I'm glad you 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.800 brought up, you know, the enjoyment for fans of seeing 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.760 a player grow over the course of his or her 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.959 collegiate career. And you've been pretty open and honest and 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.119 humble about some of the mistakes that you made in 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.520 college that maybe people at the time didn't know about. 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:22.160 And I'm curious for you, when did you recognize that. 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.760 Was it while you were at Duke after meetings with 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:29.320 coach k or was it once you're in the NBA 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.639 and you grew up a little bit? When when did 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.320 I recognize the growth or yeah? Like, when did you 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.199 look back and say, wow, you know I made I 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.480 made a mistake when I was a freshman or so 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.879 I spent too much time focused on other aspects besides basketball, 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.639 Like when you and coach when when things started to 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.000 click for you, when you kind of figured things out. 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:50.879 Did you know it at the time or did you 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.000 have to look back once you're in the NBA, And like, man, 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:57.200 I could I can pinpoint that moment at Duke when 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.120 I figured it out And here's why I figured it out, right, 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.640 I figured it out at the end of my junior year. 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.960 And so I'll try to be very succinct with this 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:15.000 explanation and story. But my whole life I got you know, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.520 I was a massive Duke fan, die hard Duke fan. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:18.760 I wanted to go to Duke. I wanted to play 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.600 a Duke. I get to Duke and everybody hates me. 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:25.320 I'm taken aback by it. I take on this persona, 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.760 this brash, cocky, arrogant persona on the court that creates 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.679 a cycle of more hatred, of more animosity towards me, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.480 and there was this feeling of this isn't what I 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.600 signed up for. I didn't realize it was going to 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:41.600 be this hard. I thought this was supposed to be fun. 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.960 And so I went into what I would like to 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:49.200 call a rebellious phase my sophomore year, and I wanted 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.439 to quit. My sisters talked me out of it. I 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:56.399 spent most of that season on antidepressants. I was also 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:01.280 behaving in a way that was coming of of a 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:05.280 of a collegiate athlete period, much less a duke basketball 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.000 player where the standard is so high and coach and 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.760 I had a number of meetings after my sophomore year 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:16.119 that culminated in a meeting around May twentieth, and he 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:19.679 brought me into his office with Woejoe and Collins, and 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.959 it was it was a come to Jesus moment, and 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.600 he laid out a plan for me. I started seeing 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:32.439 a therapist weekly. They gave me a schedule to the hour, 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:36.080 and I stuck to that schedule the entire summer. I 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.760 went from about two hundred and twenty pounds at the 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:43.200 end of my sophomore year, I started first practice weighing 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.480 about one ninety two. I was an unbelievable shape. I 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:51.200 won every conditioning drill that offseason, and I got National 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.120 Player of the Year, ACC Player of the Year. And 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:59.240 there was a moment in Coach's hotel room in Austin, 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.880 Texas after we Austin the Sweet sixteen where two things happen. 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.080 I realized that it worked, and I realized that Coach 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.480 and I were now friends, that we weren't just player coach, 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:11.919 we were real friends. And I lived that out the 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.360 rest of my career. There was no going back. I 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:18.720 saw what being diligent and being disciplined and being fully 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.000 invested in being fully committed, what the result of that 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:26.400 was Now I didn't always get the result that I wanted, 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:30.439 but I knew that that was my benchmark, that was 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:33.080 my standard that I had to have in order for 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:37.240 me to play at a high level. So you leave Duke, 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.920 you come to the NBA, you're the eleventh overall pick. 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.520 And I remember when he came into the NBA and 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:43.960 there were a lot of people, and I'm sure you 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.920 heard it that said, JJ Reddick, great shooter in college? 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.280 You know, is that going to translate to him being 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.280 around in the NBA for a long period of time? 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:55.840 Is he just going to be a role player? Can 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:59.920 he do anything else besides shoot? And you played fifth 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:05.840 teen years, you had a great NBA career, And I'm curious, JJ, 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:08.800 do you think you would have lasted as long in 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.239 the NBA and it had as much success as you 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.520 did in the NBA if you didn't go through that 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:19.000 transition at Duke and didn't learn from those mistakes that 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:22.240 you talked about at Duke. No chance. Now I think 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:23.959 I would have played in the NBA. And if I 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:27.359 had gone to University of Florida or the University of 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:30.200 Virginia or Texas or Stanford or any of the other schools, 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:32.919 that were really recruiting me. I would have had a 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:36.440 good college career and I would have played in the NBA. 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.399 I would not have had the success that I had 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:41.960 in college or the success that I had the NBA 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.840 if I hadn't gone through what I went through. And 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:49.119 so I'm grateful for it. And you know, there was 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:52.960 a lot of there was a lot of guilt, There 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.000 was a lot of low moments. There was a lot 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:59.480 of self doubt. There was that in my NBA career too, 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:05.919 but I intuitively understood at that point what it took, 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:09.600 and so there was always that work to go back to. 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:14.280 There was always that discipline, getting my sleep, eating right, 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:19.480 being in the gym, taking care of myself. So if 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:22.800 the results weren't there, if the self doubt was there, 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.560 if the guilt was there over missing a shot laid 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:30.359 or letting my man score, whatever it was, I just 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.359 went back to work and I went back to the things. 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.720 I guess they were my grounding principles of my career. 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:42.359 And so to learn that at nineteen, that was the 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:46.280 biggest boost I ever could get for having success in 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:50.199 the NBA. One of the things I've appreciated in the 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.720 short time working with you and then just kind of 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.720 watching you operate when I see you in the studio. 0:24:56.080 --> 0:25:01.439 Is you take the craft of broadcasting seriously? When I 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:04.520 listened to your podcast, like you sound like you've been 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.920 doing this for twenty five years. I said the same 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.439 thing to you after we did our two games together. 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.160 It just you're a natural, but you take it seriously 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:17.000 and you care. And I know this was something you 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:20.160 were thinking about doing while you were still playing. But ultimately, 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.800 when you made the decision to stop playing, something you 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:25.560 had been doing for twenty plus years, more than twenty 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:29.680 if you include high school, was it a difficult decision? 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:35.399 Was there a transition period where you were missing, you know, 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.600 being with the guys on the road, you know, playing 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:43.240 cards on the road, talking wine, movies with your teammates, 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:45.959 or do you still miss that? I still miss that. 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:48.199 I'll always miss that, and I don't know that I 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:52.639 can replicate that in any other way in my life. 0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:56.199 There's something that's very sacred to me about being on 0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.320 a team. It's weird because I fell in love with 0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:02.880 basketball as a as a home schooler who would get 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:05.560 his work done early in the morning and have the 0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:07.479 rest of my day because I had. You know, my 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.080 parents didn't make a lot of money, so both my 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.920 parents worked. You know, my mom would teach us some days. 0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:14.600 I would go to work with her and do my 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.159 work there. One of five kids, so there was a 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.320 lot of autonomy that I had in my childhood, and 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.160 I had to fill time. And I liked going out 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:26.680 on a basketball court and shooting for hours. And that's 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:28.880 initially how I fell in love with it. And then 0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:31.960 I started playing AU basketball and I would travel and 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.320 we'd stay in hotel rooms and I'd stay up late 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:38.439 with people that came from a different background of me, 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.239 and we'd talk about life. And I did that for 0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.919 thirty years. I made so many great friendships. I had 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.879 so many great moments off the court. I'll miss that. 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:50.000 I missed you mentioned card games. I missed the action. 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.200 I missed the action. I missed the action a lot. 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:58.960 And it was it was I was ready to retire 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.600 for a while. It wasn't about that. It was about 0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:08.040 just squeezing every last bit I could out of my 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:12.200 career and my inherent love for the game. I wanted 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:15.640 to keep doing it. The decision to retire ultimately came 0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:19.800 down to a time value. Proposition, you know, what, what 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.040 is it I want to do with my time? And 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:24.879 because my kids were getting older, and because I had 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:28.679 missed so much over the last few years and specifically 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:32.640 in the bubble year. Once I started doing those exercises 0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.200 about being in a hotel room in Cleveland in February 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:40.880 versus taking my kid to Florida for spring break, it 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:44.320 became pretty clear to me that it was time. And 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:49.399 I was fried physically, emotionally, mentally. I mean, you know, 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:51.760 my wife and I always talk about this, Like I 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.040 even when I was home, I was still thinking about 0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:59.480 the game and practicing and training. It was just it 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:03.159 was all compassing all the time, and I was ready 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.560 for a break. I was ready for change. And I 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:11.400 had no idea that I'd be busier in retirement somehow 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.720 than I was as a player. And so the camaraderie 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:16.480 and the team thing is what I'll miss the most. 0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.040 And then the second thing, which I'm still navigating, and 0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.160 I think it takes time to navigate. But the second 0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:24.680 thing is we've talked about the structure. I need structure 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.440 in my life, and I enjoyed the structure of being 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:31.080 a professional athlete so much. I enjoyed knowing every day 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.080 where I was supposed to be, when I was going 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:34.600 to train, when I was going to go to sleep, 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:36.840 when my meals were going to be. I sometimes forget 0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.360 to eat now, you know. I'm like, oh, it's five o'clock. 0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:43.880 I forgot to eat lunch, you know. So I really 0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:47.680 those are the two things that obviously I'm miss shooting 0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:50.000 a basketball, but those are the two things that I'm 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.280 I'm still working my way through and I look up. 0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:54.920 Maybe I'll never be able to replicate that first thing 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.400 ever again, but certainly grateful that I got to do 0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.720 it for so long days like this. Maybe you miss 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.720 it more when you're spending time a pile and flooring 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:09.200 for your house. It was enjoyable. It was enjoyable. It 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:14.920 was enjoyable. I learned a lot about about Limestone today 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:18.239 your podcast The Old Man in the Three. When did 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:20.560 you come up with the idea, how did it start? 0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:24.560 And what are your plans for because obviously given your 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:28.840 connection to so many different current players, I remember the 0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:31.600 game I did with you in Philly, the embrace that 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:33.720 you had with Joel Ebid. I can just see the 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.840 love that he has for you and all the players 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:40.120 that come up to you. Clearly you built some deep 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.000 friendships and great relationships with a lot of guys. What 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:47.920 are the plans ultimately long term for the podcast? You know, 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.360 you can't it's hard to have It's hard to have 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.520 a podcast. We've talked about this. It's hard to have 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:58.640 a podcast without an audience. So I don't think about 0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:03.760 anything else sides building an audience, and I in some 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:08.600 ways got lucky because of timing. I was the first 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:11.640 active player to have a podcast, so there was a 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:17.120 novelty in that. Working at the Ringer and you know, 0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:21.760 being associated with the scale of that company in sports 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.640 and media culture was important. We launched The Old Man 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.200 in the Three. We started our own company. We launched 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:30.200 The Old Man of Three. We owned, We owned the podcast. 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:32.160 We launched that in the middle of the bubble. There 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.160 was no other player that was doing a podcast out 0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.239 of the bubble. Like, there's just been a bunch of 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.520 things that I've just gotten lucky on. There's no there's 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:43.920 not a grand vision ever for the podcast. It's something 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.600 that I enjoyed doing. And what I realized about a 0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:50.480 year and change into doing The Old Man of the 0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:53.640 Three is I really just enjoyed basketball. I enjoyed talking 0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.160 about basketball. So we we sort of made a strategic 0:30:56.240 --> 0:31:00.800 shift in late October. Let's just focus on NBA content. 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.680 Let's focus on having guests on that are associated with 0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:09.880 the NBA, mainly players, And we've seen our audience grow 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.440 because of that, so you know, we're going to continue 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:17.000 to sort of use that model to continue to grow 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.560 our audience. You know, I think about when you start 0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:24.720 something in media, it's it's driven really by two things. 0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.120 It's driven by content. Do you have good cut content? 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:31.320 And can you build a community? And that's what we're 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:35.120 trying to do with the podcast, and whatever comes of that, 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:39.960 that's great. You know, besides the podcast, there's a lot 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.880 of other things that I'm working on actively right now, 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:47.520 including a I don't know how to describe it, but 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:49.880 it's a TV show. It's a TV show, so we're 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.480 working on it. It would be it's called Eat, Prey, Dunk, 0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:59.200 and you know, it's it's about capturing the essence of 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:02.320 a player. It's out trying to answer the question of 0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:07.560 why sports matter, why athletes are who they are. We 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.800 do that to some degree on the show, but on 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:15.640 the podcast, but this would be a more a more 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.840 visual experience, I think. And uh so we're talking. We're 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:23.320 talking with different high level production companies, streaming services, etc. 0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.160 To try to try to get this thing made. Um. 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:31.800 But you know, it's funny because you mentioned the media 0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:35.560 stuff and I didn't even I didn't plan on getting 0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:39.400 into media, and I was hesitant to even start at ESPN, 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.680 and and Dave Roberts, who who you know. Dave was 0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:48.080 more than accommodating with just creating a schedule for me 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:51.200 this this year. That wasn't too taxing because I was like, 0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.360 I'm gonna take a year off. But then I'm like, 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.120 I got a podcast that I got to do weekly 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.760 and I need something else to fill my time. And 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:01.520 so it kind of all happened organically. I Dave. My 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.200 life plan is not like I wanted to be an 0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.480 NBA player. I put everything into it, and right now 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:10.080 it's just like just flow with the river. You know, Well, 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:11.720 I don't know where the river is going to take me. 0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:13.360 I don't know where I'll be in three years. Do 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.320 any of us really know? We think we do, We 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:20.840 think we can control. You've had Chris Paul on and 0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:24.320 you know this podcast. As I said, is primarily Arizona 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:29.680 Cardinals based. We do branch out beyond just the NFL, 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:33.640 and obviously people that you know a lot of people 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:36.800 that live in Arizona or Cardinal fans are also Suns fans. 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.800 So we had mckel bridges on, we had James Jones, 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:45.440 al McCoy, they've all been on and with the run 0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:49.400 to the finals last year and then having the best 0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.080 record in the NBA this year, there is a there's 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:57.680 an appetite for Suns content. And because you probably know 0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:01.960 Chris Paul as well as anybody, maybe you can put 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:07.440 your finger on it more than weekend. Because the transformation 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:11.640 of the organization from when Chris prior to Chris's arrival 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:15.120 to what they are now, it's remarkable. I'm not sure 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:19.640 we've seen anything quite like this, like you see a player. 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.279 When Kurt Warner came to the Cardinals, he led them 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:25.799 to a super Bowl, but it wasn't like they went 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:30.279 fifteen and one. But because of Kurt and how good 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:32.319 he is, and obviously there were other talented players around him, 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:34.759 we went to the Super Bowl the next year, which 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.440 was Kurt's last year, had even a better record, ended 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.560 up losing the Saints who win the Super Bowl. But 0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.360 it wasn't like you went from the worst team in 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.000 football to the best. The Sons were the worst team, 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:48.719 close to the worst team, if not the worst. They're 0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:50.400 not the best team. Now, they don't won a championship. 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.359 They're close last year, maybe they win it this year. 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:56.240 And everybody tries to say, well, here's why they're different, 0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:58.480 here's what Chris Paul brings to the table. But you 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:00.800 know this, you played with him, you know him. Well, 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:03.520 what do you think it is that goes beyond what 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:08.279 we can see the fan in the media. Well, I'll 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:15.279 answer that question. But there's another really important ingredient to 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:18.880 the formula for their success over the last few seasons, 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:24.840 and that's Monny. Because Monny, in some ways is they're 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:26.960 not the same, but in some ways it is very 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:34.760 similar to Chris. The attention to detail, the basketball intelligence. 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:41.680 Monny has that at the highest level, and I think 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:45.560 the combination of them. Chris, of course, being an extension 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:50.160 of a coach on the floor, is really important. In 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:55.719 regards to Chris. He is as demanding of a teammate 0:35:55.880 --> 0:36:01.839 as I've had, and I loved that he has a 0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:08.960 way of getting your best every night. There was there 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.719 was no not that I did this ever, but like 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.200 for all of us, there was no I'm going to 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.960 go into the game and half ass like because Chris 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.360 was there and so he wasn't gonna half ass it, 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.280 and he was gonna tell you if you were half 0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:26.879 asking it. So there's there's an accountability to Chris as 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.880 a teammate and as a player because he does it 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:34.160 and because his agenda ultimately is to win. Now there's shenanig. 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.560 It's Chris is Chris. You know, he's gonna he's gonna 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:38.880 talk to other players. He's gonna he's gonna do the 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.319 rip through move and draw fouls. He's gonna talk to 0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:43.839 the refs like there's other things Chris. You know, Chris 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.600 is an annoying little pest. We all know that. But 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.640 but in terms of the agenda, Chris is as competitive 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:54.120 of a player as I ever played with. And he's 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:57.560 an incredible strategist. And we talked about this, I think 0:36:57.600 --> 0:36:59.040 when he was on the podcast, but I know I've 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.520 mentioned it in other episodes. Chris is probably the best 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:06.040 cards player that I've played against. You know, in anything 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:10.400 he does, he figures out how to win. What gives 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.040 him the best chance to win. I saw this great graphic. 0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.279 You may have seen this as well on Twitter. You 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:20.160 know New Orleans that franchise franchise wins when he was there, 0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.360 franchise record for wins when he was there, Houston franchise 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.760 record for wins when he was there, Phoenix franchise record 0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.960 for wins when he was there, Clippers franchise record for 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.399 wins when he was there. So, although he hasn't want 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:33.600 to ring and I think they're the clear favorites to 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.520 win one this year, he is as good of a 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.960 winner as we've had in this era of sports. Now, 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:41.719 he doesn't have the championship. I get that, and that 0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:44.799 may be controversial thing to say, but he is as 0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.040 good of a winner as we've had in sports. So 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.839 I have a vote for MVP and all the NBA 0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:52.880 awards that I have to turn in here, and I'm 0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:54.920 waiting till the last possible second to turn it in 0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:56.759 as you should. That's you know what, You're being the 0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:01.799 responsible voter. And I appreciate that the money for you 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:05.960 guys that now is attached to these awards, which I think, 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:07.799 by the way, I know Adam Silver the commissioner came 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.799 out and said NBA players aren't playing enough games. They're 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:14.760 trying to figure out ways to fix that. A solution 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.520 that I think would would work, or at least would help, 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:21.320 would be if you put for the voters, you say, okay, 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.120 to be the MVP, you have to play at least 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.040 sixty eight games or whatever, or to make All NBA 0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:29.560 you have to play sixty eight games. You can't vote 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.600 for somebody if they play fewer than sixty eight games. 0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.360 There is an incentive now because there's so much money 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:41.960 attached to contracts. If you make All NBA, maybe that 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:47.080 will result in guys playing more games because they want 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:50.440 to make sure they're getting their max contracts. So I 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:54.600 don't hate the idea, but in any sort of games 0:38:54.760 --> 0:39:00.680 played scenario, context matters. You know, if a guy breaks 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:02.560 his wrists and miss a month of the season and 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:05.400 the Aliens up playing in sixty five games, but that 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:09.680 team has the best record and he's got great stats, 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.080 that guy should probably still be All NBA. You know, 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:19.120 the context betters might change, might change to the All 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:21.920 NBA voting is just to have the fifteen best players 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.000 have three teams of five, but make it about the 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.640 five best players should be first team All NBA, the 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:32.400 next five players should be second team ALLANBA, the positional stuff, 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.440 and then now they're complimentating things like why why is 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.160 Joe Ellenbiad and Yokich? Why are they? Can you vote 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.480 for them as forwards? They haven't played a minute of 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:43.200 four at all season. They're centers. But you know what, 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.400 they both should be a first team All NBA, and 0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:48.239 there's a good chance that one of them won't be. 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:53.360 The other part that's tied to it, of course, is 0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:57.759 that you reference is max contract extensions, being eligible for 0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:01.400 a super max that's tied to All NBA, and then 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.880 and then the rookie supermax, which you have to reach. 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:08.880 You know, obviously you know in your rookie contract to 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:12.439 to uh sort of trigger that that supermax, So guys 0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:14.680 will sign for it'll be reported two hundred million dollars, 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:17.000 but if they don't reach it, they get one sixty five. 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:18.759 Trey Young is a great example of this. You know, 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:22.800 he's eligible for the supermax, that's what he signed um, 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.040 but if he doesn't make All NBA this year, he 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:27.920 loses out on thirty five million. This is what happened 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:30.440 to Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum when a long run on 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:33.800 the podcast about this um, this is something that was 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.200 collective collectively bargain bier union. I don't I don't know 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:40.440 that there's a solution to that outside of renegotiating that 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:48.280 with the NBA UM. And I think where where players 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:54.040 get frustrated is in some of the voting. What I 0:40:54.080 --> 0:41:00.440 think doesn't get appreciated by the players is how serious 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:04.320 the voters are taking it. You guys all know about 0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.440 these clauses in the contract. You know, Howard Beck when 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.480 the pod came out with Jason and his rant kind 0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:14.120 of went viral. Howard Beck, He's like, Jason, I don't 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:16.319 like it either, you know, he tweeted, I don't like 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:18.120 it either. I don't want my vote to be tied 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:19.919 to whether or not you get the money. Good. Look, 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.400 you can't tell me that Jason Tatum in his fourth 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:27.000 year didn't do his job. He did a MAX level 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:31.840 worthy job and he should have gotten paid according to 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.640 his market, which was as a MAX player. So outside 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.640 of renegotiat I don't think you can you can do it. 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:40.200 The all NBA stuff this year is really interesting, and 0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:44.640 you know you mentioned you've mentioned Chris, I know, off 0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:46.839 the air we're talking about stuff. It's like, where where 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:48.880 do we figure out how some of these players go? 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.760 And Trey Young is a great He's had an unbelievable season, 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:55.520 an unbelievable season. He should be All NBAUM. But it's 0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.160 really hard, it's really hard. The MVP this year is 0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.000 probably as hard as this in a long time trying 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.919 to figure that out. So I don't have Trey Young 0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:07.160 on my All NBA team as of this moment, and 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:11.319 if I end up not voting that way, I feel 0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:15.680 badly that it could cost him thirty five million dollars. 0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:20.359 But looking at their record and some players on some 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.000 other teams that maybe the numbers aren't as gaudy, but 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.840 their teams are better. I mean, to your point, you 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:31.080 only have six guards the front court, you can fudge 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.680 it a little bit because like I've got Janis embating, 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:37.200 Yokis All first Team. Yeah, none of those guys have 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.480 played I mean, Mbat never plays forward. I mean, you 0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.760 could you could make the case that Yoki he's he's whatever. 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:45.600 He's a guard, he's a forward, he's a center. But 0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.799 right DeMar de Rosen will probably make an all NBA team, 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:51.000 but he'll make it as a forward, even though nominally 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:54.480 he functions as the primary playmaker in the half court. 0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:58.400 This is why, you know, the defining lines of position 0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:03.680 has been so skewed because of the way the modern 0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:06.840 NBA works now, which is why I think the solution 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:09.480 is you just vote for the fifteen best players. My 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:12.520 comment on Trey and my comment towards the MVP as well. 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.880 We talked about this last night on Countdown with Jalen is. 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:21.000 You know, perceived value is relative to expectations, and I 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:25.279 think with Trey this year, because of what was a 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:31.040 surprising run last year, there were more expectations on Trey 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:34.680 and the Hawks this year and they probably underperformed to that. 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:41.160 But he has not. He has not, and I probably 0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:44.960 one of the six best guards in the NBA. Problem is, 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:48.200 as I know, we brought up my Yannis comment on 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:50.920 the Joel Pod when we were off air, and you know, 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:52.319 the problem, as I said this on the pod, there's 0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:55.040 too many good players, Like there's too many good players. 0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:57.879 I can remember even in my career five six years ago, 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:02.520 we're like, oh man, there's thirteen guys that are really 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:05.680 all NBA and there's like five guys that you're kind 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.040 of like, I could I could fit them in. I could, 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:09.920 I could make an argument to put them in the 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:13.680 last two spots. Now there's like twenty guys, and you're like, 0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:15.560 how do we how do we make this fair and 0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:19.839 fit it in fifteen slots with positions? It's tough, it's 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.440 very tough. Well, I've already kept you much longer than 0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:24.120 I was anticipating, but I do want to just get 0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:26.680 a couple more in here. How do you think you'll 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:29.319 if you had to pick the MVP, W how do 0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:32.560 you think you'll land? Like? Does it? Is it based 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:39.799 on Devin Booker? To me? Deserves consideration. Now, I don't 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:42.080 think that's how I'm going to vote number one, but 0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:44.520 he's going to be in my top five. I think 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:51.160 ultimately it's Yokich, Giannis and Embed but there's no real criteria. 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.600 Like I'm inconsistent when I look at how I vote 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.600 for MVP or Coach of the Year, Rookie of the Year, 0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:00.640 even the all NBA teams. I mean, I'm in consistent. 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:06.600 Most voters are most voters are most voters are? You know? 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:11.920 With books specifically, there's been nine previous players that have 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:15.880 averaged twenty five, five and five on a team that 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:19.400 had a winning percentage of eight hundred or better. I 0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:21.840 think the Suns are a little under eight hundred, and 0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.960 he's averaging four point nine assists, so he could end 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:26.799 up being the tenth, but he's right there to be 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:29.640 the tenth player. Ever, eight of the previous nine guys 0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:32.200 that have done that have one MVP. Look Book is 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:37.279 a deserving MVP. In any other year, he's probably the MVP. 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:43.520 The problem is the three most dominant players have had 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:49.880 historical seasons in Janie mbid and historical you know, the 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:53.160 numbers don't lie, and book is going to get hurt 0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:57.280 because of advanced stats. That's just a reality. He's third 0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.480 on his team in winshields. Mcel Bridges has more win 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:03.239 shares than Devin Booker. That's just how analytics work. And 0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:06.359 more than enough voters now factor in analytics. So when 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:09.240 you talk about analytics, well, then the clear guys Yokich, 0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:15.160 when you talk about narrative, it's probably embed and you 0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:21.120 talk about you know more, I test in moments right 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:25.680 now it feels like it's Yannis I test and the 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:27.680 last two three weeks of the season when you talk 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:31.840 about those moments, those MVP moments, that that three against 0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:36.480 the nets, whatever it may be, it's probably Yannis. I 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:41.560 tend to land on today, whatever it's, you know, Thursday, 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:46.200 the seventh of April. I tend to land on a 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:51.080 fluctuation between Yokich and Yannis for MVP, and it sucks 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:54.680 because there's like, there's legitimately four guys that should be MVP. 0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:59.680 How many it takes when you did the State Farm 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.520 commerce and you're the mad professor talking to the coffee 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.960 pot for people that have seen that, it's very good, 0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:10.480 by the way, how many takes did you need? We 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:15.520 filmed a bunch of different lines. I had about ten 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:20.360 or twelve lines, and then we filmed all of the 0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:24.600 lines at three different camera angles, so there were probably 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:28.200 forty or fifty takes total. The other thing to note 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.879 is in the video in the final cut, I should 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:35.840 say in the final commercial there's a there's about an 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:40.279 inch left of coffee in that coffee pot. Well, I 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:43.760 spent about twenty minutes doing takes where instead of talking 0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.960 to the coffee pot, I would chug the coffee. So 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.640 that was my second pot of coffee that I was 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:53.200 on and it was lukewarm coffee. It was room temp coffee. 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:58.480 But look, I was just my I didn't look at 0:47:58.480 --> 0:47:59.840 the call sheet till I got in the car to 0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:01.960 It was a busy week. We had Draymond in San 0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:04.600 Francisco that week. I flew to LA. I did NBA 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:06.600 to Day on Tuesday, at NBA to Day on Wednesday, 0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:08.719 and I and I was set to go film the 0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:12.480 commercial right after my second day at NBA to Day, 0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:14.080 so I did not have time to look at the 0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:15.800 call sheet. And I looked at the call sheet on 0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:18.080 the five minute right over to where we were shooting 0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:21.719 the commercial, and it's like, I'm by the way, my 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.400 hair's done, I've got you know, I've got my makeup. 0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:28.359 My groomer came, I got my makeup done. I'm wearing 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:31.560 a great suit, just looking looking like I'm ready for 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:34.080 a photo shoot. And I read the call sheet. It's 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:39.160 like JJ is manic. He's he's disheveled, his shirts unbuttoned, 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:42.640 his hair's messed up. We're gonna draw black circles under 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:44.640 his eyes. I'm like, oh God, I did not know 0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:46.400 any of this. So there's this moment I'm like, do 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:49.200 I just I just gotta lean in. I just gotta 0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:51.640 lean into the crazy guy. And I went for it. 0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:53.960 You really had to act because that's not you, like, 0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.919 it's the anti Jake. No, no, it's not me at all. 0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:03.000 But I thought, you know, the the director was he 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:06.400 had the same voice and laugh as Charlie Day from 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.680 Uh It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. And there's that gift 0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:13.120 of Charlie Day with the board where he's like pointing 0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:16.440 the thing, and I was like, that's that's my inspo, 0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:20.560 Charlie Day. I'm going for that, all right. Last one 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:24.760 had during the football season, Carson Palmer and Drew Stanton 0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:28.200 on the podcast together. They were both together here with 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:31.720 the Cardinals at the same time. And asked them towards 0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:34.400 the end, because they're big wine guys, as are you. 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:36.640 And I asked them towards the end, okay, for people 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:39.600 that are listening that maybe you know, don't want to, 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:42.440 you know, spend a thousand dollars on a bottle of wine, 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:46.080 give me some good value buys. And I think Carson 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:49.120 threw out like opus one. I'm like, that's not people lessening, 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:52.600 They're not going to that's that doesn't qualify. I don't 0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:54.560 know if you've got anything, because you I know you're 0:49:54.960 --> 0:50:00.000 white Burgundy, red Burgundy guy, which you'll but you'll drink anything, right, 0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:04.480 But I know you have some particulars I do, I do, um, 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:11.239 So I'll say this Alborino. It's a native to Portugal, 0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:16.560 but in northwest Spain. It's called Alberino in Spain. Alvarino 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:20.720 in Portugal, but in northwest Spain, Alberino is a white wine. 0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:25.200 Good Alberino, like high level Alberino, is under thirty bucks, 0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:29.000 and you can find good bottles for fifteen to twenty bucks. 0:50:30.440 --> 0:50:33.200 That's that's to me, is like an ultimate value to 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:36.399 sit by the pool. Um, maybe you're gonna go grab 0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:41.359 some Moisters bottle Alborino phenomenal in red wine. I think 0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:45.960 one of the greatest values is Brunello de Montecino. And 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:51.640 you can find phenomenal producers in great years for fifty 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:53.560 bucks fifty five bucks. Look, I know for a lot 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:57.520 of people that's insane for a bottle of wine. Well, 0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:03.680 let me tell you about Burgundy. And look, there's a 0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:07.799 bunch of people that ask me for wine recommendations. To me, 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:11.520 the best place to start in Burgundy because that's what 0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:14.600 I collect. That's what ultimately if I'm going to spend 0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:17.480 money on wine and I and I have a collection, 0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:19.200 you know, I have a seller all that stuff. But 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:21.960 when I say I'm gonna buy and I'm gonna spend 0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:24.759 my hard earned money on wine, I'm going to spend 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:27.080 it on Burgundy. That to me is the greatest wine 0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:28.719 in the world. I love red Burgundy, which is made 0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:31.000 from pino, and I love white Burgundy, which is made 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:33.120 from chardonnay. And a lot of people say I don't. 0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:35.560 I don't like pinot, I don't like Chardonnay. That's because 0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:38.560 you're drinking swill made in America. All right, you're drinking swill. 0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:42.200 You're drinking mass produced swill. But the best value to 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:45.480 me in Burgundy is there's four classifications of Burgundy. There's 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:48.839 a grind crew, which is you know, expensive at every level, 0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:52.040 premiere crew, where you can find some decent deals. And 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:54.560 then there's village and regional. And so if you see 0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:57.600 borgone on a bottle, that is a regional that is 0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:00.279 the fourth sort of bottom tier. If you go up 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:04.120 one level to a village level red or a village 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:07.160 level white made by a great producer. You can find 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:11.040 phenomenal wine in the like eighty to ninety range. Again, 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:13.880 I know that's crazy, but if you can find like 0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:17.600 a furry A or you know lair Wag, which is 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:20.120 you know their grond crews go for thousands of dollars, 0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:24.880 she skirts the rules and when she makes her village 0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:31.600 level and regional white burgundy, she takes the leftover grapes 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:34.040 from the ground crew and premier sights and she mixes 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.399 it in. She's not technically allowed to do that, but 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:40.520 she sort of runs Burgundy and and that so that 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:43.359 to me is like the ultimate value. It tastes like 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:45.160 a five hundred dollars bottle of wine and you spend 0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:48.440 eighty bucks. Well, it's certainly more in depth than we 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:53.040 got from Carson. Appreciate it man, Thanks so much, JJ 0:52:53.200 --> 0:53:01.920 for doing this. Always fun, great stuff from JJ talking 0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:06.680 about his relationship with Mike Shashevski, how coach K helped 0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:10.400 JJ turn his life around at Duke and how that 0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:16.040 translated into a lengthy NBA career and now a successful 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:20.880 new life as a podcaster and broadcaster. We are presented 0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:23.480 by Ben MGM, the official sports betting partner of the 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:27.400 Arizona Cardinals and by Hila River Hotels and Casinos. We 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:30.759 will get back into the football space next week. On 0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:34.239 the Dave Pash Podcast, we talk with Daniel Jeremiah from 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:37.759 NFL Media. He's also the radio analyst for the Los 0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:41.080 Angeles Chargers. We'll talk about the offseason for the Arizona 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.760 Cardinals so far and look ahead of the twenty twenty 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:47.759 two NFL Draft. Thanks again at jj Reddick, and thanks 0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:49.640 to you for listening to another edition of the Dave 0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:50.480 Pash Podcast.